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So we're recording that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2.0,6.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=7.0,7.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: All right, let's get started. This is Trent Purdy. It's April 620, 26 I'm sitting here with Brian Mock in Tucson, Arizona. We're doing an oral history for the Downtown Performance Center Oral History Project to be donated to the University of Arizona's Special Collections Library. Thank you for allowing me into your house, Brian. Thank you. Thank you. So I'm hoping we could start at the very beginning. How did you discover and get involved in the Tucson Underground Music Singapore?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=8.0,34.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Well, I moved here. Sorry, I moved here in 1994 to go to U of A. I was at my fourth year of college, so I grew up kind of in Phoenix. And can I? Is it okay to talk about that for a second? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=35.0,47.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: sure. Go as much as you want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=48.0,48.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: I was I was in bands in Phoenix, like and performed at places like the Silver Dollar Club in Phoenix and whatever hardcore bands and other weirdo bands. And I transferred here in 1994, and of course I had gone to the DPC in '93. I don't think '92, but I think '93. I definitely saw a bunch of shows, and so I would come down, and it was like Tucson's weird, and you know Phoenix didn't have like. I've read about this place, the the the Vex in East LA, where the the kind of Chicano punk scene had the Vex, where they had like a community, like an art center, like a performance center, and they had a book room and reading, and that's what the DPC was like to me. We didn't have that really in Phoenix, and so coming to the DPC from Phoenix was always like, well, there's this weird, just kind of community space, and like I had gone to shows in the late '80s, like '88, '89, at like Pipefitters Union and VFW, and they were punk rock, they were punk shows, and they were super dangerous and kind of gnarly. So coming to the DPC, I was like, \"Oh, this place is chill, you know. There's like a reading room, and and there's like you know like a little library area that Steve had and and I think Matt Bevel had stuff you know sculpture stuff in the background or whatever and it was like well this is trippy this is a cool this is a cool spot and so so it was just very different and so then when I moved here I would go to shows I wouldn't go to you know. I don't think I went to like every show, but I went to a lot, 9495","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=49.0,144.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah. So you kind of covered the tail end. 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What do you mean by that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=150.0,157.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Well, I mean, Tucson had like a an element like the culture was like we're from Tucson we're kind of like the underdog to Phoenix and Phoenix is like that pretends to be LA or whatever so I was caught in this like oh everyone hates Phoenix I didn't know this you know so they're like oh you're from Phoenix never and and so I was like that's cool I live here now you know whatever and so I was like trying to ingratiate myself into the scene or whatever, and meet people, and yeah, it was just I didn't Phoenix, especially like shows at the Silver Dollar Club downtown, there were promoters and it was political, you know, like I got on like our my whatever hardcore band got to open up for all kinds of bands, you know, Green Day or the Offspring or whatever, because we just knew the guys, you know, and it was political. Like, who knows who to get on the bill? And in Tucson, it just seemed like, hey, we're all here. Like, all the everyone's cool. Everyone gets to play.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=158.0,215.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=216.0,215.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: and it wasn't a political like pecking order.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=216.0,217.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=218.0,218.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: at least that was my my sense of it, as a 20-one-year-old, I you know, I that's what it seemed like to me, and I didn't, I wasn't in any bands here at the time, but because I was just a full-time student and trying to get to know people and stuff, and I didn't know that many people, and but I lived with like kind of some punk rock skater guys in a house, and we would come to shows.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=219.0,241.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=242.0,242.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: yeah. So it was, yeah. I guess weird is in that it was just different than what I was expecting or what I was used to. You know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=243.0,250.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So when I when I interviewed C by, he talked about how what you kind of mentioned there was two songs. The DBC felt was very tight knit and almost the people who went there were territorial in a way. Okay. So did you feel that you kind of experienced that when people found out you were from oh yeah for sure it was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=251.0,268.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: like yeah yeah yeah there was definitely like a hazing you know almost like for a while and but you know it was like at the same time that I felt that, and I felt like kind of an outsider, because all these people were like locals, and I was like, I don't know any of these people. I'm just whatever. I still, it was still cool. Like it was still, yeah. It wasn't, yeah. It was still somewhat welcoming. Okay. Yeah, I mean, I mean, there was a scene I wasn't part of, so. It was like all these people I don't know, and all these bands I don't know, but it still it was I still went out. I didn't avoid it, you know. It was interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=269.0,306.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So you were at the UVA at the time, but you were also kind of a punker. Yeah. Did you see a lot of like college kids hanging out at the DBC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=307.0,315.