{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/mk6542m40n/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Norma Udall"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/038/original/university-libraries-logo-2x.png?1711560609","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Source"]},"value":{"en":["Morris K. Udall Oral History Collection , MS 396, 4, tape 52"]}},{"label":{"en":["Relation"]},"value":{"en":["Morris K. Udall Oral History Collection (part of)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Ferdon, Julie (interviewer)","Udall, Norma (interviewee)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2003-01-17"]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["Arizona--Tucson (spatial)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["Oral history with Norma Udall conducted by Julie Ferdon. Norma Udall is a former spouse of Morris Udall, and she discusses her family and her early life. Norma discusses her work in politics, and how she met Morris Udall in Washington, D.C.Norma Udall also discusses life with Mo and his health later in life."]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["audio cassette"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Arizona Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["Copyright held by University of Arizona Libraries."]}},{"label":{"en":["Identifier"]},"value":{"en":["MS396.057 (uid)","MS396.058 (uid)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Oral Histories"]}}],"summary":{"en":["Oral history with Norma Udall conducted by Julie Ferdon. Norma Udall is a former spouse of Morris Udall, and she discusses her family and her early life. Norma discusses her work in politics, and how she met Morris Udall in Washington, D.C.Norma Udall also discusses life with Mo and his health later in life."]},"requiredStatement":{"label":{"en":["Attribution"]},"value":{"en":["Copyright held by University of Arizona Libraries."]}},"provider":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Arizona Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Arizona Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/038/original/university-libraries-logo-2x.png?1711560609","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/public/images/audio-default.png","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 3 - azu_ms396-057_side1_a.mp3"]},"duration":2698.008,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/public/images/audio-default.png","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-arizona.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/270/353/original/azu_ms396-057_side1_a.mp3?1744847995","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2698.008,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I'm glad I have water. You want some water? No, thanks. I'm fine. This is tape number 52 of the Morris K Udall oral history project. It is today is, let's see, Thursday, January 17, 2003 and I'm with Norma Gilbert Udall at the offices, or, I'm sorry, at the windmill inn, in her room, at the windmill Inn in Tucson, Arizona. We just came back from the dedication of the new Udall foundation headquarters on Scott Street. Norma, thank you for agreeing to be interviewed. It's a pleasure. Let's start at the very beginning. Where and when were you born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=0.0,42.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I'll tell you where.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=43.0,44.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, let's start. We'll go with the where.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=45.0,47.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I actually, I was born in New York, but I New York City, yes, but I was six months old when we when they moved to California. So I really consider myself a Californian,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=48.0,62.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yes, and, and what did your parents do? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=63.0,65.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: my father was a he was a white collar worker. He was caught in the Depression. Unfortunately, he had been in law school at USC, as a matter of fact, and there was his father died, and he dropped out of law school to help his mother. And then the depression really hit, and he had to go out and make some money. And so he never went back to law school, and he ended up in white collar work. He was a wonderful man. He was very special person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=66.0,101.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Do you take after him more than your mother?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=102.0,105.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I'm not sure. One thing I remember about him is he was so kind, and everyone loved him. Everyone who ever met him just adored him. And people, people, even the most difficult people, took to him, and he was so patient. He taught me to read when I was four years old and sound out the words, which they were not teaching in those days. They were teaching sight reading. But he taught me to read when I was born, when I when I went to school at six, they didn't know what to do with me, because I could read everything. And I remember when I was a child, there was a program on radio called information police, where they had a panel of experts, and people would send in questions for them to answer, and they were very difficult questions, and my father knew all the answers he could answer every one of those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=106.0,160.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: That's always so impressive when people can do that. What about your mom? My mother","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=161.0,164.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was very gregarious. She was from Boston, and she loved people. She loved beautiful things. We didn't have a lot, but she yearned for beautiful things. And she loved to go to museums. She took me, she dragged me to so many museums when I was a child. And then she discovered Oriental art, Chinese art, specifically, she was studying, she liked to study the arts on her own, and she was studying English porcelains, just for no reason. And strange thing to do to the depression, you know. And then all of a sudden, she happened upon Chinese art, and she just fell in love with it. And my mother used to spend hours and hours of the day she'd get up. We only had this one car my father used, and and she'd get on busses, and she was never in very good health, and she'd take busses and streetcars and go down to the museum and sit for hours. They used to let her back in, into the archives, where, because they knew she would come every day, and they would let her touch these beautiful things, and, oh, it was just heaven for her. She never to buy a beautiful antique like that. She sounds very industrious and interesting. She loved beauty, and she there was something. And then she discovered that you can't just study the porcelains. You have to study the religion and the philosophy, and because everything has a significance","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=165.0,258.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: in the in the patterns and the designs. Did she ever try to publish or do anything no with her knowledge when","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=259.0,263.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: she died, I found all her notebooks where she had copied down all the little markings so carefully, and she just loved it. And I remember once someone gave her a book, like a coffee table book with beautiful plates in it of porcelains. And she just couldn't believe it. She looked at that, oh. She just it was the most wonderful thing. She was like a child that Santa Claus had given the most beautiful gift to. And she Okay, anyway, she came to visit me in Washington. And I took her to the Freer Gallery, and she was just in heaven. And we spent a whole day there. She just, it took her an hour for each room, just wow. Just loved it and the paintings. Isn't passion and enthusiasm. Wonderful. Your father, I forgot to mention loved history, loved history. And he when I was a child, for some reason, I didn't get European or ancient history in grade school. And he used to teach me, I got American history. We studied American history, California history, but we did not study European or ancient history, and he would tell me about the Peloponnesian Wars and the Greeks and the Romans, and all about Napoleon. And he was everyone said he should have been a teacher. He was very good with children and very patient.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=264.0,352.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, I wish I could have sat in on his class with you. That's a part I've missed. Also, were you an only child? I was an only child. And do I recall that you went to UCLA? I went to UCLA. Okay, what was your major English?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=353.0,369.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It didn't do anything. Well, I ended up doing press for political campaigns and things like that. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=370.0,376.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you were politically active in college?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=377.0,378.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No, not really. I was interested. Nixon was president then, I think no. Nixon was in Congress then, but that was when the hellinga Hagen Douglas thing came up, where he was poisoning her campaign and calling her the Pink Lady and having telephone smear campaign about her being communist, and we all were signing petitions against Nixon. And there were some bills that some of my friends who were really political activists brought to my attention, and I would sign them, but I was not an activist. Then I didn't become interested until after I was married, had little children and moved into a neighborhood where many of my friends from UCLA lived.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=379.0,428.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now, when, when did you graduate in UCLA? Or did you get a degree there? Yeah, in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=429.0,438.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: 50 something. Okay, actually, not there. I finished at local colleges, because I left as a senior, okay? And I finished it, you know, classes here, classes there, and how, although I would have loved to have had the UCLA degree, well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=439.0,456.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: it's the same thing, basically, when, how long after you graduated, did you marry?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=457.0,464.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, my first marriage, I was 21 Okay, and, and what was his name? His name was Samuel Gilbert, and he's a clinical psychologist, marriage counselor, and in California, he was a very good therapist, and we were married for quite a number of years, but I don't want to trouble you with the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=465.0,487.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: difficult. Would be difficult to be married to a psychologist myself. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=488.0,491.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: we just were not right for one another. He's very nice person, and he loved his children, and he loved me, and we were just wrongly matched. I have no negative memories that nothing to hold against him. Just was not right. And and we split around 67 or 68","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=492.0,518.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and you said, when you moved into this neighborhood after you were married, is when you met a lot of my friends, political people. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=519.0,526.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: we had a Democratic Club those days. We Were Young Democrats, and then I became very interested and very excited, and we had a lot of people who were living in the area, who were in show business also, and they were members of our club also, and that kind of pepped up interest. So we had a large number of members. This is still in Los Angeles. Well, this was in Encino, California. Oh, okay. And a lot of the film people lived out there and and so it made it easy to get a speaker, you know, you could, and we were very involved. We had a really high powered club, and had a lot of wonderful events. And a lot of our people have gone on to one of the people in our club, married Senator Cranston and, and we had Steve Allen in our club. And,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=527.0,580.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: oh, what a great club. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=581.0,584.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Dennis Weaver, and I think Trent remember, I think Jack Webb, not sure, I may be wrong about him, but it was an interesting neighborhood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=585.0,595.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, yeah, sounds it, sounds it now. I. Yeah, did you work for the state senate?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=596.0,600.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yes, I did. Okay, I tell us about that. What did you do? I worked for the state senate. I as a speech writer,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=601.0,610.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and so your English degree came in handy. Yeah, I worked","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=611.0,616.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: actually for one of the senators, but it was, I didn't, how can I put it, I didn't write speeches for all the Sanders. I wrote speeches for him, and I did his press and I wrote a newspaper column for him for the local newspapers, and during that time, I also wrote a newspaper column of my own for the some local newspapers where I lived down in the San Fernando Valley. And so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=617.0,646.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: when you, when you work for the state senate, did you live in Sacramento? I was up there three days a week, okay? And otherwise, still lived in Encino, that's right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=647.0,654.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And so I, I wrote this column which was printed in a chain of local papers, local throwaway papers,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=655.0,665.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and they were in all the different communities. What was the name of the column,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=666.0,669.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Sacramento report. Okay, not very imaginative, but I would write about a different bill every week that would be of interest, and that was fun. Was this a part time job? Then, no, it was a full time job, okay, I mean, up in Sacramento, but I left there, and I used to work on a lot of campaigns all over the state. Started out as a volunteer, and then discovered it was more fun to be paid staff. Yes. And so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=670.0,699.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: who all did you work for? Do you remember","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=700.0,703.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: did a lot of Jim Corman's campaigns, because he was a very good friend for all of us. He was wonderful, wonderful man. He just died recently. Congressman Jim Corman and I worked on a number of his campaigns from when he first ran for city council back there and but it is interesting how many people from back then have gone on to much more significant roles in life. But anyway, and then, I worked on Alan Cranston's campaigns, quite, quite a bit, and worked on local the there'd be ballot propositions. I worked on the campaign of Wilson Ryles to be the superintendent of public education, and that was a very exciting campaign. In fact, I think it was on the front page of Time magazine because it was the classic campaign of a black liberal running against a right wing white and a very rabid right wing white.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=704.0,768.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now, wasn't it, or maybe someone","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=769.0,772.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: ran against Cranston later. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=773.0,774.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: were there many? Were there many women then actively involved and followed. They were in our club.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=775.0,785.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: The clubs were all volunteer. Oh, you're talking about in the paid positions? No, they were women. Yes, a lot of women. You know how the Democrats are, they're always ahead of the game. Well, they're always more advanced in their thinking. But there are a lot of women who were holding positions in the Central Committee and county committee. And now,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=786.0,805.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: did you have children during this time? Three children. You have three children, okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=806.0,809.