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All right, this is Trent Purdy. I'm sitting here with Rocco Anthony DeGrazio. It is february 23 2026 We're doing an oral history about the Downtown Performance Center to be donated to the University of Arizona Special Collections Library. Thanks for joining me today, Rocco. Hi, so you can tell me how you discovered and got involved in the Tucson music scene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=0.0,22.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I moved here from directly from Champaign-Urbana, which I, where I got my undergrad, and I was, I was gonna possibly get, go to grad school here. I was just exploring possibilities. I have a degree in anthropology, and I was gonna try to get into the archeology scene here, which they're actually doing contract archeology, so I thought it was a good, you know, pre-internet, no contacts, you get, you work with what data that you get, so I thought I can get a job there, and stuff never worked out, but Chef Haydor Banner had a fantastic music scene, and I just assumed everywhere was like that, and I found very, very soon after moving here that it was a thriving music scene, and one of the places to go was the DPC, and so I was there, you know. I moved here in, what, the spring of 92 and started going there, probably within the first couple months that I was here. So I just like, oh, there's shows, oh, I'm gonna go where the shows are, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=23.0,79.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, how old were you when you moved here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=80.0,81.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I think 21","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=82.0,82.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay, so you had moved here after the DPC had developed. Sure, kind of something that had been established already, right? So, how do you discover it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=83.0,92.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I think a friend of mine said, \"Oh, you know, such and such band is playing at this place, let's go, and I don't remember the first time I went there, but I was impressed by it. I, you know, it was a great space. It was filled with weird people, and there was cool shit going on, and you know, it had the reading room. If you didn't like the bands, you could pop in there and read fanzines to your heart's content, which I frequently did too. So, you know it was, it was a great, it was a great spot, and you know, showcased a lot of the local talent, and some touring bands too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=93.0,128.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So you were involved in the museum in Champaign.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=129.0,131.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I always played guitar and tried to get into the scene, but it was very incestuous, and a lot smaller than the Tucson scene. So, no, I was never able to find anybody to play music with me. I wasn't that great anyway. I did start playing music out here, but it was.. I didn't break into it, but I attended shows all the time, either parties or bars or venues. I was always going to the smaller local shows, and you know, I saw a lot of cool bands come up there, and I was like excited to see what was going on here too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=132.0,165.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And what was, what were the differences you saw between Tucson and Champaign, as far as, like, well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=166.0,170.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Champaign is a lot smaller, you know. There's, there's the university, paradoxically, is about exactly the same size, so the student body is the same, but since it's a town in the middle of Central Illinois, it's, it's very, you know, most of the biggest industry in town is the university, and then the second biggest industry is Solo Cup, that was actually where all the red beer cups came from originally, they were invented in Champaign and proliferated from there outwards, so those are the two employers. So it was a lot smaller scene. There wasn't, like, you know, an East Side scene, and you know, people in the foothills that would come down. It was just like mostly the student body, and then the weird locals that liked local music were in the music scene there, whereas here it was like a bit more expansive. Also, there's more genres here, like I noticed immediately, like you'd go to a show at the DPC, for example, and it'd be like a ska band playing with a hardcore band playing with, you know, like a cow punk band, and it was just like more expansive and more accepting, and you know, there'd people be skanking to cow punk because they came in a pork by hat, anyway. You know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=171.0,244.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: how would you see? So, obviously, these different bands attracted different groups of people, right? So, you said they were interacting. How did they interact with you? I think they were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=245.0,253.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: everybody seemed like, you know, like people of that age, you know, they'd be, you know, smoking weed in the parking lot in their cars and drinking across the street, then they'd come in and converge, and and they'd hang out together, you know, everybody was clique-ish and like standing in circles with their own friends, like everywhere else, but like there wasn't like open animosity between groups that I saw, there was always, you know, some kind of bs going on, but you know it's young people in a public forum, so that's about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=254.0,284.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, since, since you were of age, you were obviously attending shows at bars,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=285.0,288.