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It is march 19, 2026 I'm sitting here with Bruce Momich in solo culture in Tucson, Arizona. This is for the Downtown Performance Center Oral History Project to be donated to the University of Arizona Special Collections Library. Thanks for joining me tonight on this wonderful, warm evening, Bruce. I think we should get started at the very beginning. Tell me, how do you discover and get involved in the underground music scene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=0.0,30.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Through skateboarding. Through skateboarding, I was in the Navy in Philadelphia, and I went to Tre Hill Skateboard Park. Um Um, like the third day I got in Philly, I was on an aircraft carrier that went into the shipyard, and I was heavily into skateboarding before the Navy and during the Navy, and then I knew about the skate park in Cherry Hill, and I went there daily, and I met Steve Wrestler, that's his real name. I met this girl, this super hot skater chick. She was a great skater too, and super sweetheart. And she asked me, Are you going back to Philly tonight? And I said, yeah, I have to go back. Can I get a ride? I said, sure, of course, sure. You know, 20 year old Navy dude, sure. And then she shows up at my car with her boyfriend, Steve, I, Steve Wrestler, and I was like, oh fuck, I'm dumb. Um, yeah, and so, so through skateboarding with those guys and hanging out with those guys in downtown Philly, in on South Street, and everything, which was way different than it is now, things now are just so commercial, and so, like, there's just like stupid money everywhere, but, uh, we also also, I moved in with those guys. There was a band singer that lived in the house with us, and then I met another partner, Howard Saunders, Howie Bunga, we called him, and the three of us somehow met the guy that owned a club on Broad and South Street called the Love Club. Well, he said, \"I'll rent you the hall on weekends, Friday and Saturday night, because the club guys don't want to use it, and you can have passed back and forth from the bar to the to the hall. It held like four or 500 people, lots of footage that's from American Hardcore, the film is is from the Love Club or Love Hall. We had shows for over two years there. I pretty much did all of the tech stuff, ran the door. I was 632 100 pounds. It made sense at the time, you know, and the whole scene was real young, but it was, it was in infancy. The whole scene was like really like word of mouth. I mean, we would have bands call us out of nowhere and say, \"Hey, can we get on a show? And it was no internet, there was no internet, there was no, no cell phones. I mean, it was, you know, bands would sleep on our floor, black flag, TSOL. I could go on and on with all of the bands that would stay there. So, anyhow, that's how I got involved in it, and it just, like, it took me over because it was this, this energy that was like sort of like super dynamic at any show. There could be an imminent riot, you know what I mean. It was like it was like always on the verge of that. I've been at shows where pipe bombs were thrown through the door, the neighbors came in beating people with chains. This is the infancy of punk rock hardcore. People were not accustomed to seeing people with mohawks wearing chains, wearing leather jackets, you know. The whole thing was, it was all new, and it freaked out people in Philly, and it freaked out people in New York City, it freaked out people in DC, just about everywhere you went. Myself and Steve, we were on the skater side of it, so we weren't that whole punk rock look, we were more skateboarders, so that's kind of what got me involved in in the whole music scene, and then just the energy of like being able to go to all these shows and meeting tons of people, you know, of course there was a lot of a lot of crazy shit that went on afterwards. You know, the drug use was insane. I was in the Navy, and you know, I don't even know how I got back to the base some mornings. You know, I'd take a train from New York and end up in South Philly, and walk, go put my uniform on, and walk out there and stay. In there, in line, so they could check in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=31.0,300.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I want to talk about that for a second. That seems like such a, I don't know, dichotomy, I guess, in your life. Absolutely super straight-laced, as regimented as you can be to this, to the most loose, free-wheeling, chaotic punk rock scene I can imagine. What was that like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=301.0,317.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So to get into that a little bit, I was on the last year of my enlistment, so I had rank, I was at the highest rank I could be, so I had like 40 guys working in a crew for me, 40 guys, and I would come in, I'd be fucking wasted, right, and what we were in charge of was called the fire wash division, which meant that we would go and sit with welders on the ship and the shipyard and make sure they didn't start fires. What was it like going from that to that? It, it, yeah, it was very bizarre. And because it was so in its infancy, if you said you were a punk rocker. You were immediately called a fag. You know what I mean? You were immediately called every fucking name you could, because all those guys were basically right-wing rednecks. You know what I mean? They were like Skinner, Skinner, Skinner, you know. You're, you're this and that, and I somehow I credit Steve for getting me out of that, because I grew up in the South, but I somehow got around that in my head, you know? I mean, I didn't, I didn't, wasn't, you know, I had friends from every walk, so because of the scene, because of the scene was so accepting from everywhere, you know what I mean, it didn't matter who you were. Let's go have fun, let's go break windows over here, let's go rob this, you know, I shouldn't even talk about this shit. We did, we, you know, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=318.0,405.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did you ever talk about your punk rock life with your, your Navy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=406.0,409.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I did a couple of things that were really out of control. I wrote the Minute Men lyrics. I can't think of the song, I think it's called World War Three, but I knew the lyrics in my head, and I was sitting in the toilet and taking a shit, and I had a Sharpie on me, or something like a Sharpie, and I wrote it on the on the thing in the Navy base, right? I wrote it in the stall, and they fucking shut the place down, like it was like, fucking like, like, you know what I mean, somebody was like, yeah, somebody was coming in. So then we had the other thing that's pretty crazy that he did was we had a what do they call that, a muster, where they get everybody together and stay in the parking lot and they check their haircuts and your shaves and your uniforms. I put Jealous Again EP on a timer up in the barracks room wasn't my room, I put it on somebody else's thing and put the speaker by the window, so these guys are, you know, like, you know, all this navy shit, and out of nowhere it's like it's not my imagination screaming out of the windows, right, but if you know that EP, it's like five minutes, so by the time they got there, it was already shut off, and it was like done. So they.. I don't know what happened, but I did that, and that caused a big giant stir. I mean, you know, it's just that kind of shit where you're challenging the Navy just because..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=410.0,497.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: How did you internalize that psychologically, where you're immersed in the punk rock world that was so anti-government, so anti-authority, and yet your daily life, you're part of that mechanism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=498.0,509.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, yeah, but the reality of it was in Philly, it wasn't overly military, you know what I mean, it wasn't like we were more like shipyard workers that were in the Navy, so yeah, we were expected to be at work at, say, 730 in the morning, 8o'clock in the morning, stand in line, get counted. In my case, I had to count everybody, yeah. Towards the end of that September of 82 is when I got out, like a month before I got out, I just been cruising along, going to shows, you know, I take a take a subway train from the shipyard to the club or to our house, and then skateboard from there, we skateboard all over the city, um, but, uh, where I was doing Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=510.0,562.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: let's talk about the Love Club.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=563.0,563.