{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/tt4fn1206h/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Lise Olsen"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/038/original/university-libraries-logo-2x.png?1711560609","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["Copyright The Arizona Board of Regents."]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["The Celeste Gonzalez de Bustamante and Jeannine E. 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In this research, I just wanted to ask you if you would introduce yourself and talk a little bit about your relationship to investigative reporters and editors. And then I just have a couple of demographics questions for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=0.0,19.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: My name is Lisa Olson, and I'm an investigative reporter at the Houston Chronicle. And for many years, I have been involved in border Mexico and immigration coverage. From 1996 to 98, I was the director of the Irie Mexico project, which set up a volunteer member organization with over 200 affiliated journalists from all over Latin America, but mainly Mexico. We did emigrate. We did conferences in different parts of Mexico and training. And I continued ever since that time to work with Mexican journalists, to develop training material to network to do investigative stories. I subsequently served on the board of ire in the United States, from 2007 to 2011. And both prior to during that time, and after I organized specific border reporting workshops, again, working with longtime Mexican colleagues to provide training and information to journalists who are trying to do investigative work on both sides of the border.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=20.0,90.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thanks very much. Wondering of just in terms of demographics, we have a question just about your education, asking you I think you've answered the question regarding yours in involved with Ira, but also the number of years you've been a journalist and, and you're in Houston right now. So we Houston, Texas, we have that. And then age is another question","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=91.0,114.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: here. I am 48 years old. And I've been a journalist. Since I was in college. I graduated from the University of Nebraska, you in Lincoln, in 1988. And even before I graduated, I had a job at the Lincoln Journal. And so I had been a journalist for over 25 years. And I have worked in Texas, Virginia, Washington State, and in Mexico as a journalist, specialized investigative reporting and data journalism. And, as I said, border immigration coverage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=115.0,162.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Great, thank you. Can you tell us a little bit about some of the factors that have led to your work with with investigative reporters and editors in in Mexico went along, particularly along the border, any specific critical events or issues that lead to say, for example, the workshops that you will get conducted?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=163.0,188.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes. When I was in Mexico, doing the Irie Mexico project from 96 to 98, it was a time of huge expansion and hope for democracy in Mexican journalism. There were lots of investigative reporting teams being set up and lots of investigative reporters doing great work, particularly in the north and the border states. And we had great response from journalists in all sorts of cities in the northern border. cluding Tijuana, Sierra Juarez, family bus, Nuevo Laredo, and also in St. Louis state in mo cheese, and kuliah con, these are areas that subsequently became the places where journalists were most threatened and attacked when the violence against journalists began to increase in the 2000s. So when I left Mexico in 1988, again, it was this period of of hope, expansion of escape reporting. There was great news in 2002, the Mexican government finally, with push from a lot of the people I'd worked for, worked with in Iran, Mexico, developed a Freedom of Information Act law, which allowed journalists all over the country to get data and do investigative reporting that was tougher, stronger, more and do more data journalism, too. But then in the aftermath of that, we started to see these attacks on journalists and journalists being targeted. So some of the when I moved back down to Texas after a couple of years up in Washington being away from border coverage, and joined the Houston Chronicle in 2003. I and some friends in Mexico including Leonardo Fei, yes, who is the founder under an organization called septet, which was also providing support to investigative reporters decided that we wanted to together put together some more workshops, specifically, not only to provide training and networking possibilities for border journalists, but also to support journalists who were already in 2003, particularly in Tamaulipas. And in level at eight, I was facing threats and attacks. So we organized a fairly large border conference that year in northern NATO. And the year we did that the person who was working on the local committee worked on Mora was murdered. And we went ahead and had that event anyway, not obviously right after he was murdered, but in the aftermath. And that became sort of a touchstone event for a lot of us in the border states that we gathered together physically and have stayed in touch. Since then, trying to in different ways continue to support each other. In the era, I think, that followed 2003, we're not only Robert De Mora and Francisco de Franco, who was an editor at sector, and to find out where both murdered, represented sort of a dividing line between what I considered to be a time of hope and expansion and missed investigative reporting, and border journalism. And then a time of retrenching and a time of fear and a time of trying to respond to what was an increasingly dangerous situation for investigative journalists, particularly on border states. And that ended up being the case