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah? Like, I like I found Club Congress early, and The Rock, I saw some shows there, and where else was there, like you know, like Mike's Place on at the. University had had shows, and yeah, wherever there was Pizza City hadn't quite had its renaissance, you know, it's its last shows and stuff. That was a year or two after I moved here, but there were places to see shows. I'm not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=289.0,315.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: familiar with Pizza City.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=316.0,316.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Pizza City was a pizzeria on that strip on Sixth Street near the near the stadium and stuff like that. It's now like there's a, you know, university buildings there, but for a minute, Denise of roller derby fame, etc. It was working there and she was involved in the punk rock community, I think she was in a band called The Hasselhoffs for a while, but and then it was called Joanie Loves Chachi and stuff, but she started hosting shows at the at the Pizza City, and it was like Dollar Pictures and punk rock shows on Friday nights, so it got out of control real fast and didn't last very long.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=317.0,361.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Was that catering to all ages crowd, or was it strictly? No, it was. It was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=362.0,365.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: an above ages crowd. Yeah. Also, the seller, the seller was very active, and that, that attracted all ages people and stuff. And, like, I was looking through my old flyers, and, like, I've been played at the seller at least, like, five or six times. Yeah. So that, and they had touring bands playing there, like, like Jane's Addiction played there before I moved to town, stuff like that, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=366.0,384.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and they were doing like those weird, like noon shows, right? Yeah, that's what it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=385.0,389.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was, is like you would, you'd have to park like somewhere nearby and get a cart and then drag all your shit down to the cellar, and then play, and yeah, and then leave somehow during the middle of classes, what","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=390.0,403.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: were your impressions of just the Tucson punk rock slash music scene in general? There was kind of a lot happening. Oh yeah, it was great. It","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=404.0,409.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was like the salad days of Earl's Family Bombers and stuff. I was like, that was one of the first bands I saw at the DPC, for sure. And I was just like, oh, there's some good punk rock bands here, you know. And I was just excited, you know, and then you'd see touring bands like, you know, Al's Donut would come to town, or Caius, or something like that. It was like, holy shit, they got some good bands coming into town too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=410.0,430.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, let's talk about some. Did you see some of those bands that later got huge? Right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=431.0,434.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I missed the big Green Day show because I didn't like that kind of music anyway, but they played, you know, while I was here, to you know, probably 12 people at the DPC. I didn't go to the Caius show because I knew Caius was a Dungeons and Dragons figure, so I thought they were at least as dorky as I was. So I wasn't ever going to go see Caius, so I missed the boat on that one too, just for my own, you know, prejudices, which were unfounded, and I'm lamenting it. I never saw Crash Worship, that was another one that would come, but, like, I'd heard all these shows, but I did see a bunch of shows, and I remember seeing, like, Girls Against Boys there, and you know, like, some, some of the, you know, second rank grudge bands coming to town, like Gas Huffer and Love Battery, and stuff like that, like everybody would come through, like from Champaign, I saw Poster Children came through, and yeah, like it was, it was just like it was definitely one of the better venues in town at the time, so, so, yeah, the punk rock scene was good. Like I said, there was also other weird bands that would be on the same bill with punk rock bands, and it was just a good way to just like see some new stuff, look for a pretty low entrance fee, you know. 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You'd see, like, I don't know who in particular I could point out to, but you'd see somebody, and they'd have, you know, 150 people at the DPC, and you'd be like, how the, how do they even know people here? So it was great, and, and you know, it was a good way to just see what was going on any, any day of the week, if you want to wander down there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=544.0,592.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So you talked about how you tried to get some music, playing music in Champaign, and you moved to Tucson, you had just mentioned you. Started playing there, so talk about how you developed this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=593.0,601.