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Well, I remember not really. You know, I was yeah, I was a skateboarder, and and I would I would I was kind of the tail end of my skateboarding era, and I remember I I would go to sometimes meet up with a woman who's like the older sister of a friend of mine in Phoenix, and she was at the U of A, but God, you know, and my roommate Harold Garland, who used to, he was in all kinds of bands. He was he worked at the the Cup Cafe. He was in the band Chango Malo. He was one of my roommates, and we would go. But yeah, I didn't. I don't. I didn't really notice. I didn't notice a lot of U of A.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=316.0,355.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=356.0,355.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Yeah, at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=356.0,357.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: It seemed like kind of what through these interviews, I've been doing it's kind of a eclectic mix of kids and and not just kids, older people too. We're going to the shows. Were you seeing that happening? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=358.0,370.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: for sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=371.0,371.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, like, were you seeing like gutter punks or what were the type of people you were seeing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=372.0,375.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Yeah, yeah, gutter. I'm trying to think. Gutter punks, people in other, you know, just people in whatever garage bands like the Fells, you know, or people in, you know, probably Lana Rebels band. I don't know if she was in that band, Ventingari. I can't remember. But yeah, Tucson. How did I describe them back then? They were sort of like there was a definitely a Tucson","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=376.0,400.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: vibe","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=401.0,400.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: of maybe gutter punk type people, sure, but kind of I don't know stonery Tucson weirdo bands, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=401.0,410.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=411.0,411.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: And arty, very arty, and yeah, it was it was totally, yeah, it was it was a new kind of scene for me, for sure. Yeah, one of the gym","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=412.0,421.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: pregnant. like sensory impressions of the place because I remember going there about when you were probably attending, and all I really remember is you know vague flashes in my head. Yeah, it being obviously very dark inside, no windows, correct. Smelling of reeking of cigarettes as it smokes, coming home and just reeking. What what are your thoughts on that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=422.0,439.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: I don't remember the cigarette smoke, but I'm sure that was the case. Yeah, a big cavern, like kind of a dark, big caverny warehouse, art space, and very open, just open space. It was weird, and the stage for a while was was on kind of facing south. I think at one point they moved it over to this side towards the very end, maybe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=440.0,461.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I remember being on the north side in that stage. Oh, excuse me, north facing south.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=462.0,465.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Does that make sense? 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In the beginning, okay. I think you're right. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=473.0,476.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Yeah. Yeah, and just this. It was just kind of this. Yeah, the stage was just kind of there, and there was a lot of open, unused space. 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It could be anyone, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=606.0,610.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: That was kind of. I mean, I went to a handful of shows that were large, but the vast majority were 2030, people. Yeah, maybe. Yeah, and majority that's probably the other bands,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=611.0,621.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: right? 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We'd come down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=634.0,634.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=635.0,635.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Yeah, yeah, a few buddies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=636.0,637.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: You want to talk about some memorable shows you want to say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=638.0,641.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I mean, sure. I mean, the Addicts was certainly one because I I loved them and and they they showed up with I think it was with the UK subs, but they showed up and they had lost their bass player. Like I don't know if he couldn't make the trip over, but they they didn't have a bass player, so they they poached some dude from a local opening band of which I can't remember, it might have been not from Tucson. It might have been someone they were touring with, and they gave them. They went and got him a. They went to Roosfish and Chips on South Fourth, and they got him a shirt because it had a Union Jack on it. Right, they had to make him look British. They made him wear all white, and he had never played bass, I think. And they were teaching him, and they were so angry with this guy because guitar player was trying to teach him how to play. And I just remember thinking, like, this is so like amateury. But then they had all this confetti. 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Yeah, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=709.0,709.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: think their bass player had quit or something before the tour back in wherever England, and yeah, so they they had this like dude just trying to play bass. 