for sense for this last 10 years. So this next phase of my work with journalists in Mexico, has really been partly responding to these threats. The conferences and events that we've done in IRA in the last four years or so, have mostly had to be on the US side, in part because even our Mexican journalist friends are saying, you know, it's really not a good idea for a bunch of investigative reporters to be gathered in the same place on the Mexican side. And the things things are approving now. But a lot of the the outreach I've done, has been more one on one and connecting people individually than meeting in Mexico itself, which is sad to me, I hope that things go back to the way they were and journalists don't have to worry about being killed. The way they still are now, unfortunately, although investigative journalism is going on all over Mexico, and there many people doing great work. Do you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=189.0,458.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: have a sense of how many workshops ire has done roughly between 2003? And sort of now along the border? Or maybe you could if you know, I know, that's kind of a tall order, if there are any highlights of cities and types of of outreach that that was done?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=459.0,479.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, there have been six, six major workshops on the border. And then one in Mexico City specifically sort of targeted to trying to support investigative reporting and journalist. There also had been to two ire national conferences that were near the border, where we brought in significant numbers of border Mexican journalists. And, you know, that I don't think has been enough. I wish we could have done more than that I was involved in in every single one of those. And I know that IRA is continuing to try to get funding to do more bilingual border journalism events. Each of these events we did were presented in both English and Spanish, although the national conferences, we did not provide translation. I wish we could have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=480.0,530.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: said those six workshops we're in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=531.0,535.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: They were in Tucson, Arizona. They were in El Paso. Two events in El Paso. They were in Nueva Laredo. There is an event that is planned but hasn't taken place yet. in McAllen. And they were in San Diego. And so that that's I think that's the list. And then, of course, there was one in Nuevo Laredo that I mentioned before. That was the last one that the IRS officially did in Mexico that was one to one in Mexico City was obviously in Mexico. And we invited Porter journalist to attend that perceive that as a safe place for everyone to gather from different parts of the country. But we have tried to plan events in both in webelo to go in and see about what is said in Tijuana each time. The timing wasn't quite right in our even our local journalist committees for saying No Not right now. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=536.0,592.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and those workshops were largely a mix of good Maybe just mentioned sort of the sort of the range of the types of panels that you might have focused on. I mean, did it include investigative reporting techniques as well as talking about the issues at hand?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=593.0,614.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes, we typically, we developed the first violin we had we had done like I said before, for the best for the IRA Mexico project and the workshop that Leonardo Reyes and I put together in in Nueva Laredo, we had done bilingual border workshops before. But once we did more recently, were developed by a group of people, a committee of people working with IRA, and has specific goals of assisting people recovering specific border related beat topics that are kind of difficult to get into. And emphasized the sorts of specialized data that you might find, for example, if you're trying to cover immigration, or applications for visa or deportations on the border, so a whole portion on on data related to immigration topics we brought in for each of those events, people who specialize in environmental reporting on the border, a whole nother group of sources and topics. We've usually had lawyers come talk about the latest trends in the law on both sides. And we also offered assistance to journalists, on how to use public records requests in Mexico and in the United States, both focusing on experts in each of the states where we went, who were who are leaders in doing this kind of work. We also had, depending on this site, and the interests of the journalists in that area, specialized topics on election coverage, we certainly have had. People are leaders in reporting on organized crime speak, people who could talk about money laundering and how to investigate that. And in each of our sessions, we had journalists from Mexico and journalists from the United States. So we were never we're focusing just on a US way to do anything, trying to really encourage people to tap sources on both sides of the border, encourage people to develop networks, both with other journalists on other sides of the border and with other sources on the other side of the border, and emphasize exchanging information and that you can't just report it from one side to the other to get the whole story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=615.0,750.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thank you. I have three questions. I'm going to collapse into one that you probably just answered. But in case there there are any outliers that you want to mention. I'm basically asking whether you and ire through ire have collaborated or interacted or worked with any members of the public or governmental officials or other organ organizations either transnational or domestic. And working on the related to the violence issue against journalists in Mexico.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=751.0,786.