{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/kk94748t6p/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Bob House Interviewed by Mabry Robinson"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/038/original/university-libraries-logo-2x.png?1711560609","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Source"]},"value":{"en":["Arizona Veterans Project, MS 835"]}},{"label":{"en":["Relation"]},"value":{"en":["Arizona Veterans Project (is part of)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["House, Bob (Interviewee)","Robinson, Mabry (Interviewer)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["2025-05-07 (created)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["Arizona--Tucson (spatial)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":[".MP4"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Arizona Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Identifier"]},"value":{"en":["MS835.048 (uid)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Keyword"]},"value":{"en":["Branch of Service - Medical Corps Reserves","Highest Rank - COL","Period of Service - Desert Storm","Company - 5502DUSAH(100bedaug)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Oral Histories"]}}],"provider":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Arizona Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Arizona Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/038/original/university-libraries-logo-2x.png?1711560609","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/282/815/small/azu_ms835-048_a.mp4_1752595479.jpg?1752595480","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - azu_ms835-048_a.mp4"]},"duration":3668.928,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/282/815/small/azu_ms835-048_a.mp4_1752595479.jpg?1752595480","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-arizona.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/282/815/original/azu_ms835-048_a.mp4?1752595478","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":3668.928,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["transcript [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: There we go. It gives you a little thing, alright? So first and foremost, can you just tell me a little bit about who you are, what you did in the army, and then kind of we can go from there,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=2.0,13.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: absolutely now who I am, how far back do you want me to go? As","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=14.0,18.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: far back as you want. I trust you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=19.0,22.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Okay, I thought about that question when you sent me the note, and I can tell you a little bit of background as to why I joined the Army Reserve, if that is helpful. Yeah. Okay, well, real briefly, uh, uh, just my personal background. So I'm from a small farming community in Nebraska, uh, had connections with Denver, and came out here for college. And in my era of college, the Vietnam war was going on, and my senior years when the the very first draft lottery came about, and so all of us got a number, and as it turned out, I ended up with a high number. So allegedly I wasn't going to be drafted when I went back home to my small farming community. It looked like I was going to be drafted, so I had a this summer where I'm scrambling to see, do I want to join the Air Force or the army, you know, ahead of a draft. And then Congress passed a law because the small rural communities were still being disproportionately tapped for people. So if you were from Los Angeles, they might draft up to number 20, but for my little community, 300 So anyhow, so the bottom line is this real brief, I didn't get drafted and I was going to medical school. I went to medical school, came back to Denver to do my psychiatry residency. During the course of my residency, I met and had a couple of physician mentors who were in the Army Reserve. There was a new, not new, there was a unit based at Fitzsimmons, which was an active army duty post at that time, and you've heard of it, the 5502, US Army Hospital. I didn't think much of it until I finished my training, and then my mentor said, You ought to join. So September of 1981 I joined the Army Reserve the very same day as your grandfather. So that's where I met him. Now, a little background as to why I wanted to do this. The Vietnam War was over, but I come personally from a family with a very long history with the military, so my great grandfather, generations back, fought in the Revolutionary War, and members of my family have fought in just about every war in the United States has been engaged in since the Revolutionary War. So we have this family tradition of serving. Both of my parents served. So my dad finished one year of surgery training, one year of internship. It was 1942 he found himself in the South Pacific, learning surgery on the battlefield. My mother wanted to become a nurse, and she went to Chicago, became a nurse, and spring of 1942, she graduated and joined the Navy as a Navy nurse, and was sent to San Francisco. And both of them learn a lot about conflict and wars and leadership during this time. So that was my personal family and all of the dads in my little farming community. They were either farmers or they served in the military. So that's why I was interested in this. My two younger brothers, they were drafted, so they served in the Navy. So again, family tradition. So that's part of why I got interested in this. Join the 5502, and it was, I'll be honest with you, kind of boring if you were a physician and really as a nurse, because there wasn't a lot to do. We were at peace for about 15 years. 