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and son and two daughters. So I basically the marriage ended when they were about ready to go to college, all but one, all but one, and I took her with me as we drove across the country. And just before that, I had been doing a lot of things for Cranston, Senator Cranston, and took around his petitions. As a matter of fact, when he ran for Senate and and he had a column, also a syndicated column, and I used to do research for that column for him, and he often asked me if I'd like to write one of them. And I never, I said, No, no, but he I admired him a lot. And so I came to Washington just to see what it was like. I came on a trip, and also to look up some I noticed quite a number of people from the press corps who were in Washington, who had been in Sacramento, so and I knew members of the legislature, were you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=810.0,869.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: considering a move to Washington, a job?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=870.0,872.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I really just came to say hi to everybody and see watch Allen at work. And I just fell in love with the place, and I decided I was going to come back. And I felt that I had a base here, because there, I mean, because I already had friends, people I'd known in Sacramento. And there was a natural, a natural sequence in those days in California, which doesn't exist now, where you, you were in the assembly. And. There, you ran for the Senate. Now, of course, they have term limits. It's all different. And after that, you ran for Congress. So a lot of the Congress people and their wives were people I knew when they were in the state house. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=873.0,910.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you had a pretty good base when you moved back there, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=911.0,914.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and I liked it very much. And I wanted to be in a different world. And you took your daughter, I brought her, and she didn't want to stay. She wanted to go back. How old was she then she was 15 or 16. That's a hard time to Yeah, and their father's office was a quarter of a mile, half a mile away from the house. And what was her name? Her name was Kathy, Kathy, and she became a teacher. But the other two were going off to college, so she opted to be back there with her friends. But the girls always came to visit me. Summers, they'd spend summers with me, and I just I had this feeling that I want to be in a place with different climate and different style architecture, rather than the Spanish look, and different lifestyle and a different pace and different foliage, different flowers. Were you sure found it in Washington, entirely different world, and that's what I wanted to do now. Did you find a job there? Yes, I did, and I worked originally on women's issues, and did a lot of things for campaigns against capital punishment, pro choice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=915.0,996.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: When would this have been that you moved back","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=997.0,998.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: into 70s? Okay? And that's what I meant. Mo, I did consumer when they were trying to start a consumer agency, remember that I worked on that there were always committees being set up, and you could be lobbying for them. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=999.0,1012.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you were a lobbyist, essentially. Yes, I was with any particular organization or,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1013.0,1017.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: well, just not a specific room. But anyway, I met mo at also we did things for amnesty for the kids who went to Canada for the Vietnam and conscientious objectors, all those issues women's rights era. And I met mo in 1972 January, 1972 at a Consumer Federation of America reception","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1018.0,1054.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: in Washington. That's when we met,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1055.0,1056.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and I don't remember where it was, but I somehow needed a ride back to the hill. And he was talking with another congressman who I know knew quite well. And I asked this other Congressman if he was going back. I said, I'd sure like a ride, although I said I probably I could look around and see if some he said, Well, I'm going on to the machinist party. You better see if you can get a different ride, because I didn't want to go to the he said, If you want to go the machinist. And I said, No. And Mo said, I'll take you back to the hill. So he gave me a ride, and we chatted all the way back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1057.0,1094.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now, did had you? You This was the first time you'd","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1095.0,1098.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: met him. I had seen him, did you? And I knew who he was. You didn't know who he was. I think I told you last time about when I saw him walking down this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1099.0,1107.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Tell me again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1108.0,1109.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It was what I was first there. I think it was my first trip when I just came to see what Washington was like. And I'm walking down the hall of the cannon building, and here's these three or four men looking very busy walking down the hall at a brisk pace. I think they were aides, and one of them was mo I recognized him right away, and I still remember what he was wearing, a brown tweed jacket. And I thought to myself, Oh, my God, that's Congressman Udall. And you know, when you work in politics, these are your stars. You don't care about movie stars. It's the politics, sure. And as he walked by, he kind of nodded his head at me, and he said, Hi. Well, I just about died, but he actually the great man, said hi to me. And because, you know, when you work on campaigns, you become very stage struck, and that was the first time. So anyway, he gave me a ride home, and we just after that, we would see each other at various things, and we discovered that we were in the same groove of certain circle of people of a liberal bent, and I'd see him at parties, and I'd see him at gatherings, and sometimes we'd be at the same table at the Democratic Club, and little by little, we became very good friends. And it's just easy to do that on the hill. You have a lot of colleagues you really like. Then I, at that time, I had a job. I worked for Motorola, which as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1110.0,1206.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: a lobbyist again, or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1207.0,1211.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so anyway, I was lobbying for corporate Motorola, and which is an Arizona, Arizona company. And of course, I was doing a lot better financially than working for these difficult causes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1212.0,1228.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: You know how these have to get real sometimes in Washington, that's right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1229.0,1232.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but it was very interesting. And of course, Mo had Motorola in his district, so I'd go in there, and that's what I met, Terry Bracy. He was working for a mom, and I got to know some of those staff, and I'd be in there for various things and and I just saw him somehow, in a lot of different places. And we, you know, sometimes we'd have lunch, and if he had say, What are you doing? You want to have some lunch, that kind of thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1233.0,1260.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: What? What were your first impressions of Mo when you first when you met him at the reception, which is actually very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1261.0,1268.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: nice human being, a very nice down to earth human being. And how about Terry? Ever dreamed how things would turn? Well, Terry was his staff guy and very nice young man, and that was about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1269.0,1281.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: all. Now, who else do you remember in his office? Then was Bonnie Kell. I remember Bonnie and Roger, Roger, Roger Lewis, Roger Lewis, yes. And was I talked more to Roger Lewis in those days, uh huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1282.0,1295.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And and then he had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1296.0,1299.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: was D D Jackson, D Jackson. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1300.0,1303.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: then once the company asked me to take the various members who I was covering to visit the plants in their districts. So I flew out to Tucson and took mo to visit the plants on the border, the twin plants on the border and in, you know, the border town, Nogales, thank you. And it's been a long time, yeah. And so I remember, he said, Wait a minute, I want to show you something. And he said, drive up here. And he pointed, and he showed me where to go, and he said, This is where my first law office was. I would like you to see it. And in Tucson, in Tucson with his brother. And then chuck Eris came in later, and I thought that was very sweet that he wanted me to see his first and I just liked him. He was one of the people I liked very, very much on the hill, and he was, you know, he was not the only person I liked. There are a lot of wonderful, wonderful people on Capitol Hill, and there are a lot of special people who you just enjoy and and have lunch with. It sounds like you had really good experiences. I enjoyed it in those days, Capitol Hill was a very friendly place. It was not as confrontational as it is. Now, there weren't a lot of women on Capitol Hill then were there in professional positions. There were very few lobbyists. There were maybe four or five women lobbyists. Now they're all women, but in those days, there were only four or five of us. And there was, of course, Abby Dubrow of the International ladies garment workers union, who's a legend, and there was a gal who worked for General Electric and a gal who worked for the machinist union, and it was me. But after that, by the time I left, I was there for about nine years. Then they were hiring these young things from the hill.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1304.0,1418.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did you find? Did you find being a woman had any impact one way or another when you lobbied No no, because it was during a time I was in Washington then, and I recall there, there were almost no women administrative assistants, and now they're all","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1419.0,1438.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: oh yeah, oh yes. In fact, I remember when I first was looking for a job on the hill, thinking maybe when I first came there, I thought, well, maybe I ought to get a job on the hill. That was before I had anything and I went to see the dean of the California delegation, an old timer, I'm not going to mention his name. And Alan Cranston gave me a note introducing me to him. And he looked at it. He said, Well, he said, looks like the senators trying to tell me what to do. And Alan just said, if there's anything in any of your committees that you could find for and he said, Well, I'm looking at your resume and I don't see any clerical skills. I said, Well, I type very well. I type all my own press releases. But do you do short hand? He said, No, well, I suggest. He said, Well, you're not looking for a professional job, are you? I said, Yes, well, we don't give professional jobs to women here. That's not the way it works. He said, I recommend you go downtown. And go to secretarial school and learn shorthand and all the secretarial skills they didn't have computers. That tells you how long ago it was. That's when I was the 70s Washington. And he said, Then, after you are proficient at shorthand, come back and I'll see if I can see if there's anything on any of my subcommittees for a secretary typist. And I said, thank you. And I walked","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1439.0,1524.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: out, that was, that was the typical attitude, as I recall. I never forgot that was very much the attitude then. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1525.0,1531.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: then I left Motorola and tried it on my own for a while, and that wasn't too good, because competition was tremendous. You're competing with law firms. You're competing with former members of Congress. I thought everybody loved me so much that, you know, I was not realistic. That","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1532.0,1551.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: sounds like a lot of work. You'd have to go get clients for yourselves. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1552.0,1554.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and so then I would find out about openings at places, and I was having a terrible time. And they would all say that my resume was the best one of any that they'd seen. Your resume is the absolute best of any. And they were very friendly. They seemed to like me, but I wasn't getting the jumps. And then someone took me aside, and they said, don't you understand, it's your age? Oh, they want somebody about 29 years old, 2829 and I was pushing 50. I was 50, I think I remember, but at least I was in that category. And they said, soon as you walk in, you are not a young woman walking into the office. And that's what we are, what all the companies are trying to push these young women, and they were hiring girls who'd worked in offices on the hill, not even with terribly responsible jobs, but just but there was this aura, this myth, that if they've been on the hill, they know everything. Oh, she's been on the hill. She knows all about how things work. Many of them were just correspondence, but I'm sure a lot of them were very good. Do you think some of those women were wonderful? In fact, you know, they rose up to very high positions in Colombia. Was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1555.0,1634.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: there? Do you think any sexism involved in terms of getting good looking","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1635.0,1639.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: back then, yes, but times have changed, and now they've got marvelous women working in these places and in the lobbying firms and on the hill and in so many cases, I think that they're better than the guys, because women, I think, are more conscientious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1640.0,1659.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now when I admire these gals, when, when Moe decided to run for president was, let's see, ran 70. It was about 74 because I think it was two years before he actually ran, that he announced he ran in 70. Did you know he was going to do that? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1660.0,1678.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: because we were we were pals, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1679.0,1680.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: did he ask you your advice, or run it by you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1681.0,1684.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh, I was so excited when he told me, because I had another friend who, in 72 had run a rather chaotic campaign just to prove a point not to win for vice president, and he did it to prove that you could run, that you don't have to be picked in the back rooms. Now, can I ask who that was that was anti copied? Oh, sure. Okay, and he ran to show that you don't have to be chosen behind the backs of the delegates who were voted by their districts to come there and vote, and that the delegates should have some input and not say, This is my decision. Now, just okay it in other words, he said you shouldn't have to put your hands in your pockets after you voted for the president. There should be a choice. There should be several to two. I remember that campaign it was and he said, You should the press should be able to look at them in advance and know who they are, and know if there's any skeletons in their closet. And the interesting thing is, after that campaign, of course, he knew he wouldn't win. He was just trying to prove something. That was when Nixon won, and there was Spiro Agnew as vice president. You remember what happened with him, the scandals and he had to resign, and that was when George McGovern was running and then they had this problem with Tom Eagleton, because they said he'd had shock therapy and things, of course, today, nobody would be shocked at that, but in those days, times were so different. People were so narrow minded, but they didn't like the idea that he had been an alcoholic and had Was he an alcoholic, or he'd been he had emotional problems? Yeah, I think it was. I think he'd had severe depression or something. I retract that, but, and he was such a lovely guy. Tommy was a wonderful, wonderful man. Oh yeah, he was really a winner. So here were two cases of vice presidential. Choices the same year that didn't work out well, so Peabody had the right idea. But anyway, I thought, isn't that interesting? Somebody ran for vice president, and now","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1685.0,1808.