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If you could tell us your name and your occupation, your work title, and what type of work you've been doing lately, and over the years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=3602.0,3617.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My name is Victor Castillo here from McAllen, and currently doing some freelance work for Mondo, Fox and ODBC. On.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=3617.0,3625.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Great. And could you tell us a little bit about your educational background, and then your age?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=3625.0,3632.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"About 42 years old, and education, my education background is engineering, actually. And but I begin doing communications work news reporting, written radio, television, and did a little bit of print. And mostly just focusing on border issues, national security, drug trafficking, human trafficking, human smuggling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=3632.0,3664.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you, if you could tell us a little bit about how you're at the number of years you've worked in the field, about 11 years, seven years. And if you could tell us a little bit about what drew you to journalism along the border?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=3664.0,3679.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, my parents are from Mexico. Me, my oldest sister and my youngest sister were born in the US. My family moved to Illinois. And we lived there, I went to high school college there. But I came back as soon as I finished college, my parents were still living in Illinois. I started working in the manufacturing industry, initially, that was what I studied, went to school for him. But a friend of mine, invited me to, to his radio station in and start learning how radio works. And that's where I first got introduced into news because there were some set new segments that needed to be done. And so I began just liking news. But in particular, what drew me to covering immigration issues and other stuff was, when I learned about a friend of mine from Honduras, there's a female friend of mine, who was raped when she was crossing the state of Chiapas in Mexico, as an undocumented immigrant coming to the US. And that just began opening my eyes to the situation that they go through. And that's why when I began just investigating a little more, getting familiarized more with immigration, and all the other border issues,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=3679.0,3770.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"thank you, if you could tell us a little bit about your work along the border. And so this is a document of border project, looking, maybe looking back to when you first started reporting along the border and to the maybe to the present, just to give us a sense of how it may or may not have changed. For a journalist like yourself,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=3770.0,3789.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's changed the for US authorities, it's changed for Mexican authorities, it's changed for migrants themselves. on the US side of four federal agencies. I recall, when I begin covering news that they were more open, they would allow you to do more ride alongs with them, you could actually just walk up to the edge of the river and just be there or be under a port of entry. Very open you. You didn't necessarily have to ask for permission to be there. It was very, very open at any time. If I needed to do a stand up bridge or a stand up out for my news package for TV, I could just go there and do it. Throughout time, you know, things got tighter, especially after 911. And but nowadays, it's even harder to get there. There are many landing areas like this morning, I was visiting to landing areas where migrants cross. But because I know some of the areas I know where to go. I did come across with several border patrol units, one of them even drove right behind me to grab my license plates. I mean, they don't see me with a uniform or anything, but they see me with a camera but everything to them is suspicious now. So that's why more than likely he wrote down my license plate and just reported it. So it's getting Yeah, it's much different from when I begin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=3789.0,3887.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And more recently in the last you were telling us about some of the projects that you worked on in the last month or so I don't know if you want to talk at all about little about some of the challenges with the work that you You've done in the in the recent time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=3887.0,3903.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"most recent time is covering these mothers with with my with their children and minors, unaccompanied minors coming from Central America. Most recent work was getting across the border going totally no sir state of Tamaulipas and visiting shelters there migrant shelters, and just doing a little bit of walking and filming along the river, along the Rio Grande. That Mexican side also has changed. I mentioned that a little while ago for US news reporters. Before he was again, same thing very open, you could walk up to the edge of the river and riverbanks and, and and you had no problems, no issues. Now. There's a lot of scouts, people that work for the criminal organizations, and anything that is happening, anyone who's approaching riverbank lending areas, they begin reporting, you know, and then all of a sudden you have people coming in approaching you, you know, who are you what are you doing, or it could get, it could escalate, you know, just depending on what you're doing and who's there. So things have changed on the Mexican side. That recent work, visiting a, an immigrant shelter, that get lip tents at one point where when we took a 14 year old, Honduran out of the shelter, so we could do some filming outside the shelter. If we're inside the shelter, were quote, unquote, getting the safe, you know, but you never know there might be somebody infiltrated, you never know. But it got a little tense when we went to the main square Plaza. And then you begin seeing people looking at us following us. And we just got out of there soon, because we knew that they were looking at is people talking on walkie talkies in radio? Who are those guys? You know, what are they doing? You know, filming? What Are they filming? Who are they? Even the bad guys get nervous? When people from out of town are visiting? What are they doing here? Who are they, you know, they may think is just another undercover agent, you never know. So we got to get out of there. As soon as we could. We got away, driving as fast as we could, turning No, just about every corner, so we could just get away. So you got a little utensil. So that wasn't like it wasn't like that, you know, 10 years ago. So things have changed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=3903.0,4074.