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It's march 31 2026 I'm sitting here with Mark Miller, aka Mark Beef, in Tucson, Arizona. This is an oral history for the Downtown Performance Center Oral History Collection to be donated to the University of Arizona Special Collections Library. Thanks so much for joining me today, Mark. I really appreciate it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=0.0,18.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: You are most welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=19.0,20.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I'm hoping we could start this interview off by talking about the very beginnings, how you discovered and got involved in the Tucson Underground Music Scene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=21.0,28.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So, I had moved here from Chicago with my family, and I really, all I knew it was this was 1980 the beginning of 1980 and I pretty much hated fucking music at the time, that was what was popular and played on the radio, and shit, and so I moved to Rio Rico, which is just like five miles north of Nogales, but it's surrounded by mountains, so unless you have cable, you can't get any TV or radio stations, so we had cable, so I could get USA and TBS and other, so like USA, I would watch Night Flight, and that had tons of fucking Devo and you know, Gary Newman, and all kinds of videos, and Ramones, and blah blah blah, and then also at the time they had just started this show, I want to say ABC called Fridays was like a rip-off of Saturday Night Live, Larry David was on it, Michael Richards, but they had fucking all their musical guests were like the jam, fucking Elvis Costello, Devo Plasmatics, Plasmatics blew my fucking head off, like this chick with like no shirt on electrical tape on her nipples, chainsaw guitar in half, and blowing up a car, and shit like that. So I was like, what the fuck is this? So I love that kind of stuff. And then, like, I, I also discovered, like, Dr. Demento at the same time, so it was like, it all, I was like, oh, this is a way cooler kind of music going on, and so I was into that shit, and then I gradually, I think, I think it was 96 rock that had like Sunday nights called Virgin Vinyl, and it was like the punk new wave show, whatever,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=29.0,134.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: is that KOPS,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=135.0,135.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, okay, 96.1 KL Bigs, and so I heard about shows that were going on through that, I came, I thought there was a record store called Roads to Moscow that was, I think, the main one was in Phoenix, but they had a franchise down here in Tucson, something's pissing on us, but so I'd go up there, and there's the flyers on the fucking wall. Actually, before Rose Moscow, there was a place called, well, Zips, and one of the original Zips locations was in Park Mall, as right next door to the fucking video arcade. So, like, I'd go in there and play video games, and then I'd also go in the records store, and my friend Paul Young, who was later to be in Blood Spassem and stuff, was working there, and so he'd be like, 'Hey, you should listen to this, you should introduce me like Black Flag and Suicide Tennesses, and all that kind of shit. And so I kind of got, and then he would tell me about, because he was in, want to say, he was in Civil death, which was like a brother band, not really, they, they think they both hated each other. To Conflict, which is another local band, Conflict, that was like half female, half male. Conflict was Civil Death, was just all dudes, but and Lenny was the singer for that band, but so he introduced, there's a whatever the fucking place that was on Fourth Avenue that burned down the backstage or back door or whatever it was, and I never went to any of those places because I was fucking way too young, and like I said, I was living down in basically Nogales, so I could get up here, unless my parents wanted to come up here, so that's how I discovered the Tucson music, quote unquote, music scene. Although really the only bands that I heard at the time, because nobody had fucking records out or anything, was a band called Street Pajama, which later on became they became that the two main people were writing jingles, like the beat the peak jingle about not watering between four and eight. They do one at the library too. They did one for the library that Vinnie was in. I don't remember Vinny, the Indian kid that was like a street punk, he got killed by the cops a couple years ago, that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=136.0,280.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: sounds vaguely familiar, but he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=281.0,281.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was, he was one of the kids reading in the library. Okay, I can't remember what the song for the library one was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=282.0,288.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I think it's on YouTube.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=289.0,289.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, but well, there were a bunch on you, and then, oh, the other one that was like half Mexican. Hey, Tucson, just take a look around you and. Make it up to some clean and beautiful,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=290.0,302.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah, but not as three pajamas songwriting duo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=303.0,311.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So, so then I don't remember what the first like local show was that I went to, think it was pretty a lot later, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=312.0,321.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: but like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=322.0,322.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: when I first kind of got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=323.0,324.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: into the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=325.0,324.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: scene, it was like fucked in Opinion Zero, and there's a band called Bowel Movement, Civil Order.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=325.0,331.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: How old were you? Roughly,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=332.0,333.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: probably 17, because I was driving by that time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=334.0,336.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: driving by that time. Yeah, so growing up that formative era in Rio Rico and slash Nogales, was there anybody else remotely into punk rock, or did you have anybody to bond with in that regard?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=337.0,348.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Not in my town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=349.0,350.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=351.0,350.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I mean, my town, I was.. well, there's this thing too. So I know, I know everyone talks about how the metal heads hated the punks, and punks hated the metal heads, and blah blah. In my town, there was only probably 200 kids, kids tops, to begin with, so there was like maybe 20 of us that were into music that wasn't played on the radio,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=351.0,367.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=368.0,368.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And like, most of them were metal heads, so I was into Iron Maiden, Jesus, Priest, Black Sabbath, all that shit, but I was also getting into punk, and so some of them would like listen to it, be like, yeah, that's cool, whatever, but they weren't really into it, but I'd come up here and meet kids, and there were some kids that lived because when I graduated junior high, which was Calabasas down there, I could have gone to either Nogales or Sagurita, and because both of them, they would bust me too, I could have gone anywhere, but they only bused to those two schools, and I chose Saudita because I didn't have to do homework at home ever. It was an hour-long bus ride, so I could just do my homework, the whole ride up there, the whole ride back, or whatever, you know, get it done. And so, on the whole ride up there, they would pick up kids in Tumacocque, three, two back, a mod Amato, Aravaca, fucking Green Valley, so we're not going to tell you, but Serena, and all those surrounding areas. So there are some kids that were into that shit along the way that I met, and then we like have friendships and whatever, and they'd like see them, maybe if something was going on, we go, hey, we should go to this, you know, whatever. But otherwise, it was all there were no real kids in my town that were into it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=369.0,449.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And were you dressing the part when you got into.. no, I just wore","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=450.0,452.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: fucking jeans and so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=453.0,454.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you could fly under the radar. So let's go back to when you started going to shows what age roughly, and do you remember what venues you were going to here in town?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=455.0,464.