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And I remember thinking like, this guy's got a Ruth's fish and I think it was called Ruth's, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=724.0,729.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=730.0,730.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Sue's fish and chips, South Fourth. 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I still know Descendants guys, and I was like, I'm used to seeing them in Phoenix. Sold out. And I came down, 20 people, and yep. And they were playing with Ed Hall from Austin, I think Ed Hall was from Austin, and a couple bands from Seattle or whatever. And that was amazing because I was like, oh, I can like see my favorite. There's no one here, and it's so weird. And I remember the drummer Bill was like, what's up with your town? It like shuts down at six. It did. Tucson did shut down at six. 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The very first time I saw a kid with a mohawk was oh really at the TPC and I was like you know there was nothing like that on the east side of Tucson where where I grew up like none of my friends I think even had a Mohawk so it was like almost kind of like shocking to me right oh this kind of thing actually exists yeah still yeah yeah 1010","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=817.0,835.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: or 15 years after people like yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=836.0,838.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=839.0,839.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: you know going back to when I went to shows in '88, '89 in Phoenix and Tempe, there were people with Mohawks, but it was like it was dangerous. You know, it was like you had to really watch. Like there was no security; it was a bingo halls, cement floors. You know, similar type of place. But then when I came here, I was like, oh shit, there's people with Mohawks, but everyone was like friendly. Yeah, it wasn't what I was used to. Like Phoenix, there were skinheads would show up. Another all show I went to, Bad Religion had been on the bill, but they canceled, and it was in Phoenix. And it was skinheads would show up, and they killed someone. 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At least once a week. Yeah. Did you ever? Did you have any interactions or any remembrances of any local bands you were particularly fond of? Or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=917.0,926.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: yeah, let's. I mean, the you know I I definitely saw the Fells. I think that band Ventingari, which I can't remember what they became, if they became Alana Rebels' other band, which I'm spacing on what they were called. Who else played? There was a band called Star Crunch that played. God, I should have looked at the list. I should have looked at those old flyers because I would have remembered. At the top of my head, I'll have to get back to you. 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I mean, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1010.0,1014.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: had to be really careful, probably like you did too, with like, what can I afford to go to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1015.0,1018.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1019.0,1019.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Like there were so many crazy amounts of shows.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1020.0,1022.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Right. So let's let's talk about all the different shows that were happening because the DPC was happening at the time, but also since you were 21 and over, you could go to other venues. So how how would like I'm assuming you went to like Club Congress or like what was that? The airplane lounge was the place, right? Airport Lounge. Airport Lounge. Yeah. And so, if you attended those, how did you feel those compared not only to each other but to the DPC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1023.0,1043.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Well, I never, I weirdly never went to. I didn't really drink until like my mid 20s or something, because I was always just like a student studying, and I didn't know about downtown because I was new here. So my my the guys I lived with were maybe one or two years younger, or maybe the same age. We knew about the DPC and skate spots and ditches, and maybe a house party. You know, so we'd see like, we'd see like Alphal and Port Torta and at a house party. You know, those bands a lot. Alphal a lot, Portora a lot, and Durac. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1044.0,1081.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Durac. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1082.0,1081.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Yeah. So I didn't go. I did go to the airport lounge. I remember Neil was the bouncer. He was really scary. Yeah. Still is scary. My my. He had this like haircut and he had muscles. And I remember my roommate and I. He won't mind me. I hope Neil doesn't care if I say this. We used to call him Rollins. Like, oh, Rollins is running the door. 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So I went to yeah airport lounge and and the double zero downtown and the the whole the the the theater congress, which was a very short lived venue across from the grill, I saw like one show there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1122.0,1141.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay, what was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1142.0,1142.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: 90-seven. What was the what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1143.0,1144.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: What was that name? It","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1145.0,1145.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: was called Theater Congress.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1146.0,1147.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, okay. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1148.0,1147.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: it had un. It was the only place I've ever been to, at least at the time, that had unisex bathrooms. Yeah, totally. And it was 90-seven. I think it was only around then. 