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=564.0,564.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I'm very interested in this. So, this.. what years were you doing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=565.0,567.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: this? It started in the summer of late 81","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=568.0,572.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so it was really early in the hardcore scene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=573.0,574.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=575.0,575.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=576.0,575.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And we had a. we had a policy, five bands, five bucks, um,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=576.0,582.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: was this an all-ages affair? Oh, yeah, yeah, no alcohol.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=583.0,585.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, there was there was walkways to the club next door, the Love","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=586.0,589.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Club.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=590.0,592.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So, yeah, but they didn't give a shit. The kids weren't been in there, you know what I mean. There was all kinds of, yeah, um. Yeah, it was at a subway stop, and it was on Broad and South in Philly, and you could stand outside the club and look at the city hall, and there'd be on a Friday and Saturday night, there'd be 300 punk rock kids on the street in this like pretty rough neighborhood, pretty hard neighborhood. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=593.0,618.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: were you guys the only all ages punk venue at that time in Philly. Who else? Who else was going?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=619.0,623.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Wait a minute. There was no such thing. I mean, the only other thing that was happening was like crazy parties and lofts, you know. There was a party, there was a place called the Wet Spot where they would have an occasional party every once in a while. There was a loft down the street from us, where we lived, we had killer parties, but it was no such thing, man. It was, it was unheard of. Oh, you want to have all ages shows and just like not have alcohol be the focus. Yeah, so, and that became a, a really tight circle. I mean, a lot of those people that I met then are my dear friends now, you know, and we've lost people in that scene, and but I still communicate with those people, like I know we didn't miss a beat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=624.0,672.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, your what was your responsibility? You said you did the door, there were you responsible for booking? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=673.0,678.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I would say the booking went from Howard and Steve and myself. Yes, but we also did flyers, that was another one of our big things. And Steve, being from the art background, we had a big table in our house, it was probably as big as that wall, and we would, we would get some pretty covered flyers back then. I'll show you at some point. Yeah, we did some flyers that are actually.. I just saw some of them in the Punk Rock Museum in Vegas that I had done, so it's pretty cool to see your copies of your flyer there. But there was a table there, and Steve and his girlfriend were both art school people, and everybody came over our house, especially once we got the videos thing going, people would come over and watch the videos, which sounds silly now, but so yeah, we were all making the flyers, and then we were skateboarders, and there'd be like three, four of us would go out at night, and we'd take a five gallon bucket and wheat paste, and we'd get water from the street, from the city, you know, like from a drinking fountain on the street, and we take a broom, and we would do giant blocks of wheat paste flyers of our shows, I mean, we would do 500 flyers a night, sometimes mainly we were trying to do one show at a time, so that if you can imagine a wall this big, just with, you know, eight and a half by 11, or bigger flyers, just the whole fucking wall, we had a hammer stapler, but yeah, we would do that shit all night, so we, we, that's how we advertised all through, also through small radio station at Drexel KXCI, but that was it, and we had a good friend that was a DJ there, Jeff Jenkins, who's recently passed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=679.0,794.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Wait, KXCI is the name of the..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=795.0,796.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: no, not KXCI, excuse me, excuse me, I'm getting a bit confused, it was not WXBN, it was WKDU,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=797.0,805.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=806.0,806.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: WKDU is Drexel,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=807.0,807.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: WKDU, okay. So this is just fascinating. Yeah, so many questions guide me. No, this is great. You had mentioned before we started this, this interview about how you guys did a substantial amount of video taping of the shows. Can you talk about that a little bit? How that was done? Who did it? Why you did","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=808.0,829.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it? I bought most of the gear. We all screwed around with it through skateboarding and going to shows, it was a for shows like at City Gardens, and in New York, you know, you went in with a camera crew, and at first I'm just charging money, so yes, I got the camera, and he's got the camera pack, we're going in,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=830.0,853.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and you bought the equipment, right, because you said you had money,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=854.0,855.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, I bought the equipment, that's how Steve and I got his name, I, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=856.0,861.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: from the video camera, yeah, he worked there. 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So, Glenn got his suicidal tendencies the first time they came to the East Coast. He sent us a cassette tape. I got a million of those stories, but a lot of that shit was somebody would call up and go, 'Hey, we're going to be in town here, do can we get a show? And we're going to, yeah, we'll build a show around you. TSOL was one of our favorites. They were our buddies, because they were skateboarders, and they'd come and hang out with us. You know what I mean? They hang out at our house, and they do their shows in New York, and we go with them, Jersey and DC, and we'd hang out with them, and go do what they were doing, sleeping on our floor, man. 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We used to sell weed, the best weed, you know, everybody says that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=991.0,1012.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: that's how you became, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1013.0,1013.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so post the Bad Brain Show, they came over to get weed from us, and we're sitting there, and this is on one of those old big TVs, you know, the big consoles, like your parents had, and the show is the show is playing, and I swear to you, I remember them coming through, we had a double door, and I remember them coming through the double door and saying, what, we can watch it now, that's how early video was,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1014.0,1038.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah, you had taped in, now you're watching. Yeah, we're watching an","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1039.0,1041.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: hour later. The girl that had ripped HR shirt off is sitting right here, and she's like, \"I'm so fucking embarrassed. Next thing I know, they're all sitting here, and we're all smoking, and you know, hanging out, and yeah, lifelong friendships. 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San Francisco, that's a whole nother story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1068.0,1077.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1078.0,1078.