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I was well, I probably first started going like 15 because I had older friends by that time that could drive, so I would like get a drive up to their house from my parents and then come up to Tucson or sometimes we'd skip school and going to Tucson from Saudita, and so probably that's when I started going to shows, you know, smaller Tucson local shows, so yeah, probably 85 to, and then I moved up here in 88","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=465.0,499.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: What were the all ages venues you could go","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=500.0,502.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: to? It was always like there was always something, because there's always kids from the scene that were putting stuff on and throwing shows, and so there'd be like a business, just like you know, there'd be some restaurant or whatever that was doing shit business, so some kid would, hey, can we have some bands play here? It'll bring people in, they'll buy sandwiches, or they'll buy this, or like there's a place called Nino's that was definitely an over 21 club, but if you went there and bought a sandwich and you were under 21 you could get in, as long as you bought something from them, and that was on first. I want to say just north of Grant, right by that Fry's,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=503.0,544.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=545.0,544.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: right around the corner, where all the.. there was a bunch of playground equipment. You used to be outside. Oh, right. I don't know, I don't know what it is now, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=545.0,551.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: right, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=552.0,552.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And so, like, Red Hot Chili Peppers played there, Johnny Thunder has played there. 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I mean, I guess I was like, you know, it was curious, and it's a new thing, new people, new, you know, stuff like that, but it wasn't like it wasn't like I was, I mean, I was ready to break out and fucking do other shit, like I didn't want to just be stuck in, I mean, for fun in Rio Rico, we would go into washes and fucking set fires to the fucking dead grass and shit, yeah, and like smoke weed and fucking do this thing called right, riding the chicken, where you would fucking smoke weed, and then you'd stand up and you'd fucking hyperventilate, and then you'd fucking sit down, and you'd choke yourself out until you passed out. You'd flop around on the ground. 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No, no, no, no. Okay, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=725.0,727.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I mean, me and some of my friends got amps and guitars and stuff after that, and we would like fuck around with each other, but we never like formed a band and like try to play any shows.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=728.0,739.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did you make any friends with the people from Tucson when you were coming up? Yeah, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=740.0,744.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: some of them, a lot of them are passed on now or don't live here anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=745.0,751.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=752.0,752.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but there are some that are still around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=753.0,754.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, so let's let's fast forward a little bit to the DPC. So, how did you become aware of it, and I'm assuming you went through the entire duration of his open, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=755.0,764.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, yeah, pretty much. So, before the DPC, the Steve, I can't move here from Steve and Bruce moved here from Philly, and he, they had basically, I think it was mostly Steve, had had a place called Love Hall in Philadelphia, and they had tons of shows there, and Bruce, I think, had a camera, or maybe Steve had a camera, so they would videotape them as, like, their minor threat, bad brains, all that kind of shit. And then they moved here, and they kind of wanted to do the same thing, and they had this, they opened up where they were living, and it was called the Hell Rad Club, and they had a half pipe skateboard ramp, and they're just living there, and probably selling weed, and whatever, but so they first started doing, I don't remember if they had any shows called Hell Rad Club, or they started it, changed names to the Dodiac Internation, don't it's like D O D J I A K, you'd have to ask Steve I what the fuck that meant, but I saw some shows there, like Ian McKay's brother Alec, his band Ignition played there early, early on, Neurosis played there early on some other bands, I think. I think even maybe Fugazi played there once. I don't know, but they did have, like, I remember one one show was SNFU and Beowulf, and my friend Johnny Glue is there, and some wrestling coach from Am Fire or something. Okay, I don't know why he came there, but he came there looking to start a fight, and so he got in a fight with my friend Johnny, who he was like, I said, he was a fucking wrestling coach. So Johnny was older than me, but he was still probably 20 years older than Johnny, and he got his ass whooped. 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Oh, well, so that whole fucking process of connecting aviation to I 10, that project got into the beginning of it, so they're going to have to get rid of all. All those buildings downtown that would make that up where they were connected, so Steve, I got the chance to rent out the building that was became the DPC for like $100 a month. Oh, we could do all the shows that we've been doing here over there, it's like a lot bigger, blah blah blah blah. So they started doing that, and then anyone that knew about what was going on, the Dodiac, it's like, oh, cool, we can go to, you know, DPC is a new place, blah blah, so we just start going there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=883.0,927.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Was there any real difference between Dodiac, like the scene around Dodiac, and that developed around the early days of the DPC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=928.0,934.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: The only difference that I really know, at least at the beginning, was that it was a bigger building, and then as it became more known, bigger bands would go there, more kids around town would go there, and in some ways it was a lot cooler, because it got bigger, the scene got bigger, more people were involved, it was definitely like I'm sure you know, at the beginning it wanted to be like Gilman or ABC, no Rio, or whatever, where, like, you could hang out. It was almost like, if you're a kid, you could hang out there. I mean, they weren't open 24 hours, but they were open when they didn't have shows, and hours before they didn't have show, or so, like, you could go there, and they had a library, they had, like, you know, stuff to do, and whatnot, but then at the same time, a problem arose out of that, because it became the main focus for the whole fucking scene, so, like, I said before, because there was no real regular place to play, everyone had to fucking find their own place and work to get shows put on there, and then it would catch on. People go, oh, well, shows are happening here, because, like, record stores, all kinds of places had shows before the DPC. Once the DPC was solidified, though, and that's what happened. It was very rare to have a show anywhere else. Okay, and it was kind of like, yeah, that kind of sucks. 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I like Congress, or whatever, like the cramps, or you know, whatever,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1030.0,1040.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: bigger bands, yeah, bigger bands, older and more established, right, right, right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1041.0,1043.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but it was like everyone just kind of like gave up and said, \"Oh, well, we got the DPC, we don't need anything else, which I thought was detrimental","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1044.0,1051.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: to the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1052.0,1052.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: health of the scene, like I'm not talking shit about Steve, I'm not saying that anybody did anything wrong, I just think when you're given something, then you kind of like don't care about anything else, but you know, like, if some chick is going to start fucking you, you're not like gonna, oh well, I'm gonna try to find some other girl, maybe they're like better, you know, just like, oh, I don't, any problems that you might have with the thing you can overlook,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1053.0,1079.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so you think it was detrimental in the sense that it, he was the sole person running the music scene at a certain point, is that what you mean by that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1080.0,1087.