16 years training really wasn't that emphasized for officers, especially, but also some of the enlisted people. That was my observation. And then all of that change, 1990 1991 Desert Shield, Desert Storm, and all of a sudden, people were being called up for active duty just to share. When Vietnam ended, to save money, the federal government started transferring certain units. Like law, like medicine, to the reserve, so you were kind of on contract, on standby. That way they didn't have to spend so much money. Desert Storm happened, and they found out we have to call up reserve nurses, doctors, veterinarians, and the whole nine yards. And a lot of these people were not prepared to go. And after it was over, a lot of the reserve medical people left. They weren't going to do this. The dedicated people stayed, and that's one of the important parts that I wanted to share with you. So what happened then there was a real focus on readiness, and that's the key word readiness. And we started to really engage in training. We started to find out that the field is not the lawn outside the building, it is actually the field that you're very familiar with. So we started doing that, and then we still had old things that we were doing that were so out of date. An example NBC, nuclear, biologic, chemical warfare, we had to wear these mop suits and engage in all this training, and it was worthless. Nobody in the world was doing this, really. So it was worthless, time being spent. So then after Desert Storm was over, and the few of us that stayed there was the government made in the military made a big change. So for example, your grandfather as a primary care provider, he was put in charge of a small primary care unit that was meant to provide the physical exams and stuff for mobilization. So that was their mission. As a psychiatrist, my mission, they were standing up what were called combat stress control field units, combat units that would be assigned to a combat unit and take care of psychiatry needs the army, the military in whole, but especially the army. Notice there was an increasing problem with psychiatric issues, but they really kept medicine over here and psychiatry over here was very separate, and there was a very big stigma. Keep that word in mind, stigma if you access psychiatric care. But bottom line is, I became the commander of this unit. It was a 22 person unit. I had to stand it all up there. It was me and two enlisted people. And one of the two enlisted people was pregnant, so she left right away. So it was me and one lady, an e4 an e3, so anyway, we built up the unit, I though, and this was one of the advantages, was sent to a bunch of schools that the army now had for those who were in command of units. And I learned a tremendous amount. So a recommendation is, if you ever get a chance or an offering to go to some of these trainings for leadership do it. I learned as a physician. I learned about issues around readiness. I learned really about logistics, about, you know, keeping track of equipment and who's accountable for the equipment, very important kind of thing. I also learned from the personnel officers, kind of how to look at personnel and how to fill my requirements for my unit. I just couldn't take anybody in that regard. And also learned how all of these different layers of command related to each other, so that was particularly important to me. I did that for seven years. So about 1991 until we'll say two 2000 we'll say whatever. 92 to 2000 did that for seven years, got the unit going. The unit was a field unit, so I took the unit down to Fort Carson every summer for our field training, and we learned how to shoot weapons. We learned how the logistics like. At first it's like, well, we have these Hummers and we're going down to Fort Carson. Everything is set. And then I would bring up the key thing, are we going to have enough gas to drive back gas? Oh, so he had to apply for a credit card to do that. So that's what I mean by that detail, because Hummers don't get good gas mileage. We got to Fort Carson, we try. Trained in the field, we were out of gas by the end of by the time was come back, so we had to use that credit card. So that's an example of real minor detail stuff to pay attention to that I found for my schooling that I was able to pay attention to and share with my junior officers and enlisted people. So that was very helpful. It was still peacetime, so we didn't have the stress we were going to have to go to war, but we were better prepared to do that. Now, looking at a couple of notes here, so give me one second, the next thing that happened is, you know, normally, these commands are two to three years. Just because there were so few psychiatrists, I ended up being told I was staying for seven years. So they found another psychiatrist. I stepped down and went back to the 5502, as just a medical officer there, and I was put in charge of, and I'll come back to this, helping an officer who was tasked with readiness. Okay? I actually, let me, yeah, let me just go ahead and tell you share. So what she said to me is, would you be willing to look at the mobilization books? There were a couple of big notebooks on all of the requirements to mobilize the unit is an entirety, which was never going to happen, or to mobilize specific parts of it, like the veterinary component, or the surgeons or certain nurses in the trauma sections and stuff like that. So I looked at the books and realized nobody had looked at these for years. I was just shocked, because with my other unit, I had to create them so I knew they were up to date. And so one of the important things was identifying where we were having problems and then bringing things together. And this really made a difference for the unit, for example, to be mobilized as a reserve physician and as a nurse, you have to have a CPR card. There was no documentation who had them, and most of the doctors did not have them, which meant you would be called up, sent to a mobilization station, like Fort Benning or Fort Hood, or wherever, and then you'd be sent back to Denver, because you're not qualified to go yes. So the next thing Mabry was, there was a requirement that you have certain immunizations, and nobody had documentation, and most people didn't keep up with like tetanus. I mean, we're medical people, and we weren't doing that. So the unit that was one of the things I learned, and really focused on making sure that I had that prepared. And when the general's office came back down from Salt Lake to Denver and inspected the unit, they were really pleased that we now had our books in order. So it was still peace time kind of thing, but it was important, because five years later, so about 219, 95 if you remember, the Bosnian war happened, and a lot of especially our nursing staff, were sent to lunch dual, along with a few physicians, but mainly nursing. But every one of those individuals was ready. They had all their documentation in order. So that's why I kind of stressed that part of it pay attention to detail and and army standards, and then. So about two years later, then I was asked to be the commander of the 5502, and it was very