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Your host is professor, a chanin, a veteran of a half century of Arizona journalism. Today, he talks with Stewart Udall, former Secretary of the Interior, and Morris Udall, Congressman from Arizona's Second District.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=78.0,146.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Want to welcome you to a new show by witness to history, a show that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=147.0,151.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: will bring before the camera. You're living some of the great men and women who have made history,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=152.0,158.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: our state and our nation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=159.0,162.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: to great figures who contributed so much to the history of both our state and then a steward Mars.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=163.0,171.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: These two men grew up in a small town in Arizona, St. John's,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=172.0,177.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: say that may is only about 1000 and perhaps only.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=178.0,196.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: For today's I witnessed the history. We went to the Southwest Center for a special interview with two of Arizona's great political figures, Stewart and Maurice Udall, Stewart Udall rose to become Secretary of the Interior in the Kennedy administration. And Maurice Udall, of course, still serves as Congressman from district two. I began the interview by asking Stuart the elder, what it was to grow up in a small town in St. John's Northeastern Arizona, and begin a career there that stretched all the way through Arizona politics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=197.0,231.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I guess there were a lot of different elements, certainly caring parents was important. I happen to think that that growing up in a town of that size, it was 1200 when we grew up same size, as it was in the 1880s when our grandfather came there and our father was born in that period. And everybody knows everybody in town like that. We were on a kind of a hardscrabble frontier, you had to work hard. And there's a wonderful line you may remember in Fiddler on the Roof, where Tavia says, There is one thing you should remember about Anna tempco. Everyone knew who he was, and what God expected of him. And that I liked that line because in a way, this was St. John's it was the Mormon influence was strong, but it was also in unique communities. The only place I know of where the the Spanish from New Mexico and Mormons came together and live together, and we didn't do a very good job of it. But that makes the history all the more interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=232.0,313.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And more. What would you add to that you had you started your leadership all the way back in early days and St. John's in high school you were you were a football star and basketball star and you were student body president, if I recall correctly, what was it about growing up in that type of community that perhaps led you to be ready for such national leadership","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=314.0,334.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Nicholas's do says a number of elements contributed. I used to dread coming down here to central Arizona to play the contest with the kids from Tucson high, too. So that was one of the biggest high schools Western Mississippi. And I thought, how can I possibly compete? Well, I bet I got to be a generalist in practicing law and congressmen are generalists you deal with space this morning and agriculture this afternoon and 43 issues in the meantime, I got to be a generalist, as a student and as a as a high school aged kid. You somebody just saying you're meant to go, I started a band as dance band, playing first trumpet in high school, marching band. I wrote a political column. I took the lead in the school play and anything, you know, anything your talents could take you. It was there. And if we'd had a big school, I'd probably do a dozen one of those things and thought it was a good idea. But that that was certainly an element.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=335.0,396.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Jane, a the community I guess that's what we're saying. When you grow up in a community of that size that's very cohesive. You know what life is and we are involved. From the very beginning. We used to go to court and watch trials. Our dad was the judge. We put on our own rodeo, and we had a theater and in our garage, and the whole world is there. I think there's something liberating and challenging about small towns. And I think we're losing that and it bothers me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=397.0,434.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But I was writing the presidential contest and 76 Someone did a good quiz. And what do Shirky Ville, Indiana, St. John's Arizona, Plains, Georgia, Everett, Washington, and there's another one have in common? Those are the hometowns of the presidential candidates that year. They all came from small towns.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=435.0,457.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think there's really something there for young people to think about today. And whether we're losing it with our cities growing so large, it's probably something we'll have to look at. I'm interested in a rather odd twist about political history in Arizona. Before Barry Goldwater, the you the Goldwater's were all the Democrats. And as I recall, before your family, the EU dolls were Republicans. That was a strange twist in political change. Mo","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=458.0,486.