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, and but I don't mean he was intentionally doing right, yeah, like, but and so if you had a band coming to town, you could talk to him and be like, hey, this band is coming to town next month on this day, blah blah, could they play here, and five times out of six he would say yes. So you could, I'm not saying he was an overlord in any way like that, but just like I think I've seen this healthier when you can have more places to play. 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That's an interesting.. I haven't heard, I hadn't heard that. That's an interesting, interesting perspective on that. So, the early days of the DPC, what did you have? What was your impression of the people that were going there, and the scene that was kind of coalescing around that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1117.0,1131.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, it was kind of the same impression that I've had of Tucson in general. It's like Tucson has always been. Tucson has never been like I Like a really on-brand, like all the trope, fucking, like, you know, oh, well, Tucson was, you know, had all these straight edge bands, and all the, you know, the kids that are fucking doing straight edge shit, and kung fu dancing, and whatever, or it was always weirdos, like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1132.0,1161.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1162.0,1161.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was always the weirdos and freaks that were like involved in the band, so it was always a little left to center. It was always like everything that would ever be presented to you, even if they wanted to be like Black Flag, it was like not quite, it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1162.0,1174.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: was like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1175.0,1175.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: a little different, and other influences happening. So I mean, and Steve was definitely very into zen and meditation. He thought everyone just needed a hug, and you know, like, oh, you know, I know that guy, I know you guys don't like that guy, but like one time these Nazis came down from Phoenix, and fucking were trying to get enough. Fight with somebody, and like, calling people the N word, and doing all kinds of stupid shit, and a fight finally did break out, and they ran off to, like, I think the Dairy Queen on Fourth Avenue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1176.0,1210.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1211.0,1211.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but they left their car there in the parking lot, and it was fucking.. you could tell it was their car, because I had a bunch of racist fucking bumper stickers. 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I think Neil admits no,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1220.0,1221.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it was like some kind of Crown Victoria, but I had like officers, because if I knew it was going to be like this, I'd have picked my own cotton, and she like Pastors, so all their windows got broken, and then Steve came out and was like, 'Hey, hey, you guys gotta leave these, these people's car alone. I called the cops, or they called the cops, I guess. They went to a bay phone by the Dairy Queen, called the cops, said people ran them off, and their car was still down there, but they didn't feel safe. So, the cops were on their way. So, and he comes out, and he volunteers me to protect the car from the crowd. He's like, Mark, you need to stand out here and make sure nobody ruins this car, damages anymore. I'm like, okay, Steve. So the windows are all already busted out. I'm just sitting there watching kids kick the car and do whatever. I don't give a fuck, but then as the fucking tow truck comes and picks it up, and you know, hooks it up, the tow truck driver is like, \"Hey, can don't just don't hurt my tow truck, just I don't give a fuck about this car, but don't do anything to my truck. And so I'm like, \"Okay, I'll make sure that they don't do that, and I did. I made sure no refund, but then as he's pulling away, somebody threw a match in the back seat through the open window, through the broken window, and as it was going down the alley, you could see flames start to come up. Bye bye. 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Oh, really? Well, and in this, in this regard, he thought I was like the king of street punks. He thought I had some control and was running some gang of all the street punks, and they would listen to me, and and they are the ones who are like pissing in the neighbor's yards and drinking, and, and like, I would go down there and drink too, but I always had a Third Buster cup, I never had any cans or bottles, like one time I went down with my friend and she had a van, so we're drinking inside the van, and we had cans and bottles inside her van, but I wasn't throwing them like in the parking lot, you're a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1338.0,1380.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: little more discreet,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1381.0,1380.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah. Because I had, I've been around a while. This was, I mean, when it opened, I was like 23","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1381.0,1388.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1389.0,1389.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So, or 22 so it was like, and I hadn't started going to the bars yet, because I thought the bars were stupid and way overpriced, but yeah, I was, I was older than the majority of the kids that were going to the DPC,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1390.0,1405.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so you had probably a guilt by association.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1406.0,1408.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, well, exactly, yeah. So Steve thought that I was like, so, and so, like my friend Johnny Blue, I talked about one time, he drove down there, I remember what the show was, but he had a keg in his fucking trunk, and like, I don't think anybody even drank anything, for, but he just, there was a party going on, and like, he heard about some show, so he, like, took the keg, because, like, whatever, dude, I like, I'm not like telling me has to get rid of it, but also I'm not like partying and parking, DPC, and, but it's just like stuff like that, like you know, and like I said, so people were the audience, at least the older audience was used to doing what they want to fucking do, and like they would be like going to these bars and restaurants, they would like have punk shows for a month and then close down, so nobody was like watching patrol in the parking lot, making sure they weren't like drinking in their car, you know what I mean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1409.0,1464.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1465.0,1464.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: like they're bringing money in, they don't fucking care. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1465.0,1466.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah. And so it's kind of a different element, yeah. Steve would place it a little bit from what I'd gather, but it wasn't like authoritarian in any way, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1467.0,1475.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Like it'd be Steve. Steve would be walking around, and all he would say he was come on guys, you know, and people be like, oh, you know, put their beer way or whatever, but as soon as he left, they start drinking again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1476.0,1491.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did you do any kind of volunteer work or any kind of,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1492.0,1498.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, so. I would, I would like, I said, I would talk to Steve once in a while and get bands booked there, but I would also like, you know, go down there and like help out doing different ships, like they had a concession stand for a while, I never worked in there, and I would bring like library supplies down there and donate them, and sometimes I would like to do the door, if there was something going on. I know they had a couple benefits, I think, later on, after the DVC had already closed, and I'd like, you know, did the door for some benefits. I did the, I did security once at when there was bigger shows, you would like farm them out like this place was called Tucson Gardens, and then it became, it was Coyotes, and it was like a country bar on Leicester, across just west of the Wildcat House, and across the street from Bump Steer, and Fugazi played there, so he wanted somebody doing security on stage, so I was like, \"Okay, I'll do it, whatever, and he was paying me, so I'm fine with it. But it was, I don't know, kind of a pain in the ass, because I wasn't trained to do it, and so I was basically like, \"Okay, I'm going to, and he basically wanted me to be on stage was like, but I don't want to stand up there and be like in the way of people seeing the band, so I basically got up on stage, I talked to the band to see if there was anything they wanted me to do, of course they were just like, make sure you know kids are well behaved and not fucking going nuts and hurting each other, and so I was basically sitting there right in front of the drum drums, like I just sat down, and they, because I didn't fucking talk to mr. McKay ahead of time, he thought I was like an audience member, and I heard him later after the show, and, and during the show, like some kid jumped on stage, and they had clique lights on to light the fucking stage, which I don't know if you know what those are. Those are the big work lights with like kind of the cage around the light. Yeah, it's like halogen bulbs, I think, and they get fucking hot, so the cage is on them so you don't burn yourself. But someone jumped on stage and knocked one over, so it fell into the audience. I had to grab it and pull it out so it wouldn't burn any fucking kids, and then I, after I got set up again, I went and sat back down, and then as somebody, some kid gathers $5 back and got thrown out of the boat out of the show, and all right, I think it went okay, fine, but then afterwards he was like, well, pay you more if you help them load their equipment, I'm like, okay, so I'm loading fucking cabinets and shit into their fucking truck. I hear Ian talking to somebody else. So, did you see that kid that was in the show watching it, and he paid to just sit on stage all night long? And as I'm, as he's saying that, I'm fucking by, I'm pushing them like I wasn't. I didn't pay. I got paid to be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1499.0,1682.