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: another friend is running for president. Now he was running from the House of Representatives, and generally people run from the Senate. What did you think about that? Did you think? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1809.0,1818.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Mo used to say, when you come to the house, nobody thinks of you running for president. But he said you and you can serve in the house for years, and know your stuff and be a power, powerhouse and very popular and very Thor, authoritative and and he said, then some young kid gets elected to the Senate. Has no political experience, and as soon as this is Moe I'm quoting, and he said he gets off the airplane, and as he's coming off the airplane, the press runs up to Mr. Senator, when are you going to run for president?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1819.0,1855.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, it was complete double standard. Yeah, really. He said they can have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1856.0,1859.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: absolutely no experience whatsoever, but because they're in the Senate, well, with a large constituency, did you think that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1860.0,1865.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: he had a chance running from the house? Oh","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1866.0,1867.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: sure. I tried to help him on his campaign. I wonder. Did Did you run? I raised some money for him. Okay? And I went to events and brought people to the events. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1868.0,1881.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: were these events in primary states or in Washington?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1882.0,1885.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No, I stayed in Washington, and I wasn't going out to do that, although a lot of my friends went up to New Hampshire and rang doorbells for them. And I kind of would have liked to do that, but I couldn't leave my job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1886.0,1897.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And where were you working then, was that with Motorola? Then? Yeah, okay, did you attend the convention? Oh, sure. Oh, you did. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1898.0,1904.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: okay, I'll never forget what that beautiful speech he made, which didn't Terry say he wrote it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1905.0,1911.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that Terry wrote it. I don't remember Terry wrote a lot of them. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1912.0,1916.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: don't know whether Terry wrote it or mo or a combination of the two, probably combination of the two. But I remember when he when he came into that room, and of course, they'd already picked Jimmy Carter, every the whole room just exploded, absolutely exploded. And he got such applause, it just wouldn't stop. And everybody was standing and everybody was crying. Now had, did you get in as as just a spectator, okay, but because I was connected as a lobbyist, I went to the VIP room. I could go there and I'd see a lot of my friends and other lobbyists and members and people like that now, but it was interesting that I'll never forget that moment. I know a lot of people have told you about it, and he gave that speech, and you looked around and people were absolutely in tears. Their faces were wet with tears.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1917.0,1972.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, I had a different experience. I was underneath the podium with him before I was advancing him on the floor during the convention, and I was underneath the podium with him when he when he went up. Now, I couldn't see the spectator exactly. I could hear them up, but and see them on a monitor below. Oh, that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1973.0,1995.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Ovation was incredible, and they everyone just stood up in a way that just showed such love for the man, which made me wonder why they elected Jimmy Carter, if they loved most of it. Well, these are the pros that were at the camp, at the these were the pros who were at the at the convention. And, of course, the primaries take place in the in the districts. So these are people in the district, so if you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=1996.0,2020.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: were in the VIP box, I had heard that Carter people had kept mo out of the VIP box, working for Mo. No, no, no, I know, but I wondered. I don't know anything about that. Yeah, okay. I had just heard that he was not allowed to go in the VIP box on the really convention, on the day of the convention. I'm sure that that was not Jimmy Carter's doing. It must have been some staff or petty person, exactly, something of that sort. He had a couple of staff people, I think, who turned out to be well. And as I say, you know, it's a it could be a rumor too,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2021.0,2059.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, but there could have been some vindictive staff person you never know. Jimmy Carter himself would never do that. In fact, when Moe died, Jimmy Carter sent me a beautiful letter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2060.0,2068.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, how nice. Yeah, how nice. Okay, so, so you were still working for Motorola, and Mo was back in at the House of Representatives, yeah? And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2069.0,2082.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: by then, we were part of a kind of a clique of people who saw each other a lot. Was this mostly liberal democratic, yeah? Staff people, members, press people, and we all, if I'd have a party at my house, I'd always invite him, and. Ella and and I would invite my friends, you know. And in those days, there was not such a gap between staff and members.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2083.0,2109.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: There was any of Mo staff involved in No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2110.0,2112.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: there were just people I knew from California and good friends and members who were friends like I was friends with Mo, you know, and trying to remember some of the people who were there, the van deer ones, used to come, Norman Mineta used to come. And can't remember, but I used to have little parties at my townhouse all the time. And we're working, remember Norman Mineta said once, he said, you have a way of putting just the right people together, where we have such great conversations. He said, I don't know how you do it. That's a talent. I really felt good about that. To me, that was a great compliment. Where was your townhouse on Capitol Hill, and I would do the cooking, and we always said, and Mo, he was so cute. I remember once the house was working late, and I had several members invited, and he called me and he said, Well, how's the party? I said, well, two thirds of the people aren't here. I said, it's pretty boring. So you know what he did? He found a way not to be stuck there, to have someone do the vote or something. I don't know what he did, but he came over to the party, and he sat there telling jokes and livening it up until the rest of the people came. Oh, good. I'm sure they wouldn't miss a vote. He probably arranged for pairing up or something, but I thought that was so dear of him to do that come by, and so I don't want you, I don't want you, to have a bad party.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2113.0,2199.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now, was he showing any signs of Parkinson's at that time? No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2200.0,2203.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: but he told me when he had it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2204.0,2208.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and was it soon after he'd been diagnosed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2209.0,2211.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yes, right after he'd been diagnosed, he told me. He said he used to think that he had a bad back, and he thought he had arthritis in the back, which he might have had, because they say many tall men with long spines have that problem. But he was never a complainer. But he called me once at my office and said, Guess what? I have Parkinson's disease. And in those days, nobody really knew what it was, because it was very much","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2212.0,2243.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: in the closet. When would that have have been? Approximately he was running for president. It was during the campaign. Uh huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2244.0,2251.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think later they said that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2252.0,2254.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: he was actually diagnosed. Was lit. Was after the campaign, right? Had so did you notice","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2255.0,2258.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was this was during the campaign, and he said, I think I'm gonna have a press conference. Oh, he said, it's a, it's a, there's no cure for it, so I'll never be, I'll never be cured. But it doesn't kill you. I'll just die with it, not from it. That those were his exact words, I'm gonna die with it. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2259.0,2278.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: during during the campaign, you were aware of symptoms, and no, he just","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2279.0,2283.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: told me that he was diagnosed. There were no symptoms, except he was not comfortable, and he would shift his legs, he put his legs up on a table, and shift the other leg, and then cross his legs, but, but that was about all, but any. I'm assuming that there was more that I wasn't aware of because I didn't see him that constantly. I mean, I would see him frequently, or sometimes not frequently. It was whenever we happened to see each other. But at the time, he said, I'm going to have a press conference, and I'm going to tell the press about it. I said, Oh, no, don't. And this was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2284.0,2319.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: when he was running for President. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2320.0,2321.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I said, if you do that, I said, Oh, dear. I know you're not going to listen to me. You've got others who give you advice. But I said, you know how rivers fly if you say you have something that's incurable, pretty soon, they're going to say you're dying of cancer, where it's going to or dying of some horrible disease. And I said, Don't do it. Don't do it. Well. Eventually he did. And I think he was a very brave man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2322.0,2344.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: But was that, was that? Well, he was still running for president, okay? He did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2345.0,2349.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: He did have a press conference, and he did announce it in those days. It was something that you hid. And if you know, if Uncle George had Parkinson, nobody knew about it, except they knew his hand shook, that sort of thing, and people were embarrassed to admit so. I think that he was certainly very brave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2350.0,2368.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: When did you start noticing that it was really beginning","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2369.0,2375.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: to affect him? Around 84","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2376.0,2380.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now, where were you at this time here? I mean, in Washington. Now, when did you switch from working with Motorola to working for yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2381.0,2391.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, that was the early 80s. Early 80s. And then that didn't really work. Work too well. As I'm saying, I was not too successful in my job search. Oh well, I was working for myself for a while, and I had several clients, and then the one that paid me the most changed their mind, and I thought, I'll never survive on what I have left. So I said that, and that's when I started looking for a job. I forgot to insert that before. But that's when I said, I better get a job working. And that's when I had the problems not realizing it was, it was my age nowadays, they probably wouldn't do that. Who knows? Maybe they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2392.0,2433.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: would. You never know. Well, they couldn't. They couldn't, probably do it as overtly, yeah, but you never","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2434.0,2438.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: know. However, and it wasn't civil service. You see, these are corporations and civil service again, so, and I understood that finally, that that was my promise. So I told Moe about it. He said, Well, you know, why don't you work on the hill? He said, I got a couple of subcommittees that I think they may need people. So I went to two different subcommittees. I worked for two different subcommittees in his room. I worked for for a little less than about a year and a half. And which subcommittees were those? One was the parks, and one was the the insular, the island territories, Island","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2439.0,2480.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: territory. So these were when he was chairman of the interior committee and subcommittee on Parks and subcommittee of island","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2481.0,2486.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: affiliation. He was not really my boss, although he was everybody's boss. But every once a while, he called the subcommittee if he had a special thing that needed doing in his office, and he'd borrow me to come up and work on some special project","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2487.0,2500.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and some interior oriented project, yeah, something that he never was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2501.0,2504.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: He wanted me to look up a lot of things on Alaska and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2505.0,2508.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: That was during when they were, yeah, when he was doing the Alaska lands bill. So he'd pull you out to do special research projects or something of that sort. But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2509.0,2520.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: then I was on a trip to California, and a friend of mine called and said, Ellie, you'd all die. And I'm very shocked. And what year was that I should know beginning it was an 88 was in summer 88 and I was in California, and there was nothing about it, California papers. So I felt just terrible. And then I came back and Mo was not in the office. I left my my good wishes, my good thoughts. On the phone, left a message with his staff, my condolences. And then he called. He was at Mark's house. He'd been out staying with Mark and Maggie","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2521.0,2573.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: in Boulder, Colorado, and he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2574.0,2576.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: told me all about what happened","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2577.0,2579.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and how much later was this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2580.0,2583.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I came back about a week or so after she died, a couple of weeks after, and this was about so all in all, it was about a month or so after her death, because he didn't call me right away and call me week or two after, when he finally got the message. And I'm sure I'm not he's probably sitting there answering a million phone calls from all the people who called. So, I mean, I don't flatter myself that he only called me, because when you think of all the people who left messages for him, but it was very sweet of him to do that. And then he said that he really thought he ought to sell his house because a lot of bad memories. And he asked if he called me up, I think it was at the committee. And he said, Would you help me with selling the house and moving my stuff and getting out? And so, most days you could get interns to do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2584.0,2636.