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well as Dukan was a student of this as much as ever more so. Steve had a destroy the book. Have you seen this? Yes, I have. His thesis is that the Democrats were Arizona was one party democratic state, and that the struggle involving Barry Goldwater and John Rhodes and Paul Fannin, and all the prominent Republicans that were produced by that era, their sole goal was to make it a two party state. They didn't want to have a one party Republican state, they were willing to share power but they didn't want to one party. Some of the risks are you got to go back and look at history. All the development southern Arizona was from Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma ranchers, cattlemen, they had the huge cattle drives across the desert. And it was a plush from Lordsburg in that area on a to do so. And it was plush desert streams ran year round. And those cattle went through there like a buzzsaw scooping up everything that could be eaten by the time that categorise stopped. They had pretty well destroyed and a lot of the habitat the way it was and that's why I've been interested in modern times down to research ranch down Elgin, the Buenos Aires reserve that I got involved in getting these are attempts to show the land as it was when the white man first came.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=487.0,579.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I'm interested in long story I want to see if one of you will tell me about story. Isn't it true that your father was saved or freed from jail in Prescott one time over a little incident?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=580.0,592.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, eight the thing you have to remember about the Mormons and This still lingered in the eremo. When we were kids is that the the Mormons in the 1880s were a persecuted minority sect when they came to Arizona, this was polygamy and so on. And our grandfather was a leader and, and they were out to get the prominent Mormons. And he ultimately was convicted, not a polygamy, they couldn't catch him with two wives. He was clever in that respect. But they trumped up a charge at least that's what the family feels about. perjury. And and I think one of the Goldwater's in Prescott went bail for my, for our grandfather, but the Mormons after they they moved into their new era, they had a feeling it was better to have some people in both political parties. And although grandfather was a Republican, my father was, I guess, the most prominent Democrat. And, and that sort of to him gave it balance, although their views weren't all that different. To tell you the truth. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=593.0,661.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Barry Goldwater likes to tell that mean story about about his Uncle Maurice, going to the jail and in Prescott in getting to the Eudoxa now, don't tell anybody but get the hell out of town. And I'll see that they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=662.0,674.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: don't run after there's another twist to this. And that's what I wanted. I've been Barry and I've been on several programs like this. He always embellishing the story is better as the years go. Got a key to the gym, gave him a horse and right No, don't come back. But really the Goldwater's were came from persecuted people. And one of the first big Jewish mercantile families in Arizona, and the Goldwater's admired the Mormons, they were hardworking people, kept their word and honest and worked hard. And he sensitivities a frame up here, against the Mormons in the fight against their leader, David Kay, you know, so he did, we've got to somewhere in the family documents. We've got the bail bond that was signed by Baron Goldwater. But the other twist was that this came about in 1968 and came front of my consciousness. George Romney was Governor of Michigan, he was a Mormon. There was a big a big fight whether he could have legal argument whether he could run for president, because he was not born in the United States. He was born in Chihuahua. The reason he's born in Chihuahua was at the same time they were persecuting our grandfather. They were after him and had warrants sponsor trying to figure some way to get him and he went to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=675.0,755.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: drugs. His grandfather, Oh, yeah. Right. Right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=756.0,759.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So here, we're Udalls Romney's Goldwater's all involved in this territorial Arizona story.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=760.0,765.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, Stuart, you've studied Arizona history so much and know so much, don't you think that this was maybe what really contribute to making the territory in the state so great. We had Mormon pioneers we had great. Catholics had sprung out of the conquistadores, families that came up early. We had Jewish pioneers, we had such a wide variety of people come into the state. And when you look back at the history of the earliest days, they really worked very well together, didn't they?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=766.0,792.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, it's quite a kind of remarkable, of course, the the Spanish were here first, and I feel we've neglected their history. And maybe we're about to, to discover it. But then you had the mining towns, and then they're these tough. young immigrants came from Yugoslavia and Eastern Europe in those other countries from Italy. And they were the tough hardrock miners. And they added a real element to this state. And it was it was always it was never dominated, you know, as in the south with the plantation class. You always had to work things out. And I think that makes Arizona politics, political history. Very interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=793.0,835.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And when you look back at it, you see that while they talked a great deal about the mass immigrations that came into the great ports in New York City and the East Coast, we look back here and we see we had migrations of all these different people who came out here, and yet they worked so closely together in developing of a frontiers territory. And I think that's what would, as I say, really is so remarkable about the history of this state. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=836.0,861.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: one of the other aspects of wasn't as dramatic or as large as the other immigration. But the Chinese were brought in here in great numbers to build the railroads, the Union Pacific through Utah, and on the San Francisco and the line down to Las Vegas and Los Angeles. 1000s and 1000s of Chinese and most of them stayed,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=862.0,880.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and many of them were in the minds at Clifton, they were we don't we didn't always treat them minorities later very well. However, there were some serious problems in hand treating the Chinese at that period. I agree. Call","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=881.0,892.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: in the Bisbee deportation many books. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=893.0,896.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: this explains though the very thing where Talking about here to me, explains the fact that Arizona when it came to statehood, we don't talk about that very much now, but it's true, had a very liberal constitution. Because when all of these different elements, all of the minorities got together to write a constitution, they wanted the best and the most modern, and that meant because that was in the progressive period, a very liberal constitution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=897.0,926.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thank you very much. We'll be right back in a moment. I'd like to turn to politics and the Udalls Alan Stewart. First, if you tell us why did you take a shot at politics to begin with? And then I'd like to also have you tell us how it was that Kennedy select you for the cabinet. All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=927.0,958.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, the truth of matter is Mo was the first of us to get into politics. We practice law together. I guess in those early days more was more of a what you now call a political activist. I was in the Truman campaign. In fact, I used to say that before I was like to Congress, my political experience was managing losing campaigns and candidates in Pima county. for governor, that wasn't true. But I then I got on the amphitheatre school board. And in 1954, moe and I almost collided in fact, we had a bit of a fuss then because Moe was a county attorney, I remember and he was and he decided to run for Judge following our father's pattern. And suddenly the Congressman quit. And I said, Gee, there's an opportunity. And so we were both on the ballot. And Molefe, for a crazy reason. He was a popular county attorney. He lost that election. And I won. And maybe maybe mo I've always thought later, it was fortunate in a way because he was there to succeed me. And we've had this, this whole tradition, but we were our father. And mother, both were politically minded. And then dad, always he didn't call it politics. That was public service. Of course, he was always a judge when he'd been a county attorney. But this was the most honorable calling, I guess next to being a minister and dad was also a church leader, too. You see, he combined the two. So it was very natural for us to to run for office. I guess that's the best way to put it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=959.0,1056.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And now turn, how is it that Kennedy selected you for become Secretary of the Interior?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1057.0,1062.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I have to put some things together. A, I was a great admirer as Moe was madly Stevenson. And I supported him enthusiastically both times. And I thought he was our best man going into 1960. But I work closely with Kennedy on labor reform, and I saw the steel lair inside him. And so I came home in the fall of 59, and went to work for Kennedy. They didn't recruit me. And I think they always appreciated that. They also appreciated the fact that some of us here in Tucson and Phoenix I was a ringleader that we took Arizona, we took the whole state for Kennedy. And then when when it came to the election, if you remember that election, Kennedy was ahead two and a half million votes when he got the Mississippi River and almost lost. He carried to western states. So he didn't don't own any Western. Any Westerners. Any political that he did, I felt he owed me one. I guess. He wanted a Westerner, I think he wanted the younger person, somebody of his own age. And so he asked me to serve. And of course, it was a dream come true for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1063.0,1136.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I never go near a national park today where I don't say a little blessing for Stewart Udall because I remember project 66 And all that you did, so wonderful to bring back and restore our national parks. And I think those of us who like to get out in the country, still have great feeling for what you did as Secretary of the Interior.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1137.0,1156.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, if I asked 325 years really beginning with Kennedy, I think has been historically will be regarded as a great period, maybe most of the greatest period in terms of enlarging and expanding our national holdings and our national parks. And then an interesting way. Moe and I have been like relay runners I got it started in the 1960s. He picked up the baton and the work that he's done in the last decade as chairman of the committee and before that. You'd have a hard time disentangling what I did and what he did and it doesn't bother us in the least of course,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1157.0,1196.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the National Park idea is it incredibly fantastic American idea. Typically American. And if you compare the National Park Service today was what it was when Steve and I went there in the early 60s. You'd be amazed at what's happened is probably I'm just guessing and we probably tripled the acreage in national parks. We do is quarterback for the wilderness system, that idea that we're going to take a little token, leave it as is the way the Almighty made it. The game refuges have been doubled or tripled, and wild rivers, wild rivers, trails, to just a quantum leap. And it'll always be there. 100 years from now, you'll have these.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1197.0,1241.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You are really a pathfinder in Washington. That may be some Arizonans haven't stopped to pause and realize what a pathfinder you were because you campaign for speaker the house you campaigned for. For a majority leader and last wasn't going. It's true. And then you've proved that a member of the House of Representatives could take a shot at the presidency. And I wish you would talk a little bit about that, because I thought the courage that you showed in those days was phenomenal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1242.0,1276.