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1683.0,1682.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: He's like, oh, like, yeah, fuck it, fuck you,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1683.0,1687.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: as you're wheeling in equipment, as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1688.0,1689.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I'm working for him, helping him do shit. It's like, fuck off, but, like, so, but, but you know, it would be nice if, but it was, you know, like, everything is half-ass run, and I think, like, a lot of people have grandeur, grander images of, like, what the DPC was, or how it was run, or, you know, I mean, like, I said, I'm not talking about Steve, I think what he did was great, but I think there was some things that happened because of it that weren't so great, and like, it just would have been a.. it wasn't like on the same level as like Gilman, or I don't know, other places that people like talk about around the country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1690.0,1732.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: It","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1733.0,1732.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: wasn't the same, and really it was just another fucking place to do shows for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1733.0,1739.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Do you think that's because it's like we talked about earlier, it fell on essentially one person, Steve, to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1740.0,1744.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: know, right? Right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1745.0,1745.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1746.0,1746.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and I mean other people did help. Anita Stevens was always doing stuff, and like before the DPC sprouted up, we used to have a thing called what the fuck was it called? Well, originally it's called THC, Tucson Hardcore, but out of that, this thing sprouted up where we were kids would like get together and try to throw shows and like raise money, and we'd meet in the park, the Fourth Avenue Park, on right there by IBTS.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1747.0,1776.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh yeah, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1777.0,1778.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And so she was involved in that. Katie, Katie Rogers,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1779.0,1784.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1785.0,1785.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Her sister Cherish was involved, Kevin Byrd. Lots of people back then were involved in that. Paul Young, Bridget, and so we were all doing kind of what, except we just didn't have a place to do it at. We didn't have at. Access to a building, so we'd have to find a place and be like, \"Hey, can we do this show at this place? You know, and we'll, like, Anita worked at a pizza place right next to Rex Records, which is the punk record store at the time, right on right there by U of A Liquors, and there was a pizza place right next door called I can't remember what it was called now, but so we were all involved in doing shit, I think Kevin or Chris Scylla worked at the fucking coffee place, Kinko's, so we could get like copies made really cheap,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1786.0,1836.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah, yeah, so you had mentioned that earlier, you were doing providing contacts to Steve to book shows. Were you like doing promotional and booking for bands at a certain point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1837.0,1848.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No, it's just friends going, \"Hey, we want to over there, and you know, so I wasn't. And my only back then, my only involvement would be like me talking to Steve and saying, hey, this band wants to play here, um, blah blah blah blah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1849.0,1863.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: These are like local bands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1864.0,1864.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, no, no, no. I would get a local band to play with the out of town band, okay? But no, they'd be friends out of town bands, got it? Who, like, I had played with in their town when a band, or you know, stuff like that. So then he'd be like, yeah, you can lay a player. I actually have a show already with these guys, and so stuff like that. So I was, I mean, it got me interested in doing that in a bigger way. Not really, I've never been like a professional making money off doing that kind of shit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1865.0,1896.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, but you were doing it, I mean, I, you were in, I think, B Contact for what the Maximum Rock and Roll publication, The Touring Guy, book","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1897.0,1903.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: your life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1904.0,1904.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, you were, yeah, yeah. I mean, people, so was that before or after? So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1905.0,1908.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: that was before DPC. Okay, because so after the thing I was talking about that we met in the park, which was.. I can't remember what the fuck it was called, but then I started, me and my friend Mike, who lived up in Flagstaff, he moved down here from Flagstaff, and he had been doing that in Flagstaff, and so there was a YMCA, or no, no, it was a, it was like a fucking veterans VFW, like a foreign wars building that was right next to a bar, so it was always just shows big going to the bar and drink if you were 21 and over,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1909.0,1948.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: got it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1949.0,1948.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So then he moved down to here, and so me and him got together and we started, we hooked up and started that, and we called it Anti-Bordom Coalition, ABC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1949.0,1960.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 5: Oh, okay. Just so it would be like first","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1961.0,1962.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: in the book, your fucking life, got it? Thing got it. And then we mostly just fucking either had shows in the park, like Reed Park, or other parks in town, or my house. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1963.0,1976.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay. I remember","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1977.0,1978.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: we were gonna do a Devil Dog show, it was like, because they played a DPC, okay, and they're great, but then the DPC had closed down, and they wanted to come back to town. It's like, well, they're not open anymore. 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Anita had mentioned something about no,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1992.0,1997.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: they had two, and so my friend Priscilla had a lot to do with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=1998.0,2001.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2002.0,2001.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I think other people too, like that band, The Host, like some people from that band, maybe, and maybe like Chris Carlone too. And they had, so they had, I know they had one festival up there, I can't, I think it was called the Baja Fest or some shit, as mostly just local bands like the host, Pinyon Zero, I'm sure other, you know, Desert Rock type bands, and maybe a couple other punk bands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2002.0,2030.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 6: Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2031.0,2030.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but yeah, that was up there, and I think they only did it was a two-day event, I think they only did the one, and now they've done it, I think a couple more times, because, and I think, like, maybe John Sweden is involved with it or something, and been doing it up there, him and, like, James Jordan from Barely Bipedal. 