{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/s46h12wd5g/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Episode 8712: Gladys Franklin Carroll"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/038/original/university-libraries-logo-2x.png?1711560609","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["KPOL"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source"]},"value":{"en":["Eyewitness to History videocassettes, MS 685, box 1, tape 10"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Chanin, Abraham S., 1921- (interviewer)","Carroll, Gladys Franklin (interviewee)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["1987"]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["Arizona"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAbraham (Abe) Chanin interviews Tucson businesswoman Gladys Franklin Carroll.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["U-Matic"]}},{"label":{"en":["Identifier"]},"value":{"en":["MS685.010 (uid)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Relation"]},"value":{"en":["Eyewitness to History videocassettes (part of)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Interviews"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAbraham (Abe) Chanin interviews Tucson businesswoman Gladys Franklin Carroll.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"provider":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Arizona Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Arizona Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/038/original/university-libraries-logo-2x.png?1711560609","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/160/217/small/azu_ms685-010_a.mp4_1653499114.jpg?1653499115","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - azu_ms685-010_a.mp4"]},"duration":1548.48,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/160/217/small/azu_ms685-010_a.mp4_1653499114.jpg?1653499115","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-arizona.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/160/217/original/azu_ms685-010_a.mp4?1653499107","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":1548.48,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["MS685-010 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome to eyewitness to history, your personal trip through history. I trip through history as we experienced it and remember it by trip through Living History. Professor HN, who was a veteran of a half century of Arizona journalism will be your God. You will visit with some of the state's most important personalities and your neighbors who are my witnesses to history. Today's guest is Gladys Franklin, Carol's Daughter of Tucson pioneers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=24.0,123.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome to eyewitness to history. eyewitness to history is very proud to have his guest today, Mrs. John Carroll, who is a true pioneer of Tucson. It was her father, who really helped bring the University of Arizona Tucson in and is known as the father of the University of Arizona. Today, Ms. Carroll lives in the same house that was built for her father and mother on Main Street in downtown Tucson. I'd like to begin to unfold the story of your great pioneer family with the Lionel and Baron Jacobs who are your grand dunkles who came to Tucson and did so much and founding so many important institutions in Tucson. That was in the 1880s Wasn't it? Mrs. Carroll","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=124.0,170.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: 1870 1870s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=171.0,172.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: All right. Tell us a little bit about Lionel and Baron Jayco. First they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=173.0,176.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: came as young boys, they hid away in one of the covered wagon things, the freight cars, and they came to Tucson from San Francisco. But they were found and returned to San Francisco. But when they got older, they one of them came their father had a banking business in San Francisco. And so he sent them out to open up this territory in banking. And first came Baron Jacobs and then came Lionel Jacobs. And I remember them was very elegant gentleman. I can remember Uncle Lionel out in his backyard with doing little gardening and he always wore gloves and a white shirt with his sleeves turned up and a hat and quite formal, very formal, always looking. And he had a lovely two story house which first was Uncle barons? And we there is a menu which interests me, which my cousin Barry and Drake sent me. She was barons, granddaughter. And so she sent this to me and I gave it to the historical Arizona Historical Society. But it has a mania, which one wouldn't believe for July it was for what is when Lionel was coming. And he was introducing Lionel to his friends. And he had this great feast really, and they always had Chinese cooks. We had so many Chinese gentlemen, really for cooks. And it ended well he had oysters from Imus and he had fish and and meat all these different courses. I think it was maybe eight or 10 courses, and they ended with plum pudding which always amused me. And it was it was in August in in July.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=177.0,292.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It was an elegantly printed menu to is on satin with French on satin with three now How was it then that your father came to Tucson?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=293.0,302.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, they had lent my father the money to go to the University of California. And so he's my grandfather, my father, see on Franklin graduated from the University of California. And then he took the law course, became a lawyer started to paper in San Bernardino, where his family lived, and then came to Tucson. And because his brother Abraham Franklin was then in northern Arizona, and he wanted to kind of get in touch with him also. So he came to Tucson and was elected to the legislature when he was 24. And that's when he just so recently out of the University of California, decided that Arizona would, it would be very good for Arizona to have a university, even though they didn't have a prep school, or a high school, but he did make the speech to the legislature that got the university here. It was a compromise as people know, because really Tucson wanted the penitentiary or wanted the insane a sound. So this was just a trade off. But they got the university here,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=303.0,386.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: where he was rather rather brilliant young man, he must have been your father because he established a a fine law practice was in politics as a very early man. And then his move to bring the university here was really a coup, wasn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=387.0,401.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It was and he got it to be a land grant college because he was the only one who had a college education. Well, isn't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=402.0,410.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: it true that he became the first professor at the University? Wasn't that so? Yeah, yes. And a professor of agricultural field he really knew nothing about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=411.0,419.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, and he was also a violinist. In fact, when I first saw I was thinking this morning, when I first saw Fritz Kreisler, the great musician of his day, violinist in Boston. When I was there in college, he reminded me so much of my father he was so such a gentle person, and such a sensitive person. And in all my life, I never heard my father raised his voice he was he was very, very thoughtful person. And he loved to quote Shakespeare, when it was a good thing that he would, as we kept would come in, he would say her ratio, or do I forget myself or things like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=420.0,467.