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so yeah, I spent four years in San Francisco.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1079.0,1082.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Wow,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1083.0,1082.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: doing show after show after show.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1083.0,1085.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1086.0,1086.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1087.0,1086.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, let me think. How you know, you always hear about these different rivalries on the East Coast, between the punk scenes, Philly, New York, Boston, all that stuff. You experienced that first hand.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1087.0,1098.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Absolutely.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1099.0,1099.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And are the legends true, or did everyone, what was your experience with all this? Were people in fighting, beating each other up, different crews?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1100.0,1106.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Um, it was a matter of, like, more, more than anything I could say is, if you were part of the scene and you knew people, it was generally the, the, what do you call them, the people that come in from the outside that didn't understand the etiquette, I guess it would be amongst the punk rockers, you know what I mean. There was a certain respect that you had for each other. I never had issues, of course. I was six, you know, I was bigger than most people, but I wasn't fighter then. But yeah, it just seemed to me like it really wasn't the, I don't want to say the word punk on punk, but that really wasn't the thing, it was more of the people on the outside going, \"Holy fuck, who are these people? You know what I mean, like I seen people from neighborhoods come to the front door carrying boat doors and chains, and, and the cops going, we stopping them,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1107.0,1162.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1163.0,1162.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: throw a pipe bomb in, you know what I mean, Dead Kennedy show, yeah, I seen major riots where I escaped, saw a guy whip a base cabin out of the back of a pickup truck with like one hand, went thing went flying. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1163.0,1184.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: how are the authorities with your.. it was a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1185.0,1187.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: famous show, and you can look it up on YouTube. Cater Street in Philly. I actually ducked out of the Navy that day and got in trouble for it to go do this show. We did it on an alleyway. With this band that the singer lived in our house, and they were one of the most popular bands in Philly, and their name is Autistic Behavior. Have you ever heard of that? No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1188.0,1214.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I'm not familiar with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1215.0,1215.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: They are big time, or yeah, they were big time","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1216.0,1219.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1220.0,1219.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And can you imagine that name these days? I mean, yeah, my buddy, that's a bass player, he updated the name, I can't think of it right now, as it would be written today, but they were, you know, they were crazy kids, Jersey kids, and the singer was, yeah, he was a little guy. All the girls loved him, completely insane shipyard worker, welder. So, I worked with him in the shipyard, and we lived in the same house together. Yeah, I'm saying no, because I don't want to say, sure, the amount of cocaine use that was going around then, it was unbelievable, in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1220.0,1269.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: the punch scene, or just no,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1270.0,1271.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: just on our little click, on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1272.0,1272.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: your little click,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1273.0,1273.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, in our little quick man, everybody else was like, you know, smoking weed and just doing drinking, I mean, there was, you know, there was that little bit of that, but, and I won't include Steve in that, because, yeah, he wasn't part of that, but there was a time when that was like, yeah, anyhow,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1274.0,1289.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and did you feel like that affected the punk scene in any capacity, or your scene at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1290.0,1295.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1296.0,1295.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: no, no,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1296.0,1297.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and I knew when to get away, you know what I mean, it was like when they started cooking it, then I was like out of there, and that was before crack.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1298.0,1306.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1307.0,1306.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: they had to cook it and make it yourself. I watched that shit in the kitchen so many times, you know, and I realized, like early on, that that's not going to fucking do anything good for me, because one thing I didn't want to skateboard when I did that shit, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1307.0,1321.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1322.0,1322.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but you know, I grew out of it. I'm glad I did. So,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1323.0,1328.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: well, we're glad you're here. So I'm curious about the love club. Let's talk. So you were doing shows there and producing or promoting shows at other places as well, or is it District League there at a certain point? It","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1329.0,1343.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was there. Oh yeah, we did. So, so there. Our arrangement with the owner was the owner's son was $200 a night. It might have been 150 $200 a night for Friday and Saturday night, the rest of the week was the bar had it, and they were having their dance nights, so we only had it on the weekends, and then I had to hire a sound company to come over, because we didn't have any sound equipment for a long time, and I, of course, it would help them, but it was their gear, and they, so check this out. They would show up from Jersey with a trailer, a van, and a trailer, and three guys, 150 bucks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1344.0,1389.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1390.0,1390.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: when you go on YouTube and you see Love Club videos, you'll see that PA, I mean everybody played on that thing. Yeah, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1391.0,1397.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1398.0,1399.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: then there was a hall next door called the Long March Jazz Academy, which we used the upstairs there probably five times when we knew the show was going to be too big for the Love Club or Love Hall, and then there was an Elks Lodge around the corner as well that we use for like three or four shows, Steve liked to name his shows, um, other than just a band, like the Bad Brain Show that we had with all these like hardcore bands and skater bands, was called the Action Ritual, the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1400.0,1433.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Action Ritual. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1434.0,1434.