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I don't know, garagey, something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1187.0,1190.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Circling back a little bit to the DPC, you talked about how you were into skateboarding, and I know you know Bruce and Steve. I that's how they came up. The skateboarding scene in Philadelphia. Oh, cool! Kind of transferred over here to Tucson. They did. I know, like early days of the DPC, they had like a skateboarding event. 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Did you have like a crew here of skaters at the event?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1235.0,1239.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Just those roommates, Harold and this guy Mike Pierce, those two guys I would skate with a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1240.0,1245.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Where would you guys go?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1246.0,1246.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: U of A.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1247.0,1247.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: U","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1248.0,1248.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: of A. We'd go to these banks off of I think it was on. It was between Grant and Fort Lowell on Columbus, right in there. There's apartments there now, but there was these really great banks there, downtown federal building. Is that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1249.0,1262.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: the blocks? Do you remember that? All my friends in high school were skaters. 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The one on Columbus,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1273.0,1273.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: it might have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1274.0,1274.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: been. I didn't. I don't know. I skate. 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I think the Pixies had played there, and Jade's Addiction had played there, and I don't remember who else. It was a cool hangout down there, you know, like Louis's lower level or whatever. 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Which is anything like odd that kind of happened or interesting?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1368.0,1373.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Yeah, I'll tell you a funny story. I just remember this, and and I and I mean, if I saw pictures, I might be able to go, that dude was at every show or whatever that I went to, but one of my favorite bands we were talking about. You mentioned Amphetamine Reptile earlier was the Cows, and I loved the Cows and they were super weird, and they Supernova opened for them, and it was in '94 because I lived here. It was '94, '9, yeah, it was '94, fall of 94 I think, and so Supernova and the cows played, and of course no one there, and the singer from the like this the cows were pretty like I thought they were kind of like they're a little bit like off putting like a little scary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1374.0,1414.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I never saw the cows. 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Anyway, he showed up with a wig, and he's doing this weird like, like marching thing that was like this dude's unstable, like whatever. Weird. It was all kind of an act or whatever. But I remember someone went up at the show. He was wearing a wig, right? This guy went up and grabbed. Oh, I know! Like he kept jabbing at him or something. And Shannon Selberg, the the singer, kicked the guy like hard, I think. And the guy grabbed his wig and ran ran out back. During the show, the band keeps playing. Shannon, the singer, runs after him. I guess, gets it. They get in a fight, maybe or something. It's kind of I remember it was legendary. You could read about it online or whatever. And came back and they finished the show. But I was like, dude, anything can happen at this place. Yeah, you know. Yeah. 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That band, this band Choke Boar, also on Amphetamine Reptile, they played there. I don't think it was the same show. They were like Nirvana had taken some of these bands on tour, so they kind of had a little bit of a name for themselves or whatever. But kind of noisy bands. But yeah, that cows show was bonkers. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1498.0,1524.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: interesting. Yeah, it was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1525.0,1525.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: bonkers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1526.0,1526.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I've always seen that name. I don't think I've ever actually heard them for whatever reason. Yeah, yeah. 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Yeah, but black kind of hardcore version.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1532.0,1534.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: That's I um I wasn't attending these types of shows at the time, but it seems like at least in the early to mid '90s, a lot of people took their performance esthetic from the butthole servers. Like there was always like a lot of bands had like this grandiose stage presence with like the wacky lead singer doing crazy things. 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Yeah, random, totally random","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1598.0,1611.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 8: artwork. Yeah, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1612.0,1612.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: but art everywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1613.0,1613.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And how it mixed like with like these hardcore and crazy shows that we're having. So weird. Yeah, it's pretty interesting. Did you? I spoke with one of the people I interviewed was named Van Van Boley. 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Did did you ever do that? Any experience talking with other people or just what it was like being in that parking lot?