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Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3603.0,3604.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"so I want to thank you very much for, for participating in this research if you could tell us your name and your occupation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3604.0,3612.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"My name is Tim Gutierrez and I'm the main anchor and managing editor at K. GNS TV, the NBC affiliate in Laredo, Texas. We're also the Telemundo station here and also the CW.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3612.0,3625.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you tell us a little bit about your your educational background?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3625.0,3629.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I have a master's in journalism out of the University of New Mexico. And then I have a bachelor's and in radio and television communications out of eastern New Mexico University that's in a small town in Portales, New Mexico, on the eastern side of the state, been in broadcasting now going on 28 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3629.0,3648.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And so you're and your age,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3648.0,3652.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"my age 48.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3652.0,3655.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you tell us a little bit about how you got involved in journalism?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3655.0,3659.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, at the age of 14, and it was kind of allowed back then, I got into radio into Spanish radio, actually, in my hometown. I had lived in Bolivia, a couple of years had learned Spanish fairly fluently. And I had the opportunity to get into into Spanish radio. So I was a DJ, you know, throughout my high school years, my four high school years, so so it's kind of cool. So it kind of gotten in my blood a little bit the communication bug.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3659.0,3686.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's see. So can you talk a little bit about some of the greatest challenges for you or your journalism colleagues here in town or across the border, just because the location,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3686.0,3698.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"one of the biggest challenges, and it's a challenge that's come about in the last I would have to say the last five years, is getting any information out of from across the border. Journalists right now are very scared. And they have been for about five, six years now to talk about what's going on over there as far as cartel violence, and bloodshed and so forth. So that's probably one of the biggest challenges. We're probably one of the only stations that still does some of the news about what's going on over there. But we've had to rely on on on different things, for instance, you know, websites and confirmation through anonymous sources and so forth, in order to get that information.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3698.0,3741.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How would you assess the quality of journalism? In reporting, given these constraints? Regarding northern Mexico,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3741.0,3750.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it's it's very tough, because the news coverage is very spotty as to what's going on there. With so many journalists in Mexico afraid for their lives, you know, a good percentage that have been picked up live on Dallas, they've been taken around the block by cartel members, and told you bet you can only report what we tell you. You can. It's been very tough to get the information. Many of the, you know, radio stations, television stations, newspapers across the border, have resorted to just kind of happy news. And even in the last a couple of years reporting what's going on in Laredo, because there's, you know, they can't report very much that's going on over there. So they are doing Yeah, they've come across. They're they're reporting murders here, which they never used to do in the past. They're they're going to Commissioner's court, city council, that kind of stuff. They're actually having to come across the border to get enough news to fill their newspaper or, or their broadcasts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3750.0,3814.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In terms of violence, and it's sort of how it's changed journalism practice along this area. Can you talk just a little bit about a little bit more if I don't know if there's anything else you wanted to add to what you mentioned? Do you do you have staff here who do regularly monitor? Let me know I will say though,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3814.0,3836.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"we actually have a couple of stringers that are across the river. And so they actually know what's going on there. The percentage that they can actual report is another thing and many times they tell us this is happening. It didn't come from me you're gonna have to get an independent source to tell you that this happened because, you know, our life has already been threatened. We've been called by these cartel members and and told not to report this so we do know exactly what's going on across the border. We can only report a percentage just what we can actually, you know, confirm to get on the air. That's, that's helpful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3836.0,3883.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How would you evaluate your news organizations independence regarding coverage of Mexico, do you feel are there any pressures here in town to report or not report anything over there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3883.0,3899.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You know, there, there really isn't, I know, a competing station, which in this case in the Laredo area, which is kind of a small city and growing but small city, the Univision station reports very little of what's going on in Mexico because they feel directly threatened by that, as the NBC affiliate over the years, we've we we've made it, you know, part of our business to report what's going on across the border, because we feel it's important because people may go across the border feeling that they're safe. And they're really not. It's, it's gotten safer in the last, you know, a year and a half or so. But it's really not all that safe to go across into new level that elbow. So so we we feel it's our duty to report when we can, again, getting confirmation is tough, we have our sources that will help out. But even they in some instances don't want to touch certain, you know, content matter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3899.0,3953.