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: things. Yes, I remember I was one of those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2637.0,2640.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And so we got some insurance, and they boxed up a lot. I mean, they didn't do his main packing, but they boxed up a lot of stuff and things that he had at home, I guess, mostly stuff that related to the job. They didn't pack his personal things or anything, but they came out, and they helped clear out a lot of things. And then he lived there for a while, and while they were showing the house, and then I was out looking for a place for him to to live, and I found I screened it down to three choices at a time, and then I'd call him and say, okay, Mom, can you take a Half hour off or so I have three choices. And some he liked, some he didn't like. What was he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2641.0,2684.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: looking for? Primarily, he wanted a condo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2685.0,2688.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And then finally, there was one that he just loved. You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2689.0,2692.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: know what? I'm gonna stop you right there to switch you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353#t=2693.0,2695.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270353/transcript/78731/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/078/731/original/azu_ms396-057_side1_a.vtt?1745254142","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/078/731/original/azu_ms396-057_side1_a.vtt?1745254142"}]}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 2 of 3 - azu_ms396-057_side2_a.mp3"]},"duration":2707.416,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/public/images/audio-default.png","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/content/2/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-arizona.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/270/354/original/azu_ms396-057_side2_a.mp3?1744847997","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":2707.416,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: All right, we've turned the tape over, and we're on side B, where I'm finding a place for him to live, the condominium, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=0.0,7.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: because he was had, there were a number of paintings around the house of Ella, and there was one life size portrait of her. And he said he was having nightmares after his medication. You know, the medication gets you a little bit off. And in the night, he would see the figure from the painting as if she were alive, knowing it wasn't, but it was. It was making him have bad dreams. And I said, You better get away from that house with all those memories. So I found several places, and the one that he really liked the best was in Crystal City, same building where John McCain lives now, and beautiful condo right on the river, and all glass in the front, triple glass so that you don't hear the airplanes, and all balcony in the front. And it was, it was very, very nice. And then we advertised at the colleges for a student to come and help him in those days, he needed help with buttons and his ties and belt buckles and tying his shoes and things like that. And so we found a lovely Chinese fellow who was already a lawyer in Taiwan, and he came to live there, and he, he liked mo a lot, and he, he was studying for the bar in the See, he was studying for the bar in the daytime. And went, No, he was going to school at night and studying in the day. In other words, he could be","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=8.0,102.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: there for both, right? So he could study, he could study, probably in the condo until mo needed him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=103.0,108.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yes, and he was wonderful. He was very intelligent, and a very sweet fellow from a lovely family in Taiwan was kept in touch for a long time and and that was, he had to leave. I forgot what it was. Oh, he got married, that's what it was. And we'd be interviewing, and Matt James helped with the interviewing too. Matt would put an ad in the paper and and we'd interview different people, and we ended up with a couple of bad ones, called an embassy once and got someone who was so highly recommended, who was, we think, on dope or something like that. They said he was a professional photographer, and his wife was a dentist, and he was a wonderful, fine young man, and he drank up all the liquor in the house, and he did a lot of crazy things through most suits into the washing machine. And finally, Jimmy, our Chinese boy, came back, and when we saw and, you know, he put things away in drawers where no one would find them, and he put knives in the linen closet. And it was just crazy. And so Jimmy looked, and we saw that all the liquor had been he had been dragged and Jimmy just stood there and said, Please leave. And he wouldn't. He watched him as he left. And I do think he must have been on some kind of dope, because he used to keep saying, Excuse me, I would go out and smoke and about every 10 minutes. So this is very odd, but so much for a fine recommendation from the embassy. Oh, he's such a lovely young man. And then we had a black man who that. He seemed to be fine for a while, but he had too much. He had a bad temper, and if I asked him to do something, he'd say, No, I don't work for you. I work for Mr. Udall. He wouldn't help me with anything, not very and I he politic. And once he said to me, I got really upset with him. Once I wanted him to move some firewood or something, and he became very angry. And he said, You know, I could hit you. I said, you're fired. So that didn't work. You just don't know. But he seemed great in the beginning, but he was, he would, I would ask him I had a woman who cleaned the house so he didn't have to do anything like that, but I would ask him to help me with little things. No, I only work for Mr. Udall. I don't work for you. Now, very rude to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=109.0,265.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: me. You were still in the subcommittee's working the subcommittee. This was after we were married. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=266.0,271.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I'm sorry. I'm getting ahead of our getting way ahead. No, but that fell from India. That was when Mo was by himself. Okay, that's the Okay. That's Yes, but, but the other one came later, after when, when we were married. Okay, anyway, during this time, and I would come and try to help mom and help him get settled, and helped him lay out just furniture in an attractive way and hang the pictures, and then he had a staff party. And. Yeah, and while we were doing some things one day, one thing led to another, and he said that he realized that he was in love with me. And when I heard that, it was so shocking, because I had compartmentalized our relationship into something very platonic. And when I heard that, it was the strangest thing. It was like sunlight breaking through. And I said, you know, I think I'm in love with you, too. And he said, I think we should get married. So that was how it all happened. And when was that? That was after Ella died. Of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=272.0,341.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: course, of course, yeah. And do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=342.0,345.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: you remember the end of the year she died in the summer? He wanted to get married right away. I said, No, you can't do that. Got to wait a year. And it was, in retrospect, I'm a little sorry, because he was doing so much better than we would have had times together where he wasn't failing, because he started failing badly after that, but we did have a lot of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=346.0,368.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: fun. Was your engagement known?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=369.0,372.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I didn't want it. I said, Don't tell anybody. Now, don't tell anybody. Oh no, I won't tell anybody. And then he had a big fundraiser up at the monocle or someplace, was it the Monica or upstairs in the Democratic Club? I don't remember where it was, so don't you think he whispers it to Susie Deconcini. And all of a sudden, the rumors all over the room, all over the room, and I see a crowd of press guys running toward me with their cameras. So I realized that he had let the cat out of the bag, but he just couldn't wait. And we were we suddenly realized that we were both very much in love, in love with each other, and he used to call me. I was still working for the committee at the time, and when I realized what we were going to get married, I quit because I didn't think it was appropriate, right? But while it was still supposedly a secret, he was calling me several times a day saying, I'm in love, I'm in love. And it was so wonderful, and really, it was really a special secret that he just couldn't keep. And I remember Roy Jones said he was so happy at that time. Now, who's Roy Jones? He was the head of the committee, the interior committee, the committee director, staff director, staff director. And but those were sweet times we go out to dinner, I remember in mo even if he didn't if, even if his hands wouldn't function, sometimes he'd let me feed him and or I just cut the food and lay it on the plate, and he'd pick it up. But if he really was not doing well, he wouldn't mind. I'd try to get a table where people were not all around us, but he had no embarrassment,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=373.0,484.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so which is wonderful, isn't it? Did you wait a year to be Barrington?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=485.0,488.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: We waited a year. And as I say, it's ironic that he became sicker, because when he asked me he was doing pretty well, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=489.0,504.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I just couldn't believe it when he said it, because just all of a sudden, all these thoughts came rushing into my head, how much I really cared for him, and how much I really did love him, and I'm sure it was the same for him. And I remember I told Roy Jones, the staff director, and he jumped up, and he had tears in his eyes, and he hugged me. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=505.0,526.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: so by the time you were married, people knew about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=527.0,528.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it. Oh yes, then it was in the paper. The next day. Was in all the papers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=529.0,533.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: But I mean before, before you were married, went after, after mo let the cat out of the bag. Oh yeah. Imagine the rumors went pretty quickly. It was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=534.0,542.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: all over. So then we had a thing. He had me interviewed at his office, and they took some pictures. And, you know, there were stories, large stories on page two, you know, inside of page one of every, practically every major paper in the country with our picture and the story that Moe Udall was engaged, and I couldn't believe we were on the front page of USA Today, in every major city we were and it wasn't just a little small picture, but it was a large picture,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=543.0,572.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and this was when you were married, actually the engagement? Wow, I couldn't believe that. So when did me to be? When did you actually announce the engagement? Then about that time, and that was when,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=573.0,586.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: well, I think it's around the first of the year, of the year, something like that, something like that in January, or something I really don't remember, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=587.0,597.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And then you were married. In August, in August and and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=598.0,605.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: we also during that time, realized that he needed someone there all the time with him. And even if we got a larger apartment, you can't have someone else living in an apartment with you, even though it was a nice, spacious apart with a gorgeous, gorgeous view. Look at those windows. You could see the Maryland shore and the water. It was an incredible view. In fact, you know who our neighbor was there. The next building was just as ends with a B he died. He was a wonderful liberal. Justice. Yes, Justice, Brennan, I'm sorry I'm having these senior moments.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=606.0,655.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Had one right along with you, goes out of my head, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=656.0,657.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: then a minute later comes back. It was justice. Brennan lived in the next apartment, and a number of people from the hill lived in those condos. They were just lovely. But anyway, we had to move to have a little more privacy, and so we found this townhouse, which he really liked a lot. And where was this one? It's in Arlington. I'm still there, and it's three floors. Well, we don't have a basement, so and and the ceilings are high, and it's a tall man's house, and Moe just loved it. And the great room, the, you know, kitchen and den combined, is has ceiling beams and all the things that he liked, and large bedroom, plenty of space, and he loved it there. So he wanted to have an open house, but we never","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=658.0,710.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: did. Did you go condo shopping together? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=711.0,715.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I would do the groundwork, and then he would come to my as I say, I give you a couple of choices, but when I saw this condo, it looks so much like a private home and the detailing and we walked in the door, you don't know you're in a condominium. You'd think you're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=716.0,731.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: in a private house. Why did he decide to go the condominium route instead of get started with gardening and, oh, that's Yeah. So we're in a townhouse. We're not in a condo. Oh, I see it's a town, okay? But he was in a he was in a condo in Crystal City, overlooking the river, right? And then he moved into a townhouse. We're in a townhouse, I see, okay, and it's a private home. It's our home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=732.0,756.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It's a small grouping of homes. A lot of people from Capitol Hill live there, and also a lot of people from the Pentagon, because it's convenient to both and and he loved it right away, because it does not look like your typical townhouse. It has a very homey When","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=757.0,774.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: did you move in there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=775.0,778.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: In 89 August? Okay, I think I might have moved in a little earlier,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=779.0,790.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: get it ready, and he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=791.0,791.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: because his hadn't sold yet, or something like that. I sold my house sooner, and I think I moved over there, but it was like two minutes away. But he liked, he really enjoyed the townhouse. Tell me about your wedding. Well, we were married. My feeling was that Mo is a man of the house. He loves the institution so much he wrote the job of a congressman, and his whole life was centered on the house. So I thought it'd be nice to be married in the house chapel, and we were and the chaplain of the house performed the ceremony. He's a Lutheran, but didn't matter. You know, mom wanted actually a civil ceremony, but I said, Oh, let him do one little prayer, and the room has George Washington holding a Bible, and it's a non sectarian atmosphere, but it's very lovely. And I mean, it doesn't lean into Catholicism or anything like that. It's just very nice. And who was there? Well, we were only allowed 38 people. I jokingly said you can come if you hold your hands in the area. And we had some of our friends from the Hillsong, colleagues and friends. Remember Congressman Kas wife were there, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=792.0,876.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I'm blanking, were there staff members too, or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=877.0,881.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, Matt James was there. And remember who all you know, it's funny. I just don't remember. I have all the pictures. How about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=882.0,888.