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh, so I put, like, an ad out or something, or looked for, you know, the ubiquitous flyer, where you take the little tab with the phone number, and I think I put some flyers out. Also, I took some, so I auditioned for a band called First and all that was situated at first in Tindal, I guess, and they didn't like my guitar playing, and then I and a couple other bands and stuff, but I like somebody came to my house with another guitar player, like I had, I had responded to some ad or something, and it was like the singer who was putting the band together, and the guitar player came in, and he busted his guitar, and it was an SG like mine. I'm like, oh, you got an SG, and we started talking, we like, we're fast friends and stuff, and the other guy's like, all right, let's get down to brass tacks here, let's play it, play some, so we like played some Stooges songs or something like that, and never heard from him again. I think he started another band, but the guitar player started a band called Mummy Chug, and I started going to their shows and stuff. And then, when they broke up, the guitar player and I kind of branched out, and we started a band, Beyond Seven, and our first show was at the DPC with, with, we opened for a band called My father's favorite sandwich, I think, so one of the premier Tucson bands of the time, like that, and that guy is that guy's name is Mike Ahearn, and he recently moved back to town, and yeah, he lives here again too, so he might have some other, you know, data for you, and he, and he's an interesting cat. He is from, he's a couple years older than me. He grew up in Minneapolis during the Husker Du Replacements era, and went to all those shows. Then he went to college in Seattle, and was in bands like that, played on the bill with all of the grunge acts, then he moved here and started a band here, and a couple bands, including the one we were in, so he has like a lot of punk rock history, and like, you know, oral history, and stories, and stuff that he actually, you know, I think he's like, you know, I broke Jeff Immense arm during tackle football or something like that, he's got like grunge stories too, so but like yeah, we were like when his band was folded up, I started another band with him, and yeah, first show was at the PC, so and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=602.0,754.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: that was beyond said,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=755.0,755.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: that was beyond, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=756.0,756.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: what kind of music were you guys doing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=757.0,757.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: We were just like we were a grunge band, I mean, we were punk rock, but like it's amusing to say we were a grunge band, because we totally were a grunge band,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=758.0,767.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: like kind of like Mud Honey was a grunge band, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=768.0,770.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Right, we were like a classic rock-inspired punk rock, basically, you know? I think we were more akin to like Cheap Trek than your typical grunge band, but we, you know, since Mike was writing most of the songs, and he had a lot of, you know, of that Minnesota kind of punk rock background, we sounded a little bit more like the replacements and stuff than most other bands in town, and you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=771.0,797.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: guys released them, so yeah, we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=798.0,799.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: had our CD called The Creature that came out, and then we were on some compilations and stuff. You know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=800.0,805.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: how was the Tucson receptive to that type of easily?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=806.0,810.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I remember playing some shows where, like, we would always clear the room, like nobody wanted to stick around and see us, like we play like covers that we like that nobody else liked, like feeling like making love, and then we had a part that we had like the boom boom out go the lights part in the middle of it, and like people just fucking bail, like but we were like amused by it, and we did it because we were like we're gonna do this no matter if anybody's in the room or not. I remember playing a house party with the still extant pork torta, and we played first, and everybody went outside and smoked a cigarette, and then as soon as the pork tortoise started playing, people were literally dancing on top of the dishes in the sink, so I was like, I don't know what we're doing, but I don't think it's, we're doing the right thing, but whatever, you know, so, so, like, yeah, Beyond Seven was never like a big band. We did tour both coasts, and we tried to make a, make a life of it, and stuff, but, like, we were just, you know, kind of a marginal edge band here in town. I look at career main players.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=811.0,878.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Were you guys active on, like, the punk house house party scene, never.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=879.0,881.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It was before our time, too. I mean, we've played some parties and stuff. I think we played parties like rebar and stuff like that. Who, like, that was what's his name, the guy that's in Red Fang? Like, he was in rebar back in the day here in town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=882.0,899.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=900.0,899.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: we play parties with them, we play parties with, like, the Torta and some other weird bands and stuff, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=900.0,907.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, going back to your first show, the DPC, how did you get that show? Did you work with Steve?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=908.0,912.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I didn't personally do it. I'm sure somebody approached. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=913.0,916.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and what was it like, your impressions of playing a show there? That was my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=917.0,920.