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For this interview, I'm going to ask you some basic questions for starters. Could you could you tell, tell me about the mission of your organization in Mexico?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=0.0,16.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes. The knight center for journalism in the Americas was created in 2002, as a an outreach program to help journalists in Latin America and the Caribbean, with journalism, training and other kinds of assistance. Basically, we work with journalists, who are interested in improving the quality of journalism in their countries, and we help them to establish projects that are local, independent and self sustainable. So we developed, we were lucky enough to find partners in most of the countries in Latin America, and create with them, sort of a network of a new generation of organizations of journalists that are not are not. Unions are not news companies or organizations, but to organizations, by the journal organized by journalists themselves. In Mexico, Mexico was one of the first projects that we that we developed, we found a partner in the three years that investigative journalist and and we helped her to create in 2003, set that center that video periodization we atika public, that that has been an organization that was based on on a listserv of about 900 journalists from all over the country. So this is our was our first partner in Mexico more recently, we have been working more with videodisc as they appear, which is another organization this was created a few years ago, by a few female journalists from Mexico City.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=17.0,156.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Very good. And your role and involvement with the organization related to Mexico, you're specifically. So you, you, you can maybe the scope of your organization and outreach there, maybe at the knight center. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=157.0,176.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: we don't have an organization in Mexico, we have an organization in Austin, Texas, what we do is that we we help journalists in other country to create their own organizations or when they have their organizations, we have been assisting them to strengthening the organization and put them as part of this Latin American or, or Inter American network that we kind of stimulate from here, our policy is based on on being very respectful of their independence and and have sort of organizational capacity building and to empower them to help themselves. So you know, instead of giving them the sort of traditional media development assistance, which is journalism, training in Heaton, run style, what we have done is to help them to to create their own capacity to develop plans and be self sustainable and permanent. So in Mexico, those two organizations have been our main partners.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=177.0,264.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Very good. Does the organization the night center, collaborate, collaborate with members of the public related to Mexico? And if so, how? I think you you were hitting on that with those two groups. I don't know if there's anything any more nuanced that you want to you want to offer there or you want me to move on to the next question? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=265.0,288.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the night Center is a multifaceted organic organization. We have several things I mean, one of the things that we have is, is very unique. A news blog that informs about journalism in the Americas. And we have, obviously, during the crisis of the of the last years with the bloodshed among journalists, they are, we have been a source of information about journalism and Mexican journalists, for Republicans in general, and we have had a lot of traffic from Mexico during this period. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=289.0,338.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So you follow your following, you can you can see where where the traffic is coming from it the so it's a it's a global, it's a has that blog has global reach? Yes. And,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=339.0,351.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: for example, one thing that we did a few years ago, we did the first interactive map, showing violence against journalists in, in, in in Mexico. And I think it was the first kind of visualization that how endemic The problem was, and, and the fact that it was not just a border problem, but it was affecting the entire geography of Mexico. This was just one of the of the projects that that we that we had, we also invited a Mexican journalist to come here to Austin in many occasions, for the Austin forum on journalism in the Americas and animal roundtable conference that we organize here. And in 2010, or 2011. I don't remember exactly. We had a very unique, very unique, small workshop or conference here on specifically, the coverage of narco trafficking in the border region. So we had 26 Mexican and American correspondents or reporters or editors who cover the border region. And and eventually we publish the report about that, that that conference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=352.0,448.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Very good. And with respect to bringing are those Mexican American correspondents coming? Were that did the did the center assist with any of that? Or I it was a quite a great number of people to get together was it was their assistance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=449.0,466.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I don't understand your way. The center paid all the expenses of the of the workshop. We received a grant from the McCormick Foundation for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=467.0,483.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay. Yep, that's exactly what I was asking. Thank you. Does your organization interact or collaborate with trans any transnational international groups, or networks, and I'm speaking specifically of inter governmental organizations or non governmental types of organizations. So, you know, partners, like, for example, in our American Press Association, or or open society or like, Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=484.0,518.