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Good morning. It's Saturday, February 21 2004 and I'm thrilled to be interviewing Ella Udall at her home in Albuquerque, New Mexico. Elma, thank you for participating in this project. Elma, you're officially the Udall family genealogist and historian. How did that come about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=0.0,31.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I, more or less, I've always been the genealogist. I started back in 1952 when I went to London, and my father had all my grandfather's papers because he was writing the book Arizona pioneer Marmot. And so I now have them, and I am very interested in family history as well as other history, and I read everything. And so a lot of people will read a bit here and there, but I've read it all, and I'm fascinated with it. And I probably bore a lot of people by telling them, but yeah, it was not ever official. I just kind of fell into it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=32.0,86.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, Didn't your father make it official in a patriarchs? No, no, no, okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=87.0,95.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: my grandfather gave me a patriarsing and said I would do genealogy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=96.0,99.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, okay, it was your grandfather. Yes, okay, so you've been at it ever since, yes, how far have you been able to trace the family roots, 350 years, really? Who was the first? Who was the first Udall","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=100.0,121.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: period? No, I don't want that. I need some help. Okay, hold up, okay. I was asking just a minute, okay, hold on,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=122.0,129.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: all right. I was just asking who was the furthest removed in your family and when they would have lived and where? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=130.0,138.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the U dolls, u, v, E, D, A, L, E, our u doll, there's lots of different ways to spell it. They start back in the 1300s there's a lot of them back there. It's a very murky period, and gives me a headache to study it. And then you come on down, and the ones that I'm working on, I'm back to 1552, and they all lived in Dorset in western southwest England. That's the period. And the others, the older ones, are, started up north, and then came south, I think. And we're not the only ones. There's lots of udos around in England, but when you're doing genealogy, what you work with is parish registers, which started with Henry the Eighth, when the Okay, so that's about where I'm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=139.0,197.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: at, okay? And there wasn't any record before that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=198.0,200.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I don't, the Catholic Church probably had records in Latin. Some of these originals are in Latin, but I don't, I've never figured out, you know, what happened to all that and so and there's also you, you've got wills and you've got deeds and all this sort of stuff. And genealogy the British along countries, they do it because of the title of the land and all that sort of stuff. And so I've searched everything in that whole area, and I've come up with quite a bit. But unfortunately, there's always missing pieces? Yeah, I'm always looking for the WAFs and strays there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=201.0,243.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: In there was a 14th century playwright named Nicholas. Yes, any chance he was related?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=244.0,250.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No, I see I won't accept any of this until I can actually prove it. So they're all out there. But no, I'm not connected to them. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=251.0,259.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: okay, we go ahead","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=260.0,260.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the one of the fascinating, one of the things about genealogy that fascinates me. You're not just looking for names. They become people after you know so much about them. And you have to study history. You have to study geography. And you meet fascinating people doing the same thing, the vicars and all this sort of thing. And so that's to me, it's part of history. But the mistake here you can make, if you're not careful, is to see the whole thing in 20th century eyes. You have to see the whole picture in their eyes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=261.0,297.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and put it in the comments. Okay of the age","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=298.0,300.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: to get the real picture. And I like crossword puzzles, mysteries and genealogy. And to me, they're all of a piece, because you have to think as you read, you're looking for bits.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=301.0,319.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: What's playing detective research. Research is playing detective. That's why I love research. Yeah, we were talking earlier, you and I about the origin of the name Udall and and I, I thought that was fascinating. If you would add that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=320.0,338.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: well, I can give you at least a dozen or more ways to spell. You'd all believe it or not, and there's lots of different theories. The one I like best is the word feudal F, E, u, d, a, l, means tied to the land. The","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=339.0,359.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: feudal system, people were tied. That would be quite fitting with the Udall family. But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=360.0,364.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the utillers, u, d, a, l, leaving out the few, F, E means free hold. They were not tied to the land. And in to this day, in Scotland and in Scandinavia, the term util, they used to call me Miss util. The term util means freehold,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=365.0,384.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay, well, that brings me to the proper pronunciation of the name. I've heard both Udall and Udall, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=385.0,392.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: you could hear UDL, and you could hear Udall and all that sort of thing. I wouldn't say there's necessarily a proper pronunciation. We call it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=393.0,400.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Udall okay, because I've heard it seems even even in your own family, occasionally I hear the Udall Kansas that isn't related to your family. I wrote to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=401.0,414.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the mayor or whoever in Udall Kansas once, and got the reply back. So when they were settling and farming the town and having a discussion about what to name it, there was a lady who was quite a intellectual scholar, and she recommended Udall after Nichols to play her up. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=415.0,437.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: interesting. Okay, interesting. The real patriarch of the family, I think, is considered David. But I'd like to, I'd like to ask some questions about his father, Jesse, because in the book early pioneer Mormon, David talks about him, but really doesn't say much about him. And I wonder if you know where he was from initially, you know what you know about David's father, Jesse Udall.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=438.0,473.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: We consider David. He's the the immigrant. He brought us to America. So he's the immigrant. I do not do American genealogy. I do English genealogy, and going from David back. And you have to start with Jesse. Jesse's father, John, grew up and lived in Dorset, over here in the southwest part of England, but he wound up at the age of 45 in Kent, and was married and had 10 children. And Jesse is the youngest, and I have a letter, a copy of a letter that at one point, David wrote back to Jesse his father and said, What about genealogy? And Jesse wrote back and said, as to genealogy, I was young. He was the youngest of the children. He was 12 when his father died. So he's saying, I don't really know very much, but he said, as to genealogy, I was young. He said my father came from Dorset near Bridport, and a family back was an s and he had an Esquire relation. Well, why didn't he give me his grandfather's name? But he didn't, and so John has been our big problem. It took 100 years we could not find his baptism, but we thought I hired a man, one of my great friends, and he went down there and searched everything, and he finally solved the problem, and we located and so that this John came over to Kent and lived in goudhurst. Five that's my favorite village. I've been there many, many times. That's where Jesse was born. That's where David was born. And there's a farm there called Hammond farm. It's one of the old Elizabethan farmhouses, and he didn't own it. I'm sure, he just rented it, but he I have his will. He could write his name when he got married on the bands, and he was considered well off when he died, he had, he was a wool sorter that was big business in those days, and he had a much younger wife, but he I in his will. Anyway, he left it to its his old, two oldest sons, and according to it, looked Hammond farm, yes. And they drank it up and lost it. But by David King Udall, the son of David Udall, he went on a mission in 75 to 7718 75 to 77 in England. And he kept a journal. And I've gone through and exited everything about where he was in the family. And he went down while he was there, I can see it now. He went down to this Hammond farm and visited with an old man named Charles Giles. And Charles Giles's mother was a daughter of John and Mary, good child. So the boys drank it up. But the daughter and her husband lived there, and this son of theirs, he was was an old man and telling my grandfather that that's what happened. And my grandfather wrote in the journal that that's what happened. And then the thing that still I'm tracking, he said that John had come from Dorset and that he had been a parish clerk over there. None of this gives you any towns or names or anything like that, and that he had brought a parish register with him. And this is born out in a way because John could write his name. I have his signature. Anyway, not everybody was educated, and he brought this parish register with him, and that Giles, Charles, Giles, sister Jane, had married a man by the name of binge and gone to Australia, taken it with her. Well, I've been to Australia, and it wasn't. It was new then, and I've tracked down all this, but nobody knows nothing anyway. So Jesse, that's where he fits. And by he, I think in will, he got 10 pounds or something like that. But he was not very prosperous, and I think the family was kind of hurting at that point. And this was Jesse, Jesse and so that. But he married a woman who'd already been married before, I guess she was a widow, and he had about eight or 10, some children or something, including David, and I've got all this in genealogy, and so he also very briefly joined the church when David did, oh, but he wrote David letter later and said, I no longer see The Mormons. He said they're extortionists. They wanted tithing 10% and I don't think he had 10% to begin with. So he, he said he'd quit. Now he was a wool gatherer, and John him not, not gather sort. There was a lot of sheep, I guess, in that area then. And so they, they sheared them, and then they sorted them and sold them. But he was a sorter. He must have had, okay. I mean, this is all very, you know, just bits and pieces, you it's pieces of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=474.0,851.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: puzzle, yeah, but Hammond farm was that? Was that a sheep farm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=852.0,856.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No, it's there was a farm hops and everything else. There's still some sheep down there, but it must been, I'm, I mean, I'm putting this together. It must have been some kind of center where they came in and sorted the sheet the wool and got it ready and shipped it out of there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=857.0,872.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Because David talks in his in his journal, about working with his with his father.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=873.0,882.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: He's not John's son, he's Jesse's son, right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=883.0,884.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: right, right, right, but, but he worked at Hammond farm. He did, yeah, he said in there that he would go a couple of times. He went, Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Exactly, he says he spent his youth, his youth Well, him","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=885.0,898.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: when David. And King was there talking to Charles Giles. He said, I was glad to know where you know to come and drink the same water out of the well where my father did he had been. I mean, Jesse certainly didn't run it, because the Giles did. But yes, Jesse would have been there. 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So a lot of, a lot of the buildings for David, I noticed that he was born in a workhouse. Well, Jesse apparently went over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=949.0,963.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Jesse, he it was hard times, not just for him, but a lot of other people too. And I don't there's very little. It just says he went to America once, hoping to find work and do better, but he came back. Well, that's all you know. So we don't know where he went in America or anything. And he probably, anyway, if you space off the children, he probably wouldn't gone very long, but, and so I gather, from what David says, anything, I think that they were all, you know, everybody worked on the land. That's about all there was. And I don't think he, you uh, well, I don't think anybody in that area had much money or anything they got by. He later then went up. David went up to Putney, which is across the Thames River from London. It's now kind of part of Greater London. And he went up there and did a milk walk for his his father's cousin, Gaius. Now, what's a milk walk? Well, there was dairy. I've been I've seen all this. I've been there. There was a dairy there, and you delivered the milk, okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=964.0,1038.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And that was called a milk walk. Was delivering the milk. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=1039.0,1041.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: when I went there in the 50s, they were still using horses and, you know, the carts to deliver the milk all over town. So it's called a milk walk. I He probably had a cart or something with all these milk and went from door to door. And that's how he met Eliza. 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And what we know about David? I mean, it sounds like he worked a number of different things. He worked wherever he could. That was bad economic times in England, wasn't it Sure? Yeah. So are there Utah still in the area?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=1084.0,1103.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yes, but there aren't very many still named Udall. It's like everything else. I mean, I I don't do, I mean, I do English genealogy. I've got a lot of them that I still keep in touch with. I had a party in 1977 in my flat in London, and I called it a Udall round up, and I had about 75 people come. The Embassy had telephone books all over England, and I went through them and found Utah. Not everybody was on the phone, and the ones I could tie into what else I knew. I had people from Southampton, from Staffordshire, from Dorset, from Kent, and they, I called it a Udall Roundup. I said, Come after lunch and stay for tea. And they were all there, and I figured I'd get about 45 or so. And I borrowed cups and sausage from the embassy. And my cousin and her husband from California were there. I planned it so they were helping and some of the others, and so they were all very proper, and would write me a note or call me and say yes for coming and all that. But then some of them kept calling and saying, now this is a very historic occasion. Do you mind if I bring some of my children grandchildren? I said, Sure, and I never added up. But anyway, there they were, and fortunately it was. A Nice Day, and I had a key to the square so we could, so the kids could go out there and ran out of cups and saucers and so buck, one of my Kennedy people, he then had somebody set a cup down. He'd rush off and wash it anyway. It all worked. Everybody had a great time. But I digress from your question. On the Udall side, down in Kent, there's only one or two still named Udall, but there's the connection. And I mean, we know we're cousins. Some of them are my third cousins, I guess, and my David King Udall went on a mission in over there. Then his son, David King Udall Jr, went on a mission in 1912 over there. And he got acquainted with a lot of these relatives. I mean, they were his second cousins, and my Aunt Pearl was over there at that point. And so we've been we kept in contact with this certain group. And so I had something to build on when I went there. My sister was a pen pal to one of them over a while, Eloise, no my older sister, I miss. And during the war, my mother sent care packages to them, and I met one of the old aunts, and she had this very warm man's overcoat she was wearing. She said, I got fat from your mother. And she it was my father's overcoat. 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They're the children of the ones I knew now that died. I know, but yes, we're still in touch. Oh, that's wonderful. And anyway I go, I can digress and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=1322.0,1338.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: tell you more than you want to know. Oh, not I want to know it all. Did your great grandmother, Eliza king, was she was born in 1826, to a William and Anne Anderson King, do you know anything about her parents or her family? 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And where was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=1377.0,1394.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Was it the Waltham parish in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=1395.0,1396.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: st Berkshire, and there's two villages together, and I've been to the church, all that sort of thing. And in fact, I went out one time, and there was a lady living there who was doing the kind of the village history. And my grandfather, David King, when he was there, he'd gone out to this village to see it's to see his mother's people, and he wrote about it in his journal. That's how I knew about it. So I went out there, and, oh, I had a great time with him. And she had come to London to work, and that's where they met, and they then joined the church. He joined first, and then she joined later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=1397.0,1440.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Do you know how they met? I mean, they met, I told you when he was on the milk. Well, that's right, that's right. Okay. 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Oh, dear. And then they came to New Orleans and they went up the river to St Louis and Ellie's has been there. I haven't but this is some big smokestack out of brick. I don't know whether they were doing coal or what they were doing with this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=1505.0,1529.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: smokestack in New Orleans,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=1530.0,1531.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: in St Louis. Oh, St Louis. She said it's still in and he worked there for a year to get enough money for a wagon and all this sort of stuff. And David King Udall was born there. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=1532.0,1543.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so he was born in Kansas City. No, St Louis. I'm sorry. I keep saying sorry, St Louis. Okay, and there was, was there a pretty good sized Mormon community there? 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Do you happen to know I'm glad to hear you say that it was one of the last of the sailing ships, because that was sort of my impression, but I wasn't sure it's, it's, it's, it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=1591.0,1606.