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"With us people armed whoever the people who were watching him on the plaza,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4074.0,4080.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one of them. But it was not like open in the public. It was he was inside the vehicle.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4080.0,4089.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Any other challenges that you can see for either us or Mexican journalists covering northern Mexico.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4089.0,4097.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The challenge is reporting or not reporting. That's the biggest challenge. Somehow we reporters on the US side are in a safer place. It's not the safest, or it's not. It's not 100% safe. Because in this area along the border, you have criminal organizations on both sides of the border, and they work for each other or their partnership. But if you have a sense of more security, and safety on the US side, but being on the Mexican side, it's a whole different ballgame. You may go in but you don't know if you're coming out. You know? It's it's dangerous centers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4097.0,4149.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So some of the precautions that you take when you report over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4149.0,4153.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"When you go to Mexico you need to be low key. I mean, don't drive a nice vehicle. Don't draw the attention to you. You know, just be as normal as you can be if you have an old car drive that old car beater, you know, just try to just blend in as much as you can. If you have a white guy, tall guy, I mean everybody just will notice you know it's just don't draw attention. Do not trust people. Don't trust the known. Just know one because you never know Anyone can be working for the criminal organizations, evens, taxi cab drivers. Those who are watching your cars in parking lots or long curbs, they call him watch a Carlos. Is this what they call them? They could be a scout, you know, you just don't trust anybody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4153.0,4224.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you. Can you tell us a little bit about how it may be different as a US based journalist working who's based along the border versus cover, you know, covering northern Mexico versus someone say, coming from New York or Miami or LA, and reporting here, even if they're reporting with say, you know, on a team with you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4224.0,4245.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, that's a very good point, because you may have people coming from DC, New York, Miami, Chicago, Houston, Dallas, they don't know the area, the only way that they're gonna get their job done is by relying depending on someone who's from here, who knows the area who knows, both the US and the Mexican side. A little while ago, I bumped it, some bumped into a guy from Netherlands based out of New York, and he didn't pretty much know where to go. And the approach me your, you know, journalist reporter in said, Yeah, and we just began the conversation, he was telling me what, why he was here. And it was about this surge of migrant unaccompanied, minor, migrant kids and mothers. So I offered Yeah, if you, as a matter of fact, I'm heading over to the river to continue filming. And if you want to come and see that you said, Yeah, sure. Can I follow you? Yes. So those who come from the interior will need someone's help here to get the story done. The big difference is that they may write anything, you know. But the guy who is guiding them here locally stays here. So depending on what they write, you know, if the risk or the danger stays with the one who lives here, you know, I don't know if maybe that answers some of the question","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4245.0,4334.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"does, have you or your colleagues who have covered the border, the northern border, or this side of the border has faced any threats? You know, and how have you dealt with those?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4334.0,4348.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I am familiar with a few, not many who have been threatened. Now, I'm not aware, I know most of journalism, journalists here on the side are reporters. But don't I can only maybe count maybe two, Max three, maybe it had been threatened. But those who get threatened when they start mentioning specific names of these cartel members, or, you know, when they begin naming in their stories, these people, that's when, you know, they could receive some threats. I have always been careful in when I tell my stories, to not not mention names. Unless it's coming from an official source, then that's different. Because you're attributing, attributing that to a specific new source, whether it be us or Mexico.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4348.0,4403.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We've heard that practice in Mexico and in the US is that, and how does how, why is that? Would that protect journalists to use sources when identifying, you know, official sources versus unofficial?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4403.0,4422.