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: irori specifically, has issued statements in response to some of the attacks on investigative reporters in Mexico. We certainly were very vocal. In 2008, when the LDS journalist Armando Rodriguez was murdered. He was a member of Irie Mexico, that certainly that murder was seen as an attempt to silence his coverage of what was done the increasing violence in quietness and his investigation that was ongoing exactly at that moment of state government corruption in diary respond to that in several different ways. In all also held a dinner in his honor. And during the first bilingual border Journalism Conference that we did, in the most recent years. In invited his family we have certainly networked and talked about these issues, that we haven't been active as other organizations letting other organizations take the lead. But we've provided information and support to initiatives that others have have have launched, including the, you know, CPJ, the Committee to Protect Journalists, the Iapa, the Inter American Press Association based in in Miami, Riccardo frati, has been particularly active in responding to attacks on journalists. And he has been invited and participated in some of these workshops as has Maria Dahlia. Thomas, who has been on for a long time, the one of the main investigators of attacks on journalists for the IPA. And we also have worked extensively with Dart in terms of providing training and sessions, both at these bilingual border workshops and subsequently, Dart has become more and more active in ire. national conferences provide specific sessions to support journalists who are covering violence and tragedy, trauma, including Mexican journalists, we had a large group from Mexico Tandy. I read conference in San Antonio this year in there, specifically sessions, organized by Dart on those topics. So those are some of the groups we've worked with. We also have had an I personally have had a long relationship with the knight center for journalism in the Americas, which has done a lot of great work in this area. I participated in many of the meetings that was in all this is organized and training. He is organized to assist border journalists, and also have worked with over the years the ICFJ. International Center for journalists in Washington, DC, which has provided a lot of distance learning resources for journalists covering these issues, and very particular offered a scholarship to an IRB member named Jorge Luciana, who has developed a lot of really great tools and training for journalists who are covering those national security issues, organized crime issues, and resources to help those journalists report more safely and help themselves be not exposed or exposed to less danger and expose their sources to less danger as they're doing this investigation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=787.0,1013.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thank you. Do you know of any organizations in Mexico that are doing similar work to to IRA or do you think some of the, you know, the sort of particularly the investigative part of the training set ire does? Are they idiosyncratic, do you think to the organization at this point, just","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=1014.0,1035.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: for many years, a group called cesspit that was run by Leon Knotfest. Which is now unfortunately, not as active as it was, was doing a lot of support activities for Mexican journalist called the central Dipity small epic Tulika. And she has done a lot of work with international freedom of exchange, expression, exchange effects, and map threats on journalists, Mexican journalist was very active in working on response to the Robert Gomorrah, murder. Her group has not been as active in recent years, another very important group has been at least a PA, which was founded among others by a young journalist I've met many years ago while doing training for Irie, Mexico when she was in one of my classes in Irie Mexico years ago, and I've known her for since Marcela Turati. She founded this organization, first support group to help journalists who are covering crime victims, those to provide support and information between those journalists and turned into a group that also provides support to journalists who are under attack. Now Marcela, herself is an investigative reporter. And she has in that, in that process, also provided resources and information to her fellow investigative reporters. And I'm very proud to say that she has become a great advocate, both in and outside Mexico to raise awareness of attacks on journalists and the impact on freedom of the press, and on free investigative journalism in Mexico. She was the keynote speaker at the IRA conference in San Antonio, very effective, and also has spoken to the United Nations. And then there's one other group or two other groups I want to mention in Mexico that I think have done a lot over the years. There's a relatively recent group called Med run by a woman named Ana Rana, who is affiliated with ICFJ as well the International Center for journalists and first went down there to assist journalists through ICFJ and then found it a nonprofit that does some investigative reporting, work and training relatively small group, but she does work in that area. And then another one that's been around a lot longer. And it's perhaps not as well known outside Mexico, but it is well known in Mexico is called this one does young men well, when DIA and it was founded actually because of attack on a journalist in Mexico, who was an investigative journalist who was killed many years ago named Manuel Buendia. And it's based in Mexico City, they have a, a magazine that functions as a kind of a, a tool that connects many journalists, both in academia and in the newspaper world all over Mexico. And there are several people there who are very active in assisting journalists through that organization. And there's, it's complicated always in Mexico, to talk about the different organizations, each one of these organizations has in different periods in Mexican history been more or less active. But unfortunately, the organization I co founded IRA, Mexico itself is not no longer in existence, it was there in 96 to 98 became a Mexican independent nonprofit called videodisc. They investigate Seon went on for seven more years. And it actually turned into the group known as separate. That was the successor organization. And like I said, unfortunately, set that has not been as active in recent years as some of the other groups. So I kind of consider our spiritual successor to kind of be the beauty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=1036.0,1310.