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, some thought it was really overly ambitious that I should be running for all these offices. But I sort of made a career of losing and taking the bounce and turning it into a win win in 1967. The seniority system had been intact and I made a motion that Adam Powell who was controversial and been stealing money in a public trial be denied his seat on his chairmanship. Education Labor Committee lost that in two years later. Great disgruntlement with McCormack, John McCain as a speaker. And I learned the hard way that there's a lot of talk, and no action. You go back to cloakroom, you think John McCormack didn't have two votes to his name. And you go to the secret ballot, and it was different. And then losing Tim McCormack. Two years later, he returned to seeing the handwriting on the wall. And the majority leaders position which is a stepping stone to the speakership came open. And the young guys, the Young Turks, who credited me with taking the lead the two years before and four years before when nobody else would rally around me. And I, I can tell you five different ways we could do one that one, but we didn't. Interesting enough Tip O'Neill. What I read from majority leader that year, Tip O'Neill, supported to Hale Boggs, Louisiana had had Hale Boggs not gone off and gotten killed in this crash and live in Alaska. I would bid on the ladder as Majority Leader and Tip O'Neill have been behind me, if at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1277.0,1385.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But he The thing about most career that I I've always thought is fascinating is that he was resilient, he could suffer defeats, and instead of this, having some shattering effect on his self confidence or his personality, he He not only moved on ahead, but raised his sights were lesser men have dropped after law that most people do they say, Well, I guess I'm not cut out for a leader. But for him to have. It was quite startling in 1974 and 75. To a lot of people that remember the house, he was not a chairman. He had failed in his attempts to be a leader to be selected as a leader that he'd say, Okay, I'm gonna run for president. And I don't think people fully realize how bold that was. And strangely, you know, he came very close. He was he was the right man for the time if there hadn't been so many candidates out of the liberal wing of the Democratic Party.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1386.0,1453.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think more than one Yeah, he always believed that. Yeah, you had George Wallace right wing Scoop Jackson, very conservative on military stuff and a pretty good democratic liberal. And then you had five or six had Milton chapter governor of Pennsylvania birch by Sarge Shriver, Fred era, Fred Harris, and in these two or three or four critical primaries, such as Wisconsin, and Illinois. And yeah, well, there was after New Hampshire, in Michigan, if sorry, Shriver by then was through he had withdrawn and if he had said that, my voters on it, I hope we'll go now with George Wallace. Mojito. Give me another 5000 both the history could have been probably would have been different. I want to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1454.0,1503.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: take another break right now and then we're right back to this very fascinating race that occurred in 76.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1504.0,1528.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, briefly, looking back at the presidential race, you're acquitted yourself so well that Arizona is we're very proud of you in those days. But tell me looking back, do you still feel very strongly and having done the right thing and making that difficult, difficult choice to run for the presidency at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1529.0,1548.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, it was a great adventure. I don't want to begrudge you that we could have won if we'd made certain adjustments if I listened to my big brother a little bit more than I did, which is another bunch of stories.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1549.0,1557.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, you know, stories this is what I want to turn to now because I have books on my shelf of books of both you have written before and I secretly have found out that both you were reporters for the St. John's observer when you were youngsters and give us one last story to close the show. Would you please mo","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1558.0,1572.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well one of my old favorites which stood I've worked with the Indians on our lives and the politician does the Indian K village and says you vote for me you Indians we get schools and hospitals. They knew they shot Good boy says you vote for me. We get shoes and clothes for Indian children Good boy says you vote for me we put gas heat in every teepee and shouted go more in the chief came forward said you white man great friend of the Indian. You must come down to the corrals. We're gonna make you presenter the pony but be very careful don't step in the goofball","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1573.0,1603.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: stew in mo I want to thank you so much for being with me on the first show eyewitness to history. And I want to say in just in last word, how much Arizona's are indebted to you for the great service that you both performed both for the state and for the nation. Thank you very much. And we'll see you next time thank you and goodbye give us one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1604.0,1630.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: last chance to show what your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1631.0,1638.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: participation in the Legion says you shot good boys as we get closer the children go boys gasketed every TV shot the chief came forward to the white man great friend. Let's come down to the rails","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1639.0,1659.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: to be very careful stepping to do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1660.0,1662.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that still evoke so much for being with me on the first job. I witnessed the history. And I want to say just last word how much Arizonans are indebted to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1663.0,1675.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you for the great service that you both perform, both for the state and for the nation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1676.0,1680.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thank you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198#t=1681.0,1683.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74348/file/160198/transcript/38289/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/038/289/original/azu_ms685-001_a.vtt?1654112982","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/038/289/original/azu_ms685-001_a.vtt?1654112982"}]}]}]}