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1648.0,1656.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Yeah, yeah, it was definitely like a tailgating type of almost vibe, I guess you could say, just hanging out, waiting for Steve to you know bike up and open up the place, or in between bands. Yeah, for sure, for sure. And bands would come hang out. I mean, it was an extension of what was inside too. You know, you could hang out with a dude from talk to the guy from the UK subs or whatever, and or people from college or whatever skate bros and you know I don't know whatever like people or like oh I saw you at the whatever show last month and you know what are you gonna what are you looking forward to or whatever so yeah definitely the parking lot was interesting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1657.0,1695.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so the DBC ran from 91 to 95 I think the last last shows. I think july 30 or 31st I have to look at the the tater tot. Did you go into any of those final days? 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Like as a student, I my grant, you know, my student loan would would pay for August","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1723.0,1728.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: to okay","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1729.0,1728.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: through May, and so summers I usually went to my mom's place in Phoenix. I could put all my crap in storage or in my car, really, or I would find a place, move, let them like let me put my stuff there. So I was not here a lot in the summer. So I missed so much. 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You know, I mean, it was like who's gonna fill this,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1752.0,1759.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1760.0,1759.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: You know, and later on, I mean, it was a while until I think Scrappy's opened. Yeah, I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1760.0,1763.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Scrappy's like 90-seven, so a good yeah, at least.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1764.0,1766.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: There's definitely a vacuum, and it was like, well, where where our show's going to be? 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Like I wasn't a lot of the bands that came through. Like I wasn't going out to bars on like whatever school night. You know what I mean? Like to hang out. 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How you would even research? I guess you would have to look at different listings from the time period. Like, what bands would frequently come through Tucson, but stop once the DBC closed? You know, because you know, but bands like Stereolab played here a lot. Like Rancid, like Green Day played here a couple times. Yeah, and obviously Fugazi, right? Because he was close with with Steve. So it'd be kind of interesting to think about, like, all right, well, yeah, he's closed, so forget it. We're not going through too soon. Well, the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1797.0,1824.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Luna Loca didn't that start up somewhat? 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I probably went to a few, but I only remember seeing the band Zeke, the punk band Zeke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1839.0,1844.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1845.0,1845.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: And I, no one knew about him. I had knew known about him because they're from Seattle, and I had lived in Seattle growing up. And a buddy of mine gave me their tape, and he he's like, \"You got to see this band. So I went, and Andrew Gardner was the promoter for Bruce, and it was me and Andrew Gardner, and Zeke at the time were like trying to get off the singers trying to get off heroin and wanted to. He was yelling at me like, \"Where's? or he's yelling at everyone like, \"Where's a hippie? I need a hippie. I need a hippie food health store, and I was like the co-op, but of course everything's closed, and he had to like FedEx a urine sample back to his probation officer. Okay, and then I was like, \"Are you guys gonna play? 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More indie bands, you know, like Low and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1891.0,1901.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1902.0,1901.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: and like Polvo played there. I think I only went to that Zeke show, and then it wasn't even a show.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1902.0,1909.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, yeah, and I wonder again. You know, Steve was the primary booker for the DBC, and I don't think he did. He didn't do any booking, as far as I know, yeah, until I think solar culture opened up, so yeah, I'd be curious. 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It wasn't. It was so DPC is like irreplaceable.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1970.0,1978.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1979.0,1978.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: you know, it just it was cool. Scrapies was cool, but it wasn't. It just didn't have the same energy or vibe or whatever. You know, I mean, it didn't have like a little book reading magazine zine room. You know how like Groundworks today has their little like it was like a big version of Groundworks. Now that I think about it, so Scrappy's was not, yeah, it was not that. It was okay, but I had, yeah, I had kind of aged out of all ages shows, which I should have still gone. Well, I mean,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=1979.0,2013.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so that's kind of in on my end. Is there anything else you want to cover or talk about, or any other like memorable things you want to bring up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2014.0,2019.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: I'm trying to think. I don't. I don't think so. I was looking at these. At these. Let me just take one more peek here at these questions because I had kind of thought of some things, and I should have. Oh, thank you. Yeah, perfect. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2020.0,2039.