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, unofficial, I mean, as generalists we don't, we're not supposed to run anything unofficial, you know? That's right. I mean, you both professors, and you know, veteran, you probably teach journalism students that always started have source. And on the on the US side, TV stations or newspapers, or even radio, any news director will ask and make sure that you always have a new source attributing even if it's a picture, a mugshot that you're going to put on TV. Source it, you know, if it's coming from the Dalgo County Sheriff's Office, or from McAllen PD, always source it because of legal issues, you know. So,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4422.0,4471.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"for example, as it would his school teacher than could wouldn't be considered as an official source if he or she gave his or her name.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4471.0,4478.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Right. And when I say specific, we're talking about drug trafficking, human smuggling and all that human trafficking. The sources that department, that agency, or government agency, it would have to come from them on know some type of press release or email in electronic format. But those who do not source it, more than likely are grabbing information from social media. And as we know, social media may not be as accurate. Yes, this violence in Mexico is now having citizens reporting. But you never know if that's true or not, you know, most of the time when when the social people are talking on social media, about maybe a shootout or maybe somebody got killed, a cartel member get killed or anything more than likely, you know? I mean, I'll just shout it to you know, I'll just shout it, unless it comes from an official source.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4478.0,4551.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you, in terms of sort of the journalism community on this side, or both sides of the border? Over the years, have you seen that journalist help one another? And or are there any organizations that that journalists belong to, that's that offer a support network, like maybe in some other parts of the border,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4551.0,4574.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I'm not familiar with in any particular group here, there has been attempts to make some chapters of a some type of national association of journalism. But I have not seen him as as active as I wish, you know, that it would be. At one point I was member of one of those chapters, but I just didn't see like something I would get a benefit out of it, you know, more than a social mixer or anything like that. If I'm interested in in associations that really educate, train, and also train those that are coming behind us, you know, university students or interested in communications. That's where I would be interested in participating if it's about helping others about sharing knowledge about sharing experiences. That's the type of association that I would be more interested in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4574.0,4633.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you see yours? Do you see that as something that would be useful then here or in the community? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4633.0,4642.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"the border center for journalists and bloggers is about to start here. And I already have a Facebook page. And I already have a website. And I'm hoping that I, if it's even a low scale, a little bit, budget be just made available for anyone who may need some assistance or some guidance, some work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4642.0,4669.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"URL you haven't already Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4669.0,4672.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's it's already available. And just on Facebook, just put boater center for journalism, and blog, journalists and bloggers, bloggers, and it'll take you to the Facebook page. And the website is basically just the initials border center for generalist and blogger, so just initials.com or.net I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4672.0,4695.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So journalists along in this region, some of them have seen some pretty horrific things. And I'm sure you have you either you have or you have colleagues who have, do you want to talk at all about how some of these gruesome acts may have affected you or your colleagues","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4695.0,4717.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"some something that has occurred against them,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4717.0,4720.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"or more. So the sort of all of the violence over the years, so going to crime scenes that are, you know, that are fairly massive and constantly reporting on that sort of thing. You may not have done that type of work, because because that tends, you know, sometimes it's daily work, that that you maybe you're looking at bigger projects, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4720.0,4744.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"on the US side, if the if it's a crime scene, more than likely we're not going to be allowed in on the US side. On the Mexican side. We used to be right in front of the action. Recall going on to the Mexican side, whether the drug bust I mean, we would go inside the homes, these houses where people get busted in drugs and weapons, whatever it might be. Also, even during crime, let's say after a showdown, you know, maybe between authorities and cartels or or even between groups, you know, we were we used to be allowed to get as close as we can, as close to the bodies you know, as close to the vehicles on fire as close to just the whole crime scene nowadays is is not as it used to. I mean, I have a lot of footage where we get that close, get that close, but nowadays is not as accessible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4744.0,4811.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is it your sense? Or has that affected you sort of internally at all or, or not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4811.0,4819.