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so because you know it was action, um, so yeah, we did a few outside of there too, and then I want to say late 82 Well, it was a hotel upstairs, late 82 Somebody came in, and there was a gas station down the streets. For some reason, they sold this woman gallons of gas in milk jugs, she poured it on the frickin, she had a fight with her boyfriend, or some shit, poured it on the stairwell, and burned it, burned the hotel down, the club and the hall were still perfect, but the building was condemned, so the owner of the building owned the building north of that as well, we ran power from there over to the club without the city knowing it, because we weren't there during the day. We were only there like 5o'clock in the evening, and we were doing shows in this building that was condemned. Probably did 10 shows in there like that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1435.0,1496.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: never got caught. Amazing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1497.0,1498.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1499.0,1499.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So 1982 does everything close with the love club? You move on,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1500.0,1504.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1505.0,1504.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Where do you go after that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1505.0,1506.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Where did I go? I still lived on South Street. I sort of stepped away from doing shows. Oh, you know what? I started doing skateboard contest. I put on like three or four of Philadelphia's early, early street skating contest, and I did this event. I was attached to this skate shop there, Spike Skates. I did this event called Wild in the Streets, where it was just like fucking 300 skaters just pushing through the streets of Philly. Streets in Philly were awesome. They were smooth, not like anything like here, smooth, and yeah, little hills near and there, really cool. Yeah, so I did those, and then yeah, and then I think it was 85 I split,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1507.0,1558.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1559.0,1558.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I moved to Vail, Colorado.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1559.0,1560.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Why did the budget stop doing shows? Maybe, too. What happened?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1561.0,1565.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It just, you know, what it felt like. The scene not died, but just was like not there anymore. It seemed like so this other group of guys, my really good friends, who both have passed away now, they had this other place over on or right by the University of Penn, called the CE Center, and they started doing shows, and I was like, almost relieved. I was like, \"Oh, shit, now we don't have to do this, because it was a hassle. Yeah, not really a hassle, but it was like there was always dumb shit going on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1566.0,1599.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1600.0,1600.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and me being me, you know, I got tired of refereeing it, so these other guys sort of took it over, and we would go watch shows there. I mean, I probably went there five times. I was more interested in seeing like cool bands in somebody's living room or backyard party or something that wasn't overly organized, you know what I mean, just something cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1601.0,1624.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, so you split down. Let's fast forward to coming to Tucson. How did you wind up in Tucson? Because from my understanding, you and Steve came out around the same time, is that correct? No. See, I had come","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1625.0,1638.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: here, we have to go backwards again. I came here in the summer of 77 when I graduated high school from South Florida. My mom had a house here, my mom had a number of different houses here, and I was in the skateboarding thing, and I was doing really well in skateboarding, you know, whatever that meant. I won some contests and made 1000 bucks. Whoopty shit, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1639.0,1665.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: that's big time for a skateboard here. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1666.0,1667.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it was cool, and I got some, you know, yeah, yeah. Anyhow, I still sucked by any standard, I so I, at some point here, got tired of the whole thing here. I think I had two different cars break down, and I just was like, you know, I used to hitchhike across Tucson to get home, and it just didn't make sense anymore. So I was like, you know what, I'm going to try something. I walked in a Navy recruiter and said, 'Get me the fuck out of here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1668.0,1704.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1705.0,1704.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Three days later, I was in San Diego. It wasn't anything, well, you know, I had long hair, longer than what I have now, and they cut it all off, and it was, uh, yeah, it was odd. But, you know what? When I, I'm sorry, when I eventually, when I got assigned to a ship, I bought a skateboard, and I had skateboard on aircraft carrier. So then I went to Philly, and I met Steve and his girlfriend, and I moved in with them. And then he was like, \"Hey, my brother is going to U of A. I was like, \"Why the fuck is that, man? I'm meeting you here, your brother's where I just came from, so Steve then moved from Philly to here. That's when he got this place, like 8585 ish, I think before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1705.0,1753.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1754.0,1757.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I went to Vail, Colorado, and I snowboarded all that year and all the next year, and yeah, it was pretty bad. I say hated snowboarders. Those ski areas wouldn't allow snowboarding on their ski area, Vale and Beaver Creek. It was ridiculous, so I had to ski, and then on weekends and night I would snowboard. It's cool, great experience. And then my friend Howard, part of the partnership in Philly, he had a house in San Francisco, and he's like, \"Come out here, man, come out here, go dig it. Like I got my car, fucking 80s Pontiac Catalina. The guy had $300 in my pocket. Drove to San Francisco.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1758.0,1808.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1809.0,1810.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I got there. I had like 150 bucks. I lived in a closet, dude. I got a job painting houses real quick. I did some shows there, some incredible shows there. I was involved in, you know, little bands like Nirvana and Soundgarden, totally crazy show. And San Francisco opened my eyes, man. San Francisco is a different world. It was then, you know what I mean. You, I had dreadlocks, and you could walk into somebody's house, like being a house painter, walking in somebody's house, and they'd be like, How much, how much can we pay you to paint our house? And I'm like, in Philly, they wouldn't even fucking look at me, you know what I mean? They'd be like, scared. Yeah, the San Francisco residents, people have been there for a while, they've been through every scene, they, you know, they've been through the hippie scene, the gay scene, the, you know, all that stuff. So, nothing shocked him, and I was just like, \"Whoa, shit, this is cool. Anyhow, the skateboarding scene there was, yeah, I had to relearn how to skate all over again. It was this fucking badass.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1811.0,1875.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1876.0,1876.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so I was there for a while, and then the girlfriend I left Philly with, she was literally in San Francisco, and then her and I sort of split up, and Steve's brother, who lived here, drove up, got me and my stuff, and we drove back, and I lived up there. I lived, actually, I lived in the basement for a month or so, and then I moved up there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1877.0,1899.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1900.0,1900.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and I went from paying like 700 a month to paying 50 bucks here, no responsibilities, nothing, you know. We had all of downtown to ourselves. When I say that, I mean all of downtown. It was absolute ghost town to see what it is now, and tell people, like I told you earlier, we would break in, like, 191 that was our, that was our hangout at night, nobody would, you know, we'd go in and out of there all we wanted,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1901.0,1930.