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: first time playing a show as a guitar player on stage, like I'd been in, like, marching band and stuff, playing clarinet, but I'd never, like, played guitar in front of people, and, like, I was immediately, like, whether it was the DPC or not, I was like, I like being on stage, it comes natural, and I'm having a good time, and I was never nervous, I was just got a lot of nervous energy, you know, like, so I was excited to have the opportunity, and that was a good, you know, low rent or low stakes venue to have a show, you know, nobody expected you to deliver too much opening for Jay, or opening for, I would say, Jason's cat died, that's like another band from back then, like at the DPC, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=921.0,965.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you guys played there a lot frequently,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=966.0,967.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I think we played there like three or four times, okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=968.0,969.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And what was it like each time playing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=970.0,971.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It was good, I mean, the sound was okay, we were used to playing, singing out of a bass amp and stuff with no monitors, so if there was any monitors anywhere, and I'm still to this day, if I'm playing any show or there's any monitors anywhere, I'm chuffed, because I grew up not having any, like you just like know your parts and trying to and look at the drummer's left hand and make sure you're on the downbeat, like that's how you keep time, but like the DPC had okay sound, and it was a fun place to play, and you know it was, it was all right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=972.0,1004.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, did you guys strictly play with local bands, or did you open Burnie League? I think we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1005.0,1009.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: did open for Gas Huffer there, and then we played a couple pretty cool shows. I think most of our bigger shows were at, like, Congress or something like that, where we open for touring bands and stuff? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1010.0,1022.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah, okay, yeah. I'm curious about, you know, there were a lot of touring bands that were coming through Tucson at the time. Yeah, we had established ourselves during the 80s, right, when you know Black Flag was essentially carving out that touring Turing scene. Absolutely, followed that. So it's pretty, it's pretty interesting to think about the bands that would play the DPC versus those that would play like Club Congress, or 21 and over show, um, and I'm hopefully get some more information from from Steve and other people on the ball about how they carved that out, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1023.0,1055.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Interesting, and it definitely went back to the Dodiac days and stuff. A friend of mine, Mike Cole, moved out here about the same time as Steve I and Bruce from the Rialto, and stuff, and they're all friends in Philly. And Mike Cole was in a band called Wide Eye, which is like a seminal hardcore band back there. And then they were all friends, and then Bruce and Mike had moved to San Francisco, and we're like painting houses together, and stuff like that. So they're friends, and they all moved out here together, and I think Steve had already come here and opened the open the Dodiac and stuff. So there was already like that presence, and they and Steve brought that, his connections from the East Coast to Tucson, so he still had, he still had, you know, back then it was the phone list, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1056.0,1104.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: yeah, so he had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1105.0,1105.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the phone list, so you know he had people he knew that had worked with him, and then that's how you got shows,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1106.0,1111.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah, I, I started going to the DBC, I think maybe like the last year it was open as an Eastside kid, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1112.0,1118.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: what year, what was the last year was up at like 94 yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1119.0,1120.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: we're from 1991 to 1995 and I started going, I think maybe late 94 early 95 and I just caught the very tail end of it, I was like, you know, this I think was 14 at the time, so this brand new world to me, moving into this this whole scene, and it was just an amazing thing, and I felt like I had missed out. Yeah, like, why didn't I go? Like, that's what I think about, like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1121.0,1143.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: why didn't I go to those house parties on Speedway? Well, like, I don't think I was here at the time, yeah. But, like, it would have been great to see that stuff too, you know? I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1144.0,1151.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: mean, the time I spent there was amazing, right? But what are you gonna do when you're 14? Tre, indeed. So, you had mentioned you had seen some great shows and great bands very specific of the DPC. Any other ones that come to your mind? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1152.0,1164.