interesting. We had drill Saturday and Sunday. Sunday evening, I was informed by the commander I was going to be the new commander. I would get a call from the general to congratulate me on Monday, I was so anxious. Anyhow, I missed the call on Monday. He left a message, I'll call you on Tuesday. I didn't get a call on Tuesday because Tuesday was 911 I got a call on Wednesday, get your unit ready for war, and I was just now in a real panic. So again, getting back to these readiness standards, the unit really hadn't been to the field for any length of time. They had not fired a weapon in about 15 years. So. So I found out the hard way. Although we worked it, if you wanted for the reserve, if you wanted ammunition to go to the field, that was fine. You had to request it 12 months in advance. I took command formally in November to go to the field in June. That was not 12 months in advance, but we we found some ammunition, and we did this, and our scores were terrible. And I was okay with that, because the goal was the barrel goes down range. So we did safety barrel downrange if you hit the target. That was a bonus. The next year, they had to hit the target. But the first year, I mean, these people were bad, these doctors and nurses they couldn't shoot. So anyhow, we really did that, and really focused on all that book work that I was sharing with you. And by June, we were mobilizing your grandfather and the head nurse, nursing, senior nurse. We were mobilizing people to go all around the world, whether it was to Germany or to Iraq or to Afghanistan or to Kosovo or wherever. But we did not have because we paid attention to that detail. Not a single one of the 250 plus soldiers we mobilize over six years, none of them were returned as not ready to go. So that would be one of the things to encourage. Regardless of what your rank is, you're responsible for a certain level of paperwork, readiness standards. So I would really stress that part, so put that Oh, the other thing is legitimate training, so you are going to be active duty on the reserve side. After Desert Storm, there was a realization we have all these great medics, Army medics, we should make sure they have some medical training after Desert Storm so they're better prepared. So they arranged with the Denver VA for the medics to come over on Saturday and Sunday and learn some medical skills. Well, Mabry, these medical skills included taking blood pressures, taking temperatures, bringing in the food for the meals, changing beds, maybe walking a disabled bed around the hall. And these are old guys, mostly. Anyway, I got there and said, There's no way a medic is an e4 and e5 whatever is going to go to Iraq or Afghanistan, and just take temperatures and blood pressures and provide them a lunch meal or any that's just not going to happen. So we totally change track, a training agreement. We'll put it that way, not a contract, but a training agreement with Denver Health, which is a trauma center. Denver Health operates their surgery suites on Saturdays and Sundays, and their emergency room is busy seven days a week, so I assigned my nursing leadership to oversee the training in the emergency room and in the surgery suites, and all of a sudden you have all these medics totally excited that now they're seeing blood. They're dealing with broken bones, they're dealing with like heart attacks or car crashes for them, it was now real, and that paid off tremendously. I had a command meeting so the general and all of us who were commanders under him, how are you preparing your readiness? And I shared this story, and he mandated that the other commanders go look for their trauma centers, not nursing homes, not VAs look for real trauma centers. So my point in sharing all of this is making sure all of your people meet readiness standards. Now, in your case is active duty, you're most likely going to be assigned to a hospital or a clinic somewhere, and I'll just share a story when your grandfather and I would go to Hawaii for our two week thing. I got to know a couple of the psychiatrists, and one guy is from Denver, and he retired from the Army after 25 years, also a colonel my age, and moved back to Denver. He spent 25 years in the active duty Army at I can't believe this at Tripler, which is unheard of number one, but he only spent one week in the field. His entire time was never deployed. He never fired. He fired a weapon once in 25 Years. I mean, so from your perspective, you know, if you're assigned to a hospital, we'll say Tripler or Landstuhl, or wherever, Walter Reed, you know, try to make sure you get for yourself. And ideally, if you have some younger people enlisted people under you make sure you keep that kind of readiness available, because if there is a war, you're not going to go to Tripler. You may as an active duty person, but I told my reservists who thought we would go to Tripler, said we're not going to Tripler. You know, out of those 250 people, two went to Tripler, two surgeons, and that was it. Everybody else went to Iraq, Afghanistan, the Balkans and certainly launch tool, which was a big trauma center at the time. So that's a little bit of the command of the 5502, now, the other thing you would ask one of your questions about deployments. I did deployments as did your grandfather, and both he and I did Desert Storm, and we were both. I was assigned to Fitzsimmons as a psychiatrist for six months, your grandfather went to Tripler, really, as a pediatrician for six months adolescent medicine. So that was my first taste of the real army. And I learned a lot from that as to procedures, how you do things and learn. Now, remember, in psychiatry, we also had to be very actively involved in fitness for duty. So if an individual had a psychiatry condition that just didn't meet army standards, we had to do all the paperwork and evaluation to discharge them. Your grandfather didn't have to do that kind of stuff. So it's a little different in that regard. I just wanted to share that part so that was Fitzsimmons. And then in 2004 I was supposed to go to Germany for a mobilization for 100 days. And at the very last minute, it was changed. I was going to Kosovo, which was at that time a combat theater. I'll skip, it's very interesting, but I'll skip kind of all the details of it. But the reason I was sent to Kosovo is the psychiatrist who was there. The the medical team was very small. The physician team only six physicians. I was the only psychiatrist. The psychiatrist. I was replacing a