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: his kids a long time ago,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=889.0,892.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but I'm trying to remember, oh, Jim Scheuer had a reception for. At his house, which was very, very nice. He and Emily congressman, Jim Scheuer from New York, New York. Okay, he's good friend of Moses, and he very generously, had a reception at his house. Afterward, a lovely buffet. And, oh, Father Drinan was there. Starts coming back to me now. And Father Drinan and Jim Scheuer did a harmonica duo of the Saints Go Marching In Lloyd Meads. Was there with his wife, Mary, former congressman, Lloyd Meads. And how about father Deconcini were there, I think, but we had such a limited number,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=893.0,944.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I just can't remember who all was there was there. Was there much family, just my two daughters came, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=945.0,953.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: he just didn't give his family any notice. I kept every week. Did you call them you? Oh, but I have to tell you, I got the cutest call before after the engagement was announced. I didn't, we didn't have a ring or anything like that. It was just an announcement. And I got this phone call one evening, and young man said, Is this Norma Gilbert? And I said, Yes. He said, Well, my name is Bradley Udall, and I understand that you're going to marry my father. He said, I just like to introduce myself and say congratulations and get to know you a little bit well. I thought that sweet of him, dearest, loveliest, sweetest thing. I was so touched. I was very, very moved by that. And I've always had a tender feeling for Brad since then. And then both Dodie and Anne called. I don't remember which one called first, but they both called me with the same kind of message, and I got to meet them over the telephone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=954.0,1013.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: But, but now they had not yet heard this directly from their dad. No, by then they by then they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1014.0,1019.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: had, okay, yeah, but I was sure that they would have come if he'd given them any kind of notice. But, you know, he just did. Well, none of them lived in Washington. No, I don't know what would have been, but he, I guess he was so used to people doing things for him. And I said, No, you can't have a staff person call them. You have to call them yourself. They're your own kids. But I know he did love them tenderly, because, as I say, after we were clearing things out, I found a box of letters that he saved, that the kids wrote him from when they were children, and he had carbon tissues in there of his answer to them that he typed on his little typewriter. You know that little typewriter? He had little manual, and he kept all these little letters from, from all of his children. Are those in the archives. Do you know I gave them to I gave, well, each one had a folder. I gave each one to the child, to the child, okay, I thought they'd want to have, sure, sure. And I didn't really read them. I just kind of I felt that we were too private. But I did happen to see some one of them that Mark wrote, and it was so cute. Was all about sports and and scores of games and how he was playing golf. And it was very, very cute. That was the only one, because it sort of slipped out and it was right there. But I didn't want to read father to child.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1020.0,1106.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: When did you when did you first meet the children? Meet his kids?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1107.0,1114.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, we went on a trip after we were married, and we and we went to Colorado, and then we went to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1115.0,1123.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: California, sort of a honeymoon trip, or Yeah, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1124.0,1129.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: my children, my family, were there. My friends, friends had a big party for me and but it was a lot of strain for Mo, and he was didn't do too well on the trip, but at that time, that was when Tess was born. It was just Tess had just been born, Mark's child, Mark's daughter, Mark's first truck, second child, second child, okay, and also Dodie, one of her boys. I forgot which one maybe was her first child had just been born. So there were two brand new babies there, and I had the most wonderful picture somewhere, a big mo sitting in this chair, holding this tiny, tiny little baby on his elbow. And it is the sweetest picture. Don't know where it is, somewhere in my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1130.0,1177.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, that was certainly good timing, oh yeah, for him to get to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1178.0,1181.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And they were all there. They all every one of them was there, even Kate was there. And we all had pizza together at Dodie house. And I got to know them","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1182.0,1192.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: all. Where was Kate living at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1193.0,1196.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I think she was living in Oklahoma. I. And she was, at the time, I think, teaching aerobics or something, but she was also doing some acting. She's so pretty. She's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1197.0,1212.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: beautiful. So what was your impression of the kids when you first met them? Toward them,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1213.0,1216.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I thought they were wonderful. I was just so proud to meet them all and and, you know, they're all accomplished in whatever they're doing, and it was really exciting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1217.0,1230.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So then you went to California and got to see get together with your friends, my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1231.0,1235.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: children, my two daughters, and a lot of my friends, and I had a 95 year old uncle I wanted him to meet, and my parents were gone by that time, and it was, it was a good trip.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1236.0,1252.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: You said it was a hard trip on him. Then was that when he started kind of going downhill, or, well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1253.0,1258.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: he actually started worsening right after we announced that we were going to get married, he'd been on a plateau for some time, and when we talked about getting married originally, we felt it was manageable, even if he got a little worse, that it was manageable and we could still Have a good life together, and he could still enjoy things. He wouldn't have to be an invalid. And he just went down a pig after that, and continued going down a pig. And then, after we got married, then, well, then well, then there was a period of plateau again. And after we got married, he went down again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1259.0,1307.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: How was he doing in terms of performing his work at that point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1308.0,1311.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: With difficulty, with difficulty. But he had a good staff, and they they knew him, but it was not easy. And, you know, his mind was fine. They would just give him things to sign, and he would read them, but, but I'm not sure that he was originating a lot of things at that time, except there were a couple of bills that were very important to in the Arizona wilderness he was working on that. That was the last bill he worked on. He was very excited about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1312.0,1347.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: They even, I believe, held hearings out in Arizona on that. We went, you accompanied him on those, and we went on hearings once to Hawaii for something. Was it difficult for him to sit through the hearing it was hard for him? Yeah, but,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1348.0,1363.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but, you know, his cognitive capacities were unimpaired. It's just that he was tired. He would take a nap. He slept a lot. He'd take a nap in the office, and they didn't want to wake him up, and sometimes it was hard to wake him because","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1364.0,1383.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: the drugs did that. Was there a time when","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1384.0,1386.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: that he continued to produce, he continued to produce legislation?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1387.0,1391.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Was there ever a time when he started receiving pressure to resign?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1392.0,1400.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, the end of the last term, some people questioned whether he could serve another two years, and he said, well, and he was kind of okay that and and then he but this was, well, it wasn't the end, it was toward the end of the last term. So I would say it was about a month or so after we got married, and he had gotten a little worse, but he was still all right. And he said, No, I think I still have a couple of years in me for one more term. And he ran, he ran and he won, but it was very hard on him, the campaign, very hard on him. And he, I remember, he said something about, I sit before you, and he went through all of his ailments with a bad back and a bad this and a bad that. And he said, but I think it's pretty good considering the alternative. You know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1401.0,1464.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I remember that that's one of my another one of my favorite comments of his, but it was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1465.0,1471.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: hard for him. But he he loved serving in the house so much that he put all of his energy into whatever he had to do on the hill and wiped out his energy for a lot of other things, he would just become tired easily. How did he deal with the loss of independence? Oh, he didn't like it, you know? He I wasn't aware of it, but his secretary had told me that he had a couple of fender bends. Years, and they said, You can't drive your car anymore. We'll have one of those. Eric used to go out and pick him","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1472.0,1504.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: up. Who was the secretary at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1505.0,1512.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I'll think of it. You know that? Oh, Joan, okay. Joan, right. And anyway, so at what point did he have to give","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1513.0,1522.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: us very upset? And I remember he said, damn it. You know, he's just taking away my manhood. Don't take that away from me. Driving a car is important for a male, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1523.0,1533.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: guess. No, I think giving up, giving up your licenses is a big thing, especially for Westerners, Arizonans, who Yeah, and then he they wouldn't let him fly either. Obviously. Remember, he had that line in the campaign, they said he'd gotten rid of the Piper Cub, and he said, that's okay, because the next one will be Air Force One.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1534.0,1555.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: But he was upset when they said he couldn't fly anymore. When was that? Do you remember that was way before my time? But Well, I was with during the campaign for president, and I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1556.0,1571.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: when, when was, when was he? Did he stop driving?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1572.0,1577.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It was i","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1578.0,1583.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: i guess it was around the time Ella died.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1584.0,1589.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I would imagine that would have been incredibly difficult for him. He found her. He found her. He found her himself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1590.0,1597.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: He rushed across the street to his neighbors whose sons had done things for him, and he said, please call an ambulance. Call the police. Was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1598.0,1608.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: she alive? Still? When he found her, she was already gone. But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1609.0,1613.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: that was very hard for him and unbelievably difficult for him. He suffered so when you consider he had meningitis as a child, you know, and lost an eye","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1614.0,1625.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: well, he generally turned the bad things like that into good things he did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1626.0,1631.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I've never seen anyone who is loved with such death by so many people. Unanimously,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1632.0,1642.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: very true. Who, how did he get to and from work after he lost his Well, the stamp person would pick him up, bring him in. Did, did Ella used to drive him at all to work, or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1643.0,1653.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No, a stamp person would bring him. And they had this. He had this white car, and this white convertible Buick with red leather upholstery, and the staff used to call it the mow mobile. And finally, he had to get rid of that when he couldn't drive anymore, and he sold it to one of the staff people, and then it was stolen. Oh, dear, and wrecked so But anyhow, the Those were hard times for him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1654.0,1685.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So that last campaign, did anybody do you recall try to talk him out of running? Or, I'm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1686.0,1691.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: sure people did, but he he was so committed to the house he could not see not serving. And I wasn't about to say, Don't run. I felt if he wanted to do it that badly, I'm not going to stand in his way. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1692.0,1711.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you said mentally, he was doing fine. Then,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1712.0,1714.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: oh yes, it was just, you know, one of the problems with Parkinson's is you lose words, like I did a couple times on this tape, and he couldn't say the words. Sometimes they would just get stuck in his throat, more or less, and they wouldn't come out. And then sometimes he would have problems with mobility. He would stop and freeze, and you had to give a push to get them going. Kid,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1715.0,1744.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Was he having","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1745.0,1746.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was not in any way impaired in his thinking? It's just he didn't have the stamina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1747.0,1755.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Was he having to cede a fair amount of his workload, etc, onto the staff by then. Yes, in the committee, he did, I would imagine,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1756.0,1766.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and he he kept the energy subcommittee, and he kept the Indian Native American subcommittee, and he gave up the other ones that he sent on. But he certainly chaired the committee, because after he went the hospital, the Vice Chair took over George Miller,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1767.0,1786.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so he relied on his staff tremendously at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1787.0,1789.