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: for like I said, for sure, Girls Against Boys was really great, like they were one of the bands where, like, I think I was, whatever the opening band was, was dog shit, and I was in the reading room reading some fanzines, and I was just like, as soon as they started, I was like, \"Oh shit, I want to miss this, and it was just like, \"Oh my god, definitely. There was a really great show, one of my favorite shows ever. There was, I think, what's the Surf Band from San Diego? Know deadbolt, so it was like deadbolt, and then the opener was local, local faves, Johnny Balls, and Vibro Thunder Balls, which is, which is Danny, of course, right? It was one of his iterations back, like pre-Biancers, but, and way before he was in the Torta, but, and that was amazing, and then, of course, you know, Dead Bolt was, was back in the day one of the finest crappy touring acts in town, and actually we hooked up with Dead Bolt and played a house party at a frat with Dead Bolt, like a year after that, and the frat, like, since closed down because of allegations of date rape and stuff, as friends are wants to do from time to time, so that was good. John Spencer's Blues Explosion, I remember show, I think teeth open for him, that was fantastic. Definitely saw Daisy, I remember Daisy Chainsaw being really good, I remember a couple times I saw Alice Donut there, and they were always one of the definitely one of the bands you didn't want to miss when they came through town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1165.0,1274.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did Beyond Seven have any kind of relationship or camaraderie with, like, the bigger Tucson punk bands? I'm thinking about, like, feast upon cactus thorns, like malignant youth. 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We were friends with, yeah, right, yeah. No, no, we didn't really. We were kind of like moving in our own orbit with like the smaller fish in the in the sea, which is that we didn't know any of those guys, would have been cool to have some contacts and stuff, but yeah, unfortunately,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1285.0,1306.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah, yeah, so 1995 the DPC has its problems with the Tucson City of Tucson residents, the neighbors and neighborhoods, it was always,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1307.0,1316.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it was always a thing with the neighbors, it was like, guys, you can't be out here smoking cigarettes and drinking beer, you got to get inside, you know. I was always chasing people around, and that's always how, how it works with that age group. Yeah, you know, you're hurting cats.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1317.0,1332.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: What were your thoughts about when the DBC closed? I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1333.0,1334.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was bummed out, man. I was like, \"fuck, now where are we gonna go see, you know, the weird bands? And like, where are the younger bands gonna get their first show, which is what, like, generally happened, you know? That was like the pipeline, you know. Then you'd graduate to, you know, Hotel Congress when you've got some, some a little bit of clout, and I guess could talk to Dave Salutes in person, although I don't know if he was doing anything back then, besides playing around, but then I think Bruce had opened the Luna Loka shortly thereafter, or DPC Cafe, I think it was called originally, and I was like, \"Oh, at least some of the stuff's going on, you know? And that was.. and I don't think Steve was doing shows at Solar Culture yet. I think he was just like, he was done, understood, you know. He's being hounded for 10 years in various cities about having shows, right? And I think he just, like, wanted to make some art, you know. 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It was like, now what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1399.0,1399.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: Yeah, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1400.0,1400.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and also the I think it happened later when all the red tags really got rolling, but you know, the house parties were a little more scarce on the ground, for a while you could just ride your bike through the university, like university neighborhoods, like Rincon Heights, and there'd be a house party, you could pop in and drink a solo cup of beer, and see some bands and stuff, and it was like every weekend that shit would happen, so you know, so yes, there was definitely a vacuum, like, where do you, where do you go now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1401.0,1431.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I remember, I did see some great shows at the few that I went to at the DPC cafe, I think I saw, like, Blink 22 play there, yeah, like, no, they like Bruce,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1432.0,1440.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: still had the numbers, so we there were some good shows there, for sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1441.0,1444.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: The place was tiny, though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1445.0,1445.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It was teensy, teensy, weensy,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1446.0,1447.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah. And I remember, I don't.. I didn't know. I think there's a spot for people to congregate and stand, but I just remember there being these booths, like restaurant booths, like, like as an actual cafe, right? Right","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1448.0,1460.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: there, like the stage was small. You could stand in front of the stage and it would pack, fucking pack people in there and stuff like that, and you know, there'd be, you know, people spilling out into the side of the building and stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1461.0,1475.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, in hindsight, thinking back, what, what, how did the DPC affect your life as a musician, and what impacts do you think it had overall on the history of the Tucson Musics team?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1476.0,1487.