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I mean, you know, I, since the very beginning of the night center in 2002, we have been as inclusive as possible, you know, I always say that I don't have I don't have competitors, I have allied anybody else who, who are, are concerned about improving journalism in Mexico, or any other Latin American or Caribbean country is considered for me and ally. So organizations like Inter American Press Association, the International Center for journalists, foundations, like open open society. All of our Ford Foundation, whatever, whoever is doing the work to help journalists in that in Latin America, our our, our friends and we, one of the of the objectives of this annual conference called the Austin forum for journalists in the Americas was precisely to, to network them all into create an instance where they could come in and know each other because when I, when we started this organization here, I realized that there were no contact between many of those organizations. And the farm became sort of a networking opportunity for them. And it was fascinating to see that people did not know that in our neighbor, in a neighbor country, journalists were organizing themselves to do the same thing. And in the case of Mexico, it was a great opportunity also to connect Mexican journalists with American journalists, for instance, this group that we brought here, a few years ago, with the sponsorship of the, of the McCormick Foundation, they kept a list or then we still have that, that list that is inactive most of the time, but when there is a crisis when there is, you know, one of the participants of the event in Austin, have a problem or needs help, you know, this is an email address that they know that they are reaching out this group. And, and lately, it has been a little inactive again, but but I'm sure that it will wake up when there is a specific need.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=519.0,695.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Sure, sure. Just to get a sense of the scope of the you know, not to ask for a specific number. But I This leads into another question I have regarding the number of organizations non governmental, inter governmental, even governmental that your your organ your organization or night Center has worked with, would you say it's over the years regarding the violence issue in Mexico, which, toward journalists, would you say dozens?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=696.0,725.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It's not no not not that much. I can I can mention some organizations and some because we became a reference. So international organizations when they are interested in helping Mexican journalists, usually they come to us and ask for advice, etc. But, but I can I can, I can tell you about some. For instance, there is a Rory Peck Trust, which is an NGO based in London, that wanted to do sort of risk research and in a project to help freelance journalist and determine how many freelance journalists in Mexico especially those from the countryside, that that have no assistance at all etcetera. And they and they have even money to help organizations we we we helped the international news Safety Institute, the inci that is based in London also, which is specifically concerned about security issues. They they have done a couple of projects in Mexico and I have been in their board and have been helping them. Of course, the other organizations that we have invited to Austin are committed to to Protect Journalists, whoever, you know, of correspondent in Mexico City and is very active Reporters Without Borders, who also have people in in Mexico IAAPA that that you mentioned the Inter American Press Association. Well, Sema, which is connected with the Endowment for Democracy, Washington that has been interested in Mexico, the trust of the Americas, which is connected with the OAS, and is an organization that helps journalists and civil society in met in Latin America, civil society organizations in Latin American in general. Even the women in the media Foundation, which is also a Washington based organization, those are the sides of the the OAS rapporteur Office for freedom of the press the United Nations Office for freedom of the press, UNESCO in Paris. And so there are many, many organizations that if you read about the Aspen forum, editions that we have in the last decade, you're gonna see the list of participants, and those are organizations that most of them are very interested in Mexico also will go not only Mexico.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=726.0,929.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Very good, I noticed. Can you can you talk a little bit about the forum that you brought together, I believe it was in 2011, where you had all of the above so many of these groups, it looks like I saw the list, you know, in these statement about I might have been, I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=930.0,950.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: last year was the largest of the forum. We, we really had a very, very strong conference, talking about ways to protect journalists, we had a previous one on on average of narco trafficking, that that was also very much focused on Mexico, because Mexico was the bleeding, you know, the, the hotspot in the region. So, you know, those conferences, I think were very helpful, not only for the result of the report we published, but but the most important thing that we did was the exchange of experience between different countries, like, for example, putting Colombians who had that it's very similar in many aspects, in different in others. Violence Crisis in in a couple of decades ago, sharing their experience with the Mexicans and, and looking for similarities to be applied. I think that that was a fascinating aspect of those meetings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=951.0,1033.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Very good. Do you think that those that last meeting that you mentioned with, I believe it was the one that included? There were people from throughout the Americas and beyond? But the one I believe away us was that and there were some other lots of groups? Do did it feel like that meeting created momentum going forward? Or was that part of the intention?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1034.0,1060.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, I think that the intention was to, you know, to empower people from the region with with knowledge of, of what was going on, and, and what were the takeaways that that we could give them. In several areas. For instance, during like, last year, or some form, one of the main surprises for journalists from from Mexico and from other parts, was the issue of cybersecurity. They, they we brought some experts to talk about the importance of cybersecurity, and we realize that even in, in a very, very dangerous involved environments, journalists, were not even password, protecting their, their computers or their eyes or their cell phones. So, you know, we that that was a very concrete thing that that I think, came out of this recently. The new distance they RPA organization was here. And now as a consequence of that, created an email discussion list, very restricted to journalists from all over Mexico that they they trust, to discuss specifically security issues. So you know, there there, there are several practical things that came out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1061.0,1170.