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: never registered. Too much, yeah. And then, to finish with them, they lived there for about a year, and then they went see they came in 1850, 51 i One. David King was born in September, 51 and then they stayed there. And I think they left the next spring, in April, and it took them over a month. I can see it now. They went with a small group, with their wagons and their food, and it having been in gowturst in Kent, where everything's nice and manicured and Purdy and green and everything, I can see it now through his eyes, their eyes, leaving St Louis to go 1000 miles, and they plod along every day. That was with luck they could do maybe 30 miles a day. And he tells a little in his journal about it. But here they are, these people from England, and here's the Buffalo and the grass and the plains, and it gets drier and dryer, it's drier, and they have to find water. Sometimes they have a dry camp, and sometimes they followed the river, you know, the pass, and they go along. And one time, I think they didn't seem to see too many Indians. He doesn't mention that too much, but one time, they were crossing the river, and it was pretty scary, and I think he had a little trouble there. But then they go on. 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I mean, no, it's got to have been a hard life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=1724.0,1729.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No, no, I think that the face meant a lot to him. He was with a lot of people feeling the same way, and I think it was an experience, and it was a chance to do better. And they by then, they there were so many of these immigrants pouring into the Salt Lake Valley, and they were starting to farm out. And he was his group. They were sent to Nephi, Utah, which is about 60 miles south of Utah, I mean, south of Salt Lake. And that's where he said, This sits, suits me just fine. There was a mountain there, and there was a river and farming. And he said he liked it very much. And my brother in law says that all these immigrants born in Salt Lake Valley that there was a sign with an arrow that said, go south, and all those that could read went south, and that's how we got to Arizona. Really. No, that's a joke. Anyway, I know I'll feel. Me with Nevis. I'll make it fast. No. So they lived, they lived there in Nephi, and I've been to the house where they had and I've been to their graves, and house still exist. Well, see, all those houses exist, but they've been redone. Nothing is the same old house. But yes, and so they she had several I've never counted the miscarriages, but she had four children, and then I think she had in the miscarriage, I don't how many. 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Oh, dear, do we have to go into that when he went to prison, he came down. Oh, I didn't realize that a second time. And it's all aunt Pauline. I mean, Aunt Ida, it's all written up in her journal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=2187.0,2202.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, okay, let's see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=2203.0,2212.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I noticed that that David mentions that he never had a paying job. And, and when you read by paying, what do you mean? Well, he just said he never had a paying job. 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We just all carried on the Civil War.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=2554.0,2560.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Did that affect them at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342#t=2561.0,2563.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270342/transcript/78719/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: The whole west? 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And we spoke some about that. You were about 20 years old. I think when he passed away. What are some of your memories of your grandfather? What was he like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1.0,27.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: He was a tall man, very thin, almost. Men were thin because they worked so hard, but, I mean, it wasn't scary thin, but he was tall and thin and straight, and he had quite a presence about him. He was not that whole generation. He didn't take you on his knee and say how wonderful things were. And, you know, talk to we never on one on one. You never talked to him too much, although I think I did ride with him a time or two and but he was like my father. He was very solid, very respected, and you were proud to belong to Him. But as far as little family stories or anything like that, I don't remember I was I was there when he died. I wondered about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=28.0,80.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the just the depression, but did he? Did he ever talk to you about his childhood","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=81.0,86.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: or no memories are going and if I were in if I were in charge ever, it's, I think it's too bad children don't have more curiosity. Maybe it's because they don't know enough to ask questions while you still have your grandparents, rather than you know you wish you'd ask them you. But the person that I really would like to have heard tell her story, and we never did, was his wife, who went through the fire in Kanab, right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=87.0,120.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: right right now you would have known her too. Oh, yes, my microphone. What were your impressions of her when you were growing up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=121.0,129.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, she was a sweet, lovely lady, and she always, you always felt very welcome when you went into the big house. And you know, you felt at home and could do whatever you wanted. And she loved all of us. She those people another reason, they were very busy keeping things going. They didn't have lots of time to sit down and chat. But we've talked about it some of my cousins, I think there was this kind of a certain sadness about her. See, she was 15. You've heard the story the Kanab fire I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=130.0,163.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: have, but I'd love a refresher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=164.0,169.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, she was the daughter of Levi Stewart, for whom my father's named, and he was another pioneer who settled in Kanab. He was the bishop down there. And all of these people going to Arizona, all of my great, great grandparents knew each other, and he was had, he was going good into the Salt Lake area. Had land and stuff, but then Brigham said there's trouble down in Kanab, so you go down and take charge. And so they, she kept her Ella kept her letters. And when he when Brigham Young sent Levi Stewart to Kanab, he said the Western Union was coming through from California, going east, and it was coming through there. And he said, Leave one of your daughters at pipe springs to learn telegraphy. Oh, so Ella was 15, so she went to pipe spring, and there's a little monument there to her. And the first letter she kept was from her father over in Kanab, saying, hope you're doing well with your studies. I'll try and get over and bring you home for a visit. And he said, Kanab ain't out of grub yet, which I thought says quite a lot. But anyway, there was an old rock fort there, and the Stuarts were living in part of it. And there was supposed to be a watchman, and he either went to sleep or wasn't paying attention. Anyway, there was a corner room where the little boy slept, and there was some I guess it was kerosene, petrol in there, because they did have lamps and stuff like that. It wasn't for heat, but it was anyway. So about mid was December, and about midnight, something happened, and the there was fine, this stuff. Caught on fire,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=170.0,301.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: everyone's nightmare. 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He and Ella was right behind her, and her husband reached and tried to pull her back. He got her shawl, and he got Ella, but Martha went on in, and then there was a big explosion. And so there's a tombstone in cannab they put up a new one now, but the old one haunted me. Here's Marjorie Stewart, why they'll be by Stewart. And then here's these five boys, and at the bottom it said, ravished by fire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=328.0,376.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, you say that's been replaced. 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Nobody could cry, nobody could talk. Don't you know it was December. I could just see it. And he finally stood up and he said, Well, we have to go on. But I'm sure that left its mark on Ella. Oh, it has to at age 50, she still had an older brother, and she had two sisters that the little ones were all gone, and she well, actually polygamy. He had another two wives, and two, three of those boys were Marjorie's, and two were her sisters. But anyway, so then, you know, she came to Arizona, but we us girls talking later that she she was a wonderful woman, and she had, you know, helped argue with the church. She did all sorts of jobs and things like that, and entertained them, brethren from Salt Lake when they came and everything. 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Well, I'm sorry, okay, no,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=479.0,482.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: no, that's, that's I had, I did know that and had forgotten. And I'm really glad to have the whole story. When, when, when David King was about 19 years old. I think it would have been about 1870 his father, David was called off to a mission in Kanab, and David King was put in charge of the farm. Was that the way it usually went if someone was if a father was called to a mission that the son the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=483.0,518.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: family coped. 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And that's what they used for the marriages and baptisms and all that sort of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=566.0,576.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: stuff that had been this. It wouldn't have been the same place. David, because it was okay, okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=577.0,584.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the temple wasn't finished till 1890 or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=585.0,589.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did, did Nephi Nephi, Nephi, Nephi Nephi. 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Oh, I'm sorry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=742.0,744.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now, she was a teacher, wasn't she also a book, a book?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=745.0,747.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, you did whatever there was to be done. So she, I mean, she didn't, she wasn't, don't get the idea that you had nice little schools there in Kanab. I mean, everybody, they the church ran everything. I mean, the schools were, you know, the church schools, the, I mean, it was a wild territory. 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When he, when he returned, he wrote that he just very briefly on the way home that he he met Brigham Young and his son was introduced to them, but he doesn't really say anything more did. Did he ever tell anybody any impression that made on him or No, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=858.0,880.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: think that see the leaders, that the 12 Apostles, Brigham, young and all that they traveled around a lot, everybody knew them. It wasn't somebody that was on a pedestal, and you never got to see it was all there. And you'd go to conference and the lead. Would be there. They did that twice a year. 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And then when all these people, for twice a year, these, one of these men from Salt Lake, would come and visit the whole area, and when they came to St John's, they stayed with Ella and David King. Now, why did they stay? Because he was the head","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=918.0,934.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: man. Okay, when David King returned from his mission in about 1878 he returned to Kanab, yeah, and bought land and built a log cabin and cleared the land and planted crops and built the dam.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=935.0,951.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No, no, no, that wasn't in Kanab. That dam bit was in Nephi. 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It was too I mean, they were moving into Idaho, they were going into Nevada, they were going down into Arizona, and they needed leaders. They needed leaders. And I guess these return missionaries were pretty good leaders. And they also need the young people. I think he was 29 and they you had these high men in the church who kind of went out and scouted out a lot of these areas to decide, you know, where to send people, which areas had the the water and the this and that and the other and, I mean, there's the argument, there was the Rest of snow, and somebody else who'd been down into Arizona at different times, and one was in a nice wet period where the grass was up to the stirrups, and the other one was there a few years later when it was dry and everything. And so they went back and made the report, and they opted for the bright future one, but then, then sent us all down here. But it was as we know, you had more drought than you did,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1204.0,1289.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and St John's is is even now known for some vicious winters. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1290.0,1295.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: not any worse than around there. Springer bill gets worse. They're higher. They get more. Oh, do they? Yeah, we have, we have a lot of winds. We all do on the Colorado Plateau, like right here. That's why we like Albuquerque. It's exactly the same altitude, latitude, St John's, us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1296.0,1310.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, is it I never thought about that? Is so is that the reason they picked St John's is because they thought it was just very wet. And,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1311.0,1322.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: well, no, I mean, no, no, they had, they'd already had settlements at snowflake. There was one near Winslow. What was that called? And St John's. They were all over. And so, I mean, that's our sort of St John's story is that the, I mean, that they were looking around in this whole area, and this was a good place. See, you had to have water. St John's is on the Little Colorado. You can't just put a town without water. That's so that had a lot to do with it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1323.0,1361.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and when he when he arrived there, it was called San Juan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1362.0,1368.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I hadn't quite realized that Stuart's written a lot, but St John's is one of the few places where the church sent people to settle where they were already people there. And so the story of St John's is that Saul Barth, anyway, the they were growing grain here in New Mexico, and you and they were, they were taking it over to the military posts in Fort Apache. Now,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1369.0,1412.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: when you say they were, you speaking Mormon, or, you know, Solomon Barth,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1413.0,1416.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, yeah, uh huh. And so they salmon bar. And he came out, and, you know, had wagons, and he was freighting around, and they would take this grain all the way to to the Indian reservations for the horses and all that. So he decided, here was the he'd go through St John's here was this place with water and grass. And he started. He settled the people there. He brought them from New Mexico over there, and they were already settled there on one side of the river. This is a stream, actually. And so they were and then the marmons Come in. And the Mormons may have been there originally earlier, I don't know, but they had decided that that was a good place. 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No. I think they were basically Mexicans, okay, okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1472.0,1501.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and that's what we call them. That's what they call themselves. And so they had their Catholic church, they had their Spanish language. They were kind they were a very small kind of community. And but it was San Juan, yes. And then the Mormons bought land from them, from Sol Barth, and bought land on the other side of the river. And that's another interesting story. My grandfather, they didn't all come in a big bunch to St John's. Some of them are already there when he came down and but they had bought this land, and they were going to pay for it with 700 head of cattle. So after he hadn't been there very long, he got there in September, and I think this was December, January, they had to get ready to pay so he took he had to go back to Kanab. The church had a big herd out on the COVID. And that's one of the lovely letters that I've got. He had to go up there. And he writes to my grandmother in January, I can see it now. He's in Kanab, and he says, the boys here have helped me round up the cattle, and we're ready to go in the morning. And he said, I hope to see you in a month. And he said, have brother so and so, bring some in and meet he said, the boys here will help me across the river, but have brother so and so to come and help me on in. He had a couple of people with him. Dad said. Dad used to say that that was their favorite story. The kids, they sit around the fire and in the winter at home and grandpa would tell them about this trip. And anyway, so he says to Ella, he says, Have tell brother Shelton, so to meet me and help me on in. And then he says, there's a big storm coming. It's terribly cold, but we're starting in the morning. The River froze and they got across one of the few times amazing. And I think, well, he tells all of this in the book. He tells it better than I do. They didn't actually have to have 700 head cattle. They'd already paid up on some that they'd taken down originally, but they had to anyway. They brought all these so anyway, that was the settlement of St John's, and it says so he was a cowboy in addition to everything. Well, you were, in those days, you didn't have this or that. You were everything. 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How would he have known how to start a town?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1673.0,1693.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Because the whole church, this is, this was everywhere they went. This was the pattern. Everybody knew. Okay, it's up to you. They'd lived in other towns. They knew what was needed. You marked it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1694.0,1704.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: all. They have a little manual that says this is how to start a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1705.0,1708.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: town. Some of these men had probably settled several of them by then. I mean, as you went along, you settled something, then you moved on. But, I mean, it wasn't just him snowflake. All these other towns around there were more or less so, but if you've got a group of people and you're going to live here, then you've got to organize. It makes sense. I think they use their sales as to what they would need. 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No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1748.0,1749.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: we had, we had good schools,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1750.0,1753.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: good teams. It, it's really evident that that, and I hadn't realized that the degree to which education was a really high priority, yes. Of the church, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1754.0,1764.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Excuse me, this place was called, see, this was all territory, you know, New Mexico, Arizona Territory, but it was called San Juan, naturally. But when later they got around, and I don't know exactly when it was to have a post office. The territorial government euphemized, I mean, made it into St John's, not apostrophe, but St John's,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1765.0,1793.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: oh, okay, so that was so it had the apostrophe s. So. Till the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1794.0,1799.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, no, it was San Juan. It wasn't St John Oh, I see, I see, they turned from San Juan to St John's when they got the post office. Yes, when it became a recognized. No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1800.0,1810.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: town, town, okay, Lorenzo Hubble was lived in the town I get, I go. He didn't live in, well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1811.0,1820.