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1931.0,1931.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: just like anything down here, Fox Theater, we had giant parties in there on the stage,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1932.0,1938.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so you guys started doing shows pretty quickly once you arrived in town, or was Steve already doing? Steve","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1939.0,1945.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was doing some shows","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1946.0,1946.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: here. It wasn't called Dodi at that point, right? It's called something else,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1947.0,1949.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Datura. We called the Hell Rad Club at first, okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1950.0,1953.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1954.0,1955.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: then I think I went to Datura, Dodik, and but that was all pre-DPC, not all of it. I think Dodik was after DPC, but we were doing shows here. We did Fugazi here, of all things, one of the bigger shows. Crash Worship played here,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1956.0,1975.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and you were using your contacts you made in Philly to get bands out here, or they would just..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1976.0,1979.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: no, I think Steve had all the contacts at that point,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1980.0,1981.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so he's doing the booking","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1982.0,1982.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: because of the art gallery situation here, and that's sort of underground, sort of punk scene, art punk scene, steampunk scene, you know, I don't even know how to say it, it's yeah, it's just like a musician scene,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1983.0,1998.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=1999.0,1999.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: all happened here, and then the city said can't do shows here anymore, which states fucking said it to us all every time. And why? Remember the day we walked over there, and we were like looking at, let's go look at some other buildings, like cool walk over there, and we got inside somehow. The front building was.. I don't know if you remember the front, there was a front building, was a library book storage for the library, there's fucking a million books in there, and the back one was wide open, it was a garage, and the state owned it for the, for the roadway","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2000.0,2037.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: here,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2038.0,2038.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and we ended up getting that building, I think it was 400 bucks a month, and right away it was.. 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Anyhow, yeah, I put all that together over there, and we didn't have any money. We were completely fucking broke, man. These are the days when credit card companies would send you a check for $1,000 and be like, \"You want this, give us back the money, you know, as you can. We never paid them back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2055.0,2080.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, so that's how you floated in the beginning,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2081.0,2082.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, and, and I'll tell you, there was bands that were malignant youth, we almost have a show with them every month to pay all the bills, because there really was no money, you know, like I said, I was working 40 hours a week at a. Day job for a furniture builder in town, very famous, famed furniture builder. And then I'd go over there and work, and if there was no money, I wasn't getting any money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2083.0,2106.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2107.0,2107.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: you know, and if I was getting money, it was 40 bucks,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2108.0,2110.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: right? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2111.0,2111.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I didn't care. I was involved, it was my thing. I built the whole fucking thing, you know, that as far as like the sound system and all that, I didn't. I put it together, kept track of it, which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2112.0,2123.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you use the money for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2124.0,2123.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Somebody needed to do that, you know. We'd get an extra 400 bucks, and it wasn't Craig, Craigslist, it was newspaper. We would get, look for used equipment, buy a fucking power amp, PVCS eight hundreds. I don't know if you remember those big boat anchor things, they were garbage in today's world, but you know, we'd spend 400 bucks here, there, beg, borrow, and steal, built a sound system that was decent, decent. I mean, I look back on it and go, holy shit, I built that out of my head.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2124.0,2159.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Let's go back a second here. When you moved from Philly to San Francisco, they had these amazing punk scenes. You come to Tucson, what was that like? Because when I was speaking with Anita Stevens, she said this quote, which I thought was really funny. 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So, she","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2185.0,2192.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: said moving from Philly to Tucson was akin from moving to LA to, like, heal a bin, as far as, like, the music scene was concerned. Did you have that impression, or what was your impression?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2193.0,2205.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I went to Vail, and then to San Francisco, and was involved in some crazy, amazing shit out there. I built a whole theater there, and worked in a nightclub there, which, you know, I mixed, yeah, incredible bands that, yeah, we're not there yet,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2206.0,2225.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2226.0,2225.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So, so this is this is a this is a big step. When I moved here, I couldn't accept the fact, and I still don't. I just had this argument yesterday with somebody, I still don't accept the fact that this could have been a punk, that punk rock could exist here, because I always thought of it as being an inner city thing, where it was like inner, the inner city struggle of, like, of like, you know, young people having trouble finding jobs, being discriminated against for this, that, and the other thing, you know what I mean, and just being like it being always having to be on edge, Tucson didn't present any of that. It was all, hey man, but relax, no hippie shit. People aren't wearing shoes here, you know what I mean. It's like short pants, and you know, like in Philly, you walk down the street, you better be fucking prepared, because somebody might jump your ass, you know what I mean, especially if you're anything like a, like a punk rocker, and us being skateboarders, we got out of a lot of shit because we could haul ass, and also you, your skateboard for war, you know what I mean, I can tell you a few times, I crack people, so, so, but coming here and seeing this, I was like, this is Candy, ass man. This is like, this is like not.. and all these people think they're punk rockers, and you know, you're not.. you're not wearing a leather jacket in this heat, and it just.. it didn't.. it didn't.. it still is odd for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2226.0,2316.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: But there's clearly a thriving.. well, there was a punk rock scene here happening, and bands were touring here, and we had local bands, yeah, but I wouldn't call","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2317.0,2323.