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I wanted to explain to our viewers, he became the first professor to university because becoming a land grant college we had to have agriculture taught. And he was the only one around with the college degree. So the first professor was a was a professor of agriculture who did not have an agricultural background, but he filled a vital role. And that is how the university got started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=468.0,490.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes, that was the money that was I believe that was the money they mostly started on. So that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=491.0,498.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: was now what I like to do now is we'll take a short break, and then I want to come back and I want to give a little bit of the speech that your father made to the 13th territorial legislature to get the university to do so good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=499.0,570.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Want to go back now to the founding of the University of Arizona and the great part played by your father, and I always felt that he must have been something of a master of psychology because he served in the 13th territorial legislature, which at that time was known as the thieving third teeth because the thieving third teeth had a reputation of members feathering their own pockets and corruption that would have done done well in the Watergate days. And your father wanted the university here. And he tried to determine how was he going to get the University. He went to the 13 territorial legislature, which met in 1885. And Prescott. And I want to give you some of the some of the remarks he made that they he's stood up looking at it, this corrupt group of legislators. And these are some of the actual words that he said that they Salem Frankl at the 13th territorial legislature trying to bring the University of Arizona into existence, he turned to this corrupt group and said, But gentlemen, here is an opportunity to wash away our sins. Let us establish an institution of learning. Let us pass this bill, creating a university where for all time to come, the youth of this land may have opportunities of education, where they may learn to be better citizens, and we are and all our shortcomings will be forgotten in a misty past, and we will be remembered only for this one great achievement. And with that marvelous below psychological speechmaking. He got the bill passed, and the University of Arizona was established in Tucson. So it was really it was a fabulous piece of work. Did he have this little touch of psychological expertise?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=571.0,681.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think he, I think perhaps he did. But Tucson was very angry with what they got. There was a Mr. Stevens was in the upper house at that time. Yes. And they were very angry at both of them, especially with Mr. Stevens, for some reason he was older. Chris Daddy was only 24. So they were very unhappy. But it proved to be such a wonderful thing here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=682.0,709.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, they felt they just weren't businessman felt they couldn't make any money out of a university. And as I remember, the story goes when Mr. Stevens got up to speak and tell about what they accomplished, he was booed and hissed. And they threw things at him. And it said that they even threw a dead cat that Mr. Stevens","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=710.0,729.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: about the ultimate wasn't it that was about the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=730.0,731.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: ultimate disrespect. I want to turn back to your days of growing up in the house that you still live in today. What was Tucson like in those days?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=732.0,741.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, so simple and so pleasant, at least for us. And we lived in a neighborhood where there were plenty of children. And we went to the Davis school. There were no paved streets in Tucson. I think that Main Street, our street and stone Avenue. And perhaps Congress, were the first paved streets in town, and the first ones was streetlights. But I remember going to school the day of school in when there was mud, on the way in the Chinese grocery store, where you could get penny candy. And it was interesting to me that the children were not allowed to speak one word of Spanish on the playgrounds. And so unfortunately, I didn't learn Spanish as a child. But the boys did, because they played after school with the Mexican boys, and they learned Spanish playing baseball. And then we're friends. But we went home going south and the Mexican children, whom we became very fond of. They would go the other direction. And everybody went straight home from school in those days, and so I didn't really have the opportunity of learning Spanish that way. And you felt Yes, I would wish very much I knew Spanish now, which I don't. I took at the university, but not enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=742.0,830.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The growing up in those days, you say it was a softer society. And yet, when we look at the history of as written by the popular television writers, they this was a hard, tough rough town of gangsters and Desperados. And we live by the gun they tell us but that was really the case was it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=831.0,849.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: not at all. And my mother even lived in Tombstone before that. And they had a lovely life and tombstone when they my grandfather defended people like quiet Earth, but even so their social life was entirely different. And there was no no danger of gangsters hurting the other class of people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=850.0,875.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's very interesting, because youngsters growing up today they have the Hollywood version of the Old West and that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=876.0,881.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: was well, that was that that was the they had their gangsters just like we do now. I suppose. They're organized. Little groups of people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=882.0,893.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You said your father used to defend wider my grandfather grandfather Colonel","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=894.0,897.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: hearing Oh, Harrington he was a lawyer. Yes. He come out from New York City. He was left the mines in Bisbee. And he came out to develop them. And then the man who came out a German geologist came up to evaluate it and said there was there was nothing in Bisbee, no silver, no copper. And so they sold the mines and he came to Tucson to practice law with his daughter, who was the first my Aunt Sarah sarin. Sauron was the first woman lawyer in Arizona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=898.0,937.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And that was when,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=938.0,939.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: oh, it was in 18, about 1896","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=940.0,947.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Because that was a rarity at that time for a woman lawyer, wasn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=948.0,950.