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: he may have lived there, but he see the Hubble's came from here. There's a lot about the Hubble his father. Oh yeah, there's the Hubble house. I think he was more in ganado in that area, but he may have lived in St John's at the time, but he was a big man in the county. And, you know, they had their own county organization, and they being the Hispanic Mexicans, okay, yeah, and so that he and my grandfather, they didn't like each other much. I mean, they were, well, seem to be rivals. Well, they had to, they had to hear these two towns, and they had the kind of male part of it. Each one lived their own lives, but you still had them mailed the organization and the county and all that sort of thing. And, well, there's a letter in the book. I mean, they wrote grandpa and said, Get out. You know, we don't want you here. But anyway, it was a very tense and he was one of the head men here, yes, but in the end, I remember distinctly, must have been in the 30s, David King coming down to see my father early in the morning, and said something about I understand that Mr. Hubble is dying. I want to go see him. Dad took him out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1821.0,1906.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, they ended up being close friends, didn't they? Yes, and did that? Did the family connections of the Hubble's and the Udalls continue after that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1907.0,1917.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, it was never a family thing. You know East is East and West. And I don't remember any to do it, though. I mean, I'm, I know the, you know, the trading post at ganado, and see they were basically trading with the Indians. There was no reason for them to be have be in business as a job.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1918.0,1936.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: It sounds to me like the two men just really respected each other, yes, yes, they did okay. In one way, the Mormon settlers were very unlike other settlers in that some of them, including your grandfather, engaged in plural marriages in in 1882 David King married Ida Hunt, who I believe had been a bookkeeper with one of his","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=1937.0,1969.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: there was yes. Go ahead. Go ahead. Okay. 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But anyway, and in order to be to take a plural wife, you had to have the consent of your first wife, you had to be good standing in the church. You had to be able to support them","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=2002.0,2059.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and so on. So it wasn't something one entered into lightly No, or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=2060.0,2064.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: that you, you know, got in and out. It was a yes. And the reason it worked one of the many they all believed in it, that this was, you know, this was part of the hereafter. You were going to have lots of wives and children and, you know, move on. 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So many of these immigrants, there were lots of women. And as we all know, in those days, a woman on her own trying to make it was pretty rough. You were better off to be part of one man's family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=2098.0,2112.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: How is it that so single women actually came across the Mormon trail and settled Well, they'd","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=2113.0,2118.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: come with groups like Becky. I mean, she her folks. If your folks didn't join the church, and you wanted to, you would come, but there would be other Mormons around. You would you would come. You would come with them. So I think that from the Women's standpoint, it was an advantage to be a second or third wife of a man, you could have your own children, you could have a place in the community, and this and that and the other and so that's, I mean, it was a combination of a lot of these things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=2119.0,2151.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Was there also a practical side in that. I noticed that that after six years of marriage or so, Ella had had only had one child that lived, who was, which was a girl. Was it an advantage of having more children sometimes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=2152.0,2171.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: well, like all of a sudden, to the west, the more children you had. That was your workforce. Exactly. Yeah. 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Ella and Ida had both come from polygamous families, and in you know, you the idea, well, everybody's equal, and you can each one of you on one side of your husband, you walk the church together and all that sort of stuff. Well, it wasn't that simple. But anyway, to make it work, everybody had to work at it. It was not easy. And what some of the people in St John's, I guess they've all died by now. But the one thing that a lot of people in St John's said they could never keep straight there's whose children were, who's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=2183.0,2231.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I would imagine that would be difficult. 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They all knew that you live with your mother as a child, but as you're growing up, then you become brought up as brother and sister. Yeah, you become part of everything. And aunt Pauline, in her book, she gives a better insight into their growing up than I've ever had. Oh, she","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=2235.0,2294.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: does. Oh yeah, I haven't, I haven't read and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=2295.0,2299.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but anyway, yes, so he Ida comes over. She's living in her family's in South Lake. She comes over to St John's, and this is they had little z c m, I Z C M, I Zions mercantile, and that was the store, and it was kind of a church or a own thing, but each little town had one and and she came over to be the bookkeeper there and so. And I think she lived in them, but anyway, because they had an extra room, and so anyway they he decides to marry her. He gets Ella's permission, and but in order to marry her in the temple, they've got to get in the wagon and all of them and go to St George, that's the closest place. So then they're gone about a month up there. But then Ella gets to go on over to Kanab and see her family, which she hasn't seen since she left, and Aunt Pearl was the was the only child. She went with him, and grandma was pregnant, I think. But anyway, so then they marry Ida and come back, but see they're looking for polygamous. Then it's against the rule. And but to to arrest anybody, you got to prove that there's a second wife. You got us, you know, you got, she's got to be there. And so they would. They were hunting pretty much. They were going to stamp this thing out. And. And well, the grandpa tells it. They all tell it better than the book than I do. But anyway, they were after him for polygamy, but Ida left, and she went to Salt Lake, and so you couldn't, you could, and she didn't have any children or anything. 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And I when I got my father's, I mean, when I came home, and here was all these papers that my father had left that were my grandfather's, and amongst it was this little rolled up batch, and while he would get letters while he was in prison, but I guess he didn't have any paper and anything, but he kind of kept a journal on the backs of these envelopes. Oh, and they were rolled up. I'd put it under big stacks books and everything, to finally get them under old and read them. But Roger told me he'd finally gotten them all straightened out. Good. But anyway, it was a travesty of justice to get him on try to get him on this perjury thing. And so he was only there for four months, and there was a lot of people trying to straighten the thing out. 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I'm sure it did on the whole family,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=2538.0,2542.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and it was terrible for Ella.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=2543.0,2547.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Ella seemed to be somewhat hesitant about the plural marriage anyway. 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Everybody gets the same haircut.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=2595.0,2603.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: There you are. And that was the story that I know has been told often about Barry Goldwater's grandfather. That was a previous hearing, wasn't it, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=2604.0,2615.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it was this trial in Prescott. And I hate to blow the myth, but Morris called me one day and said, Go back through all these papers, records and everything, and see what you can find. And there is no record that he was one of the signers of the of the bail bond, yeah. And he they, he was there. There's no doubt about that. He was big man in Prescott. That was the capital, not fiends, and that's why the trial was there. And so there is no evidence to that thing. But everybody likes the story. 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But Did your father, Levi, ever speak of polygamy? No, okay, once it was gone, it was gone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343#t=2670.0,2686.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270343/transcript/78720/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No, it was always with you. I mean the children, you're still here. I mean the effects of it, you're still here. My father was one of the younger ones. He didn't get involved and love this. Beginning, and you know, he was, you were all very happy. It wasn't a big everybody had their own family life, and this was theirs, and he loved them, and they all loved him. And so I don't think there was any, I'm sure that, yes, there was undercurrents, here and there and all that sort of thing. 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Do you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=0.0,28.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yes, snowflake Jesse Smith. I guess his name was, he was the St John's was in snowflake steak. And Jesse Ann Smith was the president of the stake, and then they broke it down and St John's became a stake. St John's included eager Nutri also Alpine Luna and uh, blue water and Rhema, and it was Vernon. Anyway. Little Concha was in Mexican town that was their area. And then snowflake had Holbrook and all that area over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=29.0,80.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So you had some that stake, had some of New Mexico. And was the Mexican colony also part of no no, okay, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=81.0,90.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: There were Marmon settlements in Rhema and blue water,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=91.0,97.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: so it incorporated them,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=98.0,100.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: okay? I mean, it had to be a Mormon settlement to be part of the state,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=101.0,104.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: right? Did? What was the significance of being President of the State? I would assume that would be fairly prestigious, or well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=105.0,112.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it was. I mean, you were the head man of the number one man. You had two counselors, and you had a council called the High Priest Council. They don't meet and, you know, advisors, they it was kind of a miniature the state was, especially in the early days when it was all Marmon was kind of a miniature County. I mean, there wasn't much. State territorial activity around and so whatever came up by the you know, the community and the church kind of handled it once you got to be Arizona, got to be a territory and all that. Then you had your county officers and stuff. But in the beginning, these Mormon communities that were way out from nowhere, it was the community was old, and so they directed. They would go to each ward, each little town, and you had leaders there, you had bishops, you had activities, you had people in charge of the young people's activities, the women's activities. You had all these people that had to be called and replaced if necessary, if anything happened. And so you were kind of responsible. They had quarterly conference. You'd go four times a year to each place, and you'd visit with everybody, and they were all small enough so that you knew everybody. But that involved a lot of travel. It did by horse and buggy, and it made it I mean, David King, He never complained. I mean, this was what the Lord wanted him to do. So therefore he was going to do it. But that and making a living, you know, kind of cut into each other and see we have no paid ministry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=113.0,236.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, that's what I wondered, Is he wasn't paid. How about his travel expenses? 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Because that, I mean that could, that could, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=248.0,251.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: see he, they would, my father, be doing the same thing. They would arrange it around weekends, of course, if you had to go by horse and buggy, that was, you were gone for a whole week here and there, but later on, I mean, you could drive Dad, could drive all over to these places on a Saturday morning, and be there to have meetings on Saturday and Sunday, and then come back Sunday night, so you weren't away from your regular job or anything like that when you got to have cars. 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But then you see, you always stayed in with the people. There weren't any hotels or any of that stuff. I mean you. 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Is all very friendly thing and, and I think there weren't you know that there wasn't too much contention. I remember my father saying once that and see they would the advisors and the bishop and everything, if there needed to be a change in some of the jobs, why they discuss it? Who would be the best? But then they would put it up to a vote of the congregation, and some, I don't know whether it was one of the places in Mexico somewhere, why the powers that be decided who was going to be the next bishop, and they put it up and vote, and the people said, No, oh, so they got somebody else. 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You know, there's a women's group. My mother worked with Indian women, a lot, you'd have a lesson, really society. They'd meet once a week, they'd have a lesson. And then they quilted, you know, they had activities, they made all sorts things. And they were in charge of, you know, if there were burials and stuff like that. A lot of this and the social work. You know, families needed. You'd go around and visit everybody. And so the men were more the government well, and they take care of the men's activities that the women worked under the leader the men leadership. 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Levi was born there. Wasn't he? No, oh, he wasn't okay. He was born in St John's. In St John's, okay. 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But then there's still the reservoir, the Lyman reservoir, and the dam, and Mary, my cousin in Phoenix, who's a little older than I am. Anyway, she pointed out I hadn't thought of it, but in the spring of 1915 Mary was born, Ruth Udall Nick's mother died, Aunt Ida died, and the dam went out. Wow, that's the one time the dam went out, which caused havoc. It All. It was at night. There was people lived down. There a few people around, I think. But I can just see with that community,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=665.0,709.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: big year, yeah, very big year. 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Then he when he left mill farm, he went into the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=742.0,745.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well, and probably at the same time he was doing all of it, I don't know, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=746.0,748.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And I guess the following year, in 1899 the mill farm was foreclosed on, and I gather that was a really hard time in your grandfather's life, yeah, and probably for the whole family. Did t ever talk about you just move on. Yeah, didn't talk about things. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=749.0,767.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: he probably did, but certainly not to me. Yeah, I was the blue is, yeah. Well, they've got to have been stoic people. Well, I don't, I think, in a way, they didn't have any choice. I mean, this is what happens? 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I mean, there you are, well, and you're on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=851.0,854.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: the stake unit when he's, you know, traveling around constantly, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=855.0,858.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: But see, they not only had to build the dam, they had then take build canals all the down to the farms. That's how they got the water down to the farms. We got the water for the town out of the Colorado River, but for the farming area, you had to dig canals to get the water to the farms.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=859.0,878.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I don't know when they had time to farm and do the thing they needed with all the building, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=879.0,884.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: when you're sent out there, and you know, if you're going to survive, why you all pitch in and you weren't night and day and you did what needed to be done, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=885.0,893.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: that was certainly the Mormon pioneer way. 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I mean, if you anybody that had an accident or something like that, she'd, she'd help them in her own family, which was pretty good size, but the church also trained midwives, sister, Sherwood. What was she? A midwife? No, but my cousin's grandmother, grandmother, on the other side, she was a widow, widow. And I think that, I think they he, they had a different time. Some of the women go up to Salt Lake and train. So we didn't always have a doctor, but every town, of course, by then, the women were all experienced and could take care of each other anyway. But anyway, it was important, and I think that their record was pretty good. They didn't lose Ella had nine pregnancies and raised five children. 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You know, how you did you go to college and school and everything, and you have a yearbook? Well, the legislature kind of had a yearbook. Oh, really. And here was a little bit about each one with their picture and they signed their name. They autographed. He had his, you know, his copy, and loved these. I bet those are rare. And anyway, it's quite interesting. 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He had a brother. He was Barry's grandfather. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=1287.0,1296.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Were he and and David King friends or Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=1297.0,1299.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: they probably knew each other. But, I mean, I don't know how it sounded like all these legislature. I'm you know if you're going to spend 30 or 60 days with each other, you all get acquainted and stuff, but there was never any contact as far, no, I know between. I mean, after all, St John's is 220 miles from Phoenix, right, and from Braska too. So there was no way you crossed paths, as very many people. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=1300.0,1327.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you had mentioned before too, that that, I mean when he's out on, out on the road, I want to say, but traveling around as stake president, and then he's also traveling in the legislature, you mentioned how his his wives really did. 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You have to that's a whole other story, and he tells about it. What did I do with that? I found a wonderful thing. Grandpa had a contract with the government for years and years. And the train would come into Winslow, I mean, to Hobart. And the mail, of course, was delivered there. And then they had a buck board. There's a picture in the book. And so the older boys, grandpa's older boys, who were 21 or thereabouts, they would pick up the mail and take it to St John's. Well, it was 60 miles. You took them, you know, they could make about 30 miles a day. And Hunt was the halfway point, and that's where Ida lived. 