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, it gave me the first place I ever played a show, and I'm still playing music, and you know, would I have played a show somewhere else? Sure, but that was definitely, like I said, it was the feeder for bigger. Things you would get your first show at the DPC, because it was the bar was low, because of course they put you on the venue with, you know, my father's favorite sandwich. Why not? Got nothing else going on Tuesday night, right? And then, then hopefully you'd get on a bill with somebody else, so it was a stepping stone for everybody, everybody, and it was well known that that's where you would play a show, you know, whether you are a solo act, just being weird or whatever, you know, you could do it, and that's where you did it, and I don't think if there was room on the schedule, and you could look at those old schedules, every night was packed with three or four bands, so you know that was where you would go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1488.0,1541.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: How often would you attend just as an audience member?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1542.0,1543.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Probably every other week, for sure. Like, I would go at least once a month to some show at the DPC. Like, I look at those old flyers on the Facebook group, I'm like, I saw these two shows in May of, you know, 94 you know, whatever. You know, and all the time. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1544.0,1560.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so you, it sounded like you attended frequently from 92 until it closed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1561.0,1564.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Absolutely, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1565.0,1565.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did you see the crowds or the vibe evolve or change over that period of time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1566.0,1571.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I think it did get a little weirder, where, like, outside was getting a little scarier, and there was people like busting bottles out back and just being jag-offs where they weren't before, so that's just my.. I might.. I was getting older too. I was like, you know, when you're 25 you have different perceptions than when you're 21 Yeah, so like I was just like not so down with the young kid shenanigans and stuff like that, but I don't know, man. Yeah, I think it, I think it did get a little darker at the end, and I wasn't completely shocked that they got, because I knew there was always problems with the neighbors, and like, and I wasn't like completely shocked, I was bummed out, though. For sure,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1572.0,1612.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I'm wondering if, and this is just me, you know, pondering, since alternative music and punk music had entered the mainstream consciousness so much during that time, time period, especially in 91 with Nirvana being huge. I'm wondering if those people came down as a curiosity, if they stuck around, or was this like dipping their toes and moving on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1613.0,1635.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: That's interesting. I don't know, but by 95 the grunge era was already over, you know. It had moved on, and then you started getting into a little bit more like pop punk and stuff like that, was was getting on, and there was radio stations like, but right when I first, when I first moved down here, KF or KLPX had one hour on Monday night where they would play Locals Only, which is moved to or night wasn't Locals Only, but it was like their local showcase, I think it was like Susie Dunn or somebody did it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1636.0,1668.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: they were playing Local Music, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1669.0,1669.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: they played Local Music, and you know, so like I would listen to that, and then I think KXCI had the Locals Only show and stuff, so where they would play stuff, and there were some other like, like punk rock and alternative shows on KXCI scattered throughout the dial, but by 9495 I think there were radio stations in town that were playing that stuff, so I think that gave it a venue too that wasn't like you had to go see the live news, like, and like, there was somewhere you can tune into, so maybe that had had a feature too, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1670.0,1703.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1704.0,1704.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it definitely wasn't as when I first moved here in 92 It was still a fairly underground thing to be interested in, and like DIY music stuff, yeah. It was still college rock, still, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1705.0,1717.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: You had to have an interest in it, and then actively seek it out,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1718.0,1719.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: totally. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1720.0,1720.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: interesting. Is anything else you want to add?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1721.0,1723.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No, that's great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1724.0,1724.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I appreciate your time. This is great.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1725.0,1726.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I hope this helps, and I hope people find what they're looking for, whatever that is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1727.0,1731.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Thank","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1732.0,1731.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960#t=1732.0,1734.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174421/file/313960/transcript/95171/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/095/171/original/azu_ms858-003_m_transcript.vtt?1783615578","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/095/171/original/azu_ms858-003_m_transcript.vtt?1783615578"}]}]}]}