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: You don't need to worry about thinking out loud.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2040.0,2053.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: I think I I think I pretty much covered it. For me, it was a weird mix of of outsider insider. You know, like I was a local officially, but I was still an outsider, and I had a unique perspective from from Phoenix to here. And I sort of, for a while, didn't feel like I belonged anywhere because I'd moved from there. But I, Tucson was very like towny, you know, like super towny. I mean, there's still people like that today, you know. Where like I've actually always lived here, and it's like okay, whatever. I mean, that's cool, you know. But definitely that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2054.0,2086.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Do you think that that prevented you from doing anything you would have pursued?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2087.0,2091.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Yeah, probably like having the courage to like start bands with people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2092.0,2095.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2096.0,2095.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: was very much like you're not from here, and that was. You know, so while it was a cool place where you could go and and hang out and see all these different shows and stuff, I I think Tucson couldn't help at the time. Like even the DPC, like it was still a townie. Like you're not from like you're not from here, and if you were from here, you'd know this band and you'd know this person and you'd know this person. And I was like, I don't I don't know them and I don't go out that much so yeah it was it still you know what it still suffered from that and and it was too bad because I I loved it but I also felt like I'm like judged you know I mean I even remember like remember Mike's place","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2096.0,2136.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah yeah","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2137.0,2137.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: I remember a show there and and I had like my U of A mug, you know. I had a coffee mug that I bought at the bookstore, whatever, like a travel mug. And I remember someone being like, \"U of A sucks. I'm like, \"Dude, I can't even be like, I can't even be a student at the U of A. Like, it's the biggest employer probably in the city at the time. Like, I'm just a student, dude. Like, it was like you were not cool if you went to the U of A or were from Phoenix, you know. And so I'm telling you, for a long time, man. Like I was very like, oh boy, here we go. Like I'm not from here originally, and yeah, yeah, it was it sucked. Yeah. So yeah, it did probably stop me from because I I had an ad up like the first thing I did when I moved here, I went into Toxic Ranch and I put an ad, and I was like, I had sang in a hardcore band and then kind of a weirdo kind of fall Jane's Addictiony influence band when I was a teenager. Okay, and I had a flyer up like, experience like have seven inch out whatever like never got one phone call.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2138.0,2197.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Really,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2198.0,2197.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: never not one phone call, and I was like, damn! And I would check on. I'd go into you know Toxic Ranch and check on it, like because my ad's still up. And I was like, okay, whatever. Like I guess I'm just a you know a spectator.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2198.0,2212.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Can you advance because people just didn't recognize your name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2213.0,2214.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Yeah, totally. You just put","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2215.0,2216.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: like the U of A logo. I didn't draw","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2217.0,2219.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: a wild. I didn't put like Scottsdale based. You know that would have been like the kiss of death. Been in bands and played in Phoenix a lot. No, I didn't. But I felt like yeah, because people didn't know my name, which you know of course like no one's gonna know your name, and I was way more of an introvert then than I am now. But I remember being like, damn Tucson, like I would have got a bunch of calls in Phoenix. Yeah, you know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2220.0,2243.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: that's really interesting. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2244.0,2244.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: it was. It sucked. It was like, yeah, yeah. There was definitely like I remember this one guy. I wish I could remember his name. I want to say it was Keith, but I don't think it was Keith. But I met him in a show. I met this guy at the DPC, and I remember him being like, \"Oh, you, you, you like these bands and these bands, and we struck up a friendship, and he lived on the way east side, like like around Pantano and Speedway, and I remember I went and he was like, let's let's play records one night, you know. So I was like, cool, I'll pick. I had to go pick him up. He brought a bunch of his seven inches over to my house on 22nd and and Tucson, where I lived, and I had a bedroom, and we played seven inches, and he was like, there was just like a kind of like I'll be friends with you, but you're not from here, kind of whatever. And then he was like real terrent, like I remember I was like I accidentally like smudged my thumb on the seven inch. He's like, you've scratched my record. I'm like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm sorry, and I, I'm telling you, I don't think I ever heard from that dude again, you know, because like his Jacko Fire seven inch, like I, I don't even know if I scratched, like it was just like you touched my the groove and you probably scratched my Jacko Fire. I'm like, dude, I'll buy you a Jack of Fire seven inch, like whatever, man. Yeah, and so then I took whatever. I it was awkward, and then I don't think I ever heard from that dude. Yeah, it was yeah. 