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I mean, it wasn't very often, but that's which and then the boys would sort of change, you know, the younger boys then would take it on to St John's, and the older boys then would go back to Brick. And that's the way it was. And that was his one cash crop. So it was a big thing. And every year he'd have to, every so often he'd have to bid on it. Was a family business, it sounds certainly was. How was the mail delivered five days a week. Or six days a week or, well, not it doesn't it was probably six, but we grew up, he was still doing the same thing when we grew up, the mail the newspaper from Phoenix, the Republic would come on overnight train to Holbrook. We read the Sunday funnies on Monday, we were always a day behind for the newspaper. We didn't know there didn't make any difference to us, but letters were very important to them, and as you know, you can tell that from the ones that grandma saved and everything. But they and I think they had packages, you know, a regular mail service. And then I think it would go on to eager see those people up there. They probably read the funnies on Tuesday, I don't know. And of course, by the time we came along, they were doing it with trucks. Grandpa no longer had the contract. But in the early days, it was by Bucha","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=1465.0,1569.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: or so he had that contract for a number of years. Yes, he did. 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I did, maybe junior college,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=1677.0,1689.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: not in those days. It is now, but it certainly wasn't then. It was, it was called the academy. It was a church High School. And when, Arizona became a state, they took these schools. They were they were no longer just Mormon schools. 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But anyway, they'd always wanted the house, and it was, Oh, very nice, but I don't think they ever got the mortgage paid off. I think when grandpa died, they still owed on it and but it eventually see David King went to Mesa for, I think he was there for five years, being or seven, being president of the mesa temple. So it would be rented out in that time. But it was often used also as kind of a they kind of cut it up into some apartments in the school, teachers and people. Like that would live in it okay, and and that would help pay the mortgage? Oh, sure. And then event, then, when grandpa died, then up over in, Aunt Dora bought it and took it over, and she turned it into a hotel. And she even got triple A approval. 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But in 1993 now, Keith wrote this enclosed find a copy of the contents found in the time vault opened the 24th of July, 1993 which was taken from the north east pillar of David King and Udall family home film. It was a happy day with approximately 150 dependents, descendants of David King and Ella and Ida present. Thank each one that sent things to go in the replacement capsule. Which we did, we put new things in there, which was sealed into the same pillar. October 1993 we appreciate your love and your care, and so glad we were. We belong to the same family tree, and then he lists the thing. And I need a speech, apparently, and but one of the things here, I guess, dad was the had something to do with the finances. Anyway, this is the check to the contract every building. 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They put in a newspaper. And anyway, Keith and Gwen have had all these items, and they have them kind of on display upstairs. And the last time I was over there, I said, I talked to her before I said, Gwen, the place where this stuff is really down at university. And she agreed. And I said, the next time I can do it, I'll come over and get them and take them down there. And she said, Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344#t=2035.0,2078.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270344/transcript/78721/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so that's great. You have your own family time capsule. 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They celebrated 100 years the Treaty and the family all came, and they danced around and had a good time. 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You didn't have any other kind of generators. I mean, he was using water because that's all we had, maybe before our rea somebody else took it over and did bring in generators. I don't know I was never cared much about that, but I know that we always kept lamps, kerosene lamps, and there was a lantern of some kind we had. 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What was the reaction of him, his wife, the family, to him, moving so far away and at that age and all Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=0.0,24.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: this was in the 30s. So now, I mean in the 20s, and by then you had, you know, it was not all that uncommon. We weren't as isolated in the 20s. I can remember some of that as we had been, or, you know, they came from, just started nothing, and here, here they are. I think he even had a car by then, I'm not sure. And he was his farming days, and all that were over, and he'd been a, you know, the president of the stake all those years, and he was kind of in a lull anyway, as far as church jobs were concerned. And I think that the family was really very happy. It was quite an honor. See, at that point, I think it was the seventh temple of the church. There were some in Utah, one in Canada and all. But to be chosen","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=25.0,85.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: was, How long had the temple been in Mesa? It hadn't they were building it. So he was the first. 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The house where they lived was just a block or two from the temple, you know, and they had friends from all over would come, and it was a lovely time, a great way to kind of, you know, end their career, not exactly that way, but I mean, their life, it was kind of the culmination","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=115.0,138.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I would imagine retirement would be pretty hard on someone like Kim, who'd worked so hard all his life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=139.0,143.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well it was, and yet you've definitely slowed up and so on. But he was kind of lost for a while. You know, he'd still go out to the farm and things like that, and he had family around. He'd go, not too many in the St John's at that point, but he'd go around and visit them. They'd come and visit him. And he was, you know, part of the community very much. So no, I think, I think everybody was very pleased he had us. He had a son. Uncle H was living down there then, and, you know, the family had spread out, so it wasn't as though he was going into","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=144.0,188.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: into isolation, like, like would have been years earlier. That's right, skipping ahead to Levi unless is it. Is there anything about David King, that we missed, that you can think of. 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Oh, okay, it should have been named Lee's Ferry, but it wasn't anyway. And so that was a big thing in, you know, Arizona, to be able to get on the other side of the Grand Canyon and see the pioneers and all. It had to come down to Arizona through Lee's Ferry. That was the only way to get across the river. So anyway, it was great occasion. And dad took David King and his wife up. They wanted definitely, this was a historic occasion. They had come down in wagons through all this, and now he was going to this bridge, and for the first time, these Nevada, her brother, who was married to his sister, and had gone to Nevada in 1800 the same. I mean, 1880 they were coming. The four people were getting to see each other. Wow. See in Nevada they were in Alamo, which was off the beaten track, and we were in St John's, which is off the beaten track. And there was very little community. Well, they wrote all the time, but, I mean, there was very little, you know, socializing between the two. 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And so it was quite a reunion. Was it your father who was dedicating it? Oh, no, it's the state of Arizona. I mean, it was, there's big write ups about the whole thing. In fact, that book over there, beloved gave me for Christmas about Lee's Ferry. It tells all about the dedication. Oh, okay, the governor, the four governors were there. You know, it was a whole great big deal. But I just think it's rather poignant and rather nice that these two couples got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=301.0,333.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: to see each other celebrate. 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And this is, this is where I, I think I had had it wrong. I have that your father graduated from Gila Academy in Thatcher 1910,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=345.0,367.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: or 11. That thing I gave you spelled it all out. 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He went to University of Arizona for a year and studied agriculture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=381.0,391.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Why did he do that? Did he plan to be a farmer? Yeah, that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=392.0,394.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: all there was. And besides, he got his scholarship for Sears Roebuck for $25 or something like that. And so he went down there for a year, okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=395.0,404.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And that, that was after Gila Academy, yeah, and that's where, that's where he met your mother, Louise Lee, and then he went to the U of A for a year. Well, let me back up a little bit Louise Lee's family in in your mother's family, was she? She was from Thatcher.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=405.0,430.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: She was born in Luna, New Mexico. My mother, Louise Lee, is the granddaughter of Jacob Hamlin and John Deely, who","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=431.0,442.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: were not friends, okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=443.0,449.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: John dealies, son married Jacob Hamlin, his daughter, okay? And the Dave Lee, my grandfather, he came to Arizona and into New Mexico with another man, and they and raised cattle. He was working with this other man into an out into Luna in New Mexico. And anyway, Jacob Hamlin was living in Alpine and so it's a long story. But anyway, they were married there, and there was getting to be a drought up there, and he had a big family, and they needed more education. I mean, you just barely had a little grade school in out, you know, in Luna. And so he decided that the time had come. And so he moved his family. My mother was seven, and they moved to Thatcher, which was, had the high school, which had, this was in 98 mother was seven, oh no, is 1900 she was born in 1903 it was in 1900 and so they, and she can remember a little bit about they went over the blue and down into New Mexico and all that sort of stuff. Her mother drove, drove the buddy, and they settled there, and it wasn't good for cattle, but he farmed, raised cotton, and had sheep and stuff like that. So she grew up in Thatcher, and she went to high school. She went through the academy there, and then she went on to Flagstaff, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=450.0,560.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the Academy was four years, yeah, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=561.0,565.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: She went to Flagstaff. And at this point there are five, no four generations of you, daughter related women who have all graduated from Flagstaff Teachers College. Let's see, there was my Louise Pearl was No, no, I'm not talking about the, you knows. I'm talking about the Lee's, oh, Lee's okay. There was Louise Lee, her daughter inis Stewart's daughter, Lynn. Inis is granddaughter Polly. It's. Stuart's granddaughter, Amber.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=566.0,601.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Are all NAU graduates? Yes, just teachers as teacher, all teachers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=602.0,607.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It was a teacher college anyway, and she taught school for two years in Pima, and then she married her my father, and they moved to St John taught two years where in Pima, which is a little town outside Thatcher. 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But they would do a lot of those kind of they would be several of them a group, and they'd all plan it, and they'd all go at the same time. They'd, in mother's case, there were several, two or three of the girls from a Thatcher who were marrying man from northern Arizona. They all the train? Yeah, they'd come on the train. They'd meet in Barstow, and then they'd all go to Salt Lake, and then I think they went to see a train was the only way you went. Then they went to Los Angeles, I think, on their honeymoon, and then she came to live in St John's. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=637.0,676.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: they did have a honeymoon, yeah. Oh, good. 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You had these county jobs, okay, and, and that was other than being, you know, the school teaching and, and and the stores and stuff like that. Yeah, he was all farming and cattle and so he did I do that, right? Anyway, he lost but then uncle, age went off farming, and I think Dad worked the job anyway. Well, that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=748.0,779.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: what I wondered. 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Kind of had their own little place, but anyway, then they moved over here, and mother tells all about it was kind of rough going. There was no walk. I mean, she had to go outside for a tap, like this was in St John's. Oh yeah, everybody, it's right where our house is now. I mean, it was the same lot. It had, well, people been living in it, but it was pretty run down. And I think she only had about two rooms. It was hard to keep warm when the wind would blow, you could. It had come through, and the rugs had come up. And anyway, she did the best she could, and but she she called it the air Castle, which was a good name for it. And then after Stuart was born, I think they saved up $5,000 and they built our present house. 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I mean, he was 21 so most of them were little older than he was. You know, a lot of them, some of my couple of. His sisters were Democrats. Uncle Don was a Democrat. There were others.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=1187.0,1209.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: He began World War he did anybody in your family serve in World War One? 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Would you know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=1562.0,1586.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: we ran against DoD Greer once?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=1587.0,1588.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: This would be 1923, and I assume why you're looking that up that the town Greer was named after the Greer family. 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But he was, he sat out one term, he was and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=1655.0,1660.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: then he and then he went back, was reelected, yeah, and then from there, went to the judgeship, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=1661.0,1670.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: okay. And then 27 years later, he died. I mean, he was a judge all that time. I Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=1671.0,1681.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And he was an incredible judge too. From us, from us. In fact, I was, I was reading the tribute that you had, the copy I have of the tribute after your father died, and one of the attorneys was commenting on your father going to the University of Arizona one year to study agriculture and to study farming. And said, but he didn't choose that. 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Was sure, in the elections, what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=1739.0,1742.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, in the in the in the Apache County days, we didn't too much. He knew everybody anyway. And I remember one time we drove through Alpine, and they had 40 votes in Alpine. A lot of them were mother's relatives. But anyway, this was after, after he went on the court. I mean, he was a judge right after he beat judge Givens drove through that town once, and Dad pointed up this house. Dad got 39 votes, and judge Gibbons got one. And dad pointed his house up on the hill. He said that's where the man lives that didn't vote harmony. I mean, it was he knew all these people because he'd been the stake president. He knew they. Knew him. He knew them. So when he campaigned, you didn't need any great he just went around, visited everybody. It wasn't until he ran Supreme Court that we all got involved. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=1743.0,1797.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: he didn't have. 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You see, you had billboards down in Phoenix areas like this, but then you had all these posters, and we'd go down 60 and, oh, now that's a good place for a poster. So we'd stop and put up a poster.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=1835.0,1886.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So it's not very unlike what it is today, really well. 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He'd go, you know, to see all the different people in labor unions and what have you. And he he was his own campaign manager, his own money, his own everything. I'm sure he probably got some help. He had lots of people, lots of help, because he had lots of friends. He had lots of Utah's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=1941.0,1963.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: too. 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I mean, you know, held her own scholastically and everything, and we were, we didn't necessarily run in the same social, social circles until after we got out of high school. But anyway, we were always good friends, and she was start of a bookworm whenever there was any moment why she read and and read very widely, and the she wasn't as social as I was, but she had lots of friends, and so did I and after she graduated from high school, she went down to Hila. By then, was a junior college, and she went there for a year. Stuart went there for a year, see Uncle Jess and Aunt Leela lived there. So it was. 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And so she went there for a year, and she was always going to be a teacher. Then she went to Flagstaff, and in three years, she graduated and got her degree. And she was not good with children, I mean, little ones, but she taught high school, high school, she","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2106.0,2132.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: taught high school, any particular subject. 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Oh, sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2166.0,2169.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And anyway,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2170.0,2174.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: was she so often the oldest girl? If the oldest child is a girl, she becomes kind of a surrogate mother. Did that well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2175.0,2181.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: not necessarily. We didn't need one. We had mother with our mother, all of us. She was good at, you know, tending the babies and all that sort of stuff, and we but we did our share of housework. And, you know, we had our chores boys did outside and we did inside. Oops, go ahead. Anyway. She graduated Flagstaff and she taught school well, she had one disastrous year in Mesa, but she got in the wrong kind of school. I mean, she should have been in the higher grade, but she Anyway, her first year was not too successful. 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She had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2292.0,2295.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: three children. Then she had two. She never had three or four children. She had three or five children or seven, yeah, and she taught in they lived in California, and then they lived in Peru for a year or two. He was into big business. 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Our divorce rate is lower than the average, but we do have them. And she then she settled down there in Phoenix, and she raised her seven children and put them all through college. And she taught. She put them through college herself. Well, Gene Hale, well, I mean, yes, she was a working mother, and after she got her divorce, she hadn't been teaching for a long time, and she only had her high school qualification. And so I think Mother sent her to she went to ASU and got her master's, and then she in May, so the community was just starting, and so she and by the second time around, she majored in history rather than English. 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I mean, it was a community college, community college,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2391.0,2393.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: right? Yeah, right, yeah. She taught, wow. She","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2394.0,2396.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: taught history, there, there. And was very, very. As popular as a teacher until she retired.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2397.0,2405.