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But unlike other countries, in Latin America, which do have very strong investigative reporting organizations today, for different reasons, there is not such a group in Mexico that is comparable to say, full Paya, which is the organization that's kind of like ire in, in Argentina, the photo that video this morning, Dino, or brushy, which is an organization in Brazil, that was based on modeled on BDD sustained VCSU, on the Mexican organization, we worked with this as SL, per se later, they shouldn't at least investigate to I don't speak Portuguese. But that's what it actually stands for a great great organization very strong, second only to the IRB in the world in terms of the number of members, enormous conferences, and it's this year that CO hosts of the global journalism Investigative Journalism Conference in Rio de Janeiro, from the 12th to the 15th of October. I'm very proud that some of the founders of Apache, consider the work that we did in Iran, Mexico to be part of what helped them to get going years ago, I wish there was a group as organised that was organized in a strong and in Mexico. And I think part of the reason there isn't is because so many people have been killed, including journalists who were leaders in investigative journalism in Mexico, and who, especially in the north. And I still, like I said, personally, do everything I can, as an individual, and through some of these other organizations to try to help the journalists I know, who are still doing this work and are still carrying this lamp forward and are doing inspiring and amazing things, despite all these complications.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=1311.0,1428.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So So with respect to those that have that have been leaders that are still, you know, have survived all of this. In terms of the strength of some of these organizations, that they may have been involved with in the in the past. Do you think it's just fatigue or fear or any ideas? Why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=1429.0,1454.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think, you know, the organization is based in Mexico City. There have been at different times, I think, difficulties within the leadership groups about deciding on what their priorities are going to be some of these groups has split or gotten less powerful because it's differences of opinion between leadership or a lack of funding, you know, they weren't they were so busy doing projects, and then they forgot to apply for grants or whatever. But in terms of the north, so I've been snuck about workspace and initiatives based in Mexico City. And there's been complicated reasons why many of them They haven't stayed around for as long as they could have. I have great hopes for pretty nice stuff their PA to become bigger and bigger and stronger and stronger. I hope that that happens. But in terms of what's been Norris, I think that the journalists in the Northridge investigative reporting are too busy doing their own jobs and staying alive to do much organizing. And that's I think that's very understandable. That said, there are certainly small groups in the north, that are helping each other formally. And informally. There's a red deputy of these tests in Wattis. That's very, very active. And that groups together the journalists in Chihuahua, and that has been united in condemning attacks on journalists in Chihuahua, and has been very instrumental in pushing for justice in that state, which is, of course, one of the largest, most populated states on the border. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=1455.0,1554.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: This is just a general question about social media and social networks. I'm not sure if you and Ira have used social media much for getting the word out. But if the question is, has have you and ire use social media much to to get out information, either any of the material or any of the workshop announcements, or any of the statements of just have you use social media for that for that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=1555.0,1592.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, you know, Ira itself has been, I would say, when I was on the board, I was a critic of this, you know, as a board member, you're just want to be advisors, you don't run the organization. I've always been a little slow, I think in becoming a big user promoter of its work on social media, but they do have a much better website than they used to, and a lot of the work today that's presented in Irie conferences is available streaming on the website. A lot of it, though, is just available to members. I would like to see more of the workshop material that we developed in Spanish available for free. Right now. A lot of it is not available for free. I personally do try to make the some of the tip sheets and things that I've developed available on my blog for free. But I certainly could do a lot more. I only recently put together after going to an event sponsored by UTEP. Jointly supported by pointer, and by the McCormick Tribune Foundation, which I have to say was the funder of Irie Mexico project. And it's been a longtime supporter of initiatives on the border in in Latin America, and in ethnic communities in the United States. That put together a lot of younger next generation border journalists, put them together in a room. And as a result of meeting a lot of them and being inspired by that I put together a Twitter list with a lot of my border coverage friends, because increasingly more of them are getting the word out on on Twitter. And I think that there's a lot more that can be done there to help them. I don't know if I'm going to do that through IRA or some other way. But I'm certainly committed still to working with journalists on the border. And I'm sure there will be more ire related initiatives. And I'm sure there will be also other related initiatives that I will participate in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=1593.0,1720.