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, and they were very good. They really helped him and made sure that if he didn't feel well, that they you. Change his appointments around. I know it was hard for them. I know it was very hard for them, harder for some than for others, because some of them were with him more, and they had to, and it was difficult. It was difficult. I mean, he's such a nice person, but he was a big man, and to be helping him physically to get around, he was a great big guy. And like well, for example, if he was in a car was someone driving him, he would lose the balance and he would fall over sideways against the driver. That's what I mean when I say it was difficult. Yeah, it was difficult to deal with that while you're driving a car, this big man leaning up. And also, we have a little elevator in the house. Thank heavens. You know three story townhouse, then he'd be in the elevator, which he did not like at all, and he would lean against the metal, which automatically stops it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1790.0,1877.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, uh huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1878.0,1879.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: We had some times getting him going again. It has a mechanism that, if you lean","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1880.0,1884.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: against the middle, so, so the so the townhouse itself had its own elevator.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1885.0,1889.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yes, it is, but there were things you know, for the people who helped him in those ways, you had to learn helping him down the steps and things like that, so that he wouldn't fall. So they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1890.0,1900.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: were doing not only extra in terms of the congressional and committee work, but also in terms of helping him out physically, yeah, but he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1901.0,1910.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was still the congressman, yeah. And they would bring in the papers, and he'd look with his eagle eye at every paper, and he would know what it say, what it was doing, and he would sign everything, and he his, his thinking was, was okay, and he would, you know how he used to cuss a little bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1911.0,1932.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Was there a time when it was suggested that he stepped down in terms of the chairmanship of the interior committee at","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1933.0,1939.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: one point, there was some one of the members of the committee started a challenge, and this was behind closed doors, and I found out about it later, and a good friend on the committee who is still a visible public figure. I don't want to put a lot of names in here. He called me up and he told me what happened. And he said, I stopped it. I stood up and said, What are you doing? Don't you realize this is MO You don't How dare you? How dare you challenge and it was stopped. But they're always going to be ambitious people like that. Oh, of course, in Washington, yeah, and I was very I'd like, later, I'll, we'll talk about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1940.0,1986.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: it in in, I think it was early in January, 1991 I think it was, yeah, that's what I've got in your townhouse. Mo fell down some stairs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=1987.0,2003.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Somehow, someone in the press said a flight of stairs, which was not true, because if he had fallen down a flight of stairs, it would have killed him. But that story appeared in every paper in the country, and it took the longest time to correct it that he had fallen down a flight, or what? What was it? He fell down about three or four steps, but he fell backward, and that was he wouldn't use the elevator, elevator, and and I was alone with him then, and he, the strange thing was, he was very good on steps. And he he was not sleeping too well. Parkinson patients don't sleep that well. And he'd get up in the middle of the night and go down to the kitchen and make himself some ice cream, or, I mean, dish out some ice cream for himself, and then he come back up the steps. He was up and down the stairs all the time, but I was thinking about at the office, the steps were marble, so they always were careful with him on the steps. But at home, we had carpeted steps in and I wasn't even aware he'd go up and down. And he liked to walk around the house in the middle of the night and or he'd pour himself a beer. And so this was a Sunday, and he had been watching the Redskins, and he said we thought about going to a movie later. He said, Well, I'll go up and take a little nap and then we'll go to the movie later. And he went up just a few little steps, and I heard there's yell, and. It, and he had fallen backwards. And as you know, there are a lot of blood vessels in the head, which is why protesters always look so bloody. And he was bleeding. And I was terrified, absolutely terrifying. Quickly called ambulance in the fire department, and they took him to the hospital. And I remember his doctor, with a dear friend from NIH called up and said, Now Norma Parkinson patients fall all the time, which is true, he was falling but hadn't fallen on steps. I mean, he fell when we were in Hawaii several times. Just we were standing there talking, all of a sudden, he's down on the ground. And he said, they fall, and that's the nature of the disease. Don't blame yourself. I said, Oh, I should have been right there with him. He said, If you had, maybe he would have fallen on you, and you would have been injured too. And he said, Please don't even begin to think about things like that. He said, it happens. This is the nature of Parkinson's. And he broke a couple of ribs and a shoulder but collarbone, and he never came back from the hospital after that, never came back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2004.0,2172.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did it just? Why was that? Did it just, was it? It the last straw?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2173.0,2177.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah. Well, and also his disease had been going downhill, and it brought it to a point where it would have gone to that point anyway, according to the doctor, because he was having tremendous difficulties speaking, he was having a lot of trouble talking, and after the fall, he couldn't speak at all. And the doctor said, probably in a few months, this would have happened anyway,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2178.0,2207.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: despite even if he had not even had a folly probably,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2208.0,2210.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but he that was the last but in the hospital, he did speak a little bit. Once in a while, something would come out of him, little phrases. But after a while, he couldn't speak at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2211.0,2222.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: How. How was he taking it? I mean, when he did speak in the hospital, never complained. He'll never complain. Did he realize what was happening to himself? Never complained.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2223.0,2234.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And the nurses just loved him. And other patients would come in and visit him, and he was, he was at the VA.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2235.0,2241.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now, how long was he in the hospital? Well, the VA is a hospital, but the hospital section of the VA versus the nursing home,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2242.0,2250.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so it's all one the nursing home is also a hospital, okay? They're all doctors and nurses there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2251.0,2261.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So did he initially get a lot of visitors, oh, from every the hill and staff and everyone. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2262.0,2266.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I always say, it's amazing how many Republicans came and the hospital was so wonderful. The hospital administrator called me in and he said, anything that he needs anything? And I said, Well, the first thing we need is that he's kind of curled up on that hospital bed. It was a good sized hospital bed. You know, it was wide and all that I said, But, you know, he's very tall. He have one that's a little longer. The next day, the next day, there was a new bed there, and it was state of the art, the kind, if you press on one end, it goes up on the other. So you never, you always have balance, right? Had all these electronic buttons at the bottom. Oh, excellent. It was a marvelous family, and they did it for him. And I remember the head of the hospital took me in one day, and the head of the nursing home, it was a woman at the time gerontologist, and she said, I just want you to know, Mrs. You know that it's a privilege to have your husband here with us, and we consider him a national treasure. I thought that was very that is very sweet, but he never complained how when the nurses used to come in and chat with him, so he went","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2267.0,2333.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: to the hospital and and fairly soon after, was considered a nursing home. Yes, the vet Veteran Affairs nursing home patient,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2334.0,2341.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I gave a private room, and in the beginning, the hospital themselves stationed a guard outside his room so that the press wouldn't come in. I didn't want the press to see him like that, and I left orders with the people that they can't let anyone through at the desk unless their name is on a certain list, and if their name isn't on a list, call me, because I didn't want people coming in taking pictures of a man who's sick. Just unfair. And did, but he had so many people coming, and some of his most consistent visitors, were really kind. They would talk to the staff who were some of those more consistent visitors, Dennis Deconcini and Senator McCain. You know, he came every week and read to him and brought press releases, and he had Henry. Rice used to come and Senator Kennedy, Ted Kennedy, of course, all the nurses lined up when he came. And Jay Rockefeller came, and Barbara Bush came. Al Gore came when he was vice president.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2342.0,2418.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Did President Bucha ever come?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2419.0,2421.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, he came to the when we had a retirement party. Mo was already in the hospital. We had a big retirement park that was Bucha came. He came to that. He just walked in. And we hadn't necessarily invited him, but it was in the paper that they were going to have it. And he just, he just came, and he spent, oh, I think about 45 minutes there. Now","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2422.0,2441.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: this was, this was met with everybody, getting ahead of ourselves a little bit. This","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2442.0,2447.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: was in 91 when he went to the hospital.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2448.0,2450.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: But there were, how long a period of time was there, he was in the hospital, then pretty much went into the into, I see what you mean. Yes, you're right. You're right. And then there was a period of time where he was still a member, where he was still a member, and then at some point he retired. He retired, and that's when we had the party. It did he retired. I think it was June 1. Was he aware? Or may 1 of the visitors. I mean, when Senator Kennedy came, when Barbara Bush came, was he aware of he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2451.0,2483.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: would see people, and he'd open his eyes and smile, but sometimes if he wouldn't respond at all, and that was very disconcerting when people would come up there. I'm trying to remember, you know, I feel badly because I mentioned a few names and probably left out some of his most conscientious visitors. So maybe we should not put this in there, because right now I know as soon as I leave you, I'll think of people who were there all day. Oh, sure. And maybe we shouldn't mention their names. Can you cut that? I think,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2484.0,2514.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I think it's good to know who, who was there, because other people will mention that they were there, and I'll get, I'll collect more and more names. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2515.0,2521.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: he had a lot of members come to visit him, and a lot of Republicans came. And staff did. His staff came, staff members come. Senator Simpson came to visit him. And now","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2522.0,2533.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: what did? What did they do? If Moe wasn't really recognizing just sit with him or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2534.0,2539.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I, there would be times where he would just not be communicated. Maybe it just had medicine or something. And a couple of his old friends were kind of disturbed, and they felt terrible because they said he just stared out the window, but they I said, but he still heard you. Oh, Cliff Robertson used to come all the time, and he wrote a beautiful poem about, well, I know you've seen that poem, yes. And we had it on the wall in the hospital, where we had pictures of all his children all over the wall photographed. Now, how the seal? We had the seal of the House of Representatives on the wall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2540.0,2576.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And there came a time when he he pretty much had to resign. It was it became evident that he was not going to be able to go back to the house. Did I mention Hillary Clinton? No, no, you didn't she visited him as well. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2577.0,2592.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I know that I've left a lot of people out, and I feel very well keep","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2593.0,2595.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: adding them, as you think of them did when he resigned, how did that decision come about? How was that decision made?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2596.0,2608.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Family decision,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2609.0,2612.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and he did you sign his resignation? I had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2613.0,2617.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: to write the letter. It was up to me to write the letter. And so I did, and we it was exactly 30 years of service for him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2618.0,2631.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I remember that 61 to 91 Yeah, and then after that, a reception was held. Now tell me about that, because I that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2632.0,2640.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: we had a party and and the staff made a big guest book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2641.0,2645.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Now this was at the House of Representatives, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2646.0,2648.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: everybody, always colleagues and friends, and everybody came to sign it, and they had it outside the door, and it was, unfortunately, it was just before a holiday. It was in Purdy. Was in August before we put it together, or maybe July. It was some kind of a holiday weekend, getting away week. They call it getting away weekend, where people are leaving and still, there was a mob there. There was just a mob. And until, I tell you, they had a testimony on the floor honoring him. No, no, yeah, they had two days of speeches on the floor. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2649.0,2691.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: that's, of course, that's where the book special, the book came from. Yes, oh, yeah, yeah. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2692.0,2696.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: we, I helped on that book. You. Understand that after they finished most book, they started working on through Marshall's book, it's only for the.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354#t=2697.0,2699.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270354/transcript/78732/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/078/732/original/azu_ms396-057_side2_a.vtt?1745254216","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/078/732/original/azu_ms396-057_side2_a.vtt?1745254216"}]}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 3 of 3 - azu_ms396-058_side1_a.mp3"]},"duration":1914.48,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/public/images/audio-default.png","type":"Image","format":"image/png"}],"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/content/3/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-arizona.