psychiatrist. The day I got there in Kosovo, he was arrested, and he was sent to Germany for evaluation. This guy was a senior Army physician, psychiatrist. The army didn't pay attention to all of this readiness standard that I said they found out after the fact, because he had done a lot of things that made no sense in a combat theater, as far as caring for soldiers. And so they started investigating and found out he had job, he had licensure applications in about 20 of the 50 states. Doctors don't do that, and he was turned down by several and Nevada is the one that caught on. There's something very wrong with this guy, but the army didn't follow up on any of this kind of stuff. And that gets back to the following up on licensure and readiness and all of that kind of stuff and practice. They had found out the psychiatrist really hadn't practiced psychiatry for years in the 5502, I found out a couple of like a surgeon hadn't practiced surgery for years, but he was on the surgery roster. Well, he's not mobilizable Some of my senior, wonderful RNs, had different kinds of jobs, like school nurse, or one was doing administrative work. Well, you're not mobilizable Because they need you to practice nursing skills at the bedside, that level of investment. So again, that gets part goes back a little bit to readiness. Let's see. Then I came back, and then two years later, Germany lands, dual, fabulous time. But the difference was, land really taught me a couple of things. One was watch till hit all the trauma cases. When I was in Kosovo, I didn't see the trauma cases so much. Guys would break their leg playing basketball or, you know, something like that. A young person got hit by one of the army. Trucks and got a broken leg. I mean, that's the kind of stuff we were doing. It was important stuff, but you didn't see any like gunshot wounds or anything like that. What you learn in launch tool is really how to take care of the full person, the full soldier, sailor, airman has Trent in terms of what their experience is and one of the key things I learned at launch tool was also to be aware that all of these people had a family somewhere, and to find out what was going on with the family. That was very important, from my perspective,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=23.0,1536.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: let's see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=1537.0,1538.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And that was probably that was harder than being in a combat theater doing launch tool. To be perfectly honest, two years later, I did find myself in Iraq, 2008 and it was the same thing taking care of psychiatry patients, the trauma patients, though, were evacuated so quickly. I mean, we had people with gunshot wounds and explosive injuries, but they were sent to Germany to launch dual so fast, like within 24 hours. So I didn't see a whole lot of that. That was, that was very good. The See, the thing about Iraq that I also wanted to share was the Army made a major, major shift in caring for the soldier, all ranks. And what I mean by that is when I first joined, you could have you could go to any army base and you had a hospital, and that they took care of the patients. If they had a psychiatric hospital or clinic, it was in a separate building a long way away from the hospital, and that was part of the stigma, where they were way off in this other world, so to speak. And the the non medical military, you know, if you had an e5 and his platoon out in the field, and you know, one of the enlisted had had some depression or, you know, gone through some family stuff and had a psychiatry outpatient visit. They would try and talk them out and go on to that all the time. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. We can't operate this if you're having a psychiatry clinic visit. So the inventions, great thing about the military is they took those clinics, psychiatry clinics, and moved them back to the hospital, so that if a soldier said, I have to go for my medical check, they could also do their site check at the same time. So that was a real innovative thing at the time. The other thing the military noticed is the suicide rate was going up. So they really got into the decreasing the stigma. And by the time I got to Iraq in 2008 there were posters all over all of these military bases, whether they were in Iraq or in Germany. That and the phrases were, don't leave a buddy behind. That was one phrase. Another one was something to the effect of, I've got your back. That was all that take care of the entire soldier, not just the training how to shoot the weapon, but also them as an individual and their family. So that's part of what was really neat, was this evolution that was taking place. I wanted to share that with you. And then I had one other mobilization in 2009 and that was to Fort Hood, Texas. And that was a short one about 10 days or so, and that was the result of, I don't know if you remember this, a psychiatrist, army psychiatrist, committed a mass shooting at the mobilization station there killed several people. He is on death row. It's been years, but he's on death row for this. The thing about this man is he was very opposed to military us actions in Afghanistan. He was of, I'll just call it Middle Eastern. I'm not sure if he was Arabic or Afghan heritage. He was Islam Islamic. There were warning signs in his training, and the senior leadership didn't pay attention to that. I mean, he had to present a grand rounds, and he presented an anti US involvement in Afghanistan to his. Military colleagues. I mean, that's a warning. Something's wrong. You don't do that kind of thing. So anyhow, my my thought to share with you about that is, again, going back to listening what is going on with the people that you're in charge of, whether they're enlisted or junior officer. I mean, you will become a captain, a major or whatever, but pay attention to those people, so that if they are struggling with something that's going on, you know, you can be of help to them. And some specific examples, very early on, homosexuality was not allowed. Then Bill Clinton said, Don't Ask, Don't Tell. But still, people were if they made any comment, they were immediately kicked out. And now today, the issue is, if you are trans, you're going to be kicked out. And I found in all of my military experience. I've worked with lots of gay people. I've worked with lots of LGBT people in the military, and they were