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How about in even How about local officials? We've heard some times if local officials are aware of something that may have gone on in northern Mexico, they're not always comfortable talking to reporters about it. Have you had any difficulty that way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3953.0,3967.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, well, they they feel threatened just like the reporters here if you know, if it's something very sensitive, you know, that not to talk to the media unless the media acid asks that direct question. So they may know a lot of things that are going on, but they won't touch it, they won't volunteer that information to the media, because they're also threatened. They know that, you know, it's very easy to come across that imaginary line, which you know, is the river and income to this side and harm them. If they do talk about what's going on in Mexico.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3967.0,3997.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Have there been any threats to any of the individuals here at this station.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=3997.0,4002.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"There's there's been threats over the years, I think the last threat, I think came to me when they they actually sent an electron scorpion. That was about a year and a half ago, I think it was around the time, that ice age and Jaime Zapata was killed in Mexico. He was he was from Laredo, he was stationed out of here. What happened around that time is the set the cartel was getting a lot of heat. In fact, you know, all the federal agencies were throwing out, set those back into Mexico, if they had any affiliation, because it really upset you know, the Feds here in this country. So ICE agents, border patrol, US Customs, FBI, DEA, they all went after the settlers in this country. And if you had any affiliation, you were immediately transported across the border. So when we were starting to report about their I received in the mail, and I can I'm kind of in case, Scorpion, which is the symbol of of the cartel across in Mexico. And then I received a series of calls that were very, you know, non distinct in nature. But the saying don't report any more on the set does don't don't do that anymore. That's not a good thing for you. That went away after a couple of weeks. And then I never heard anything after that. But that was about the extent of that threat. And that was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4002.0,4084.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"your station that was your call authorities when something like that happens.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4084.0,4091.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In this case, we called authorities just so they know. But you know, we continued reporting what was going on? I didn't feel it was a huge threat. I think the call was coming from the interior of Mexico, but you never know. You never know they have they have you know, affiliates. And they have members that are on this side of the border. So you never know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4091.0,4111.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Are there any precautions that you all are taking to with regard to safety or security related to those sorts of threats?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4111.0,4121.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, we've been owned by a number of station conglomerates, you know, over the years, and for about the last three, four years, we're not allowed to go across the border anymore as reporters as producers as anchors, just as a precaution. And so that's kind of a sad thing. Because myself I used to go across all the time. And and you're you're not only discouraged, you're you're told you cannot go across as part of work, going by yourself as another thing, but as part of work, you know, they don't want to cover what whatever might happen if if something does indeed happen. That's helpful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4121.0,4158.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can I just what's your personal reaction to that? Because obviously, you know, as a reporter, you like to be in a location where there's a story happening and having to rely on other people to get that information for you. You're not seeing it firsthand is these ethical questions come to mind or do you do you, you know, discuss them at any point in your organization?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4158.0,4181.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We do discuss them. Personally, I wouldn't mind going across the border and reporting but we've been told, you know, from, from the owners and from our bosses that it's something that's been discouraged just because of liability purposes. I don't I don't feel that going across the border is day dangerous if you do it during certain hours of the day, of course, if you go at 2am 4am, you're you're asking for trouble. But during the day, I think it's you're fairly safe. You never know. But I think you're fairly safe. But yeah, it's it's kind of, it's kind of tied our hands behind our backs a little bit, because we're not able to go across and, you know, report firsthand what's going on there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4181.0,4220.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And then how does that come up? Like during budget meetings or discussions within the your news organization?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4220.0,4226.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's, it's it's only been said in so many words that, you know, we discourage you going across during work hours, and we won't take on the liability that would that it would have, if such should something happen. So it's, it's, it's discussed about that much, and then they move on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4226.0,4244.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you have you known we've been talking to journalists in different cities on both sides of the border and gender has come up a few times in this area have is Have you all noticed that it's any easier or harder to be a male or female when reporting in northern Mexico?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4244.0,4262.