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it punk rock scene. See, what DPC started, I think it was the early 90s, 91 I moved here, I moved here after the earthquake in San Francisco, like a month after, maybe two months after the earthquake, because I was working, I had a lot of work to do. I came here, so the whole grunge thing was starting to happen. I actually, in this room, I was playing a Nirvana album, white vinyl album that I have in this room, so what it was, a transitioning from what was hardcore punk to this more rock and roll thing, you know, like the whole Seattle thing. It was transitioning to that, so for me that was kind of hard to say. Put it on the same level, it wasn't on the same level","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2324.0,2378.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: esthetically, or as far as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2379.0,2380.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it didn't appeal to me, music didn't have the energy. I wasn't scared, you know what I mean. It was, it wasn't frightening, it wasn't like, you know, like, yeah, it was people trying to write music, and be the commercial aspect of it had sort of cre. Den you know, so do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2381.0,2401.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you see that as like a natural extension of just the form itself evolving? Because you think of bands like Coos Care, do they start off as like a hardcore punk band, and those","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2402.0,2409.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: guys are all my good friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2410.0,2410.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2411.0,2411.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so I mean, don't you think it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2412.0,2412.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: kind of they took it to the limits, so what else could these artists even do at this point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2413.0,2416.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Absolutely, I mean that whole heart early hardcore scene had a beginning and end, and people today, you know, they're like, oh yeah, we're a punk rock band. I'm like, no, you're not. So, and I'm not trying to be a gatekeeper, it's just where I'm at, you know what I mean? Like, I'm on those silly fucking over 50 punk rock pages on Facebook, and I see these kids are like, yeah, it's. and I'm not trying to be a gatekeeper, it's just how I feel about it. I mean, I think the whole thing was fucking dead in 82 I think I couldn't tell you when and why, it just all of a sudden didn't feel the same. I think contrived is the word I'm looking for, but it became more and more of that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2417.0,2461.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: but don't you feel that the DIY spirit persisted? 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I mean, there was probably, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2472.0,2484.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2485.0,2485.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So we were, because of our past, this was easy for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2486.0,2493.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: us, yeah, because you've established your foothold, right? Yeah, yeah. So let's talk about those early days of the DPC. You talked about how you had a little bit of trouble here at Dodi from the city. Did you have any trouble establishing yourself over the new location of the DPC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2494.0,2508.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, they, they told us what we could do, what we couldn't, and where we needed to exits, and everything, and you know, you have to get permits for this. We didn't get shit. I saw holes that big into the door you walked in the front of the place. I took a fucking saw and cut the wall out and put that door in, put the little walkway ramp in, cut a door out in the back of the building, ran all the electrical for all the emergency lighting. We did all that, me and another one of the people that was crucial in the DPC, Mark Rosenberg, who we could not have done that without Mark, with his electrical knowledge and his ability to find things that we needed. Yeah, like the cheapest things. Anyhow, the city, I have a photo here in my phone that is me standing in the doorway with a sign that says the state of Arizona says we need to have a million dollar liability insurance before we can allow anybody to dance here, please, no dancing. So we had that sign there, yeah, and they would come around, you know, it was a state thing. The city kind of stayed out of it. They didn't know what to think about. 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We try to keep the numbers down, five, five bands, five bucks, you know, a lot of times it was hard to do five bands, a lot of times during the week, you know, you get 15 people showing up. 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I could see that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2688.0,2689.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, that was, uh, but it was really hard to, like, Steve was, yeah, it overwhelmed him, enforcing it, you know. 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Those schedules, when I had them on paper, and I would take them in the office of Rialto and go, \"Look, this is what I did 10 years before I came here, and those people would just shit freak, because you know, book schedule and bands were just unreal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2788.0,2804.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I mean, it means like it seemed like there's a concerted effort to have diversity of bands that were playing there, and not just on separate shows, but even on the bill. 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And as far as diversity goes, I think it was who approached us,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2816.0,2819.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2820.0,2820.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and yeah, we sort of weeded out the.. we didn't really let the, the rockers, you know what I mean, the Hessians, or whatever they call it, I don't even know, we only had a couple of those shows where those guys would come in,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2821.0,2835.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2836.0,2836.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and you know, they had their hair and their guitar sacks, and it was just a different scene. 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I remember there was like, I can't think of the band of some big band, and I said, 'You guys ready to go on? And they're like, 'Yeah, we're gonna go on. I said, 'There ain't much money for you tonight. How much is there? I said, 'A 100 bucks or something. I said, so if you want to adjust your set, you can be like, adjust our set, you know. I'm thinking, in like, okay, do I get three songs for 50, or you know what I mean? I'm thinking, like, dude, I don't want this is such a cool band, I don't want you guys to think I'm trying to cheap you, but and you can adjust your set, and they just weren't having it. 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You know, it's like, yeah, I was just some dorky kid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2900.0,2904.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, so obviously that sign didn't work. People were moshing at the shows.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2905.0,2909.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2910.0,2910.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And you never got flack from the city about that. The","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2911.0,2913.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: city wasn't really the person, it was the state that owned all these, this building,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2914.0,2917.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yes, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2918.0,2918.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: that building, and my building, that was the state, and we weren't supposed to live in these buildings, you know. They came around and checked on us there once in a while. They always changed their property manager, you know, and if it was some guy that was just new and being an asshole, he wanted to know why there was a bed here for a while, there was this, this woman who I became really good friends with. Let's do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2919.0,2949.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2950.0,2949.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, she'd come through and be like, I don't see any of this shit, but it's cool shit","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=2950.0,2959.