all very professional and and did their job, and it all worked out. So that's my observation and perspective on that particular thing. But you may find, as I did one of the E fours that I still remember, came to see me, and part of what interfered with his medical care was he was gay, and he was afraid if he the gay part was interfering with part of his job. It's a long story, but he was afraid if he told me that I would kick him out. And I just finally figured out, oh, that's what he's struggling with. And I just said to him, I know there's this rule, but if you're gay, I'm not going to say a thing about it, because I don't care. So let's move on. And we did. So I don't want you to break rules. I sort of broke a rule, but, you know, just be cognizant. Let's see after so 2010 is when I retired. So at 2829 years doing this, you ask in one of your things. So those are my deployments. That was one thing you asked. The other you asked about any advice for incoming people. Here some advice that, as I reflect on things, both from an active duty as well as reserve side of things, is take it, take advantage of all the schools that are offered, and even ask for schools that you know maybe you're saying an oh three, and this is really meant for Oh fours, but see if you can get in anyway. They'll do that because the more of those schools you can attend, one you get to interface with a lot of other people, but you learn so much that you can take back as a leader. The other thing Mabry that I had to learn the hard way when I took command of that psychiatry unit after Desert Storm. It was so small that we were slowly building it, and I finally had an e5 NCO. He was the NCO for the unit. Again, we were only 20 people. He finally took me aside and defined for me, sir, you are the officer. You plan things. I am the NCO. I execute the things. So basically, stay in your lane. You're micromanaging. You're in my lane. He was very polite about it, and I was very receptive to listening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=1539.0,2028.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=2029.0,2032.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: your army listen to your NCOs, they'll share knowledge with you and remember, stay in your lane kind of thing that was probably one of the most helpful things that I found. And I went, Hmm, okay. Now, the other thing that was very rewarding in your day, your grandfather did this, I did this, is if we we paid attention to all ranks. We didn't stay in our officer office. We mingled with all of the soldiers. And we were able to, by doing that, identify if somebody was struggling, like with a family issue or a child issue, or, you know, I'm having marital problems. I don't think I can do this mobilization to Iraq for a year. You know, your grandfather and I would work with that soldier, and at times, we would say to the higher command, this guy's not ready, or this lady, woman is not ready, let's use this person and. And they would okay, just along we have a person, but that getting to know who your your troops are, and if there's an issue going on. The other thing I found useful, and this will be true for you. Certainly starting out, you will be in front of a formation, you know, it might start off as a small formation by the as a colonel, I had 200 in my or 250 in my formation. But if, as we were getting the formation set up, and while everybody was still chit chatting, the program hadn't started yet, I just go around and shake hands with a bunch of the NCOs, or a bunch of the soldiers, how you doing? But I just picked people at random, and I was, it was very, very well received. And a general, Dave Irvine, who you may have heard about, maybe Madam, he taught me that, and he would come out to inspect the unit. I thought he wanted to talk to me. He wanted to go mingle with the E fours and the E threes and the E fives and sixes. And then he talked to a couple of the, you know, oh, twos. And then he talked to me so but I learned from that that this really got everybody on the same page. The other thing is that I wanted to stress is, as we were talking about earlier, is maintaining standards, whether it's the bookkeeping, like I said, but also, as an example, being willing to collect data if you see a problem. And so for me, I took command of the 5502, and there was a problem. There was an e6 laboratory specialist, and she was very good at her job, a woman, and she's Caucasian. And what she was doing was there would be these junior African American enlisted, and she would get to know them and then start to seduce them, inappropriately, off, off the post and and then she would file a legal complaint on the on the civilian side. Well, everybody's going well, her military MOS is so important, we can't get rid of her. And I said, Well, yes, we can. And I explained to the general, this is what she is doing, and she is destroying morale in her section, and especially in our African American part of our command. And he said, You're right. And so, so I paid attention to rules, and I made my case, because I was asked I was kicking her out of the Army, and it was a very valuable MOS as to why, and I had to defend it. And when I laid it out, he goes, You're absolutely right. So my key points are, make sure you have your information. Make sure you have data. And when the general asked me, Do you have any data that she's doing this, I said, as a matter of fact, I went, I had one of my soldiers dressed in her her civilian attire, the personnel sergeant. I had her go to the police station, where this person near where the person lived, and she got a ream of a computer paper full of these charges that she'd filed against all these people. I mean, it was close to 400 pages worth of documentation of her sexually inappropriate behavior on the civilian side that was effect, but she was doing it with military people, so got her kicked out. The other thing is that's very, very important as you move up in the leadership, and you're going to start off as a very junior officer, if you have someone reporting to you who really should be recognized with some sort of commendation award, or, you know, Achievement Award. Make sure you do that. Don't wait for somebody higher up to do it. Tell your you know you're starting off as a lieutenant. Tell your captain or tell your major, you know, boy e5, so and so is just doing this outstanding job. And here are some data points. Did this? Did this also takes care of kids in the community and is