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Very good. Thank you. This may seem like it. It's a bit of an out of order question. Actually. I wanted to ask, Was there were there any critical I know that the knight Center has been very involved with with, of course, the Americas in Mexico the whole time that it's been in existence, but were there any watershed events that that caused your creating created, sort of being born? I'm in which the center has really increased its work in Mexico. Do you know? Or do you think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1171.0,1208.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: in the beginning, I think they know our emphasis before violence became so, so heavily. Our when we started there and helped to create septet in 2003, the main issue was the the law, the transparency law that was new. So we, we provided journalists all over Mexico with sort of training and introduction to the significance of, of the culture of the right to know when and access to public information. Later on, you know, the emphasis became on on how to put out to Protect Journalists and how to sort of create awareness of the problems that they were, we're facing or have been facing in many parts of the country. Because of our proximity geographically to the border. We we have always been in touch with people in New Mexico, especially on the Mexican side of the border. We're facing problems from California to I mean, from from 81, up to up to here to the border with with Texas. So people from the weekly magazine in the Atlanta people from El Manyana. He just left them for hours by car from when I'm talking with you suffered a lot of violence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1209.0,1324.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The suit the center in the last couple of years has had Do you think since the violence is increased, it looks like the center is doing even more and more focused on Mexico the last couple of years, would you say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1325.0,1342.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, unfortunately, the center has been just unfunded completely. You know, the center had benefit from two major multi grants from Knight Foundation. And, unfortunately, since September 1, we have no grant at all, because Knight Foundation decided not to fund it anymore. And Open Society Foundation that had already helped us a little bit also is not interested in in helping. So I don't I don't know, how, where this center will go now that we don't have funds.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1343.0,1389.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay. It's been quite remarkable what you've done with it. It's been remarkable what you've done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1390.0,1400.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And I think you've already addressed these questions about how your organization disseminates information about about concerns, specifically regarding the violence issues and safety security issues. And for journalists in Mexico, you mentioned the blog. And you mentioned the listservs and internal network listservs any other types of social media or networks that you're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1401.0,1429.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh yeah, you know, these centers very active on Twitter and Facebook, we have you know, lots of social media, active activities and, and we are very proactive actually, in, in, in social media, we have also reported a lot about about social media in Mexico and especially in the in the most violent areas of Mexico and how important it became for informing the citizenry about what was going on that newspapers and news media in general could not report because they were basically censored by the by the organized crime.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1430.0,1483.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thank you. What would you say are some of the main obstacles and challenges that affect your work or that of your organization related to Mexico, you know, up till now and I guess looking forward","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1484.0,1497.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, You know, 111 thing that strikes me is how Mexican journalists and media owners have not been united, or in fluid, collaboration and comprehend conversation, they have been very hard to get together, despite the bloody situation they were facing. I think that that was really an obstacle for someone like, like us who were trying to, to help them to help themselves. This, this, I think was, was a problem. Mexico's not unique in that there are the countries in Latin America, they're harder to make different sectors of the media to come to the same table. But I, you know, one of the things that surprised me the most is how competent Mexico was to have civil society movement. So successful, like the Grupo Wahaca, which led to the Freedom of Information Law, that is fantastic law ahead of anybody else in the world. And, and I thought that sort of mobile media, people land mobilization of society, would happen again, to face the emergence of the, of the violence that was going on those years in Mexico. And, and this never happened, you know, it was very hard to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1498.0,1625.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: see any signal that they were getting together. What do you think the reason is?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1626.0,1632.