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thank you. I wanted to ask whether you through IRA or your other work, along with journalists along the border? Have there been any, you know, what have been the main obstacles and challenges that have affected the outreach that you've done? You know, I don't know if there are any additional ones from the mentioned?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=1721.0,1742.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes. It's been very frustrating in recent years with this my recent series of workshops, which, like I say, we're still planning to do more. There's the plan to do one in Tucson. There's plan to do one in McAllen, Texas. And I think that that will continue to be an initiative of ire once or twice a year to try to do a border area workshop, that the challenge has really been given that event A lot of places it's not safe to do a workshop. And at this point, it's not safe to do a workshop in northern Colorado in my opinion, for example. If so, if you have an event in McAllen or in Laredo, and you want to reach your your journalists in, in Mexico, you are limited to those who have visa or border crossing cards. And that's kind of sad, or you have to plan way ahead to try to make True, they can get some write the letters. That's, that's tricky. Then you need to figure out a way to help people with travel expenses, to work for newsrooms where there aren't a and also coordinating timing. You know, we've tried as hard as we could when we plan these events, to avoid big known news generators, like elections. But sometimes when you get involved in two different countries in two different localities, you hit something that keeps everyone from getting there. I know, when we went to San Diego, we had thought we were gonna have a much larger turnout. And it turned out to be a period where there were a whole bunch of immigration related protests that popped up Riley at the last minute. And a bunch of the journalists covering the border and immigration were sent on assignment somewhere else on the day we expected them to show. And so you know, those kinds of logistical challenges have been difficult. There's places in the border where you can meet, literally right on the border, you can have an event right there at a hotel that helps facilitate things if people can walk across, there are other places where it's impossible. And trying to logistically find places that are both not too expensive, that are accessible. And fighting dates that work for everybody, regardless of where they live or work are challenging, but we have been successful, we've gotten groups of people, we've decided that it's still a victory if we get 50 people together from both sides. And the personal connections are as important as, as anything else. And I think though, it does underscore the thing, that you just mentioned that it would also be really important to make some distance learning available to to build in other components that allow people who can't get there physically to participate in a distance learning way. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=1743.0,1917.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Wondering, I don't know if you have any additions to what you've said regarding your sense of how governmental, inter governmental, and or non governmental NGOs have worked together on this violence issue in Mexico either, as you know, looking at you know, as someone who's very familiar with the issues, either looking from the outside in or being involved with any any collaborative efforts to to affect","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=1918.0,1949.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: change, since I still cover as Houston Chronicle reporter, both the State Department and you know, immigration occasionally and border violence. I try not to get involved directly as an advocate when I put on my hat friary or when I've occasionally written op ed pieces about attacks on journalism for my newspapers, I try to really separate things. But I do have great respect, particularly for the work and over the years of Ricardo Prouty at the IPA, which is associated infirmity, kinda they put it in American Press Association. The group, that group of publishers from all over Latin America and from the United States, has been involved for many, many years and putting a lot of pressure on all of the governments in Latin America and the Mexican government in particular, to improve the laws to better protect journalists. Certainly, individual Mexican publishers have been extremely involved in that effort to CPJ has sent folks down to participate in that as well, the Committee to Protect Journalists based in New York. But I do think that the I P efforts, which over time, have been very, very strong, very consistent and involved a lot of very politically connected publishers who have a lot of clout, has slowly resulted in many, many improvements in the laws. And then in turn, journalists, I think, in Mexico has helped themselves by being very, very diligent about writing about the and using those laws and writing about the flaws in them and continuing to pressure for them to be most adequately funded and enacted as written. in the journal, in particular to and why this ended, and I should mention said that too, and Tijuana where there have been a number of attacks on journalists, those journalists that have the audio and channel said said that in particular journalists, adult Manyana in Nueva Laredo have been very, very, very, very aggressive about reporting on failures to investigate murders of journalists in their in their communities, and failures of the government to follow the laws that have been passed. And those those things all together. I think, put a lot of pressure on to the government to continue to prove the situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=1950.0,2102.