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Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2060.0,2060.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And what were your experiences like as a musician playing the DVC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2061.0,2065.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It was fine, like, yeah. We pretty much could do whatever we wanted. We got paid about the same as we'd get paid anywhere else, but, like, our friends, if they're coming to town, they get paid, okay? You know, and so we could get them shows and get them paid, and it was always fun. Steve, like, I think the worst I ever did there was I dumpstered a bunch of donuts from Dunkin Donuts, so I had a big fucking, or no, I'm thinking, okay, so I dumped it a bunch. Donuts once, and then I fucking think I was drinking on stage, and then I ended up a lot of times when I was this is a band I was singing for called The Lovers, which was before The Weird Love Makers, and then they changed their name from Irving to The Weird Love Maker, so then we kept continually getting confused, like people think, \"Oh, you're the weird love, but no. So, like, we played together once when they were still Irving at a place called Pizza City downtown, and like I think Scared of Chakra played there later on. Denise, I don't remember Denise Grimes, she was the one she worked at Pizza City, and so she started doing shows there, and she also worked at Mike's place, the breakfast place on University, and got shows there, started doing shows there before DPC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2066.0,2152.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2153.0,2153.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: um, but anyways, so yeah, so I had this big bag of donuts and was throwing them out, and I think they were.. I can't remember if they were rotten or think they were pretty good, because I dumpster them like the night of the show, so they had just been tossed out, and they were completely like was before they're pouring bleach on and doing any of that, they just throw food awake, but so like you know, I threw a bunch of donuts out, there was kind of a mess, so I swept that up, and I think maybe I puked into a cup I was drinking beer out. I poured it on my head, and that made some other people puke. So that was one incident. Another incident, we played with the vandals, or as I would say, the vandal, because there's only the one dude, and I kept, we kept, I kept making fun of him, and saying, \"Oh, are you going to see the vandal? I had a fucking pinata, had big giant fucking Mexican hat,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2154.0,2214.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: sombrero,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2215.0,2215.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: sombrero, and I fucking was shooting off bottle rockets, and I think that was, I don't think I had to clean up at all for that, even though I think in the pinata I had put something to, like, fucking make a mess, I can't remember what, I remember I had a big idea to, at one point, to get a bunch of cats, kittens, and put them inside the bass drum, like at the end of the set, letting them go run wild out in the audience. That never happened. Did Steve ever give you a hard time about doing these like kind of chaotic theatrical things? Or it was the same, like, come on, Marv, you know? Yeah, he would say something, but not really. Okay, I wasn't like, 'Oh, you're banned from here, you know? 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She moved to Texas, and she was just.. she was just like one of those people that, like, always was talking about herself and how she. and she was involved, like she would do the door if, like, Anita wasn't, or like, do concession stand, or whatever, but she was like just always like one of those people that like is always talking about herself and talking about how important she is, just like, okay, whatever, and they're always like, so that, like I said about freaks being in the scene, that's the one thing, like Steve and Bruce, and like Danny Walker, like they would find these people that just kind of were like freaks, that's my, like, I don't know if you know Gary Bear or people like that, so Steve, I don't mean anything negative about this, but Steve was almost like Harry Krishnas, and that he would get people to do work around the place that didn't have to pay, and so, and people would like congregate there and want to be involved with it, because kids were, and I don't mean this in any kind of pedophile way, kids, you know, people were hanging out there, it was a community draw, it was like, you know, stuff was happening, so like people would want to be involved to, like, say, how, oh, I'm involved, I do this here, what, you know, but it was always like, you know. People that were like a little off,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2309.0,2401.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2402.0,2402.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and so stuff would be going on, and I thought that was cool in a big way before, like the whole like inclusive, you know, and all that, like to where it was like you didn't have to, you could be outside of society, you know, not normal, whatever bullshit society, like, feel comfortable there,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2403.0,2423.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you know. Looking back on those little tater tots, it looks like, you know, just a rain a month of shows would be very, very diverse calendar.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2424.0,2432.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2433.0,2433.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: were those people say, would the hardcore kids go to like a rockabilly show or like a noise show? Were they all kind of gathering together, or would they kind of stick to their own genre, if you will, or scene.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2434.0,2444.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, it depends on the depend depended on the show, but so if, like, you know, sometimes kids would go in for the bands, all the bands, and so as the band was playing, the kids were inside a lot of times, sometimes depending on what, who the bands were, it's like, oh, this band's playing now, we're all going to go outside, and everyone was standing outside, and then they'd go in for the one band that they wanted to see, or whatever, but then at the same time it was like everyone, there's still kind of like a melting pot, everyone was there, and you could go in and see whatever, but there were a couple shows. I mean, most of the best shows I saw personally, there were like 30 people inside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2445.0,2492.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2493.0,2493.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and sometimes, like, I remember there was a Meat Men show there, and I was a Meat men, a band called Johnny P. 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I think we even went over to my friend Andy Horsehead's house after even a while. The show was maybe going on, and just hung out there for a while, but like stuff would go on, and and people would kind of go see stuff, but it just depended on. I remember one time, and this is a thing, too, like, so there'd be like local.. there was a local band. Oh, I think I can't remember what the.. they were called, but they were somehow.. there was a band called Stone Armory that I was friends with, but there was another band that the singer for that band had moved out here with Chris Coligny, who was in Stone Opry, so he was a singer in Stone Ombre. He, this kid that moved out here with Chris, was in another band, I can't remember their fucking name, but the other dudes in that band were just like high school kids, but they thought, and they even came to the fucking DPC once, because they were playing a show somewhere else, and they, I guess, their show was kind of fell on its face. Nobody was there, and they came to the DPC and started screaming at everyone that was in the parking lot. Weren't you at our show? You guys like us, you're our crowd. It was like, what are you talking about? They thought, like, you know, bullying an audience, and they thought, like, everyone that went to the DPC to see them. It's like, no, people go to the DPC, and maybe they do go to see you, but they just go to the DBC, because it's the DBC,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2538.0,2641.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2642.0,2642.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And whoever's playing, and that's how it was for a while, just like people didn't care who was playing, just like it's the DPC, you know, go down there, check it out, should be cool, whatever. These is different than the other shit that's happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2643.0,2655.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, yeah. So are there any memorable shows that really come to the forefront of your mind when you're thinking about your time at the DPC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2656.0,2666.