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah. The stress among themselves is the main reason, I mean, in fact that the Mexico has a history of corruption among journalists and media organizations. makes everybody not not trusting the other and, and makes it very difficult. And also, the gravity of the situation, because the bad guys had infiltrated the media as well. So you never knew with whom you're talking to right. But I thought that, despite those all those reasons, I thought that at least in the mainstream media, Mexico City days, that was they were pretty much protected. The bloody thing was happening in the countryside, not in Mexico City. So I thought they would have a more engaged than united. Participation in in efforts to stop the slaughter, and they did not. I had the idea that I had this idea that we, from outside Mexico were more guns were more concerned with the violence in Mexico than the people in Mexico City or in, in in Mexico. And I must say that this is not only a Mexico problem, sometimes it happens in other countries in Latin America, because there are more international organizations that are dedicated to the local organizations that are dedicated to this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1633.0,1746.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's a good point. That's a good point. Let's see here. So I think you've already talked about ways in which international and national organizations work together on the Mexic have worked together on the Mexico case itself. And I, I will reference your the sort of synopsis of one of the four recently I think it was the 2012 one where you brought lots of journalists but also non governmental and intergovernmental groups together. That was the 2012 forum. Was it in Austin?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1747.0,1787.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I don't remember how I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1788.0,1789.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, look, look, look back, look back. Or Had there been any milestones or critical junctures that your organization in There's might consider as progress or regression in addressing some of the issues in Mexico. I'm thinking about or, you know, some examples could be the amendment to the Constitution, any legislation or policies that, you know, have come out of pressure from lots of different places, I guess on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1790.0,1823.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, I think I think they have been met. But I must say that I have not been in the, in the advocating side of these things. I think people that you should interview by Carlos Lambie from CPJ. CPJ have had has had missions to Mexico have gone to the President and to put direct pressure, you know, my organization is more dedicated to training and to a certain extent to networking, other organizations to help other organizations, but it has not been doing any direct article cater actions. The other one that I think has been very active has been DAPA. So I recommend you to talk with with Ricardo is the trotty and the representative in Mexico. Right, right now, I think it's a dahlia","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1824.0,1886.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Gomez. Yeah. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1887.0,1889.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Excellent. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1890.0,1890.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay. That's, that's great. That's great. And that is a good important. Distinguish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1891.0,1897.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: They follow the, you know, the details of the evolution, I know that some milestones were very important. Like, you know, the creation of the federalization of crimes against journalists, which is fundamental, it's something that had been been asked for so long, and then the creation of the special Procoder. That, that, that was important, although it never worked as far as I'm concerned. But those people have been on the front lines of that go in there and following and showing things that were not working.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1898.0,1941.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: From, I don't know, if any of those legal frameworks are, have been in place long enough to to, from your standpoint, in the gatherings that you've had to know, whether they've had any results, you know, as you're saying is we're, you know, implementation of policies and laws, you know, is another side of the whole thing, and probably the most important have from from comments. I don't know, if you've received comments from journalists in Mexico, whether any of the governmental movements toward, you know, legislation or or policies have had they been helpful? Do you know, or is it do you think too early to know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1942.0,1983.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, depends, I think there were a few failures, right, I mean, the Procoder. They created this, this position there but didn't, never gave the attorney, the special attorney any any resources to really act. This was an example of failure. The other failure that I that I think, but I'm not, you know, I have not followed this. So close. But, you know, throughout those years, where the situation was very, very dangerous, and so many journalists have been killed in attacks, etc, especially some who have received the credible threat. I was I was shocked by the fact that the government did not have a mechanism to to offer protection, you know, bodyguards, armored cars, things like like that. When and also even my friends colleagues in Mexico did not want that or did not want to discuss that. You know, it was some things that was sounded like ridiculous for them. However, you know, when you go to a place like, like Colombia, you see that the government has had their years of experience of having that, not just last year, but journalist was not killed in an attempt to kill him, because he was in an armored car that was provided by the government. And the bodyguard was killed, but but he escaped because of the of the armored car. And for me, it was incredible that a country with the size of Mexico, even even going there and looking at the Colombian example, we're not capable of spending some money doing doing that on one hand, and on the other hand, journalists who would say, you know, I would never accept a bodyguard. It's a complicated situation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=1984.0,2145.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Definitely is. Could you I don't know if you could speak to or basically evaluating the Mexican government's response to the oppression against journalists in the Mexico case? I think you have I don't know if there's anything else that you want to add to what you just said.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2146.0,2167.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: In regarding to what,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2168.0,2169.