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/270/355/original/azu_ms396-058_side1_a.mp3?1744847999","type":"Audio","format":"audio/mpeg","duration":1914.48,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Where are we? Let's see we're we're on tape number 53 side A and 353, in a series, yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=0.0,9.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: oh, but not 53 of mine? No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=10.0,13.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: This is a second tape in the Norman. You know, where were we? We were talking when I wanted to ask you about the reception held after Moe's retirement, retirement, the reception at the was it in the Capitol, or was it in one of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=14.0,29.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: house office buildings? It was in the house office building, and you and there was a little word about it the paper, and that's how George Bush had heard about it, and just invited himself came with so he just showed up and he stayed. He and He was all excited, because they were, there were a lot of pictures around that they had taken out of the files, and one of them was a picture of the baseball team, yes. And he said, That's me. There I am with Moe, you know. And he, he really was, he was great. He stayed and talked to everybody in the room. What was his relationship with with Moe? Well, they knew each other in the house. I don't think Moe felt overly thrilled about him, but those days, too, he was a little more moderate. Remember, he was a pro choice, moderate, but I remember one nice thing When Mo and I were and keep going back in time, when we were going places together, when we were married, and we did have some wonderful times and such fun, you know, and but he was sick then, and we went to the White House picnic, which is for Cabinet members and and members of Congress, both parties and and Senate and and it's just very informal. Everybody wears jeans and all that. And we came there, and there were two lines on the grass. I mean, on the on the lawn, there were two long lines, one at either end. One was Barbara, people coming up and shaking hands with her, and one was George at the other end. And then they would get their picture taken as they were shaking hands. And there was this long line at either end. And so we came up along the side. We were talking to the shoyers. And Emily Sawyer went over to Barbara Bucha, and she pointed over to Mo. She nudged Barbara, and Barbara stopped, left her line and said, Ah, and she said, Mo, and she hugged him, and she took hold of his arm and took hold of me with the other arm, and marched us both across the grass, all the way across the grass. And there was George with with the line, and she stopped there and she said, George, look who's here. And he left his line and came over and greeted Moe. And it was really a very so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=30.0,172.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: they must have had sort of a special regard for each other. I don't think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=173.0,176.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Moe had a lot of affection for George, one didn't dislike him, but I don't think that he was somebody who was one of his special people. I think he was just sort of indifferent about him, but, but,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=177.0,192.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: but Bush himself must have pretty special about mo to have come to his retirement. That's right, Purdy. And we were, we were thrilled. Oh, sure. I have so many pictures, sure. Well, how was, how was your life then? I mean, this must have been a very difficult time for you, because he was, he was in the nursing home and and not, couldn't talk at that point, could he and,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=193.0,216.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but in the beginning, he could eat food, he could hold a cup, and he could eat things with his fingers. But I used to come and feed him. I came every day, and I'd sit there with him three four hours sometimes, and I would feed him and help him to eat more efficiently. And I'd bring him goodies. I'd bring him ice cream and cookies. He loved cookies. Always had cookies in the closet there, and he loved ice cream. And I got to know all the nurses and and I watched carefully to make sure that he was not that everything was right, things were being done properly. And got to know all the doctors, and I was there maybe five out of six days a week. And one day the doctors called me aside and said, You got to stop this. It's too much. I'd sit there, and if you fell asleep, I'd read, and then he'd wake up and we'd talk, and I would just chatter away and tell him news. And I'd try to use a lot of names of people. And sometimes I would try to use the name of somebody, maybe who he couldn't stand. I would mention someone who he really didn't like, to try to get a rise out of him, you know, and then he would give me, he'd kind of get a twinkle in his eye. And I. You know, we were talking, even though he wasn't, and we'd watch TV movies together, and I don't think he really focused on them, but we'd be together, and I was always sitting there holding his hand and petting him. I was always petting him and but they said you got to stop coming here this often, or you're going to burn out. And they said you have to start taking trips. Go out of the country, take a tour, go away for a weekend. Do it continually, you know, periodically. So then I took a trip. And I used to take trips about every few months. Where'd you go? Oh, I went with, I went with the local the first trips I took over the local college history department, and we went to Greece. And was wonderful. You take the classes first, it sounds wonderful, yeah, you take classes. You learn all about the country and the history, and then you go to the and before that, you go to the museum to look at their art. And it was fabulous. It was wonderful. And then I went to, I took a number of trips different countries and enjoyed them. I remember Mo said, when we were married, he said, the first thing we're going to do is, I'm going to show you Alaska. And we had a trip planned, but he was too sick. Oh, that's too bad. And he never did so, you know, I did. I went to Alaska. Oh, good. And I mentioned my name and wherever I went, even in the artist shop said, Say the name, you know, and they'd hug me. It was, it was wonderful. But I went to China with, with that same group. Very interesting trip to China. Excellent, excellent. I went to England. I would take a trip about twice a year. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=217.0,399.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: did you ever get the feeling mo even really knew you were gone? They","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=400.0,404.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: said he didn't. Yeah, they said time didn't matter to him, but I would, I'd be calling them overseas. I'd be crying. And so twice a year, I would take a big trip, and then I took an elder hostel. I went to Nepal trek. I But this is over a period of years. But basically I was there and they said, Don't come every day now. And they I, so I went three times a week, and they said, that's healthier. And so then I got more involved and started taking classes and doing things like that that I couldn't do when I was going there every day. Well, you had, you had a life too. Yeah. Well, they said if you burn out, that's worse. We'll have two patients. And his doctor remains a very dear friend. His doctor from NIH Chase, and, no, I haven't talked to him. You should talk to Tom Chase. Probably used to sit and tell jokes together. That's a good idea. Very good idea, and he was always better. As soon as he got there, he'd be better. Well, how are you, Paul, Oh, can't complain. Well, any, any problems? No. And I'd say yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=405.0,472.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yes, that's the rule. When you go to a doctor, though you feel great by the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=473.0,476.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: time when you go to the dentist, right? Exactly. And he's a wonderful man, and he's a very fine doctor. He has a fabulous reputation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=477.0,483.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: toward toward what was in the nursing home, how long it was, well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=484.0,489.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: total time that he was in the hospital, including when he was first, we first fell. He was in a regular hospital. It was and then they sent him to NIH for a couple of weeks. So that first month, he was in other hospitals. But after that, he went to the VA, which was wonderful. And he and I figured out with Elma today it was nine years, 99 years. Okay, because it was from January 91 to December 98 Okay, so you have both exactly, and he they were so kind to him. They just loved him. And they gave a private room in the back where they didn't put his name out outside of the plate, and he had good privacy the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=490.0,533.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: in the last in the end of those years, say, 789, a year, I imagine the visitors had trickled off quite a bit they did who, who remained regular visitors. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=534.0,547.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: of course, I'm not talking about family, because I know Ann used to come up and, well, I know John McCain continued coming and and Dennis to concini. And I know he was, he wasn't getting as many, but there would be people who would just like be in town, his friend, Dr Tarkov. Nick, you know Jerry Tarkov? Nick,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=548.0,576.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: he would always go up when he was in town and visit Mo and just different people. Bill Hungate came into town and he would go visit. So there would be occasional visitors, but you're talking about regularity. It was erratic, yeah. Cliff Robertson would be regular if he was in town. Emma","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=577.0,598.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Cain. Remained regular, and Deconcini, Deconcini,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=599.0,601.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, and then, of course, the Deconcini split. They had a divorce, and Dennis used to continue coming. And I just know there were others. And I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=602.0,613.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: did you get the sense? Did you get the sense that Mo was aware of those visits, or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=614.0,620.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: toward the end, you never knew. The last couple of months, it was hard to know. You know that the last few months, they fed him with intravenous through an IV, and not with an intravenous. That's poor language,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=621.0,642.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: intravenously, intravenously,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=643.0,646.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and they they had a tube in his stomach because he couldn't swallow. He would choke. And I thought how terrible not to be able to taste. And the doctor said to me, don't feel badly, because sense of taste is one of the first things they lose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=647.0,666.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But I remember","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=667.0,667.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: in the beginning, you know, when he was okay, we'd go to banquets, and I'd sit there very quietly, only moving from the elbow down so people couldn't tell, and I'd be cutting his meat for him on his plate and sticking it on a fork. So all he had to do was pick up the fork and I'd be cutting his things. And he seemed to be enjoying his food. He liked Mexican restaurants. But I guess they're talking about when it's advanced, when must have been. They'd probably mean the advanced cases.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=668.0,694.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did you stay in touch with the kids during this time, with most kids, or this time, not that much and and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=695.0,703.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was always in touch with his sisters. If they were in town,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=704.0,709.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I would see them. Did they come into town to see him? Occasionally, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=710.0,713.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: suppose I'm not sure when or when they came. I never knew when they came. Sometimes the doctors would say his daughter was here, or his son was here. But once or once or twice, I happened to walk him, and Mark was there, and he just happened to be in town. You know, they, they had sent him on business. He wasn't in Congress. It sent him out on business. And so he stopped by. So I, and I know Anne says she was going there. And they, did say that that his daughter was there, and once, I remember, I bumped into Dodie there with her whole family, and they had come out just to see him, which was very nice. That is nice. It was special, but that I was not part of the decision of them to come. They did it on their own.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=714.0,758.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now, were you active in Washington and other in organizations, or, because I thought you had been, I thought you, you were involved in some organizations. He","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=759.0,771.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: got sick. I immediately got involved with the Parkinson's immediately, and and did too, but Anne's organization is a lobbying organization that lobbies for appropriations for study, and the one that I lined myself up with is fundraising for research rather than the lobbying the government for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=772.0,796.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: it. Both are good, I mean good compliment to each other,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=797.0,800.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah. So there are different approaches. And for a while, I was invited to be on, I was on the board of the APDA American Parkinson Disease Association, and they had kind of a difficult scandal. Somebody was taking a little money. Oh, dear. And so it was too bad, because he was a person I liked a lot, but so I said, reluctantly, we're going to have to retire. I don't want Mo's name to be connected with this. So the other organization, the National Parkinson Foundation, NPF, invited me and Mo to be on the Board of Governors, which is different than the board. It's their board is very much day to day, active decisions. The Board of Governors is a level up, and it's they have a lot of people there who are well known do you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=801.0,862.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: remain active with them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=863.0,863.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yes, I've been on the Board of Governors. In fact, they gave me an award a couple years ago, and which I still have at home, a beautiful microscope, and I'm going to their annual meeting in March. I go every year, and I contribute, and I try to get my friends to contribute, and I used to speak to I haven't in a while, but for a long time, I used to go around and make talks, give talks to caregiver groups and patient groups, and I bring films of Mo and before and after and tell. All them, how we dealt with it and what we did to manage with the disease. You know, there are a lot of things that patients share with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=864.0,905.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: each other, sure. Oh, yeah, I'm sure that was very valuable too. Well. It was nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=906.0,909.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And they, especially, they all seem to admire him so much that I enjoyed doing that, but I haven't done it in the last few years, but I did that for quite a while. And then I'm involved with, you know, we all give to all the charities, but I'm also and I'm a good Democrat, of course, but I belong to the Congressional spouses, and then I belong to, which is a lifetime thing, and then I belong, which is called the congressional club and democratic spouses Forum, which is great. I see all the wives of people we know, and it's a lot of fun. And we have interesting speakers up on the hill. And then I am also involved with the former members of Congress and and and those were really fun, and they're the ones that just adorable. They love to tell me things about and for a while, I was a tutor for the literacy council of Northern Virginia, but I found it was very hard putting in the time tutoring. It was private, one on one, and going to the hospital and trying to have my own life in terms of taking classes and things like that myself. And so finally, I gave up the tutoring, and I had a student who, the last student I had, was so disinterested that it kind of lightened the burden of leaving. She wanted to learn tomorrow. Oh yeah, yeah, and didn't want to have to work on it. Yeah, yeah. And didn't care. So I wasn't really leaving someone right in a bad situation. She was really anxious to get out of it, or so well, in 1994","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=910.0,1018.