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, sure, and I could go on and on and list other bands, like I said, Den Gone, and there's a band called The Leaving Trains, I played there as a really good show, there's a bunch of, but so, like, one of the most memorable nights, and so before the DPC there was the Dodiac and there were other places like a place that was called Twatco because it was Tucson Warehouse and Transfer Company and actually said Twatco on the outside of the building but nobody meant like you know right but that's so that's what it's called and so Crash Worship Play. There once crash or worship played in Dodiac, like a Halloween show, and crash worship at that time was was kind of, you know, out of the ordinary and kind of fun, but then it just turned into this weird like hippie druggie fucking just like take acid and go active fool,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2667.0,2720.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2721.0,2720.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: because, like, one one night, and I would just went down there to hang out. A crash warship was playing inside the DPC. I don't remember what the day was, but I was just talking to Steve outside the door, and like, they're going, they're going on inside playing, and I guess they had some fucking. they, somebody roasted a pig, and they were having like this feast ritual thing, and like somebody threw a fucking oily rag up into the rafter and almost caused a fire. And then also, so people are on drugs and shit. I'm standing outside talking to Steve. This dude comes running bare ass naked off the front door, comes running right up to us, clocks Steve right in the fucking face in front of us, and then hops the fence just the east of us that has razor wire on it, so he's hanging now by his testicles on this razor wire after he just clocks Steve in the face, so I'm just like, I don't know if you want to call the EMGs, go ahead. I, if I were you, I might wait a little bit. Yeah, yeah, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2721.0,2789.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I gotta move this thing really quick. Yeah, the crash worship show shows have loomed large in these, these oral histories that I've done, and it seems like a real, I don't know, point in the Tucson music scene to make everyone make a point to go see Crash Worship, regardless if they're right or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2790.0,2808.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: no, and I could see somebody doing that once, it just wasn't my fucking vibe, and I wasn't really into the music that they did, I could see like if you were going there and taking a bunch of drugs and having an experience, you know. Okay, whatever. But it was just like, and then, like, I said, I would just see people or hear about stuff later, where it's just like bad decisions. It's like, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2809.0,2837.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: How was Tucson receptive to the Lovers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2838.0,2840.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: They were receptive. receptive to us, to an extent, but again, like I said, it was so we were, we were a little, little less garage rocky, and a little more circle jerks, I guess, with a little harder, and this was when the weird lovemakers had started becoming U of A Darlings, so they like hoping for the specials somewhere on Fourth Avenue. They're like getting bigger and bigger and bigger.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2841.0,2866.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: They're probably playing the cellar quite a bit. Oh","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2867.0,2868.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, although we played the seller, I think once or twice. I, in fact, the seller was one of the first places I went and saw shows at, and it wasn't - I mean, they had local bands, but they had, like, Jane's Addiction. They had Bad Rains play there. I actually have a ticket somewhere for that one of the Bad Brands played at the seller, and then they, they had that other ballroom upstairs where X played, and the Pixies played, and I don't know, I don't even know if the U of A does shit like that anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2869.0,2901.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: They will do occasionally shows on the mall, but they would be, they'll be tied to some sort of like promotional,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2902.0,2907.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2908.0,2907.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you know, like spring, sprinkling,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2908.0,2909.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: or right, or book fair,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2910.0,2910.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: or yeah, whatever. But now they don't, because I remember when I was in high school, I would go see some shows at the, are","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2911.0,2915.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: those buildings even still, I mean, the basement, no, like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2916.0,2920.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: that pool hall, and everything has been ripped out, and that little arcade they had, right? So I don't, I know the cellar spaces, but I remember I saw, like, War Zone at the cell, yes, when I was like 17 or 18, sloppy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2921.0,2935.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: seconds played there,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2936.0,2936.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah, okay, so the weird lung makers, so they were kind of becoming","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2937.0,2941.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: bigger and bigger, bigger and bigger, and they got on whatever that label was,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2942.0,2944.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: was it essence or empty, empty, empty. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2945.0,2951.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and then it was just no fault of theirs. I mean, they're getting popular, and so I like, but like I said, everyone would always confuse","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2952.0,2959.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 7: us, like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2960.0,2959.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2960.0,2961.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so you entered the Tucson scene mid 80s, 85 and you have been in it essentially ever since. I'm really curious about how you feel this scene changed, if at all, between those those DPC years, from like 1991 to 1995 because what I think of is I was late to the game, but things were happening around in the Tucson Music scene, like you had Toxic Ranch, you had those punk shows on KXCI, and then the DPC, so it seemed like it was a healthy and thriving thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2962.0,2994.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, even when Double Zero was around, it was still kind of healthy and stuff with. Going on, and there was still house parties happening, and like, now I mean, in a way, I guess that's a good thing, because I'm fucking an old man now, so I wouldn't expect to know of kids doing house parties, but like, I don't even see flyers, but I don't really see flyers for like anything anymore, like Chase, something happens to Chase, I find out about it, like the next day on Strand, like I never see it before, that's gonna happen, so I'm like, I don't know, and that way it's changed a lot, like things happening, I think, and also just promotion, I think whoever's promoting shows is doing an ass awful job of it, and I also think it's, it's, it's gotten way more. I don't mean mainstream, like, oh, you know, Ransom and Green Day, and popular and playing the Super Bowl, or, but, like, how I said before, like, Tucson bands were always kind of a breed apart and different than just like the, the like, you know, if you went to fucking New York or Austin or San Francisco, the bands you would see would have a different vibe than the bands you would see in Tucson, whereas then it became like the bands in Tucson were trying to be a band from somewhere else, like they had seen, like the makeup or fucking whoever, be like, \"Oh, we want to be like them, whereas before that it was always like, \"We just want to be freaks and make noise and in a band.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=2995.0,3094.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Do you feel like that commercialism entered the scene at the DPC towards over its lifespan? I don't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3095.0,3100.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: really think it. I mean, I'm sure it did in a certain way. I'm sure it wasn't just an overnight, you know, change, but I didn't really notice it at the DPC, because the DPC was always had an artistic bent, where, and Steve was in a way curating whatever happened, right? And so he would still have like industrial bands or weird bands that were on alternative tentacles or whatever come through and play.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3101.0,3127.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did his sort of like Eastern philosophical bent on life influence? Oh, yeah. You think?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3128.0,3133.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Sure, I think so. And I mean, he always, as far as I remember, he always dressed like that with the dishes and the fucking little organ monkey grinder hat, and you know what I mean, like that's always been his style.