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: before we started this interview, you asked me to pointedly ask you your thoughts on washing. 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That's what I felt like. So, so with my experience over the years watching it be watered down when it got to a point where Atlantis Morris said would stop her show and say, What are you guys doing, because they were doing that mosh thing, so my thinking on that was MTV taught them that this is how you react to this music, they were, they were taught how to act, how to respond to the music, versus where we were genuinely responding to the emotion, I mean, it was in our body, it was, you know, I told Greg again that once ago, I was like, your guitar tone got inside me and drove me to fucking want to jump off stages, wanted to push my friends around, wanted to just be like, you know, out of control. There was no rhyme or reason to it. Now it's like, you know, pick them up, do this, you know, go like this wall of death. It's there was none of that, dude. It was like you're just some wacko kid jumping on, jumping off the speaker stack on, on the, and of course the skaters took it to another level. 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For why it was chaos. And then New York started the circle thing, and then there was a few of us in New York, and mainly in New York, a couple of singers, famous singers and bands, and myself, we would go the other way just to be fucking chaos, and we were punching people, I mean, it was, it was insane, I'm talking about Minor Thread Bad Brain shows, you know, void shows, all those shows where the music was, that you know what I'm saying. 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I don't know if that's the right word, commodified, but. but I just think that they MTV said over the years it started with MTV, and then it went elsewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3153.0,3168.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: It got internalized, and it became the metal","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3169.0,3170.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: scene, got it and turned it into something. And then I was like, this is gross, man, this is not so. And then it became like, yeah, it became ugly. I watch it now, like these kids now doing the karate kicks and stuff, and I'm just like, \"Are you fucking kidding me? That's so stupid, man. It's just, you're not, you're not reacting to the music. This is what.. yeah. Anyhow,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3171.0,3191.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3192.0,3193.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: you get my point. I do. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3194.0,3195.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And to what you were saying, I remember when I first started going to what was deemed hardcore shows in the early 2000s which the band sounded like metal bands to me. I had grown up listening to, like, Minor Threat, and you know, those types of bands, and I saw the kids, were younger kids, you know, 1617, doing like those karate chops and air cakes, and it was so confusing to me, because it was so not what I would used to sing, you know, so I immediately felt disconnected from the punk scene through bad acts, since it was so unfamiliar to what I had known at the BBC, and going to the punk shows leading up to that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3196.0,3233.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, for me, if, and I've been to a few of those shows, I used to provide sound to Scrappies back in the day, when it was there on the corner, you know, and I've been to a few of those under, under younger punk rock shows, and I swear, you know, I've told my friends, if they come over here and they fucking hit me, I'm punching them right in the face,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3234.0,3252.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3253.0,3254.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3255.0,3254.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and to me, it's just, you know, it was equal parts, okay? I've aged out of something, and also things have evolved, you know. This is clearly something that's not for me,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3255.0,3262.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: right? Jarred my memory on something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3263.0,3264.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3265.0,3265.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: come back to it. It's the Jawbox show. Come back to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3266.0,3269.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: it. Okay, so yeah, let's talk about the Jawblock show.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3270.0,3271.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Okay, Jawbox show, that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3272.0,3274.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: was with what was that with Teeth, and the one with Teeth and Jawbreaker.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3275.0,3279.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Were you there? I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3280.0,3280.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: wasn't there, but I'd seen it on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3281.0,3282.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the.. I don't know if it was Jawbreaker, but it might have been. I can't remember, really. But they were the sweetest people. They were super nice. They were DC people, you know. We had good connections. We knew some of those people, and there was.. there was two musicians from Tucson. Who were musicians studying music at the university? One of the guys passed away. One of them was a bass player. One was a drummer. Yeah, I don't want to mention names, but they came in drunk, really fucked up, and they were yelling at them, play some fucking punk rock, play some fucking punk rock, you know, just being stupid. And, of course, me being me, I pushed them out of the building. 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Next day, I come over here because I was living in South Tucson with my wife at the time and my kid. I come over here and those guys are standing right","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3339.0,3353.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: here inside the solar, standing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3354.0,3354.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: right here, apologizing to Steve. They saw me come in and Steve's like, oh, I grabbed the fucking table out there, dude, and I flipped the table up. I flipped it up in the air. I said, you want punk rock? Here it is. You want something? Don't fucking ever come to my shows and do that shit ever again. I said, what you're gonna do right now, and Steve agreed. What you're gonna do for us right now is you're gonna write an apology. We're gonna post it on the fucking wall over there, and we're gonna send it to the Ben Snail now, of course. Yeah, send","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3355.0,3386.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: it to the band.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3387.0,3386.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: You're gonna apologize to the city of Tucson, to the scene here, and you're gonna apologize to the band. Yeah, they did it. They","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3387.0,3392.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: did it. Okay, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3393.0,3394.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I came in here and fucking went wild when I saw them. I was like, you can't fucking.. 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Yeah, people don't understand people when people see me interact with him, they're like, \"How come you're so mean to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3403.0,3413.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: him? Familiarity, right? It's family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3414.0,3416.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Steve has been. he's taught me more about a lot about life that I would have never ever gotten to if I hadn't met him, you know. I was a kid from Florida, man. My parents were fucking racist. My, you know, my whole upbringing was shitty, like, oh, there's that water. Was, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3417.0,3438.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: for you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3439.0,3439.