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: When did she get Parkinson's?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2406.0,2408.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Toward the end, she died 10 years she died in 92 and it was those last two or three years she started getting it. If you the older you are, when you get it, the less severe it is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2409.0,2423.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, okay, so it was something that didn't affect her life tremendously.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2424.0,2431.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No, by then, she'd slowed down and sort of retired. And so when I retired, I went back to Mesa and Tempe, and we lived quite close together. And, you know, we still had a good time together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2432.0,2452.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: A lot of the women then went into teaching, that went to college, went into teaching. What else was there? Well, that's what I wondered, were they? 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What do you remember about him as a young child?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2534.0,2539.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I don't remember. I remember when I was four, let's see, yeah, I was four when we built the house, our new house. And I remember, you know, we were playing out there, and I stepped on a board with a nail in it. I remember, that's the only, only real memory I have of that whole period, I'd remember that mother had to come pull it out, and we were very happy family. He was a cute little kid. I don't think we I don't remember either playing with him or not playing with him. I mean, we were all just three of us. We were all together there later on and see Morris was born right after we moved into that house. And I think in a way, inas and I more or less played together in Stuart and Morris, we didn't play together too much, but we all had, all you had to do is walk out the door and you had friends, right? Mother said once, she said, My children never came to me and said, What shall I do? What can I do? And you they were always very involved, even as little kids, you know, throwing the ball in sports and and all that sort of thing. But Stuart and I really became good friends and all in the high school and after that period during high school and afterwards, well, not during so much, but because, see, let's see, I graduated 35 I think we were at that point. I don't remember, but anyway, we were never not friendly, but we didn't spend a lot of time today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2540.0,2648.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now, you remember Inez as being very bookish. Was Stuart also, or, well, we all, I imagine you all were, that was probably mom","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345#t=2649.0,2657.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270345/transcript/78722/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and dad. Dad was, he was always there with paper, and at night, we'd sit around the fireplace and read until we got eventually, I guess we had a radio, but the reception wasn't very good, so whatever to make, and because Mother always read to the little ones and be read, Dad always gave us a new book for Christmas, and Stuart Morris would put pillows in a chair or in the corner and keep throwing balls into it. You know, at night, sometimes they were little boys and they got into basketball earlier. Well, they followed. They. Followed the seasons, you know, the high I mean, the schools had, we had great Well, they didn't have football games, but anyway, the kids all summer would play baseball. Stewart and Mars were always organizing. 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It's now February 22 2004 on Sunday, and we're at elma's house in Albuquerque. Elma, I wondered if you had any chance to think about other things you'd like to say about David and David King before we move on to other things?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346#t=0.0,26.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346/transcript/78723/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I think I've said enough about them. You do well, I don't think of anything special that I need to say, you know. 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You were about five years old when Morris was born in 1922 and I wonder, do you remember anything about his birth, about the day he was born?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346#t=36.0,61.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346/transcript/78723/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No, I, I don't have any early memories at all about any of that. I remember, you know, moving from that old house and into the new one, and he was born shortly after, after that, and it was kind of a difficult time for a mother, because her father died at the same time, according to my timeline on my folks, the judge had just been made state president and lot of things like that. But anyway, we were, she was a great mother, and the judge was a great father, and we were a happy band. She had taught school, and so by the time we went to school, we could write her name and read, and she we had a piano, and she liked to sing and so as well as read in the evening. So I we'd stand around the piano when we were little kids and sing with sing songs with her, and we the outdoors was our world, and we had friends all over and, you know, we would run all over. It didn't matter. She didn't care. We were smart enough to come home for lunch or dinner, I mean, to come home and she didn't worry about us, because there was no problems. Nobody ever locked their house and he left the car key in the car, and so that anybody that needed it could, I mean, in the family that needed it, knew where they were. And as I say, my older sister, she had a lot to do with my reading, because she read everything, and she tell me what was good and what wasn't. And although she was very picky about what she read, and I don't remember any great moments of playing with steward or Morris, I did more with Eloise Berg, because they were a lot younger, and kind of I helped, kind of tandem. But I'm just saying that the overall atmosphere was good. Was a happy and we went to we went to church all the time. And, you know, we're active in all those things as well as in high school we were, anyway, to me, it was very happy period. I don't remember any great crises or unhappiness.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346#t=62.0,209.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346/transcript/78723/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I was reading the the other day in a book by Abe Channon and his wife. They had one chat. They had two chapters on your family, or one on St John's and one on your family. And in one, Moe related how he and Stuart used to play court and that they would set up trials and bring in, you know, the neighbor kids, and actually try kids who were accused by their siblings of something. Oh, sure. Do you remember those?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346#t=210.0,239.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346/transcript/78723/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh, heavens Yes, it was. It happened in the summer too. It was out in our garage, and, oh yes, they they would organize it. They were great organizers. We also, we only, that only had jury trials in the summers, and we some summers it wasn't. There weren't very many cases, anything he settled. Settled most of them before, but we'd been to court. We used to go up and sit and watch it all the time, so they were aware of the procedures and all that. And so they go out there in the garage. And I, I think I went out and listened a few times, but it was, it was kind of a comedy as well. I mean, there was nothing too serious about it, but I remember it was one of those kids had stole 35 cents from his brother, so he got charged and was guilty. And I. Think the punishment you had to spend two hours in the chicken poop or so,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346#t=240.0,305.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346/transcript/78723/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: were Mo and Stewart sort of equal. 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And mother that one at night, they were doing it out there with a lamp, and mother went out to lean against the tree and listen, and bumped into Hazel Greer, who was the mother of the Greers, and she had come by and was listening to those listening too. So they both had a good laugh. But law was, you know, all that was pretty much front and center with us, with the judge, very involved. And he would always he was involved in and interested in so many things and so for dinner conversation and stuff like that. Why we started know what was going on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346#t=335.0,378.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346/transcript/78723/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: How about rodeos? He also mentioned that he Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346#t=379.0,383.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346/transcript/78723/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: they followed the seasons. If it was baseball season, they organized baseball games. And if it was, I mean, they had the court, and then in they, I don't know it was one summer or two, but here are all these, they down to our corral, and the other kids would bring in a calf, and they would set up. There's a wonderful piece of paper Stuart did once about it, but they would ride the calves, and they had judges, and, you know, all sorts things. Everybody had a great time. It was not, I mean, a lot of the kids in the whole neighborhood, you didn't have to invite anybody. Everybody just came. I guess I went down there and sat on the fence and watched one time. But it was all kind of hilarious. You know, was it was fun and but then they also the boys, they had to work out at the farm. 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As I said, one of the things that the church was very strong on was education, and all these little communities that were started, you also had schools and the church would, you'd use the church building as the school house, of course, but the church would send down, usually, somebody to be in charge, an educator, unless there was somebody equally qualified in the town, and then you used a lot of the local teachers that were qualified. And so I think we had a good education, but then we also had music teachers. And when I was in not so much in grade school, but in high school, the band my music teacher, and he also taught Spanish. He was more into bands than orchestras. He. But then the one Mrs. Patterson that followed him, she did choruses, she did orchestras, she did all sorts of things. And every year in Flagstaff, the college, they would have a contest, and we would go the band and the chorus and Scholastic things, and we do pretty well. 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I mean, we were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346#t=748.0,750.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346/transcript/78723/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: your chores. That's what chores did the girls have?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346#t=751.0,754.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346/transcript/78723/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, during as we got older, I mean, as there were more of us in the winter, because you had to heat the wash water outside, and you know, the whole bring it out. You didn't have any of this electricity stuff. She would have theirs was poor widow women that were doing laundry and stuff, and so they would do our laundry in the wintertime. 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I mean, there was not much chance for to earn money, and they wouldn't do it a lot. But, I mean, there was this one woman that would do our laundry, mother take it to her. She'd bring it back. But then in in, as I say, in the summertime, why us girls had to do it. And of course, we had to do the mopping and the sweeping and whatever needed to be done. And she sewed a lot. She made a lot of our clothes. She was very good, and she taught us to sew. Some were better than others. But anyway, I mean, not make a whole dress, but you were always having to pick out the scenes and mending and stuff like that. Yeah, and Eloise and ina seats. Took piano lessons. I started, but I was lazy and wouldn't practice. So they decided there's no point in me doing it. And then she also, as bird, got into school and everything she went to the courthouse. Dad had on the side he had at the county abstract company. What was that? Well, it's titled search. 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That was your father and your mother and,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346#t=873.0,880.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346/transcript/78723/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: well, they, if somebody came in with a request to have a title search, they would do it. It wasn't as though they had set up office and had business all the time. And she'd do a lot of, we'd all go up and compare, you know, she would type it out of the deeds and everything else. Of the records, and then we would have to go and compare it back to be sure the judge wouldn't sign anything unless we compared everything. And so she liked doing that sort of thing. 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But if you came home and the fire was almost out and there wasn't in the wood block, anything in the wood box, you went down, I chopped. We all have, I mean, you got to keep the fire going. And so and dad would do his part too. He'd always get wood that was sod. So we would, we could split it. It was, well, the kitchen stuff, but they did milking. Now, when the judge was in town, he did all the milking, because we were kids, but I miss his friend. She somehow, she had two brothers, but somehow it was her job to milk, and she taught. So she taught in us how, and inis would help her. Every night. They had quite a few cows. So in this was pretty good. So it got to when the judge would be gone, she would milk our cow, and I decided I'm not playing that day. So she had to wait till Stuart got old enough. I mean, if the judge was home, he always did it. And then there was neighbors, I mean, just in case. 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Well, it was only that one year, but, I mean, he kind of grumbled about some of the things. It was kind of a funny thing. You know, some of the things had gone on in the school. And of course, Morris did all right, I don't think Burke cared much about grades. I mean, he was smart enough, but I don't think he worked toward being number one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346#t=1427.0,1466.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346/transcript/78723/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Morris seemed like kind of a standout in high school. 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But then I think our neighbor sister, she'd come over and feed, fixed dinner for us. But anyway, sometimes I didn't get up in time and didn't want to make the fire, especially if it was kind of summer. And so they'd have to have we didn't have too much cold cereal. We didn't hear much fat. You'd have to have toast and glass of milk or something like that. And when mom and dad finally got back, the car drove up, and they didn't even come to stop till Burr was out the door, yelling, Elma didn't make me any much. 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You were well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346#t=1920.0,1927.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346/transcript/78723/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Every man in town is on that. I mean, the family, Dad was holding court in Prescott, and all the Mabels men, all these were gone. They were on this hunt way up. Ellen gone up in COVID. There wasn't any there was a CCC camp up there, but, I mean, there wasn't any communication. But so it in those days, it's interesting how things were. Dad was holding court in Prescott, and the operator knew that he was there, and the message from mabel's father, a telegram went through Prescott on the way to St John's, and she called dad and told him, and read it to him, and he called mother, and I was standing there by her. We had the telephone on the wall, and she just kept saying, oh, Levi. Oh, Levi. And anyway, she kind of slumped, and then she turned to me and she said, Rex is getting killed, and we have to go tell mingle. Oh. And anyway, went out over there, and Mabel, six months pregnant, and she was lying there on the couch, and we walked in, and she looked up the mother, and she said, there's something wrong in there. Mother said, Yes. She said, Is it about Rex? Mother said, Yes. She said, Was he hurt? She didn't say anything. She said, Is he dead? Mother said, Yes. Then they sent for grandma Whiting, and Mother told me to go up to telephone office and get the telegram, and just Mrs. Cowley was not a very good typist, and I was better than she was, so I typed the final thing, and it was from ei to dad, saying, Rex, accident, killed instantly. We'll be home tonight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346#t=1928.0,2052.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270346/transcript/78723/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Wow, it's a tough thing to go through. Yeah. Was in a small community, and in those days, I would imagine that death was dealt with more directly than, certainly, than it is now. I mean, were kids shielded from it? 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But Virgil, that I dated, he who was Maples brother, he had to play two all the time issues, and we'd go out after prairie dogs and jack rabbits. They were a menace. And so we had whiskey bottles. We they'd be dumped out there, and we'd line them up. 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Now take 57 so he, he died of natural causes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=0.0,6.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yes, and I mean, there certainly was a big funeral. Some of the I'm sure some of the people came from out of town, their relatives and stuff. I was kind of oblivious. But when anybody died, maybe not little babies and things, but it was a town lots times. 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Were you left home in 1938 and that was, I know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=142.0,148.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I graduated from high school in 35 and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=149.0,151.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: 35 okay, but Burr and Eloise were so much younger. Did that affect your relationship at all? 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Then the war hit, and like most of them, they all went out and enlisted. And he didn't come back to 45 and Morris, he was down at the university. He had two years down at the University, and he was, because of his eye, they weren't going to take it. And he went down, tried to enlist. And you know how they they check your eyes, you know they pull put this thing over your hand, over one eye, over one eye, and you read the chart, and then over the other well, he memorized the chart, so that was no problem. But every 10th guy or something they would look at with the instrument, and they hit that glass and said, Damn, you get out of here. But anyway, he was quite depressed, because he was not couldn't go. But not too long after that, they instigated a program for limited service. You know, he wasn't going to get a gun and go shoot, but there was plenty of things for him to do. 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I actually don't know that much about it. Well, I'm not going to tell you, because I wasn't there. 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I mean, there wasn't much for him to do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=621.0,624.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did the war affect St John's, other than the obvious, with the men gone, did the war affect St John's in any other way? 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I mean, anybody could be a secretary. I mean, but, you know, with so much training, and I could get a job, and I think I worked for the county agent there in St John's. He was a friend of the family, and for a while, and then he kind of talked to the guys in Tucson. Anyway, I went. I wanted to go to Tucson. I had friends there, and I wanted to work down there. And so I think I worked in agricultural extension service for quite a bit. But then, before the war, I don't know, remember whether it was 41 or into 40 Ryan train. 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You had to go primary, middle and, you know, advanced. And anyway, it was primary training school, but they decided to move inland. So they came to Tucson, and they had dry in field. They trained out there. It was on the way to ajo that rode out there. Okay, uh huh. And. And they were looking for people in Tucson to work for them. And so the inbola girls I was living with, they, we all decided we might as well get involved before our work. So we went. We worked out there as secretaries. And it was very primitive. I mean, they were just sitting the whole thing up lots of dust, and bringing in the cadets and all that. And we were getting acquainted with how the military does things. And I think we worked there for about a year and a half or something. And then patty and Merle had both studied at the university that didn't have any money, and they wanted to be nutritionists, so they had a lot of chemistry and stuff. 