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3134.0,3156.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, let's, let's talk about those, those final days at the DPC, it seemed like people were talking about, and I don't know if you have any insight to this, that Steve was essentially, I mean, he was getting hassled from from the city and the state about the dance hall permit, but it seems to be the one of the main reasons that it closed was because of the stuff that was going around the neighbor neighbors, and you had mentioned your well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3157.0,3180.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: that's that's at least the main reason that he would say, and and print on flyers, and you know why they were closing. I think there were a lot of reasons, and I'm not even sure how many of them he would agree with or admit to. I think it was the whole, like, I think stuff was just getting more mainstream, that particular punk, and that style of music was getting a little more, so, and like I said, he was doing it all himself, so, and he wasn't getting a lot of help, so I think he was getting burnt out, and I think, like, you know, a lot of stuff was going on too, and like the city fucking clamping down and fucking being a hassle, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3181.0,3225.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: all","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3226.0,3225.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: kinds of stuff was happening to, and I think, too, like he was having a deal, like, as you get more popular, you get on the radar, I think more booking agents were contacting him for, like, you know, bands he didn't want to deal with, and like pressuring him to like book this shit, and and he was just like, you know what, I'm I'm just done with this, and kind of when he started, and I, I'm not trying to put any words in his mouth, but when he started, when he stopped that, and then started Dodiak again, but under solar culture, and this was always weird to me. He said I remember him saying specifically that rock and roll was dead, and the only people that should still be doing that kind of stuff were people that were not white men, like white men had had their run, and they should have basically evolved out of it, like if you were a minority or a woman, it was okay for you to still be doing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3226.0,3286.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3287.0,3287.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: because in a way it was like, what are you, you're being racist, dude, that's racist, you're saying they're not evolved enough to fucking not have gotten out of rock and roll, and you know, like. It's okay for them to be doing it, because they're not. I, he didn't say not smart enough, but you evolved, they hadn't evolved enough. I'm like, dude, that's kind of fucked up. I never like questioned him on that, and said that to him, but I always thought that in my head, I'm like, that doesn't work well with me. But so he would have, he would, he started veering away from doing any sort of rock music. 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Right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3488.0,3488.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: which I think was what, on like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3489.0,3490.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: right across from Tucson High,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3491.0,3492.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: right? 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I remember there was a place called the Sixth Street Pub, which was like across the street from where Rex Rutgers was, and I think it was called Wayne's World, was it some bar, like U of A Bar, yeah, because I think the owner's name was Wayne, and then, then, yeah, just like house parties, yeah, whatever, there would happen, remember, I had a girlfriend that lived down across from the buffet, and she would do shows at her house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3505.0,3544.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3545.0,3545.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And were these like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3546.0,3546.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: touring bands or local bands, or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3547.0,3548.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: no, just local, but I mean, sometimes it'd be a touring band, like, you know, a touring band was coming through town, then we'd have to scare either a place up or have a house party for them. There's a house up on, want to say, Prince or Fort Lowell, and like Stone, and it was a bunch of kids that lived in it. I think Fred from Zero Tolerance maybe lived in the basement. Okay, live somewhere there too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3549.0,3577.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So it wasn't like a centralized thing happening. No, no, it's very decentralized. Yeah, interesting. I guess the only question, final question I really have is, what, if any impressions of your time during the DPC, those DPC years, did that have any impression or influence on your life at all, or any recollection of what that meant to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=3578.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: Well, it was definitely a continuation of what I had been doing, and so just the furthering of that, and me keeping me on that kind of same track. So, I mean, I don't, I don't know if it hadn't have come around, if I would have done anything differently, but you know what I mean, it's kind of like, and I know people take this negatively, but it's like, you know, if you become, and basically heroin or music is my heroine, so like, if I, if you're a junkie and you're buying heroin from this person, and then that person disappears, and this new person pops up that it's telling you arrow. Well, okay, now this is who I'm going to, and this is how who I'm dealing with, and this is how I like my life isn't gonna change because I'm not, I'm still addicted to this and still doing involved in this fucking certain lifestyle and doing this thing, and so that's what it was, and then until like, until like, until something really drastic would happen to make me say, \"Oh, I don't want to do this anymore, right? It's, it's just like, \"Oh, it's just another cog in the fucking wheel of of my life, and why I did this, whatever the fuck I did, whatever, whatever, that amounts to, whether good or bad, or whatever, and saying all that, I'm not, I'm not trying to be negative, I'm not trying to poo poo anybody, I'm not trying to say that what they did did not matter, but it's just like in the greatness of the whole story, of like, it's just one, one other aspect, you know, I mean, it's just like, I mean, I could, we could talk about Double Zero, we could talk about, you know, some black cats Cloudville, so you know, whatever, and I mean, really, if you think about it, I think, so the DPC was around 192 do they start? 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Any lingering thoughts?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=62.0,61.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/228","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: No, not really. I mean, I remember Luna Loca was a cool place, and I remember there were some decent shows there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=62.0,61.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: I remember being tiny,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=62.0,61.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: it was tiny, I mean, compared to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=62.0,61.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3  1:0: Double","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=62.0,61.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: Zero, or not Double Zero, DPC,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=62.0,61.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=62.0,61.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: but like, too, so like I was thinking about this, and there was like a couple aspects of the DPC. When the DPC first opened up, the stage was on the, I want to say, the east side of the building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=62.0,62.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: Yeah, that's what.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=63.0,62.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: And then it moved to the north side of the building. 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It was when that album, Battle Love, came out on Madonna's Maverick, right? And he, like, freaked out on stage. He thought this kid, Vinnie, that was just.. I think I mentioned him earlier, it was just a street punk kid, Native American kid. He thought he like flashed his knife at him and like threatened him or something, so then he was, he was standing on stage, but not singing into the mic, not doing, just standing in front of the mic. Then he got off the stage, and basically the show was kind of over, but then, and somebody else, when I was remembered having this memory, they were saying that he had had some girls on stage that were like in chains. I'm like, what are you talking about? Yeah, and then they had, because l7 had played there, like I want to say maybe a year before, a couple, but they were before we moved the stage from the east side and the north side. 