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know if it's, it's any more difficult. I think the the more recent cases of journalists that have had been killed one just across our border in Northern Ireland. No, that was she was a reporter that did stuff on the internet and on radio, she was a female. But I don't know if it's any more difficult for for for either gender. Specifically, I couldn't really comment on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4262.0,4285.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you. What how do you think what has sustained journalists like yourself or others who are in the heat of things? Hey, you know, that report in northern Mexico and there must be a certain degree of resilience? We, you know, from the outside, it looks like resilience, do you know what sustains people or keeps them working in the field?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4285.0,4306.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I think I think we we have a duty and an honor to to report what's going on there. And as I was saying earlier, we're probably the only station in Laredo right now. That's actually reporting what's going on over there firsthand. The newspaper does a fairly good job, but they've they've shied away from, from certain certain stories in the past. But I think it's, you know, it's part of our duty to tell people what's going on there. I've talked to people that have told me, I guess things are okay. And we can we could go across and, and go and party across it too in the morning. And I tell them no, absolutely not. You know, the, the whole idea of getting kidnapping is becoming second nature. And in Mexico now and especially on on the northern border, a lot of these cartels are resorting to more kidnapping, because some of their drug lords are not making it to the United States. Because, you know, you know, the United States government and the Mexican government has had a deal of success in in stopping what they're doing with drugs. So now they're resorting to other things like kidnapping, and especially Express kidnappings, which are are kidnappings that are done for just a couple $1,000 or, you know, instead of trying to get you know, 100,000 or a million dollars, and they're taking anybody and they're they're making them sell their car or sell their house or or borrow money from their loved ones. And that's happening a lot along the northern border. So that's why I think it's still very, very risky and very dangerous.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4306.0,4393.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What is your sense of the future for reporting in in Mexico, northern Mexico, do you have any sense of tape for journalists like yourself in in northern or southern border towns, I should say us?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4393.0,4407.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I was encouraged somewhat that ensue that what is the the journalists that went through this this horrible time of about two years where there was 1000s of murders, that they're able to, they're actually starting to report on what's going on there on a more frequent basis. And it seems like the journalists in in Matamoros are also doing the same. So journalists are starting to come back and report a little bit about what's what's going on. The other thing is, newspapers and radio stations and television stations in northern Mexico. They've they've tended to now report on what's going on in other cities. In other words, if you're in northern Idaho, you can report on what's going Andre Nelson Mata models, but you don't report on what's going on in your own backyard. If you're in Mata models, you don't report about what's going on in my tomatoes, but you you tell them well, also in the same state of Tamaulipas, Lindley, Nelson, and Wellborn and all these other things are happening and so, so they're resorting to that there actually are reporting on what's going on just not what's going on in their backyard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4407.0,4474.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So So are there do journalists notify one another engage one another news tips is that how they they report in other towns or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4474.0,4485.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"it seems like that's the way it's happening because I've had calls actually from from journalists in other Mexican cities like Mata models that will call the station you know, like it's they look up the first station they see and the last what's going on and well at EVO, and, you know, no one's telling us what's going on. They're and so we tell them what's going on. They do a little research and then they'll they'll after doing the research, they'll they'll print what's going on there. So there's kind of this this network, I guess, of journalists now that are are starting to report of what's going on, but not in their exact location.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4485.0,4517.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Is that happening transnational way? So I think you're saying it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4517.0,4521.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It is. It is. It's and it's a, it's a trend that I've seen maybe for a little under a year now that that's been happening. So you open up a paper and wobble at EVO and you're in you're seeing, you know, inlay Nasai just a few miles away this happen in Matamoros has happened in Monterrey this happened. So they're reporting what's going on there, in those distinct cities are not saying exactly what's going on, because they're threatened by the cartels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4521.0,4544.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And those are local reporters who are not like an AP story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4544.0,4548.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Exactly. Those are local reporters that are actually doing that. Yeah. So they're having to fill their papers with something and their and their newscasts. So that's what they're doing it with. So it's the words actually getting out there to a certain degree,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4548.0,4558.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"do you think that's a collective conscious effort? Or is it just sort of happening?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4558.0,4565.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I don't know. It may be that you have to sell some newspapers. So you have to put something in there. So I it, it could be a little bit more of that than actually a conscious effort. But I couldn't say that. I think it's it's more about selling newspapers and ads.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4565.0,4579.