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We had a house, we roomed together and all that sort of stuff. And they were chemists. Well, they'd had a lot of chemistry because they were studying nutrition. They hadn't graduated or anything. But they were, they had enough chemistry to get these jobs. But, you know, you the war. We were still in Tucson, when Pearl Harbor, this was after Pearl Harbor, and they were beginning to put this whole thing into effect, you see. And I think Lawrence had got the Nobel Prize in the 30 sometime. But they were playing that down, because this was all now, you know, hush, hush. But Oak Ridge was underway. See, they would do the experiments and all these sort of tests and stuff they need to do in Berkeley, and then they'd go back to Oak Ridge and put it into effect. And so the people in Berkeley were having to go back and spend three months there. And they weren't very happy, because it was pretty hellish back there. 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They didn't want to go, and they kept using me as the excuse, because I said, if you go back there, I went back Tucson anyway. One day, the number two man walked in the office, I was in kind of a secretarial pool, and said, Who's Miss Udall? And I said, I am. And he said, well, we need these girls to go. So this is the site, and we could use, that's what it was called. And we could use, you will you consider going? So they'd already got that. I said, Okay, so anyway, they'd already left, and I had to, you know, get ready and go. And so we took the train out of San Francisco and went to Chicago, I guess, and then took another train down to Knoxville. And the train from San Francisco comes in the Union Pacific to Ogden, Utah, and it stopped there for quite a while. See it. The train from Salt Lake comes up and meets it there. And so I got off the train. Was walking up and down. They wasn't too well lighted, but I was walking up and down the platform there, and there was these two kind of ladies standing there. I went by once, then went by again. It was Eleanor Roosevelt. It was what Eleanor Roosevelt, Oh, you're kidding. And a friend, they were standing there. Oh, you know, she didn't have any security. Who cared? And anyway, I mean, she never did. But I. It up to her. Oh, I and I said, you know, Mrs. Earl felt, I said, I read your column. I said, I'm a great admirer of you and agree with what you say, etc. She said, Thank you, dear. 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And of course, all this uranium comes in by train, but what goes out goes out in the suitcase. And so we worked there for three months, and it was, as I say, pretty primitive. We were in dormitories, and there was, they'd try to keep boards so you could walk the dormitory out to the road to get the bus, but the boards would keep sinking in the mud. It was in the spring I came out of there the one pair of Jews. I threw all the rest of them away. But we had quite an interesting time. And we went up to to Gatlinburg and up in Smokies once in a while, and they let us go. And it was very interesting people there. I mean, you you had a lot of engineers, you had scientists, you had nobody. I mean, you didn't wear name badges. You wear badges at where you were supposed to go work. And so we had a lot of friends, and I didn't know anything about what was going on because of what I was working on, but the people I associated were I got the picture and but of course, this was all hush hush. And I think our male had to go to Berkeley. My family would draw it to Berkeley and then Berkeley and send it on to you, yeah. And then we came home after our three months, we came home on the train and had leave, and dad kind of asked me at one point, what are you doing back there? And I thought, well, I could trust him. I could, you know, tell him a few things, but then he decided to have a nap, so I didn't bother. But anyway, we went on back to San Francisco, and Merle, well, her she was married, and her husband was off in the war, but Eddie and I allowed us down. We wanted, I wanted to go with Red Cross. 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Okay, so, yeah, so they had offices, and, you know, but you signed up for our International Red Cross overseas assignment, and they sent us back to Washington, and we were there for about a month, and started orientation and getting your uniforms. They were very particular how your uniforms fit, and we were supposed to look real chic and everything. 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So you had to have extra if you're going hot, you had to have extra summer clothes. If you go in cold. You had your extra to begin with. You just got one uniform of each. But then when you were going why? Okay, so Hattie came home with a winter uniform sonnet. And, yeah, I got the other kind anyway. So we knew we were going,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=1583.0,1610.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: but you knew you were going different places. Oh, yeah. 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And so then we crossed from Charleston to we went in through Gibraltar,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=1722.0,1729.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: stop there. How long did that take?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=1730.0,1733.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Over a week. It was winter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=1734.0,1736.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Was it pretty rough?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=1737.0,1738.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah. And there wasn't any seasick pills either. So you just, you know, did the best you could, but it wasn't so rough that everybody got sick or anything. But there was a lot of activity, you know, you played cards and had happy hour and stuff like that to keep going. And I guess the nurses and doctors, they were, you know, boning up on their courses and all that sort of stuff. And then we went into Iran. We stopped there for several hours, and I don't think they let us off. So it was Iran, or ran, or ran, I'll hear you, okay. And then we went on to Naples. That's where their headquarters was. I mean, that's where National Red Cross, no, I mean, that's where the ship was going to get more patience was to Naples once we got on board. You know, we knew that's where you're going, but they also gave us an envelope with our assignment, and Naples was COVID. Old, so we knew we were going to Europe, but they didn't double envelope it. They didn't double double envelope it. So two of us, maybe there was three. We put it over the lamp, and we then we had to keep quiet anyway. 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I mean, you had to do everything through the military, so there was no way you could sneak a letter post office or anything like that. And so I mean troop movement to let the enemy know troop movements was, well, you know, that was one thing you did not do. And so, because the, you know, the boats and all that stuff were out there, but they were more in the North Atlantic sea, and we were in the south, and the African war was over, and they'd already moved into Italy, but so we got to Naples, and we got off. And I think we had three or four days there. They put us in some kind of a billet in town. It was pretty cold, and we had time to sight see a little and by then in Naples, the war had moved on. It was in northern Italy. It wasn't there. 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Was it was kind of like, not exactly, a backpack, but that was the thing you carried with you. Then you had a suitcase, and then you had a, I guess, you had your own. You had a trunk. You were allowed certain and you had to have certain things in it. And if there's a little extra room, you could throw in some personal stuff. But anyway, but anyway, since we were flying, we took our suitcase in our musette bag, but our heavier stuff was to go by ship. So we flew to Tripoli and landed. Man. That was a cold flight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=1923.0,1963.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So the flight was cold too. 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And then two stayed there, and five of us, I think maybe three, stayed there, were sent to Tehran and see it was the Persian Gulf command and our the opportunity that exercised was sending supplies into Russia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=1967.0,2005.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2006.0,2007.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: that's one place where the British and the Americans and the Russians all work together. The British were in charge of security. They brought in airplane parts, the ship by down to abadan and karma and, you know, all kinds of materials train, their train would go up to the end, to Greece, one of those towns up there at the and then the Russians would pick it up and take it on in. And to round was the hit. We lived with the nurses. We recorded with them. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2008.0,2044.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: but if, what was the role of the Red Cross in Tehran then? And, well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2045.0,2049.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: they had clubs. It was recreation. They had clubs. You had these social workers that were working in the hospital, but it was the headquarters of the whole area. We some of the let's see, I stayed in Tehran, and so did Rena. I think the others went south to where they had troops all over and you know, the purpose was running this train so that they had clubs and things for the guys, donuts and what have you. And but the head man was in Tehran at the Red Cross, and I worked at his as his secretary, among other things. But if there was a problem at home with you know, a family needed to get word to their son in Tehran or in. Wherever there was a Red Cross representative. My mother was the one in St John's. You would get all the information and the telegram and send it to the Red Cross headquarters in Washington. It would then go into the military communications and wind up with the Red Cross headquarters in Tehran or in wherever it was. These welfare cases are, if there was, if they needed to get in touch with the family. In the military, of these, if somebody was injured or there was a problem, they'd send it back through. Go the other direction. You see, the military, we were part of it because they supplied everything we had we needed. But this was military. Would rather have the Red Cross do this part of it, and they could do the military part. Right, right? Yeah. So the messages would all come into tear on and for that whole Persian Gulf command. And then I would sort them out. I, you know, knew where solo, where the different regiments were, and all that stuff, and the Red Cross people down south. And then I would redo the messages and send ones here and there that needed. I was the, whatever they call it anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2050.0,2183.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You were sort of the command central of the well, for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2184.0,2185.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the messy messages, you know, there was administrative work, a lot of other stuff, but then if I wanted to go down to the clubs in the evening, I could, I didn't have to, and so I had the best of both. I didn't, I didn't have to, but some of the girls, they worked, they had their schedule, and they worked out, and they, you know, the Red Cross had lots of supplies for the GIS, you know, with games and all sorts of stuff. Were you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2186.0,2215.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: able to be a tourist at all while you were there? 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And then he took two or three of us in a weapons carrier, and we went up to Caspian Sea,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2222.0,2252.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: just as for sightseeing. Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2253.0,2256.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: We were gone kind of a long weekend, I guess. And they used to send, it was kind of a joke, but anyway, they used to send trucks and GIS for leave, and they would go down to Iraq, down the Basra in that area, and bring back citrus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2257.0,2278.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Ooh, but that was a treat, yeah? 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I mean, you know, we didn't know. It took a long time to know all the details or everything, but the word was spread very fast. And of course, there was lots of talk, and we were all very interested in what happens next and all this sort of stuff. And the British there was a British embassy, British groups there, and the Russians and us, it was the headquarters for the thing. And so we were still in mourning for the Princeton when VJ VE Day happened. And to begin with, we thought, you know, do we celebrate? What do we do? But anyway, of course, we did. And we went over to the Russians club. Man, they were drinking all these Americans under the table,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2334.0,2381.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: vodka. Primarily, wow,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2382.0,2382.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, the Russians eat all that. They have a big table of stuff, and they eat while they drink. But not those Americans. And anyway, everybody's all very happy and dancing and what have you got? A little rougher than he saw departed at one point. But. Yeah, so then I guess that was in what was that was in May. Girls felt died in April, and this was in May and about. So sold the wars over, but you still got to wind it down. But anyway, the whole atmosphere changed that the war was over, you know, we're now going home, yeah, and, but we hadn't been there. I'd been there about eight months, I guess. See, I didn't get over there till 44 and so we were you went home on points the longer you were there, and all by you got to go. First we were low on the totem pole. So then they were closing up our area. So then we got sent back to Cairo. And there the head of the whole Middle East Africa theater that Cairo was, and so I worked for the head man there as his secretary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2383.0,2465.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now, when you say the head man, both for Tehran and Cairo, the would that be the director of the Red Cross for that area? 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I mean, I was a cent for that assignment, and so we it was interesting being in Cairo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2477.0,2491.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, that's what I wanted to ask you, is, I mean, both Cairo and Tehran are a long ways from St John's, yeah. What was your reaction? 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And I think there was one or two restaurants downtown where we used to go. But it was very kind of primitive and Middle Eastern, except that when Roosevelt, it was very deserty too. So you had the mountains, but then you had all this desert. So when Roosevelt and Churchill and Stalin met in Tehran, the Trent conference, which was a year or two before I got there, and Roosevelt was there, and the next when he he got in, one day and the next day when they started the conference, he made the famous statement this, when I woke up this morning, I thought I was in Arizona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2505.0,2587.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, I haven't heard that one. And so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2588.0,2589.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: every gi that I ran into, does this look, you know, I know what he was talking about, the terrain and everything. I mean, we think we've got desert. You ain't seen nothing compared to we've they got little camel Thorn here and there. They don't have all this desert flora and fauna that we do. It's, it's desert, it's really desert. 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And they weren't, you know, with the military, all our act, whatever we had was out at the base, and so you were encouraged to, I mean, there wasn't really much to do. We could go to the moosky and shop and stuff like that, but you didn't just go and wander around town. We didn't really want to. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2634.0,2677.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: where, where did you live during that time at the camp? Yeah, with the nurses in the barracks, okay, and what were the accommodations? 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You have all the basics, nothing fancy, that you have, which he had,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2688.0,2704.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: what you needed. Yeah, there were some wack troops there at the time, women's Air Corps, troops in that were in Tehran and Cairo in 1945 or so. Did you run into those at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2705.0,2718.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: There weren't any wax in there. Okay, there weren't in Cairo, but there weren't any in Tehran, okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347#t=2719.0,2723.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270347/transcript/78724/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I thought it said that they'd sent some. 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Well, we flew from Naples onto Cairo, so our luggage had to come by ship. Our we just had, I just had a suitcase and musette bag, and the rest of it came by ship and that. So by and by, got this letter from the Red Cross. This is to inform you that your luggage has been lost at sea. If you had any private insurance, let us know. Well, it had been the ship that was bringing our stuff got hit in the Mediterranean with a mind or mine, or something. And so it didn't come with you, huh? Well, it did as far as Naples, but it got left by ship to Cairo. So we lived, I lived out of that year and a half, but we trade off. I mean, anybody was going home and they had something. I mean, it was my whole group, all eight of us, and they did have some extra uniforms in Cairo, so we got that. But anyway, we were sent, I guess it was in July, back to Cairo, and that's when I was assigned to work for the head man. But so we spent VE Day in Cairo, out at the Burj pyramids, the dance club and all that sort of stuff. A lot of US military Red Cross people went out, and old King Peru was out there. He was celebrating too. He was he wore his feathers and his dark glasses, and he was sitting with a table with some of his henchmen. And you weren't supposed to know he was there, but he was celebrating the E day along with us, or vice versa, and see with of course, war had been over for a long time, as far as Carl was concerned. But anyway, it was a fascinating city, and we got both sight seeing a lot. We flew down to Thebes and Carmack, the military, and spent, you know, that's where all the tombs and all that stuff is absolutely fascinating, on the denial. And there was a Mrs. What was her name? She was the head of the Egyptian Red Crescent. See, they don't use stars, but it was the equivalent of the Red Cross. But she was a Copt, which is the early, early Christians. She was not a Muslim. She was a cop. And she was a very sophisticated lady, and she did all sorts of nice things for us. She'd take us around to sight to see and we met. We'd go to tea with some of her friends and that sort of stuff so and then there was the military base out, I mean, the Air Force Base out on the other in town. We lived right in town, on the Nile, and so then we went on, where were you in barracks? There as well. Well, in apartments, in apartments? Oh, no, there was, it wasn't in barracks in town we lived. In fact, the British High Commissioner had a big house in Cairo, and when, well, the thing in Israel, Israel, I've never been to Israel, but I've been to Palestine. But anyway, when that was heating up and everything, the Irgun, the Jewish organization came down to Cairo. They were wanting the British out, and they killed the British High Commissioner, old begin in that crowd. So, but they, we were given the Red Cross headquarters was given at his house for their headquarters. So anyway, that's where the headquarters was, but we had, it was quite a large apartment. There were a couple of places around town where the the girls lived and but she still had the Red Cross Club. You had all these various asunder things that were going on. And so we were kind of busy, but not terribly busy. But anyway, by the next by April the next year, well, one time a big, a plane came in from Italy. This was after the war came in from Italy. There was one of the chaplains, brought a group, and they were, they stayed in Cairo, and we met a lot of them down at the club, and they were going on to Palestine. So they invited Jeannie now to go with them. So we flew up with them. 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We spent about four days there, and we went up to the Sea of Galilee, and we did the whole thing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=297.0,315.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: which was fascinating Now, was this, were these, usually on weekends that you did that well, listen,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=316.0,319.