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Did you go to any of those like shows like The Offspring or Green Day when they got like huge, you know, like so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=65.0,64.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/246","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: The Offspring? I was doing security on stage as well, and my friends, the fuck, played anyways, fuck the offspring, and I can't remember who else played. So I went to that show. I didn't go to Green Day, but I saw their bus in the parking lot. 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I've had friends","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=66.0,65.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: or people tell me about that Dead Milkman show. They said that was the biggest, most well-attended, like the line wrapped around the block to get in. It might have been.. 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Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=66.0,65.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: but it could have, but I remember specifically it was put on by camp, so it was like, camp, you know, brings you Dead Milkman at TPC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=66.0,65.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: I'm trying to think, what.. what were the bigger local bands? I mean, there was fucked, and then there was like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=66.0,65.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: okay, so the band used,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=66.0,65.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=66.0,65.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: Well, there was Maligada, she's with.. they were from Sierra Vista, where they'd come up and, like, they bring their whole entire high school up with them, so like they were like, you know, so they were big. The band I was thinking of, where the kid was screaming at the people in the parking lot, was fuzzing, and they were like a wannabe Fugazi, like kind of alternative kind of punk, kind of whatever, trying to think, oh, Dave's Big Deluxe was like a ska band, yeah. So it's kind of big at the time, and they're big with the college crowd.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=66.0,66.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: Yeah, Tucson had a ska scene for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=67.0,66.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: a little bit. Travis Spillers was in a ska band for a while. 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I don't know if I ever saw","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=67.0,66.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/262","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: camera, what the fucking there been, but Travis had like Dr. Oliver Moore Pills, is what he was going by, that was his name, and then that's why Los Federales have a couple kind of ska songs, yeah, ish songs, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=67.0,66.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/263","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: that's interesting. I'm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=67.0,66.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/264","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: trying to think of other, oh well, Lonely Trojans, which had Gerard and Stude Chris Morrison playing guitar and singing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=67.0,66.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/265","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: right? Gerard went on to the Weird Love Makers, right, yeah, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=67.0,66.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/266","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: and but they first were in that band, The Lonely Trojans was kind of like what's his face, Jonathan Richmond.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=67.0,67.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/267","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: Oh, interesting,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=68.0,67.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/268","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: kind of, but they moved to Chicago, and then Greg Pettix became the drummer in that band before they all moved back here, and then Greg had a bunch of bands before Weird Love Makers, Blink Dogs, and some other bands, and then became Weird Love Makers, and then kind of fires after that, and yeah, like I walk, so here's a funny story, kind of, so I remember Double Zero, that was just like this bar that my friend Chad, who was in the Blacks, we were living together, and he was like, 'What, hey, there's this new bar downtown, we should go check it out. So we went down there, and it was a fucking gay bar, and the only reason I say it's a gay bar, because all the bartenders were men, and they're dressed in fucking firemen outfits, just the pants and the boots, no shirts, suspenders, but bare chest, and like they all had like Freddie Mercury mustaches, and the woman, Sharon, was was half owner, who became full owner later, but her partner, I think, was this gay dude, and we went down there, and there I remember they had this shot called Ugly Little Black Things, I forget what the fuck it was, it was in it, but they're giving us those shots, and they were like, it was before they had any shows, and before they even had the basement open, so we were talking to Sharon, and like, talking about bands playing there, and because we're all always into, like, where bands could play. This was before, no, this is after the DPC. So, DPC was no longer, so we were like, you know, need to find, because, like, we would have shows at Nimbus, and, like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=68.0,68.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/269","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: yeah, Nimbus, other play. Serve,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=69.0,69.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/270","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:1: and so we were there, and then Cher's partner at the time, the guy who was half owners, he got out, he was like, I don't want anything to do with anymore, so he quit. 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I know it was before she sold the business to that motocross kid who was way into pop punk.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=70.0,69.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:1: Oh, because there, because,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=70.0,69.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:1: like, so is before she sold the place, she was still the owner, but she wasn't doing it, and it was like it was almost like a year after, because, like, I remember Hickey played there in the upstairs, some other, a bunch of local bands played there. Yeah, I mean, we, and then, yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. So then, after a year, like a year, and maybe it wasn't a year, maybe just seemed like that to me, but we went back there one night, and you guys were playing the Octonics and Mighty Idaho. Yes, and I remember anybody else, but I remember YouTube ads. Yes, Stephanie, and we were like, \"What? The.. it was a completely different crowd, completely different, like you guys were all way younger than us. Yeah, I think not way younger. Well, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=70.0,70.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/275","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:1: was the oldest one, I was 21 The rest were 19 and 20. Yeah, okay. Yes, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=71.0,70.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/276","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:1: And so we were like, wow, like, who are these kids? Yeah. And then I think maybe we even talked to, we talked to somebody, I can't remember who the fuck we talked to, and it was like, it was basically like whoever we talked to was like, yeah, is this place cool? We just discovered it, and we talked him into doing bands. Me and Chad, Chad, especially was like he wanted to fucking be like, no, we were doing this like a year ago. 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I don't remember that intern with the pop. I mean, I remember those pop-up bands playing there, but I don't remember being under a different owner. 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I think they, it must have been, but then I was like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=74.0,73.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:1: so that, that was like when they shit. Well, when they moved downtown, it was like, I know it was in the 2000s because you said. 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So I, I took tragedy to scrappies and got them all set up, and then I said, I've got to go to this other show, I'll see you later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=75.0,75.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:1: Yeah, okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=76.0,75.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:1: but yeah, and so, like, dates get fuzzy with me, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421#t=76.0,75.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170512/file/309421/transcript/95124/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:1: Well, I appreciate your time, man. 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