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I wonder if it's empowering. I don't know, to be able to report on something like that in another town?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4579.0,4586.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think so because you can't report about what's going on in your own town. So at least you're getting out the information that's happening in in a town near you. So I think that groups doing that as well, broadcast groups are doing that exactly as well. I've seen some newscasts in different parts of Mexico. And they're doing that to that same thing. I was recently in the valley, and I saw a newscast out of Reynosa. And they were talking about stuff inaudible and no, they were they were not talking about at all I was I, in fact, I was surprised by some of the things that I heard, because, you know, they they were actually doing some some good journalism, that that is not going on, because of the threat from the cartels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4586.0,4625.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Very interesting. Are there any other comments? Or do you have any, any, any things that you think we should have asked you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4625.0,4635.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That really, you know, the the question that we get asked on a regular basis? Is are things getting better in Mexico, and I think they are slowly, but very slowly. And I think the new president thing, and yet though, is is is, is is starting to move things in the right direction, as far as, as the people are believing they're in the right direction. And I think there's a chords being made between cartels, and so forth. And that's why the violence is starting to, you know, taper off a bit. But it's still a very violent place. I think, you know, Monterrey that for a long time was not violent, a few years ago, and it became a very violent place you can't go out to, to the markets late at night, are you without risking, you know, being hurt or killed. So I think Mexico has a long ways to go, but there is some progress being made in certain areas, and, and hopefully, you know, it would be nice to be able to return back to Mexico, it's a beautiful country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4635.0,4698.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I was just wondering, sort of, if you could give us the longer view of your career and what you've seen as a journalist covering this region, how it's sort of evolved over time and how your work has had to change along with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4698.0,4716.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think in speaking specifically about normal that lol I've covered to that whiteness as well. But speaking about whether or not it'll specifically when I came in 2000 there there were murders going on, you know, there was violence there. But families from from Laredo would on a regular basis go out to have dinner and normal No, they would go out to the bars. It was it was fairly safe that change drastically in 2005 2006 when we started seeing a lot of kidnappings, a lot of bloodshed on the streets. And you know, a very aggressive set the cartel specifically in New Haven at EVO other parts of the country as well, but specifically, in northern Idaho, the set has really changed the landscape, as far as you know, people being you know, safe and being able to go out on the streets and so forth. Even residents and all that no one will tell you that after after 10 o'clock at night, you you should not be on the streets at all because it is very dangerous. So I think in I don't know if that answer your question, but but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4716.0,4780.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"but is that how did that affect that, you know, the way you go about, you know, trying to cover news from the beginning to now","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4780.0,4788.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I think back in 2000 and even into 2005 2006 a little bit. We had stringers across and they send us video you know, some of it that we couldn't use obviously it was you know, bloody body or whatever. are, but we were seeing video, that video has ceased to exist, essentially, you cannot get video of any murder over there. And you know nothing like that is shown unless the cartel wants you to see it. Now, if the cartel wants you to see it, let's say, you know, the hangings that happened about two years ago, the cartel wanted to show the other cartel look, this is what's going to happen to you. So those, that video was very accessible, we got that video easy. But if they happen to kill one of their members, that video wasn't accessible anymore. So you know, that's kind of how it's changed. But video of the many murders and the kidnappings and, you know, the police parading some of the suspects, that is tough to come by these days, unless it's from another city, like I said, we get that from Matamoros. Reynosa to that Juarez or elsewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4788.0,4854.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And is that being controlled by government units or departments within the Mexican government or by cartels? Well, that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4854.0,4865.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"direct courts cartel calling, calling a journalist on on on his cell phone and saying Don't, don't run this video, or we saw you in that area who, you know, you never were, we're rolling on that video, you know, do not show it or else. So that's it's direct from that. The government, on the other hand, is, as you know, has tried to make it seem like it's safer because they've been losing lots of money. Tourists have not been going to Mexico anymore. Lots of shops have been closing down. So, you know, the Mexican government and almost every municipality has been that way has been saying that, you know, things are safe, but indeed they're they're not for the most case.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4865.0,4906.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I want to thank you so very much. Very valuable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4906.0,4909.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You're welcome. I hope that I hope I was able to help you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4909.0,4912.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689/transcript/41740/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"We appreciate your contribution. Thank you. That was great with you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86440/file/174689#t=4912.0,1317.816"}]}]}]}