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/244","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No, cool. Okay, you know, it was just a different way of thinking, and all of a sudden I was in downtown Philly, like three blocks from the fucking high-rise projects, where it was like, you know, Steve's approach to it all opened my eyes to, like, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3440.0,3457.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/245","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3458.0,3457.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So I credit him with teaching me and getting my getting me out of that whole fucking shitty mindset of yeah, how I was raised,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3458.0,3467.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah, yeah. Well, sometimes you need somebody to like catalyst, right, to kick you out of familiarity, right? Shake your robot. So, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3468.0,3474.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I mean, yes, we are. You speak of that, you see it right there? Yeah, who do you think did that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3475.0,3480.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, let's go back a little bit. You had mentioned Malignus Youth, and I want to talk about the relationships you, the DPC, had Forbes with bands, specifically I'm thinking of local bands. Yeah, you want to talk a little bit about that? Living this youth, fucked, I know, fuck, played there all the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3481.0,3501.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, fucked was one of them. Malignus was, was awesome, because it was always a crowd, and they were always like, keep the money, keep this place going, which was, you know, looking back on it, yeah, we would have really struggled if we didn't have that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3502.0,3519.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and it seems like you guys had a relationship with from the early days with Ian McKay and his various bands, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3520.0,3526.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I could call him right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3527.0,3528.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/253","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3529.0,3528.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: you know what I mean. So it's like, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3529.0,3530.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so you just get to have these","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=3531.0,3531.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Joe, Joe Alley, he's a dear friend of this place, and us a band I want to mention just because I think it's really important, and Spill Blanket, I think Spill Blanket Fuzz, but I think Spill Blanket was the most unique and probably the most powerful music to come out of that scene. 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I don't see, even with all my time at Rialto, which was 25 years of 200 shows a year, and plus, plus other shows, um, yeah, nothing really very, very little sticks out to me. 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You're recording on the board,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=61.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/272","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: yeah. And I had to be like inventive, I guess would be the word, because the board that we had was junk, I I mean, absolute junk, you know, and be like, I can't fucking use this, like Blind Melon, Blind Melon, Blind Melon was the biggest band that we ever had that, we lost the most money on. 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Got an inheritance, and she gave me, you know, she helped no home, and yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=64.0,64.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: so did you open that as like a compliment to the DPC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=65.0,64.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: Yeah, that's what it was. Yeah, because you know, there was nothing down here. 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I fucking love that. 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You know, we there, and there's definitely a price to pay for doing all the things we love, man. So I wrote something here a while back. I was one look at it, you know, do the things you love, and you know, you, you know, you pay a price for it, but you also can't explain why you want to keep doing it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=78.0,77.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/389","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:1: you know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=78.0,77.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/390","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:1: what I mean, and it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=78.0,77.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/391","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:1: well, I think seeing Boyd would be something that would inspire me, but I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=78.0,77.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/392","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:1: mean, on a bigger, bigger sense, a bigger whole thing, overall sort of career thing, I, I, when you, when you do something that you love for your whole life, you give up so many other things, because you come, become focused on that, and you pay a price for not being able to do these other things, and it's not really, you can't really put your finger on it. What you missed and why you continue to go down this path that, like, didn't bring me any fucking great riches. It didn't bring me any of that shit, you know? I made a salary, you know, whatever that was enough to live in a little bit here and there, but it still draws me in, and you know, going back to the show thing, I'd still go to a fucking punk rock party in somebody's backyard just about any day of the week, depending on what it is, you know what I mean. So, yes, I have paid a price in my life for living like this. I also have seen things that very few have. I talked to Pete Stall, the singer of the fuck was his band's name, DC Band, but his brother Franz. God damn it, not Wool. Wool was one of them, anyhow, you know, and we were, we had drinks, and I'll think of it here in a second. 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It was, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=81.0,80.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/403","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:2: but having","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=81.0,80.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/404","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:2: shitty, having a shitty stepmother, yeah, having a, an incredibly shitty stepmother, who, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=81.0,80.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/405","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:2: well, I immensely thank you for your time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=81.0,80.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/406","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:2: yeah. Well, I, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=81.0,80.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/407","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:2: and I look forward to your memoir. Do you want to talk about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419#t=81.0,80.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170510/file/309419/transcript/95122/annotation/408","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:2: Yeah, I'll get into that. 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He was a dear friend, big part of the scene, big fucking troublemaker in the scene, but I love him. Joey Furneaux, who had the No Wool show on KXCI, you should probably talk to Joey, Joey, and then Nadia, my ex, who was in the band Thin Ting Garter. 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Yeah, that was the other use for the video cameras that I forgot to tell you shows, skateboarding, and yeah, it's private stuff that the girlfriends, the girls are actually.. I just spoke with one of them tonight, you know. They were all concerned. That's not going to get out of the public, is it? 30 years, we had fun, we had tons of fun. 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