volunteering in this the army school, you know, have all of this data lined up, and then say, I would like to recognize this. And it goes. Over really well being able to do that. So I would advocate that you do that, and then I would also really be aware, because you'll be, for example, right now, you'll be in Germany, and some of these people won't have their family in Germany. They might just be there, like the physicians for 100 day rotation and stuff. So if there is some kind of a family issue going on, you know, at least refer them to somebody who might be able to help them out with it. So that's really winded, but that's my kind of life story. I really enjoyed the army. It is not for everybody. I get that you have to have a degree of kind of, what I call in psychiatry, obsessive compulsive style, things neat, you're pretty organized. You're paying attention to the ranks below you and the ranks above you and that kind of thing. So I really enjoyed it. And like I said, it's not for everybody, and I'm fine with that, but if you're invested in it, it can be extremely rewarding, I think. So what else can I answer for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=2033.0,2479.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Absolutely no thank you. I appreciate you giving all that information and sharing all of that and I love it, because I think I'm learning more about you and what you did little more than what I had. So I um, do you feel that there are like, now that you've kind of been out for, you know, couple years now, do you feel that there's like, do you feel that there's resources for veterans? Do you feel like there's ways to kind of like, you know, help them feel like they have a place to belong, like a community, something like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=2480.0,2520.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: You know, you're speaking to a very, very good point. And that's another one of those evolution kinds of things. And what I mean by that, specifically, is, after Vietnam, all of the veterans felt really discouraged and disparaged. So I went to medical school, as I mentioned, and one of the guys, a good friend of mine, was four years older than me. He had been in the Air Force during the Vietnam time. He didn't tell anybody about it, because of the negative impact that the Vietnam War had, and he was now going to be associated with the military. So he didn't say a thing about it. We talked about it later, but he didn't, you know, he didn't say a thing. What I really noticed, especially after Desert Storm, the American public began to realize there's no draft, and the vast majority of us have not served, and we need to be cognizant and recognize those who are willing to do it, of all ranks and and of all Moses, not just, you know, the infantry or the armor guys, but the nursing people, the veterinary people, the the legal people, the logistics People, they really were recognizing everybody and as time progressed, you know, they used to just recognize, or really say glowing things about those who went to Afghanistan or Iraq or someplace like that. I have been finding that there's more we're going to recognize everybody, even people who didn't go to the combat theaters. And they're doing that. So that part is positive. The part that's not good is the demand. Because the demands placed on military people of all ranks, the demands are tremendous. And as a result of that, and and some of the deployments, you know, I had enlisted people in Iraq who would serve for 12 months in Iraq go home for 12 months of arduous duty to prepare for the next 12 months. So they're Iraq, 12 months home, 12 months Iraq, 12 months home, 12 months and that was really wearing on them. And from a psychiatry standpoint, the result has been that the rate of suicide and suicide attempts at all ranks and at all MLS is has gone up tremendously. So the United States as a population, you know, all of us, the rate is about 14 per 100,000 commit suicide Colorado, I hate to tell you, maybe is 24 per 100,000 but that being that, but the military. Areas up there in the mid 20s, when I when your grandfather and I joined the Army Reserve, it was 10 per 100,000 it was peace time, and so it wasn't really that stressful. So I've seen that change. What is concerning to me right now is the way. Well, two things. One of the problems from the National Guard and the reserve side is a lot of those individuals live in like here in Colorado, in rural communities, so they have limited access to military VA, type of care. The government has made it possible that they can start getting care from private providers. So you're here in Colorado, Crested Butte. You know, Crested Butte? Well, there's no va. You're there, but there are military people, there, retirees, whatever they can start accessing that medical care in Crested Butte, rather than drive all the way to Denver or to Colorado Springs to get VA care. So that's one part, is the individuals who are in the more rural communities. The other thing is some of these cuts for VA hospitals and clinics, outpatient clinics have been such that it's very hard to get appointments in a timely fashion. So that's a challenge on the on the VA side, the other is because of the cuts certain people, although you're eligible, you're not eligible. So an example being, I'll use your grandfather as an example, served 20 some years, and he's an oh six, but he's technically by paperwork. He's eligible for care there, but because of the demand and because he has Medicare, you know, they just tell him to go to see a private practitioner. In my case, the same is true. The one thing that's different for me by having gone to Iraq, I was in one of those areas where they had burn pits where they were burning all the plastic water bottles, and it was open air burn pit, and it was all over the base. And so I got an exposure to these toxins. So when I left Iraq, I was given a piece of paper. If you have any respiratory problems, this paper guarantees you 10% disability go to the VA. So I've got that different kind of thing. It's weird, but, you know, it is what it is. So part of my concern Mabry, is the VA. Are we going to be funding this enough? I think we're doing the right thing for as a society and supporting these people, what we're doing incorrectly is some of the individuals, mostly, vast majority, are junior enlisted. They do their two to four years. They get out. And maybe Iraq or Afghanistan was too hard, or