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes. And she went before the United States. In Washington Supreme Court, the Supreme Court and won her case and she was the first woman unassisted, who had appeared before the so that was quite a plant greater","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=951.0,966.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: comfort, and we'll be taking a break now we'll be back in just a moment, again to talk some more. on the campus of the University of Arizona, there's a Franklin building, where I teach journalism, you do, right and there was a herring Hall, at one time was a gymnasium for women's basketball. And that was a, I think, a college for and landscape architecture. Nowhere else on the entire campus. Are there two buildings named from two people from one family and they're both from your family, Mrs. Carroll. And I'd like you to talk a little bit about Colonel haring and that side of the family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=967.0,1055.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, he was then the Chancellor of the University. And he was also for the lawyer for the the big mining company, so upstyles Dodge, and so when he won a case, the Phelps dodge gave it gave this building. I think first it was used for the men's gymnasium. And they gave it with a stipulation that be named the hearing Hall. So that's how that got,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=1056.0,1085.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I want to tell you a funny story about Harry Hall, which was confessed to me by pop McHale, who was athletic director at University of Arizona for many years, whom you know, he had the Jim herring Hall for his, as you say, for the men's basketball. And he was told one day that the women were going to get the hall for a tournament. And he was very upset because in those days, women athletics had no place on campus and both be very minor league. And this story hasn't been told very much. But the truth is, he confessed to me that he got one of his students to go in the night before the girls were to play and flooded the floor so that they can use the gymnasium the next day. Very tricky.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=1086.0,1128.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, it was used in later for a girls you gymnasium. And the girls went, in my day I graduated 1923 were awarded a circle A's smaller and I was one of the first ones to get those and I still have a picture of us of the first group of a woman but then it was used for dances to we had when I was in college. All the dances took place in herring. No. We didn't have the big well sometimes down at the armory park that place but we didn't have them in the big hotels. Life was so nice and simple them but he came to he practiced law in Tombstone tombstone was then the largest city between I believe it was larger than Los Angeles. It was between San Francisco and I don't know where but port under something between San Francisco and perhaps Dallas or something like that. Well, it was it was considered a large place and But there were many lawyers there. So what after they flooded the minds in Tombstone people left. And he went to post the letter one night and there was no one on the street and he decided it was no place to raise his family. So they all took vote as to where to go to Phoenix or to Tucson. And they all voted for Tucson except my mother, who voted to stay in Tombstone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=1129.0,1225.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I wanted to ask you, did you did the the colonel ever talk to you about why it or what sort of a person he was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=1226.0,1232.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, I think that he only only defended people he thought was were innocent. And for whatever it was, now, my grandfather died when I was 12. So and you know, there were two worlds, there was a world of the grown ups and there were the world, the children, and you knew the grown ups loved you, but they didn't talk to you much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=1233.0,1256.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So the family moved to Tucson them by vote. Yeah. Information.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=1257.0,1260.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes. And but in Tombstone, they had lovely life, they had tennis courts, and they instead of the telephone, they had the wireless, and they had wireless sets. And my mother and her friends would use the Morse code and, and make arrangements with each other. And there were many mining engineers there. So there were plenty of men for social life. And there were many very cultured people. At that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=1261.0,1292.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I want to turn Tim stone turn to your life. You've lived in this home for so long. And you've seen Tucson change so dramatically. Do you have a feeling that Tucson passed you by your What are your feelings living in the same same home in that that area of the city?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=1293.0,1309.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, I don't feel like it's passing by I feel like I'm still hanging in there. But I love our part of Tucson. And it has changed, it is changed some but not materially. But one man bought many of the old homes and, and had them all torn down as an investment. And so it's a very small neighborhood compared to what it used to be. But we didn't lock the doors. It was so nice. We had tramps come from the railroad nearby. But we and they were always fed. And you're never afraid of them. And during the depression later, the first depression in 1929, I used to my children were very small down and we used to have kind of my children always wanted to eat with the tramps and so we had swing in the backyard, and they'd all go out and have a picnic. But we were never I was never afraid of any of those young transients that were on the road. But now it's so different. I mean, I it's not the way that town has grown to me so much. It's the way that people have changed the trust that you don't can't have now that you used to. That comes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=1310.0,1387.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: from bigness, though, doesn't it in any city,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=1388.0,1389.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I suppose. So you get all the other elements. That's true. It's a result of the bigness,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=1390.0,1395.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that you're living in an area that was really the core of Tucson in your days, wasn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=1396.0,1400.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, yes, we didn't go any further than, say upper Congress Street. And the university was a little out of town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=1401.0,1411.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: When Mrs. Carroll I want to tell you it's been charming having to hear to relate a great period of Tucson history. We appreciate very much and I thank you for being with us. And I want you to be back with us next week. When I witnessed the history brings you another distinguished guest","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217#t=1412.0,1414.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74357/file/160217/transcript/38298/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/038/298/original/azu_ms685-010_a.vtt?1654113807","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/038/298/original/azu_ms685-010_a.vtt?1654113807"}]}]}]}