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thank you. Are there any milestones or critical junctures that that you haven't mentioned that either you are or you think IRA or any of your colleagues consider progress or regression in addressing some of the violence against journalists issues in Mexico?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=2103.0,2123.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I mean, I guess one of the things I want to mention to close is something that happened several years ago, but I think continues to be a big issue, and is something that is an enduring issue. You have a young reporter, who disappeared in Sonora in the state of Sonora. And this incident happened at a time when it was eight years ago, at a time when there still was this period of expansion and hope among investigative journalists in Mexico is that it was that point where things had gotten more violent in about 2003. But you still had a bit till 2008 A lot of fighting back and a lot of a lot of work on the border. And two things happened, will happen in 2008. Was that Alfredo cominius Mota Mota, journalist said Ellen parcial base disappeared while covering all media source, and he'd been covering organized crime. In response to that disappearance, a huge number of journalists came to Sonora to investigate what happened to him and responded to his attack in very personal ways. And I think there was an hope that that act would help immunize other investigative journalists from being targeted and killed. And sadly, which is what happened in the United States with the murderer years ago, Don Bowles, which was the story of the founding of ire Don Bowles was murdered in Phoenix, Arizona, investigating organized crime and IRS founded by people who went to investigate what happened to Don to try to send a message that you couldn't kill one organized journal were our investigative journalist, the United States without seeing everyone come to his rescue. So Mexican journalists are tempted to do the same thing in the case of Alfredo Jimenez Mota, because there was just widespread concern that he specifically was targeted to be to send a message to investigative journalists. And, sadly, instead, the attacks only increased and we still do not know what happened to Alfredo Jimenez smoke. We don't know where he was murdered. We don't know where spotty ended up. We just know he disappeared that night and has never been found. Spies never been found. He's almost certainly murdered long ago, buried in the desert somewhere likely. And the fact that we don't know what happens to Alfredo is a haunting thing. And also, I think, underscores that in addition to the murders of journalists, we also have the groups that had been terrorizing, particularly northern Mexico, but other parts of Mexico to disappearing people and beyond the attacks where you find someone murdered. The disappearances are almost even more troubling. We have disappearances that are in numbers accepted by the Mexican government, over 20,000 people disappeared in Mexico. And Marcella karate has written in her book about these issues that already quite a while ago, the number that was accepted in terms of the disappearances exceeded the quantity that were reported during the Dirty Wars in Argentina, and are accepted in our history as sort of a genocide of a whole generation of, of people. Some of whom were journalists, to journalism students, and others were targeted in the Dirty War. And and I think that there still is not a recognition of the scope of the disappearances in Mexico, and that there's true is a in my mind is serious crime against humanity that is that is implied by that that we have, we have huge scope of disappearances in which there are no answers. And I hope that some day that those those questions about what happened to miss mode. And what happened so many other people are resolved. And I know there are many different answers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=2124.0,2412.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But I hate I hate to see in the coverage of these attacks that if I don't, I don't want to see an era in which we accept that. Okay, things have calmed down Mexico is safer now. And we're just going to forget about all the people who were killed or who were disappeared. I hope that part of what we do as investigative journalists is not forget about those disappearances and and be committed to finding answers whether their answers we can get now or whether we have to push for answers later. I don't know if you have a few. Do you have a few more minutes? Sure. Yes. Wondering,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=2413.0,2448.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: thank you for that. Wondering if you wanted to add anything to that regarding you were touching on it. Your evaluation of the Mexican government's response to oppression of journalists in the country, either through violence or, you know, murder killings, disappearances?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=2449.0,2470.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I mean, I know that my Mexican colleagues and friends have criticized efforts. And as you know, in Mexico, the federal government does not, did not historically investigate murders period that was delegated to State's Attorney General. And part of the problem was many times, the journalist felt that state attorney generals had no interest in solving the murders, because in some cases, these were investigative reporters who are investigating government corruption. And so there's been a big push, as you know, I'm sure you've talked about other people to get the federal government to take a role in investigating journalists, especially when they were considered to be definitely connected to their work. Now, there's been a lot of controversy over efforts that had been made to say that some journalists deaths were not related to their work. And journalists in Mexico, have often criticized to that, that the emphasis of just looking