maybe they had some other difficulties, or maybe they got released early. They're still a veteran, but they were kind of kicked out. The number of them that are homeless and with serious substance use disorders is a major issue that both the active side and the reserve side, and the I'll call it civilian side, now that they're back in the civilian sector, all of these components need to be looking at this. It is serious. In my experience at Denver Health as the chair of the psychiatry department, I was also responsible for the psychiatry care at the Denver city and county jail, and I met so many veterans there who would it would be like they're they're destitute, they're on the street. They go into a 711 and they steal a can of Coke, and now they're in jail. And you know, they don't need to be there. They need to be they need to have a different kind of social support network, and that's a gap right now that we're not doing very well. So keeping people housed so they're not homeless and on the street, keeping them out of jail. They don't need to be there because the vast majorities are jaywalking. Yeah, it's a repeat offense. So you get 30 days. I mean, really, that kind of thing. The other is they need support, because some of them don't have the wherewithal. You're, you've been prescribed a medication. You're now on the streets. You need to be involved in this clinic to get your medication. So we need to make sure they're, if they're supposed to get a medication, that they're getting it, whether it's a medical condition, psychiatry condition, substance use disorder, condition, whatever. I think, the other issue that I observed, both in my jail work as well as hospital work, is there were a lot of and my mother was one of them, tremendous women who served in the military, but I've been very cognizant of the number who've been the victims of physical abuse, sexual abuse, whatever, and that needs to stop, and we need to really put programs into effect that take care of that, but we also then need to make sure we're taking care of those individuals. That's been a passion of mine for a long time, because these people, very honor. I mean, some of the best people I've worked with, and some of them were my commanders. But anyhow, so that's my other so those are things from a veteran standpoint, that are things that at that I see. So the the homelessness, the substance use disorder and the jail part those, I think, are current issues that we need to address. They're doing better with the rural people by allowing them to access private practitioners. So it's been this evolving thing. In the old days, you would just have to drive the 100 miles to Denver to get you care. So, made no sense, and so they just would do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=2521.0,3104.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, yeah, mostly with it getting more populous, populated that big, bigger issue. That's good. No, awesome. Um, I think you like nailed all my points, all my questions. I'm trying to think,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3105.0,3123.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, those are the ones that you sent me. And yeah, I hope that helps give an idea. It's been an evolution, yeah. And one of the things maybe to appreciate is, when it comes to evolution, the US military is a step ahead of the US population. Now an example of real, blatant example. It's 1946, World War Two is over. Harry Truman is president, and he mandates that all branches of the US military be integrated so World War Two and back, you had black units and white units. He mandated, no, they're going to be integrated. He got pushback from a lot of people, but it's integrated, and you will find it's worked extremely well. The US population didn't integrate schools until, like, the 60s and 70s, and, you know, an African American or Hispanic male or female wanting to apply to nursing school. Good luck. But now there's more of a chance to do this, and it's because of the US military mandating we're going to do this, and it's worked out. So it's been a model for the rest of the country. So just be aware, you're kind of on a cutting edge socially for the country in doing this back with previous presidents, Republican and Democrat, who were really working with, for example, integrating the gay individual into the military and finding out this isn't a big deal. The US population sort of like not everybody, but the majority was like, you're gay. Okay, so move on. So again, that's another example of the military being a step ahead of the population. So you're kind of on a cutting edge in that regard. Don't just know they thought,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3124.0,3252.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I mean, it's exciting to kind of be part","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3253.0,3254.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: of, oh, it is. I hear that. Yes, absolutely it is. I would do it over again, yeah, for sure, absolutely, absolutely do it for sure. The one thing, and because it was not stressed when I was young, it will be stressed with you as a youngster is to take advantage of those schools that I mentioned. When Ron and I joined the Army Reserve. As a doctor, you could get promoted just by showing up and staying in after Desert Storm. You can get promoted if you complete these certain training programs. Your grandfather and I did that, and we got promoted to Colonel. But not everybody did it and then. You make it so take advantage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3255.0,3303.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Do you feel like there's other opportunities that you had in the military that have, like, just kind of like, benefited everything overall, besides those trainings,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3304.0,3313.