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: regarding regarding the, you know, the violence and oppression issue? You we talked a little bit about the legislative response, the the body guard, the armored car?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2170.0,2183.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You know, I think it's a question of culture, I think there are two sort of recent disciplines in journalism, that did not exist in my generation, but it's, but those are, are required now. One is security, I mean, journalists should be aware and should be trained, and educated and should have the culture of security, especially when they are working on hostile environments. Sometimes, even when they are not in a hostile environment, even in that, in that case, they should be aware, because they can suddenly be in that hostile environment. And this throughout Latin America, there is not one country that would escape the definition that journalists can be put into harm's way at any time. So the culture of security is very important, and some sometimes very difficult, not only Mexico, but throughout the region, to convince journalists, that, that they should learn a couple of things, that some some sometimes in a riots, for instance, in big city, when you see all the actors that are there, you know, the protesters, the police, the, you know, the other people, their reporters who are exposing themselves are the only ones who never trained to be there, even the pro the pro protesters plan, you know, this is an escape route, they have their own protocols, and journalists think they are super men and can go there and nothing will happen. The second discipline that is very important and in Mexico has been extremely important and extremely neat. Neglected is, is the discipline of of trauma, and journalists, which the dark dark Center has been doing a great work. But but you know, small considering the size of the of the psychological need that journalists who were not only affected directly by the violence by being victims themselves, but the fact that they have been covering victims all the time, and that discipline also, I think, had should have had much more attention in in Mexico in those years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2184.0,2359.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And so that would that would, those are the two critical areas of level of training and preparedness that you would say would be continued to be weak but have improved somewhat given some of the work your your your organization, and a few others or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2360.0,2377.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think so I can't but but I think the work that has been done was great and it wasn't was not easy to do. But it was minimal considering the huge need.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2378.0,2392.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Good points. The that you know, that brings me to asking a little bit about what you would say distinguishes has distinguished I know, things may be changing with the direction of what, you know what what the knight center is going to be doing in the future. But what do you think distinguishes your organization there from others that are working on the, you know, the violence issue and for journalists in Mexico?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2393.0,2422.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, each organization has its own kind of niche or or mission of focus. Some of them I specifically on one, violence, and attacks against journalists and freedom of the press. Others know, my organization main issue is education, educating journalists, through capacity building, through organizational capacity building, you know, helping them to help themselves and always respecting their independence and not trying to come up with any agenda or any specific things to impose to them. Right, but rather asking them what do you need and trying to help them? I think we have done good work. For those years that we have had the lack of funding for that. And now, we are struggling, but but the mission is the same.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2423.0,2503.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Or the the MOOCs. And you've done you've had some coursework, right online coursework, as well as on site, but have there been a number of those trainings programs? Online, through the center?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2504.0,2521.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, we we are a pioneer in in terms of online, online training in journalists, we know in the last. I mean, we started in 2003, when it was very doubtful, the efficiency of online training. And from 2003 to this year, we trained about 7000, journalists in Latin America, and the Caribbean, we have very specific school skills based courses online and seminars online. But mostly, mostly courses of small groups that have been very interactive and very intense. Last year, we start experimenting with massive open online courses, which is sort of a new trend in higher education in the United States. There are many companies and nonprofits with millions of dollars doing that. But we feel that we are like a very teeny tiny small gorilla group doing with very little money. MOOCs, which are not as big as the MOOCs of the colleges or universities that have 10s of 1000s. Of part participants. But our courses have 4000 5000 participants in in in, in each end in and it's very journalism and cutting edge journalism issues. So in the last, in less than 10 months, we we put together five MOOCs that reached more than 15,000 people. So in in 10 months, we will have the MOOCs with the openness of the MOOCs, we we trained more people more than double that we trained in, in in 10 years of small, small courses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2522.0,2662.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's amazing. And I noticed some of them have been or a number of them have been Spanish language, correct?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2663.0,2669.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes, and with relevant issues like, like coverage, how to improve the coverage of elections and things like that. The difference is that the MOOCs as they are completely open are not restricted to Latin America. Shall date you know, the one that we are ending on Monday has been reaching out to 700 people from 138 countries, which is pretty amazing. That is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2670.0,2703.