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you were appointed trustee of the new Udall foundation. Yes, and you remain on the board. That's right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1019.0,1026.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Terry, almost 10 years later, yeah, Terry asked me to be chair of the Education Committee, and that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1027.0,1033.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: shocking that it's been almost 10 years since it was formed. Yes, seems like yesterday,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1034.0,1040.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and that grueling thing, you have to go through those FBI checks. FBI checks is awful. And also the papers you have to fill out, and they call you on the phone and they ask you the same questions over and over, and then you write, you get them in writing, and then you send it back, and they'll call you and ask you the same questions over and over, thinking you may","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1041.0,1064.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: now on the on the Board of Trustees with the Udall foundation. Have you had a particular function or speciality or, well, something like the report of the education committee? Okay, that's what I do. So are you head of the Education Committee. Or, theoretically, well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1065.0,1082.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: this, there's a staff that does the basic, you know how it works. But I'm, I am the chair, and things go out under my name, and, and, and I participate in the decision making at the meetings, which is, to me, very important, and I tremendously respect Terry. What he's done. Terry Bracey, Oh, yeah. And then sometimes I have lobbied. You know, I was lobbying for Parkinson's money, and I couple times Terry asked me to go up on the hill with him to help lobby for money for the foundation, and I try to use my my husband's name judiciously where it's useful, because it's a name that people respect. And Mo was a man larger than life, larger than life, as I told you, there were so many things about him that I never knew, because he wasn't the kind of man that told you who bragged. And people come to me with these marvelous, marvelous little words, little stories about things that he did, and Congress would tell me how He cleverly gaveled something into law before someone could come and mess it up. And and, and little things that he said that just broke up the house and and, and his accomplishments were absolutely amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1083.0,1172.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: That's one of the last things I wanted to ask you, is this is such an amazing yeah, he passed away in December of 1998 and I wonder what you think his legacy will be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1173.0,1184.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: His legacy, of course, is in the environment, because everybody associates him with that, and his legacy is being a fine human being. I. Yeah, he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1185.0,1203.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: he did more than I can imagine any man would. Do you remember how he was writing a law textbook in the early morning, and then going on and practicing law the rest of the day? He'd get up at four in the morning, and he did so many he did so much in the time that was given to him to be here on Earth,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1204.0,1225.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and he was to me, I don't mean to make it sound corny, but he was the finest human being I've ever known in my life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1226.0,1239.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: He was a good person. He had principles. He was moral. He never said an off color word. Not that that's bad, but he was honest. He was honorable. He was he had a brain that was unbelievable. He was so brilliant, and yet he had that folksy, sweet, humble manner. But he'd sit down and write something, and you'd realize how brilliant he was. I remember once we had some of my friends over, and he was sitting on the couch talking to a friend of mine who worked at the oceanography laboratory, not ocean","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1240.0,1285.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: National Oceanographic, no, it was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1286.0,1289.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the the the planetarian that's up there, near the Vice President, yes, the naval planetarium. And she was a speech writer up there, and she had to write about oceanography, that's what it was. And she told him she was learning about oceanography, and he started talking to her and telling her things. And she sat there with her mouth open. She couldn't believe her. She had been spending weeks going through all the textbooks, and she said whatever she asked him about, he knew, he knew his mind collected things, and he never forgot. And I think he was a wonderful writer, a talented writer, and I think his heart was in his country. He loved the United States. He loved the beauty of the world. He used to say to me, Oh, look at that. Look at that. Sky. Isn't that gorgeous? Look what we have. He said, How could anybody want to take that away? How could anybody want to chop down those trees? Look at this. He said, This is such a gift, and these people, they want to make decisions and carve things up. It's going to be here a long time, let's wait and let our great grandkids make those decisions. Why do we have to tie things in little bundles? And he would become so emotional when he would see beauty","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1290.0,1374.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, I thought Mark put it very well today at the at the Udall foundation dedication of their new building, where he said that he he and his dad really had that in common, that they would go out into nature and see it sort of as the manifestation of the Creator.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1375.0,1390.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: That's right. And what's interesting too, is I always love nature, but I was not acquainted with the desert. I mean, I'm from California, but the desert there is kind of barren. And I didn't I had not been exposed to the beautiful vegetation, although parts of California desert do, but not where I live. And he showed me all the different cacti, and he showed me what what they do and and the blooms. And all of a sudden, I realized the richness of the desert, which is something that he knew all along so and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1391.0,1425.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: something a lot of people don't realize. But oh, he did truly, truly love.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1426.0,1430.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And I think I know this is a corny word to use, but he was such a good man. He was such a good, good man. When my parents came to town. I took them to see him, because my father's from New Mexico and, and a lot of Utah live in New Mexico and and he was so tender to my parents. He was so sweet to them. Really, I'm gonna cry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1431.0,1456.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, this is probably actually a good time to end it. I think so I'm questions, and I thought the last few words were summing it. I think that's a wonderful way to end it. He was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1457.0,1468.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: good, a good man. He was a good human being.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1469.0,1472.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: What more can anyone want to be said of them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1473.0,1476.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And even though he was a lifelong Mormon and respected that the religion and his parents were so involved he would have no part of it when he heard that they their attitude toward the blacks, and that took a lot of strength in a family that's so tied up in Mormon history, although I think they don't do that anymore, but at the time, remember they Yes. They they changed. They changed, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1477.0,1501.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: know going to going into the service in World War Two and and serving directly with the blacks and then, and then coming back and and finding that African Americans were treated so differently in his church. Was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1502.0,1518.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: mo commanded not a battalion, but a company of blacks when he was in the military. No, I didn't know again, and he said, when he was in the when he was running for president, one of the, one of the came over to him, and years later, because he was just about 20 at the time, 30 years later, and the man said, I remember you and you were the fairest man I ever met.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1519.0,1546.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, that's wonderful. Yeah, that's wonderful. And but,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1547.0,1550.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: you know, he had, he used to always get excited. He would tell me about some bill or some piece of legislation, and he'd say, but what about all the little guys? What about all the little people out there, the little people who don't have a voice, who don't have power? What do we get into about all those little people who don't who aren't organized, and don't have somebody here in Washington? And he said, and that was a concern of his, the little people out","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1551.0,1580.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: there? Yeah, yeah. That was, that was always a concern of his,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1581.0,1583.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and he was very upset about the poor. Very upset about the poor. You don't have a lot of poor in Arizona, do you? Oh, yes, do you very definitely. I thought they had pretty good employment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1584.0,1597.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: There's, we have a large immigrant population, agricultural migrant workers. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1598.0,1604.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: that's right, you're near the border. That's right. Well, he was very, very concerned about poverty, and I guess that's the way a Democrat ought.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1605.0,1617.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, thank you so much. Word","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1618.0,1618.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: is, I loved him very much. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1619.0,1620.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: that's that's a wonderful thing to hear and a wonderful final word,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1621.0,1624.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and it's too bad that I didn't have more of him","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1625.0,1630.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: or have him longer and been better health longer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1631.0,1632.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: One of his poker buddies who died in a very bad sailing accident about 10 years ago. His wife is a very good friend of mine. We do a lot of things together. And her and this fellow was witty and funny and terrific Dick Conlon. If you know about him, I don't think you knew about it, but I won't go into all of it, but anyway, I she and I do a lot of things together, by the theater, and we do many things, take trips. And we always say, just think if dick and Mo were here, the fun we'd have, the great trips we'd take, the fun evenings we'd laugh joke around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1633.0,1672.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: They're probably out doing their laughing and joking around and causing trouble somewhere else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1673.0,1680.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: They're reorganizing. Heaven. It's a very good way to put it. A lot of people, when they talked about John McCain's bill, a lot of people did not know. They kept saying, well, the law that's on the books is 22 years old. They didn't know that was Mo's law. Which bill are you referring to? Well, John McCain's campaign finance you know, they and they said, Well, the same limitations are in place, and they've been the same for 22 years before McCain's bill. And they said, It's time for a new campaign finance reform bill. But that legislation that has been in place for 22 years, that was Anderson Udall, that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1681.0,1718.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: right, the Anderson Udall bill, yeah, and not sure people knew that. Oh, that was the Anderson Udall bill. And it were you there? Then, yes, I was and John Anderson came to visit him too much well. And I another guest. I interviewed John Anderson, and, you know, he, he readily admitted that not long after that, it needed to be tweaked some more, and that's continued along the line. But yes, Mo has a legacy in a number of areas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1719.0,1745.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, it's just so interesting. I'll make it. I think I told you, I make a phone call to get, let's say, airplane tickets or something, and it's an 800 number, and they'll ask my name, and they'll say, are you in relation to the Udo, and I'll say, Well, this that was my husband's Oh, my favorite politician. Oh, what a wonderful man. And I say, Well, where are you? Well, I'm in St Petersburg, Florida, or I'm in Iowa somewhere, or whatever, and it's just so amazing. People look at my credit card and they get so excited. I've had people jump over the counter to hug me and shake my hand. Isn't that Marvel? That is marvelous. So in a way, if I could leave you with this thought, and if you can put it in any way you want to, I feel that the legacy, my personal legacy, to me, that Moe left me, is the fact that he. He gave me his name to use judiciously in the right causes and in the right spirit, and to put myself visibly for a cause that would be something that he would support and endorse, something publicly, that he that the name Udall should be connected with, so that, in a way, is furthering his legacy by giving me his name to use to continue it, such as in environmental and or whatever else. And especially in the Parkinson too, I gave the Parkinson people the pin that we know, there's always several pins that Bill Clinton used when he signed the Parkinson's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1746.0,1846.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: bill. Oh, that's nice. That's a nice, nice thing for them to have. I gave","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1847.0,1850.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: them a pin, and I gave them a copy of the bill, and they framed it, and they have it in their lobby. Very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1851.0,1855.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: nice thing for them to have. Yeah, well, I think that's a that's an excellent summing up. So it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1856.0,1859.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: something it's like, I carry that with me. It's a little weapon I have in society that I can use the name Mo Udall, or Mrs. Mo Udall, in a way, to affect good things happening. And I would do that for Mo, not all the time, but I mean, when things, they called me, for example, they wanted me to endorse a juvenile diabetes thing. And I said, Sure, put my name on there, but make sure you say Mrs. Morris. You know that's what I mean, because I want Moe's name to stay out there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1860.0,1895.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, of course. And I think, I think it's, it's doing a pretty good job of staying out there, and that's part of the purpose of these tapes too. Is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1896.0,1905.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, when you come, I want you to visit me. Okay, I'll do that. Does your husband come with you? I.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355#t=1906.0,1908.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146523/file/270355/transcript/78733/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/078/733/original/azu_ms396-058_side1_a.vtt?1745254241","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/078/733/original/azu_ms396-058_side1_a.vtt?1745254241"}]}]}]}