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: you bring up a very good point. Um, have I? Let me just share so I was the head of psychiatry at Denver Health. Mm hmm, civilian role. I had a woman. She became was one of my trainees. She was fabulous. I hired her as an inpatient psychiatrist. She eventually moved home to Texas with her husband and her little two little kids. She's on the faculty down there at the University of Texas San Antonio, she gets in touch with me and says, I'm ready for promotion from assistant to associate professor. Can you share with me that's going to require more leadership? Can you share with me where you learned leadership skills? And I was very honest and direct. I said, in medical school, you learn nothing. In residency, you learn very little unless you were the chief resident, and then you learned a little bit more than very little when you're on the faculty, and learned a little bit more. But I said the army forced me to learn how to be a leader, because if I didn't step it up and do the schools and pay attention to, you know, all of the readiness standards or all these other standards, I wasn't going to make it. And so I did it, and that's what allowed me to progress and become a more effective leader with these different units, as I was sharing with you, when you're in command of an Army Reserve unit, you're a commander for two years, three at the max. I was seven years in that psychiatry unit. I was seven years in the 5502, and it just the commanders were saying, This guy is just so efficient in making sure that none of these people. They're all mobilizable assets. So that's kind of what kept me there, kind of thing. So I would say the leadership skills you learn here in the army will really pay off when you leave the military, or if you leave after, we'll say, 10 years and take a civilian position. Those skills nobody gets in the civilian sector, I can assure you of that. I've seen that time and again. So that's why I say in stress, take advantage of all these things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3314.0,3455.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Absolutely. Does that help? Yes, it does very wonderful. So helpful. And it's nice to talk as someone like coming from, like, the medical field as well, because I feel like, again, we talk a lot about the combat vets and, you know, they are important, but also, too, it's like, That's not mine. That will not be my job moving forward so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3456.0,3475.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: well. The other thing that was exciting about the military is that on the medical side, you had to and you did work as a team. There was a rank structure, yes, there was a professional structure, yes. But you know, on the civilian side, and I'm old school, so is your grandfather, especially old school where the doctors were kings and everybody else was not in the military, not so much. There's still some of them, but not to the same degree at all. And so my experience, like at launch stool, you know, boy, I was seeing all these trauma cases from a psychiatry standpoint. But I was talking to all those surgeons and all and we would round as a team on these trauma cases. And boy, the nursing input, the OT input, the PT input, everybody had an equal voice in this. Yes, the head surgeon had to make a decision, okay, we will fly back to the States tomorrow instead of the day after tomorrow. They would have to make that decision. But, you know, they had to have all the input from everybody. And that's one of the other things that I really enjoyed about the military, was the teamwork,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3476.0,3559.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: that kind of thing. So I think you're in a good spot and you're going to really love","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3560.0,3564.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: launch tool. I'm very excited.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3565.0,3566.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, a quick","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3567.0,3568.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: question, launch tool is launch tool? It's now on the Ramstein base. But is it as hospital that still says launch tool, Army Medical Center, or have they changed the name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3569.0,3578.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I think it's now Regional Medical Center, okay, Army, so, yeah, it's LRMC now. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3579.0,3585.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: okay, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3586.0,3586.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: believe I could be wrong. I've done like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3587.0,3591.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: this much research. Well, I'm going to be in touch with you while you're over there, just to catch up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3592.0,3597.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Do it? Do. It I will, yeah, like, I don't know what to do. I need to give me a cool place to go, or something","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=3598.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3  1:0: coolers. There's, oh, there's so much to see, but we'll talk about that later.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=60.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: Um, yeah, that's all I have for you. Thank you. Okay, so much for taking time out of your day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=60.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: Oh, you bet it's just a pleasure to share kind of my life experience with it and my pride that our military has really taken the initiative to advance things that benefit everybody, and it's a much more effective force now that you know, if you join, you're a volunteer, and you know what the pluses and minuses are? You're going to be sent to Germany for six months or 12 months, or whatever. So yeah, if you didn't want to do that, don't sign up. And yes, you have to run two miles twice a year, or whatever it is. Now,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=60.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: fine. Um, so yeah, thank you. I'm gonna go ahead and stop the recording. Sure it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=60.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:0: about that time I'm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815#t=61.0,63.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153720/file/282815/transcript/81685/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/081/685/original/azu_ms835-048_a.vtt?1752610949","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/081/685/original/azu_ms835-048_a.vtt?1752610949"}]}]}]}