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I mean I would be annoyed if someone accidentally scratched a record, but I was like dude, I'm I was trying to put it on fit it on the turntable. You know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2330.0,2339.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: this guy all over 10 minutes, and you go get pissed off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2340.0,2342.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Yeah, yeah, and he had all these obscure records, and we would see each other at shows and stuff. And I was like, \"Oh, this is going to be my new friend. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2343.0,2350.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: then","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2351.0,2350.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: I was like, \"Nope, I didn't pass the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2351.0,2353.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: How long did it take you to feel like you were comfortable here in town to like finally start playing games? And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2354.0,2359.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: oh man, oh, it seemed like it took a while. Like, I mean, once I, yeah, like I see, I moved here in '94, probably like I don't know, 810, years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2360.0,2375.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Wow! You know, interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2376.0,2376.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Yeah, yeah. I mean, a lot of that time I was just in, you know, I was in school or graduate school, and then started becoming. I became a teacher, and so you could, you can never, you know, I was like working all the time, you know, whatever, starting a career. But I would go out all the time and and see shows and stuff. But yeah, it was it was a while. Yeah, it was a. It felt like it took a while before people were like, you know, I felt like. I can talk to Neil and not feel no. I love Neil, but like people like Neil, you know. Or I'm like I'm not like you know I'm no longer like an outsider or something, you know. So yeah, it took a while. I was like, man, Tucson's tough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2377.0,2412.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, yeah. Well, we're glad you got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2413.0,2415.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: comfortable. Yeah, I mean not everyone does not, you know. It was like territorial, you know, and Phoenix wasn't never. People would like, maybe people definitely would. It was funny because I would go back to Phoenix and they're like, \"Dudes on stupid and sucks. I'm like, \"It's actually cool, you know. And then they're like, \"Yeah, whatever. Tucson's Lane. Where do they have one place to play? And I'm like, \"Okay, whatever, you know. And then I would come back here. This is the first few years of going back and forth. I come back here. Phoenix sucks. I'm like, you guys, like, what can I do? Like, I'm just trying to hang out, you know. Like, also, I'm at your show. Like, I just","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2416.0,2453.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: want to see cows. Let me look.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2454.0,2455.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Yeah, totally. Or I would just want to see like the Durag play and Alfal played a party, and it was like, who do you know? And it was like, oh my god, like whatever, you guys, like we're all 20-three. Like, can people just chill? You know? It's funny. Yeah, it was it was hardcore territorial, but I kind of get it because you know it was like they got made fun of by Phoenix or whatever. I know it was always like a weird, you know, whatever","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2456.0,2480.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: perceived slights that probably ungrounded in any way. Totally, and and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2481.0,2485.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: I would I was I would always stump people. I'd be like, oh, you hate Phoenix? What do you hate about it? What what specifically do you? Oh, it's just like driving. I'm like, yeah, I I know the driving. What do you hate about it? Well, it seems like there's not anywhere. I'm like, do you know anything in like where have you been that you hate? Well, I've never really just drived through. Okay, you don't know anything, and then I would I would go to Phoenix. I'm like, what do you guys hate about Tucson? Well, it's just small, and I'm like, that's not something to hate. Like it's cool, it's super cool. And me in the back of my mind, I'm like, except I'm like, shit, I go back. It's been a weird experience, you know. But yeah. Anyways, I've been here almost 30-two years,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2486.0,2523.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 10: and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2524.0,2524.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: I feel like a Tucsonan. And I really like, you know, I wanted to jump on this because I was like, oh man, I love the DPC, and I knew you would ask him, you know, great questions and put together a really cool","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2525.0,2535.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah project. I really appreciate you reaching out. Yeah, it's been a fun experience, and you know, I don't know what's gonna, what this is all gonna turn into, but sure,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2536.0,2544.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 6: yeah, yeah. Appreciate your time, man. Absolutely, thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2545.0,2547.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/271","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Appreciate it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001#t=2548.0,2550.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174670/file/314001/transcript/95198/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/095/198/original/azu_ms858-012_edit_a_transcript.vtt?1783980108","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/095/198/original/azu_ms858-012_edit_a_transcript.vtt?1783980108"}]}]}]}