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: the war was over, but we we got permission to go with this group. They were flying on up to Tel Aviv, and we got permission there. They invited us to go. So we went up with them and but this truck loaded GIS. We toured all over the area. It was Jerusalem, Tel Aviv. We went out to the kibbutz, we went to the Dead Sea, we went up to the Sea of Galilee. 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And then in April 46 they were closing out most everything, and they were sending a bride ship into Alexandria. And what kind of ship, brides, b, r, i, d, e, wherever the military had been stationed, all throughout the Middle East, there was quite a lot of them that had gotten married, and so here were the brides going","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=358.0,389.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: home. Oh, okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=390.0,393.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and we were going home with them,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=394.0,396.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: so they'd have a whole ship full of women. Oh, sure,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=397.0,399.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: they had brides. I hadn't, you ever read that said no, out of Europe, they had, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=400.0,404.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I mean, you know, I'd read that people got married, but not that they went all","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=405.0,408.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: on a ship, and they were the bride of a GI, and therefore they were the GI had to go on home. He couldn't bring her with him. So then they had to arrange for them to come. And they weren't going to come on the military ships. But this was a military ships that had been, well, not really fancied up a little, I was going to say, but anyway, they brought all these brides from all over wherever the GIS had been stationed all these years. I think I counted. There were 21 different nationalities. You know, there's some in Africa, the Middle East, there were a lot of poles. There was a refugee camp. They had managed to get out of Germany and into Russia and come on down. And they worked as maids and cleaning girls and stuff like that, and some of the camps. But anyway, we went out, packed up, and went out to Huck steps Air Force Base. And they were bringing the girl in, the girls in there, and we were having to get them ready. And so I was the finance officer, and I had my field jacket. I had bulges. I'd have to, they were entitled to, I mean, their own money. They could change into so much American money. But I had to go over and do it and then count it anyway, and they, well, the military were taking pretty much carry everything. But we kind of lived there in the it was this hospital area where we were lived there with the girls. And then they put us on busses and sent us up to Alexandria, which is where the ship was see Cairo was not on the coast, which was a pretty rough ride, and you could come. We knew all the rules and regulations those girls could come. They had their husband had to request that they come. It had to all be legal, and they could come, if they were not more than six months pregnant, or the child was less than six weeks old, they could come. And we had the lot, and those girls were used to eating with two hands, and you'd go and they couldn't. They had to hold the baby. I was very good. I could hold the kid and eat at the same time, but they couldn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=409.0,550.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You'd had a lot of experience too well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=551.0,552.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I could manage his own hand, but not them anyway. It was quite an experience. 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That was the military","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=570.0,573.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: job. Okay, so the Red Cross in where Cairo and auxiliary right, and then the Red Cross in Cairo was the same thing, same thing, okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=574.0,584.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: except this headquarters. They were all the Red Cross places around in the whole Middle East were under him. So there was a lot of administrative, you know, assignments and everything else out of the headquarters there. But. We were there for a week getting these gals ready to go. And I had to list one, so I should have kept it be interesting. It would be fascinating to see five years later how they made out. Follow up. There was some that were going to make it on sale and but once we got on the ship, the Red Cross, we were pastures, and they had Red Cross and nurses and, you know, military provided all the other stuff once we got on, but you were off duty then, yeah, yeah, but the girls did still come to us. They were having to fill out papers and, well, it was kind of sad, you know, especially with these Polish girls, where your parents, I don't know, you know, and the ones I gave the best hope to were the ones, the ethnic ones that were that married each other, the ethnic GIS.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=585.0,657.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh, ethnic GIS, marrying someone over there as a Why did you give them more hope? 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And how long again, was that a week?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=750.0,754.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But it was, it was spring. 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Are if they couldn't come. This was all arranged through the military. If they couldn't come, then the they put the girls on the train and the Red Cross, one of the Red Cross girls rode with them to take them to where they were going. But we had some sad occasions because some of the GIS, who said they would be there to pick up their wives did not come. Had second thoughts, huh? 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Oh, you know, so we but we knew we could tell that there was the girls were getting kind of nervous as we came in. You know, the last two or three days, they were getting kind of nervous. And, you know, out there in the Middle East, you have the rich and the poor and. Not too much in between. And so a lot of these girls, having had, you know, servants and stuff around, they were a little nervous to meet their mother in law, and they didn't know much about cooking or anything. And I remember one of them was telling the others, well, now I've heard there's such a thing as a delicatessen, so you just go there and buy everything you need. And I thought, yeah, when your money runs out, then what? Anyway, we wished them all well, and we went on our end. 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Some of them went months without any if you the poor devils, if you were stationed someplace, and that's the address you gave it to your folks, and then you got moved. Your mail would go here, and then it'd have to get transferred. And, you know. And finally, there in Cairo, at the Red Cross Club, they arranged that you could call home $12 a minute, and that so when they had a room set up with the phone, and everybody, the GIS, they got on the list and they were going to call home. And it was all very exciting. The first one in line, the day came, so he went in the room, he wouldn't gone too long, and he came out, and everybody, how was it? What's that going on in the States? How was it? 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Everybody had a great sense of humor. And, you know, you kept up everybody's morale. 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There was a man from Utah that was, had been involved with a lot of the dams. He was a from one of the universities. He'd been, you know, helping the Iranians. And he would come to town, West Ohio, and there was a few gi scene. We would kind of get together in Cairo. There was at the Air Force. I got acquainted with the captain and some of those people, and he had been on a mission in New Zealand, and there were a lot of Maori troops with the British, and a lot of them were Mormons. So he arranged I'd go to some of their meetings, and I was the only they were, you mean, she's an American, and a sister too. You know that I was a Mormon. So they were a happy group. 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He didn't want another 20 years of the same thing, and I think he was very much looking forward to the whole thing. I think Mother was not too thrilled, but so be it. I mean, she had so many friends and so involved in everything, and then she has to go down there and start over, so to speak. And she did very well eventually. But dad had sold the house and the farm, and we'd had to pack up and, you know, all that sort of stuff, and everybody was having us to dinner to tell us goodbye. And it's hard and But see, it wasn't so far away. They always went back in the summer. 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They'd stay there sometimes. And a lot of people from St John's, they had medical problems or anything like that. When they came to Phoenix, they stayed with us. So we were kind of back and forth, but I went with them and we he rented a house here on Culver, and we moved in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=1440.0,1464.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: on Culver. 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Ink so that it was, you know, but it wasn't, I mean, that was special, but the whole capital was alive, was with swearing in and and what have you. And so then we talked about it a lot. My brothers said Eloise, my sisters, who were out of college and were married Stewart Mars and Burr had the GI Bill, and they were in law school. Burr wasn't yet, but he went back to university when he came home, and so the judge said, well, now if you like to go back to school, you live with us and go to Tempe. I said, Okay, so I did for two years and but when he went on the court, there were three judges, and each had a secretary, and they had the clerk, the bailiff for no the clerk, the clerk of the court. What was her name? She'd been there forever. It's a year now. I'll think of it anyway. That was it. 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Well, there was Mom, just mom me at that point, but he'd tell us about him. He'd never, it was the point of law, and he, you know, he was working on this, and he'd tell us a bit about it. We were always interested. We were well aware of the fact that whatever he told us, You didn't repeat, you know, but he never said that, but I never quoted him anyway, on anything. But so I went on to school. I went up to Salt Lake for summer school once during this period, but I graduated from ASU. What did you study at ASU? I studied it was the beginning. They were just, you know, they'd always just been a teacher's college. But anyway, I studied social work. I was going to be a social worker, and I got my degree, but in order to really work, you had to get a master's. Mm, hmm. And I wasn't all that interested. And besides, my wander list was acting up. So I decided, well, I think maybe I'll go back overseas. But I well, I guess I was dating an FBI officer there in Phoenix, and I thought, well, I'll go with them, with the FBI, yeah, and I went to San Francisco and work for them, but I found out to her, maybe I knew all the time that they don't. They didn't have very many places. Most of them were in South America, and in our tradition, because they had so few places, there was a long queue of people wanting to go, girls wanting to go. 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And whenever agent needed to dictate, he told the gal that was in charge, and she assigned us. And sometimes you you came back with the whole day's work anyway, it was a complicated thing, but they had it all worked out. You didn't just work for one man.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348#t=1974.0,1995.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270348/transcript/78725/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And how about with the CIA in London? Did you work for a particular person? Yeah, can you say who that is? 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And so we were given the housing allowance, and if you tried to find something for one person on your housing allowance, you didn't do very good. You either had to, you know, put in more to your own money. But if two of you went together, you could do pretty good and but you rented flats that were already furnished and belonged to people. There weren't just a lot of flats that there for rent. You know, apartments, there was so some of them were pretty. They hadn't had anything new in them since before the war and this sort of thing. But we didn't care. We loved being in London. And I lived another girl and I we lived in this well, it. Was an apartment house, and this apartment had two it took us a while to get in there, but this apartment had two bedrooms and two baths, which was very unusual. And it was within shepherd's market. It was within walking distance of the embassy. And some of these military NATO guys had had this flat. They they always passed it on to the next one. 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And for a month, our men, if they went over to the Foreign Office on business, they had to wear black tie. So we had black ties hanging around so they had to go, why? They had to put on a black tie. And the restaurants, the hotels, everything, even, even the windmill, which had never it's a girly show. It hadn't closed for 100 years. It closed, and the whole town was in the morning. And the BBC, I guess, after the next day came back on, but you would turn in and you could just hear the totally and the bills. And, of course, Queen Elizabeth, Elizabeth was in Kenya. Oh, she was, yeah, they were treetops, and so she had to come home and the whole thing, but we had already planned a ski trip to Austria, so we that was your roommate, or, well, several of us in the embassy, and some of the British are French, but the king lay in state in Westminster Hall for two days, I think. And so we weren't going to be there for the funeral, but we queued for about two hours out in the rain, and it was fascinating. Here's he was on this cattle walk, and candles at all four ends and the soldiers, you know, the buzz weeds and the big house and the red coats and their guns pointed down, they were, you know, standing watch over the casket. I mean, the whole thing and so and it was, there was candles and everything, but it was really this great big hall, and yet this, and you could, you walked in and you walked around it, and you walked back out, paying your respects, and at one point, his brothers came and stood watch, but they wore the same uniform, and you Never Knew it. Oh, really, yeah. 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And so it's all very fest, even that some of the best plays. And the whole town was alive with festivities and excellent theater. Everybody was putting forth their best. And in the we were given, our group was given two tickets by MI 525, pound tickets, I think. And Nikki and me won them. Oh, you won the tickets, yes. And so some people spent the whole night out in the rain, chewing on the street, I mean, on the sidewalks, so they could have a good view. But it was on Oxford Street. And John Lewis, anyway, we the oh, there was great regulations. You had to be in a certain place at a certain time and come from a certain angle, but we had to go in the back. And we had the service at Westminster. Was on television as black and white, but they had lots of televisions in there. We watched the whole COVID and we had Scottish salmon and all the trimmings for lunch. And then they had taken everything out of the windows in the store and put in bleachers. So we sat out there. 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It was raining like crazy the whole day, but Churchill had the window down, sticking his head out. Did you see him? Oh, sure, putting up his V sign. And, you know, everybody went by the Royal coach with the queen and saw he had these beautiful views.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=4.0,27.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: You You must have seen some amazing people while you were there. John Foster Dulles was Secretary of State at the time. I guess, I guess it was after him. But did you get to meet people like that? No, no,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=28.0,45.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: no, I wasn't on that level, not on that level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=46.0,49.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: How about embassy parties? Did you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=50.0,53.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, we had our own group and lead, you know, had our own parties and stuff like that. The Embassy in London is so big and the diplomatic corps is so big that on that level, we don't get involved at all. And so you did, Winfield house was given Barbara, Barbara Hutton to the embassy, the State Department for the ambassador, for instance, but he hadn't moved in yet. So it was, it'd been a club during the war for the Air Force, so we had that used to go out there a lot, and there was so much to do around London and going out in the countryside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=54.0,91.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: That's what I wondered. What did you do for entertainment? I mean, theater, my God,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=92.0,96.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you never could catch up with it. There was everything and concerts and, you know, the whole bit, but it was not difficult to get to the countryside because there were not too many cars. And so we plan our weekends and holidays, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=97.0,115.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: off we go. Was it you and any particular person, a roommate or just several","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=116.0,118.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: of us. We had few. We worked in bunches. We all had this. We were all fascinated with being there. 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I took them down to can't and to see their relatives,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=177.0,202.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: all that stuff you must have been it just doesn't seem to me like there were too many women. As you said, your choice seemed to be nursing or nursing or teaching. 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You did anyway, while you were in England, Stewart and Morris both decided to run for the same congressional seat in Arizona. And I gather, I guess Moe was, Moe was county attorney in 52 and Stuart was with the amphitheater. School Board believes practicing law and practicing law. Well, they were partners together at the same time too, and I've heard that your father sort of had to step in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=253.0,284.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: It wasn't the, I mean, Stuart was going to go, but, I mean, Morris would like to have and I think he thought his chances and all were just as good as Stewart's, but it never got to the boiling point. 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I mean, just well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=710.0,710.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: they finally got help and took him into the hospital in Wickenburg, but he died shortly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=711.0,718.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It was a stroke. Scott to have been a tremendous shock. It was, was he in his 50s then, or he was 69 it was 69 but otherwise in great health. 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She filled those because she always had. But at night he came home, yeah, well, I came home, so that helped. And, you know, we went to see the Indians, we traveled, we went to Tucson, we went all over and so then after that was 60 and 62 I guess I was doing all right. I had a lot of friends, and you know, they were, I like to send more pregnant, but I'll make this short, after the judge died, and then we had the the convention, and Kennedy was nominated. And then in December, he appointed Stuart to the cabinet. And so for Christmas, the boys gave mother that ticket to go back to the inauguration. And I told Denmark, Greg, I said, Put me on leave without it pay, because I'm going. And they said, No, we think very highly of your family and all, and we're proud to have you go. So go. So I went for about 10 days and and Mrs. Webb Lee's mother. We all went back and had tickets to the inauguration and all that. 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They'd been on the same committee, you know, working together, and in a way, he was a natural for it. And I don't know how much indication he may have had, but he called mother from the airport in Phoenix and said, I'm on my way to Washington and have an appointment to see Jack Kennedy, and I'll let you know how it comes out. So then several days, he was going to see him the next day, I think. But something happened to Kennedy was in New York, so it got delayed today, or sturdy, had to go up there as something. But then it was announced Mr. Would be, had been appointed Secretary of Interior, and it was all across the headlines of the Phoenix newspaper, and they didn't like you anyway, but there it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=1115.0,1166.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Why didn't they like oh, they didn't like Kennedy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=1167.0,1168.