at attacks on journalists who were killed in relation directly to their work overlooks the possibility that then it becomes in the authorities interest to try to pretend that these journalists were murdered only because of a robbery or murder and some random attack on the street and just make it look like something else. But anyway, that said, I don't think that my colleagues in Mexico are satisfied that the federal government response and the federal government efforts have been sufficient. I do know that some journalists have been given protection by the Mexican government after attacks, some of them have gotten Mexican government protection for years following attacks. I certainly don't think, though, that the efforts made to solve journalist murders are considered to be sufficient. But then again, you know, the entire justice system has a problem in Mexico with solving murders, period. And until I think we see better murder investigations across the board. We're not going to seek justice in the case of journalists, either, unfortunately. So I don't know if that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=2471.0,2604.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: helpful. Very helpful. Thank you. How about how would you evaluate the level of training or preparedness of journalism in general, from your experience along the border to effectively report and, you know, in these very difficult circumstances?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=2605.0,2623.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, as I said before, when I went to Mexico, I already quickly realized in 1996, and in fact, some of the best investigative journalism was being done in northern Mexico and in newspapers like ldrd Weiss and not the Tijuana, although it does more of a magazine sort of journalism mixed with with the opinion mixed in the Al Manyana Nuevo Laredo has always been strong, though small regional paper and porcelain animal CO has long been considered one of the best papers in northern Mexico, North in Monterey. And there were been expansions by newspaper companies, particularly the company that owns not in Monterrey that has improved journalism, or the quality of journalism all over Mexico, North Bay, obviously most famously opened the newspaper in Mexico City called reformer in the 90s. That is considered one of the best papers in Mexico still, and has a chain. So the level of journalism at those newspapers that I mentioned, is high and they train their people LDI do what is funded a master's degree program for some of its journalists several years ago, entirely funded by the paper for a group of journalists who took advantage of that. There are other papers, obviously, they have very few resources, and many journalists who work independently. One of the things that have happened as a result of the attacks on journalists in the north, is that many journalists who worked for newspapers that no longer are doing investigative journalism, went off on their own and are doing radio, or running their own websites. Some of them are already famous journalists in their regions, and were able to get funding to do that. But that puts them in a very vulnerable position where they're really working almost by themselves. Doing so great work, don't have the resources, the backing of a major media company that does there's a lot of those folks, some of those folks don't have any training and need it and just kind of winging it. There's our experienced journalists who left other major newspapers are doing really well. I think that their levels of training experience vary wildly. All along the border, there's certainly a lot of people with gotten us, you know, people who really want to do it on both sides, USA Mexico side, who need training from those other mentors who are engaged and are great at it. And it's, it's hard with the distances to get those really great border journalists together. These days, especially in an era when the travel budgets are really limited. Back in the day, when we did the big gathering in Nueva Laredo, back in oh four. Almost every border newspaper in United States still had travel budget for journalists and border bureaus. That's no longer the case. So to get people together on the border, to have that expertise in one place is difficult, you know. So mentoring has to be long distance, it has to be connecting people via social media or in smaller meetings. And that's part of why I felt that with the work we did with Irene, Mexico in the last several years is really important, getting people together, face to face, and then you're getting face to face, you know each other, then you stay in touch. You know, mentors develop mentorship, relationship development exchanges develop. And that one on one contact is something sometimes the most beneficial thing for reporters, journalists, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=2624.0,2838.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thank you. Just wanted to ask you, if you wanted to add any sorts of funding that your work with Ira has received related to border workshops, I just wanted to make sure that you've felt like you accounted, you know, mentioned the ones the places that funding came from. I know you mentioned McCormick. And you mentioned night immature, if you mentioned night, but anyway,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=2839.0,2865.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: no, no, the McCormick Tribune Foundation, Robert R. McCormick Foundation is was the funder of the IRA Mexico project and has supported other ethnic media training for IRA. The border journalism workshop series that we did recently was funded by the Ford Foundation, which is a great supporter of journalism initiatives in Latin America, and particularly in Mexico. The border livestock, the workshop workshop series, is actually funded by a different group that is near they didn't find every single IRB board or workshop, but some of the border workshops were funded by let me get get the name of it here in a minute. A different group, I'll tell you in a minute, let's see. So who else trying to think of? Well, it and then also we've had, we've had a lot of support from Dart, just in kind, as a kind of a co sponsor these and they've they've encouraged some of their donors to assist us. And open society has provided money for scholarships and fellowships for reporters from Mexico to attend ire training. And so so those are, that's another source. They've also funded a lot of things in Latin America, trying to think of anybody else I should mention. That's the thing. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=2866.0,2965.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And if you if you wanted to add any more before we finish here, feel free. And just checking on in terms of threatening environments, whether you are or members of ire have ever been threatened about your work related to to to the border trainings or any of the outreach that you all have done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=2966.0,2990.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You know, I've never been directly threatened. There was a time that I received word that a US journalist who had recently visited her family was a target of a death threat from from a group. And the time that that threat was passed on to one of the editors at our newspaper company by an FBI border, agent. There were three of us who had recently four of us and recently visited the border. So that was passed on to me. I believe that that threat was actually targeted at someone else. I have tried to be careful in what I do. And I've tried also to make sure that my work doesn't endanger other people who tell me things. I think that's one of the trickiest things. Not so much that us us reporters are targeted. It's that people who help us or people who are friends can be targeted. So I tried to be careful how I communicate with people, especially when I'm working on sensitive stories. And so I've been lucky. I haven't I haven't had that happen to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=2991.0,3067.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thank you. I think we already touched on this, but just wanted to make sure that I understood you correctly. When we were talking earlier about organized efforts, you know, that you've taken part in or taking part in with Ira? Did you say that IRA or you have not really been involved with with legislative advocacy in Mexico does that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=3068.0,3095.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Know ire hasn't really done that kind of thing. The IRS is tries to be a non political group. There have been times when the board officially has sent his sent letters, supporting initiatives by other groups that are working for political change or that are are asking for accountability, in response to tax on investigative journalists, and those are matter of the board. Looking at those on a case by case basis been brought to their attention, I certainly have brought things to the board's attention. The board doesn't like to do that all the time. But they certainly do when they feel particularly strong about something that's happened. And there was it was very deliberate this year that the the IRB board voted, which they do vote on, who's the keynote speaker, if they really felt that it was important for the entire world investigative journalism community to focus on what was going on in Mexico, and hear Marcellus firsthand account of both what she's doing her work with other journalists all over the country. And, you know, to respond to it, and Marcela did, you know, make an appeal for IRB members to respond. And I think that some of them have begun to do that. And I areas and organization is still talking about what else? What else can we do? What else? What more can we do? And I'll be part of those discussions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=3096.0,3197.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thank you. I think I think that probably answers this next question, unless you want to add to it. Do you have a sense of, you know, IRAs, or your own plans in the next couple of years to related to so you know, support for Mexican journalists related to freedom of information information, security, or freedom of expression in the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=3198.0,3220.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I, I left every board in 2011 and still organized, have organized workshops since then, and also, you know, was the co chair of the ire conference in 2013. And in San Antonio. But I'm no longer on the board. So I'm, at this point, sort of an informal adviser on these issues. I certainly, like I said, I've had a commitment from Mark COVID that the border watchdog workshop series is going to continue the Ford particular grant is not in place anymore. But they do are still doing work during watchdog workshops, and ethnic media workshops. And so those, those other monies that are supporting those efforts, can be used for border workshops. So I know that the McCormick Foundation is the supporter of the ethnic media workshops, and that's one of the sources of funding for border events. Then there's also you know, other funding that I recap No specifically beyond that. I don't know what else they're doing. I certainly would like to see. I'd like to see a support group developed for border investigative journalists or border journalists. There is not one. And and, and I've had proposal that I've made to couple different groups to try to make that a reality. So far. It hasn't happened, but I'd like to see it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=3221.0,3322.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Great. So I don't know if there's anything else you would like to add. This has been very helpful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=3323.0,3331.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think you've covered everything. I didn't blab on and on too much, but no, thank","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306#t=3332.0,3337.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74435/file/160306/transcript/38233/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you so very much. 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