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: amazing. That's, that's close to two thirds, two thirds, practically two thirds of the world isn't? To me think the Are there any strategies or that you think have have not succeeded or any that have with groups that have been assisting at risk journalists in Mexico? Eight, you've touched on some of them? I didn't know if there were any others. This is regarding training or outreach?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2704.0,2737.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, I don't, I don't think I have any example. Okay, you know, I'm sad to see that, for example, set back to that is the organization that we have been helping and was very, very active and did great work during several years, have not been very active lately, or at least I'm not aware of their activities. On the other hand, we see that they are greater organization, very dynamic with people with those journalists from Mexico City have been very active in helping in a very concrete way, people from the countryside Winegrape needs. So, you know, things are improving in that sense, despite some, some failures,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2738.0,2787.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: do you think that failures or the lack of energy or whatever it may be? Do you think that's related to funding? Or do you think it's any idea why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2788.0,2800.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I don't I don't know, personal problem. Finances and lack of energy, you know, after years doing going on the on the counter? Current you get tired? I don't blame people who did great work, but then low down?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2801.0,2826.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, very good. Very good point. There, we do have a funding question. And I know you've got you've had funding from lots of different sources. So I don't even know, you know, the scope, whether this is something you could even answer, you know, in a in a conversation. But one of the questions is, what sorts of funding has your your your organization received related to the work in Mexico? Is that you mentioned a couple already.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2827.0,2853.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, but I don't I don't have specific sources for Mexico. I have sources for Latin American work. And I pick the countries that I want to work with. I don't remember any specific funding that I received it No, actually, I helped people, even a big Washington organization called into news that sees lots of money from from the American government and other sources to see trained journalists all over the world when I had fun. I was intrigued by the fact that they help journalists all over the world except in Latin America. I I tried to help them to stimulate them to come to Mexico and I help them to I gave them money to help but but I don't really see I don't remember if I received any funds for specifically Mexico, other than then that McCormick Foundation small grant to do a one workshop. That is the same. It's it's it's a competitive grant that they offer every year that all of us can need. bozos and it's up to $50,000. But But McCormick became less and less International. They're not interested in international Cyrus, I know. The last couple of years I have asked and they have said","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2854.0,2957.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well, it's amazing what the scope of what what the night center what you all have done. Yeah, the than just to go one or two other questions. And that one is have you or your organization ever been been threatened related to the work in Mexico? No. Okay. Okay. I know that you brought people to Austin, who were under threat but But you all haven't had any issues along that line. That's that's certainly good. And then the, I wanted to ask before asking if you want to add anything What your organization's plans are if you know, at this point for the next couple of years related to say freedom of expression, information security, access to information issues in Mexico?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=2958.0,3012.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, we want to keep working. I mean, despite the fact that we reached this situation that I find that donors fatigue, right in when you have a donor and main donor, you know, they say, well, we love you, we know that you're doing a good job, etc. But we are not going to be sustaining University Center forever. And actually, in the case of the Knight Foundation, they have unfunded other other university based centers. So, so I want to keep going, I think I have to generate money. That's what I'm trying to do now. I mean, to have, you know, build on on all this experience on distance learning that we developed. So we announced yesterday, a training program for Brazilian newsrooms that will be paid by the Association of newspapers in Brazil, and they will cover their cost with, you know, charging the people who will, will take the course. So they take the risk, and we get some money, and see if we can make the miracle of having enough money for our overhead and looking for other donors. I'm doing that right. Right now. I'm gonna do a partnership with Google, also in November to do a look. Great thing to be announced. That will be yeah, I hope it's not a lot of money. But it's, it's an experiment that has potential right. So I need the minimum money to keep the center. The other thing that the center is doing is entering in the research area, right. I mean, I'm now the PI of research project that I will present next month and the investigative journalism. Global Congress in Rio. Yeah, so. So research is another area that that the knight center could pivot into.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=3013.0,3159.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Great, great. And, okay. Yes. Any anything else? You wanted to add that I didn't add that we didn't ask?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=3160.0,3168.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=3169.0,3169.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think we've covered everything. Yes. an hour. 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Thank you so much, Rosenthal, and we'll we'll stay in touch okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283#t=3174.0,3176.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/74413/file/160283/transcript/38226/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/038/226/original/azu_ms533_001_a.vtt?1654024363","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/038/226/original/azu_ms533_001_a.vtt?1654024363"}]}]}]}