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Now, though, I guess, as journalists reporters, once you see that first, maybe have the second and third experience, then just begin seeing things as I mean, this is your job. This is what you're reporting to the community informing the community informing the community about, I do recall, getting to crime scenes, and a photographer, maybe not wanting to film that wanting to do that, because they were not used to seeing bodies and things like that. So I grabbed the camera and begin filming myself. But some, it varies from person to person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4819.0,4865.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"With with all the challenges in reporting, some in some of these areas along the border, you know, we were just noticing that there's a lot of resilience among journalists, and in some cases, where people, you know, keep working hard. And when we were wondering, are there any qualities that you think peep individuals have? Or what do you think it keeps people going?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4865.0,4889.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Passion for? What do you do? It's about passion. It's about just what you like, it's about informing your community making sure they know, I think it's, that's what drives people doing this work. You know, I left, you know, doing this work, after I had some incidents, some threads. And now, three years later, I'm trying to get back in again. But it's, I don't know, just, I think it's just the passion of doing it, liking it. I began doing this again, recently. And I see that it's just what I'd like, you know, it's just what I like doing. And just feeling again, the rush the adrenaline about capturing the moment, the the action and the reaction of things happening. Getting that on camera and getting that on audio, and just telling the story, meeting people. I mean, I think that's just what drives me. I hope that's maybe that what drives others. But if it's about the best interest of the community, rather than having just a name, rather than just Oh, me here on TV, or me here on getting my name on the paper or, or who gets the top story, then we might be in the wrong path. You know, it's about just the the media outlet that you work for, about the product that you you're part of, if it's a 5pm 10pm newscast, it's about those 30 minutes that you're taking your viewers away from their private lives to sitting on tape on on a couch and watching your TV station, your newscast. So it's about that product being the best, not yourself being the best, you know, it's I think that's what it's all about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=4889.0,5019.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you. Looking ahead a couple of years, do you have any sense of what it may be like reporting on what are your thoughts about what the future holds for reporting along the border,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=5019.0,5032.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's a you cannot predict it. You cannot predict what's going to happen here in the next few years. The only thing I can predict is that violence is not going to go away. Drug trafficking, drug trafficking is not going to go away. Human trafficking is not going to go away. Human smuggling is not going to go away. More than likely the US is going to increase more border security. And we're gonna have more stories to tell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=5032.0,5065.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I I'm curious about your sort of personal side of you having grown up pretty much on both sides of the border as a as a voluntary so and how that border identity plays into your ability to cover the region.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=5065.0,5083.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think it was very important that I grew up in it and live until I was 13. In Mexico in particular. I lived in Reynosa. So I know the area. I know the city. I know where to go where not to go And just having that knowledge has helped me a lot. I mean, if, if you're interested in going now I take you there now, I just feel that confident going there. Others may not, you know, for example, other colleagues who worked for a local newspaper, you know, he might may feel more comfortable going to my tomatoes, because he's from there, you know, but he may not be as familiar to Rennaissance, he, he'll probably stay away from Reynosa number, he'll go to my tomatoes and, and he'll have enough stories over there anyways. But I think that played something a big role in facilitating me doing news reporting in this area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=5083.0,5148.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Anything else you wanted to share that we didn't cover?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=5148.0,5152.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, I guess the only thing I have in mind at this moment is that that there are very few job positions, I guess in in the news industry. I see a lot of people still going to university for journalism, which is good. The there studying Communications, which is good. But in local TV stations, or even radio or print there, I don't see a lot of job positions, I wish that there will be more, I wish that there will be better pay. And also, because especially in this area, where we live is not very well paid. The salaries are are not that great. To make more money, you would have to move out of this area. Just wish that maybe that would change. But that's why probably I've seen that many come here. Because there's there are plenty of news. And now you have some of the reporters might pass colleagues now working for large networks. Now, because they've gained experience here. They came here, they learned the ropes. They learned about the border, they got a better job. And as a matter of fact, last night, I was online and found one of my former colleagues that when doing this story about the border, he is now an international network news network. And he was a he was sent here because he knew the area. So I see just a lot of rotation, people working here and then print Radio TV, just coming here learning and then find a better job somewhere else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=5152.0,5265.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706/transcript/41744/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you so much. That was great. My pleasure. Thank you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86433/file/174706#t=5265.0,1671.432"}]}]}]}