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: No, they didn't like Stewart. They never liked Stewart. But anyway, the newspaper came out to interview mother, and our picture was on the front page. Anyway, they they, Oh, well, now this is so exciting. The first time in Arizona has ever been members of cabinet, etc, etc. And now, what were you doing when you were told, when you found out today that just she said, we've known for three days, you know? Well, they, she and they said, How could you keep a secret like. That. And she said, Levi, you told you'd all taught us to see, keep seeker. And anyway, we went back and Stuart had gotten acquainted with Robert Frost. He had been the poet in laureate, or whatever, in residence. And how had they gotten acquainted? All right, I'll tell you. He was the poet of the Library of Congress for the year. And usually they had the Congress. He'll do a reading for the Congress. It was kind of a traditional thing they did. So it was all arranged. He was going to do it, and they were the cab. I mean, the Congress was invited, but it was one of those nights when they got going on the appropriation bills and went on till 10 o'clock and stood him up. He didn't get to go. I mean, they didn't go. And anyway, I think he's a little miffed, but Stewart called him out of nowhere and said, I'm sorry. I was looking forward to it. Will you give us another chance? I'm going to have some of my friends out to the house, and would you come? So he came, so they got to be real good friends. He visited him in Tucson, and then he it was Stuart's idea, or suggestion, you know, to have him on the inauguration. And so when we got there, Stuart said Robert Frost didn't want to stay in a hotel, but Mrs. Mahoney, who owns the Franz Scott tea house in end of the bridge, is letting him stay there. And I volunteered you to take care of it. And I said, well, that proves that politics makes strange a bit, tell us. So anyway, it was very exciting, very hectic. We went from one reception to another, and you know this and that and the other. And he had, Robert had his own entourage, but we would go. We would I spent the night there and fixing breakfast, and we'd visit. And the morning of the inauguration. Why? Of course, it snowed and all that. But we were talking, and he said, course I wouldn't be here if it weren't for Stewart. And then he wanted to be sure he lived good. And I pushed his hair down. We visited, and then we we went up to the hill. Stuart still had his office, so we went in there, but he had to go off to meetings and stuff. And Robert Pull, pull this ready piece of paper out of his pocket, and said, Can I get this re typed to Stewart? And Stuart hand it to me. So I everybody was milling around. I moved to MOSFET typewriters, and I put in two copies, one for me and one for Stuart. Good for you. And of course, they were using blue type, but I triple spaced it, and I made it real pretty and took it into him. And, oh yeah, that's fine. And I saw Stuart. He took the original, put it in his pocket. I think he finally had to cough it up, but so we go over, well, you saw it. There was high noon and a two year old eyes and the blue type, and anyway, bright sun, he couldn't read it, and he told me, he told me that morning, he said, This is the first time I have ever written a poem for an occasion. He said, usually I get an idea and I mull it around for about a week, and it kind of falls into place, but he was still working on this one. And what it was was a preface to the birth of the gift outright. Oh, dedicating it into this Augustine age of poetry and power, you know, to the new administration. And as you know, he stood up and started eid and couldn't get through. And Lyndon Johnson stood up with his top hat and tried to shade the podium. And that didn't help much. And finally, Robert just said, I can't. And then he launched into the gift hours, you know, the land was ours before we were the etc, etc. And, oh, he felt terrible. He ruined the whole thing. And anyway, Stuart funny said, you know, Robert, after all the swipes you've taken that with the elements in your poems, he said, I think they finally got even with it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=1169.0,1475.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So Robert kind of cheered up. Anyway. So then I stayed on until the fall of 62 with mother. 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Oh, you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=1615.0,1620.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: were with McGovern when Kennedy was killed. Ooh, how was that? I mean,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=1621.0,1624.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: well, Stuart and Lee, there were five members of cabinet were on the way to Japan for a meeting, and I was staying. They had Margaret that came and spent the day out there, but I would go out at night and spend the night with, take care of the kids, and give up in the morning and and then Margaret would come. Harold was the driver, and he'd bring Margaret, and then he'd take me and, and anyway, I mean, with Stuart gone, Harold didn't have much to do, and it was a so we all came back from lunch, and television was on, and there I was, and, you know, you couldn't believe it. And we just sat mesmerized, like everybody else, for an hour or so, while they kept doing things over and over and over. And finally it hit me, those kids are going to be coming home. They'll let school out, and I better get there. So I called Harold, and he came and got me, and we both cried all the way out. And he came in the house with me too. He was wonderful to he'd been driver for Ickes. Oh, and he came in the house with me to, you know, kind of explain things to the kids. 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We went to the White House when the cabinet was sworn in. I went down the line with him and Stuart's. See they line up according to the edge of the cabinet. So it was five and five, and Stewart's next to Kennedy because it interiors the fifth cabinet to be made, or whatever. So anyway, he said, Jack, I want you to meet my sister, Elma. And those blue eyes looked at me. And he said, it's a pleasure to meet you, Elma. And he said, and this is my wife, Jackie, and then there was Adley Stevenson. They made him a member of the cabinet, and I floated on the room. But Stewart said that was the last time he called him Jack. 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But anyway, a bench, then in where?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=1801.0,1829.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, with Johnson taking","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=1830.0,1831.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: this is 63 Yeah, I guess I stayed on, maybe till the spring. I can't remember now, I decided, Okay, going. 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And they had, where the State Department is pretty regular, you know what's coming with all of those. And when you apply, of course, you don't have a choice. But anyway, they Well, I was just, and I got kind of tired of being undercover, where you kind of had to make up your story and this and that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=1875.0,1900.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the other I could imagine that would get a little old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=1901.0,1904.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And so anyway, so I worked at the State Department. It was when Greece and Turkey, you're having their trouble over Cyprus. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=1905.0,1915.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: worked in that section. So you were, you were in Washington, working for the state so I went,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=1916.0,1919.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, I worked in State Department for about six months or something, and then and I knew the personnel gal, and I told her, Okay, I'm ready to go. And she pulled out all the stops, and she said, the best job for you is to go to work for the political counselor in Moscow. I said, You got to be kidding. Whoa. She said, No, that's if all the jobs coming up, that's best one for you. So I kind of gulped and thought, Well, why not? And lot of my CIA friends thought I'd gone down around the bend. But I carried in my dip passport. I carried in my passport the person to be notified and gave us the emergency was Stuart Udall, Secretary of Interior. So I thought, well, that might help things a little. So I went and I was there, the girls do 18 months and out, or you can do one year there and one year in Western Europe, and then transfer. I mean, then totally and we had to. We were busy, believe me, and it was cold in more ways than one. 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We've got great, big, wide streets, but they were kind of out of balance because there was more trucks and busses than there were cars, especially in the winter, everybody put the car up on blocks and covered up and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=2021.0,2044.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but we worked awful hard. It was, was it difficult being an American in Russia? 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We didn't know where the shops were, and so you never knew. You could put in for tickets, but you never knew until two o'clock, when the driver came. And back, whether you were going that night or not. So it was always very exciting. But when you got in there, it was another world. You know? It was beautiful, the music, the theater. 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We'd go to museums, we'd we didn't have cars, but you on off days, we could take an embassy Car and Driver, and we didn't. 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But anyway, we went out to paradelkin, oh, which is the artist village where Pasternak he's I went we, I made a pilgrimage his grave. He was the same age as my father. He died the same but, and we went to Leningrad, they encouraged us to travel, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=2142.0,2168.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: we but did? They also warn you about things like English speaking drivers. 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I mean, back, yeah, that got pretty tiresome, especially on touch day and but, you know, we were bugged all the time. They finally, the Seabees came in and took out a one room. They took up the whole wall to see where the bugs See, they bugged it as something was built. And so you knew all that, and you it worked both ways, because if you were mad about something, you could explode. But otherwise, we went for a walk if we wanted to talk and but we got around. We went to Leningrad, we went to Tallinn, we went to down to Purdy del Cano. 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We had one of the one of the officers, who spoke excellent Russian, and he was kind of the Travel Advisor, and he we went to Yakutsk, Irkutsk, which is kind of the central the Siberia, on Lake Baikal. We flew paraflood. We spent several days there. And it was fascinating. It was May and so, you know, it was getting warm, and you know how lots of people have triple the double glazing, double windows? Yeah, they had triple. Huh? And they had moss and plaster going around each crack. I mean that that it gets down to 60 below. 60 below, that's not wind chill. And we were up near the otter circle, and we stopped in Irkutsk. We didn't have to have the guides, you know, whatever their tourist people are in tourist we could go on our own, but once we got where we were going, they took us. They picked us up. We had to deal with them. Well, you couldn't go on your own without language is to get transportation and stuff. And we went down to Lake Baikal and all sorts stuff. 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But we decided we didn't want to take that. It takes a week to get out there in a week to get back, and if it's bad weather, you don't even the windows are so dirty you don't even get to see anything. 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They say we don't do much with America, but they do with Canada and places like that. And anyway, we had a great time out there. 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I didn't go","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=2564.0,2582.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: too much. Did you ever run into missionaries","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349#t=2583.0,2586.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270349/transcript/78726/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: in Helsinki? I used Helsinki. You did the Finns all had a sound on Saturday night so they could come and have dinner with me. But anyway, all right, I got to get myself out of Russia and move on. So I said, Okay, a year is enough. I want out. So they sent me through Berlin, and most of the people in Berlin had come from the west. You know, here I am, 110 miles inside the Iron Curtain. Well, hell, I came from the east. Berlin was the best, brightest, gayest city I'd seen a long time. And so it didn't bother me. But so I was there for a year, and Berlin was very exciting. Now, this was West Berlin. 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There were an awful lot of nice people there. Some of them were very good friends. I had Berlin. I had German friends, and I learned a lot. Emmy, my one friend, she'd lived through the whole thing, and we walked down the streets, and she the last, the end of the war the Russians came through here. You know, was that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=30.0,52.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: in East Berlin? 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Where did you live in Stockholm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=347.0,350.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: There again, the embassy had took over apartment house. We are okay, but you just took over the flat. The girl, they didn't. We didn't ship furniture and stuff for us. You just took over the flat, the person you replaced had, and it was all very comfortable. And if it was snowing for a week, you could spend the weekend having an ongoing bridge game from one apartment to the other. A lot of things to do. We get busy. 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They're in there now, but they're not then, not done. They wouldn't just go straight into they usually went into countries that were already Christian. 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That's the nice thing about traveling with friends all over and then I went to Vienna, and then I went to London, and then I came and I had a month at home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=1329.0,1343.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And did you stay with your mother? Oh, yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=1344.0,1346.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I stopped. I'd always stop in Washington. I had to, I'd stop in Washington and see Stuart and Lee and Morris, and then I'd go to Richmond, and then I'd go home, and, you know, see her, my sister,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=1347.0,1359.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: friends, and visit with mother, and anyway, then I went to went back to Washington, then I went to Budapest, and it was,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=1360.0,1374.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and they say it's fascinating. Now I'd like to go back, but to me, it was kind of a city more with the past than her future. Have you know, having been part of the East Europe, although it had such a great heritage, having been part of the Habsburg Empire and the beautiful buildings and stuff, but everything was all very run down and but there again, it's on the the Danube and our the apartment for the embassy people lived was right on the Danube. I could lie in bed and watch the hydrofoil go. It would go every morning at seven o'clock to Vienna, it would shoot out. I'd see it go, and then I'd see it come back in the evening, and I'd go on it. Sometimes. I had a good friend in Vienna, so I went up there quite often, and I worked for the number two man in Budapest. It was not like an iron curtain country. I mean, you felt quite free to move around. And the relationship that was the Cold War was pretty much over. 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But anyway, they were, they'd taken x rays or whatever, and they were going to operate. And so she had pancreatic cancer. That's a bad one, yeah, but she came out of it, and that was in October. So then I went home, and I took, you know, a couple of weeks leave or whatever, and went home and Morris had this, she'd had her operation, and they did a bypass, and, you know, she was doing pretty well, but you knew that it wouldn't be too much longer and but he he was giving, this was the first time he was having a fundraiser and archival Cox came.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=1539.0,1596.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Was that in Tucson? Yes, oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=1597.0,1598.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the first time he had appeared anywhere since this Saturday Night Massacre, and he came to speak, and but Morris called us and said, I'd like you. I'd like to have you come. And he said, the mother, you always come, but you never speak. So would you say a few words? And she said, Yes. And she did. But anyway, she was, she was on pills. She was hurting, I could tell. And we went to the dinner. But of course, it lasted longer than anything. And I took a pill ago. She was very stoic. I took one anyway. And finally I said to her, give her, get her a glass of water and give her this. 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I They sent me over to I was supposed to go at Christmas time, and then another girl got transferred, and they said, You got to go earlier. So I all of a sudden, I'm going to London. So I went for three years and worked for the political counselor. Was going to retire, I really was eligible. 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I got that was my nephew's friends. Yeah, I didn't want to live in Phoenix, and she was teaching at Mesa Community, so she was living there. And so I lived there for about 10 years. And in the meantime, went to London, near the area of the year,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=2267.0,2289.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: did you? Yeah? Well, it had become home for you, I'm sure. And in the meantime, Mo had developed Parkinson's. 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And Stewart and Lee were in Santa Fe Eloise noir and decided to live here. And I was getting sick of Tempe, Arizona, Phoenix, and not Arizona, but Phoenix. And so they just kind of said, why don't you come? And I thought, Well, why not? 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I retired in 79 and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=2471.0,2472.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you've continued to travel quite a bit, I mean,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=2473.0,2477.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and I've had lots of my Foreign Service friends come see me, and I go see them. I've been to Kenya twice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=2478.0,2485.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Do you have a favorite place? London?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=2486.0,2488.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: London itself? Well, yes. I mean, I don't want to live there, but it's my city. They speak my language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=2489.0,2498.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, it certainly sounds like in the arts and everything, that's just","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=2499.0,2503.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, when you when we were working there, we were working seven, you know, five days a week. Sometimes had to do overtime, but so you could do go to the theater and all this Wednesdays. I mean, evenings and weekends. But when I go over now, I can do whatever I can catch up. I never felt","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=2504.0,2521.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I caught up before. Where do you stay when you go over there with friends? Oh, how wonderful. How wonderful. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=2522.0,2530.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: you I've never paid a hotel bill over there. You probably travel at least. And I go. I had friends down in Dorset, in Kent. I mean, I, I don't just, I move around. I'm very fortunate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=2531.0,2541.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And do you still go there every other year about or Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=2542.0,2544.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I go whenever I feel like I used to rather pay an airline ticket to London than air conditioning in Phoenix,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350#t=2545.0,2554.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146521/file/270350/transcript/78727/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: where we set our priorities. And I happen to understand that one well, Elma, thank you so much. It's getting late, and I can always come up with lots of extra questions, but I think I'm going to give you a break. Well, I think it's time and call it quits for now. All right. Thank you very much. Thank you. 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