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I'm Kent Rollins, director of the Arizona Alumni Association. Today's program is about how the University of Arizona spends your money. Recently, there's been a lot of discussion that pitted teaching against research. Today we're going to talk on that issue with two University of Arizona professors who had some real strong feelings about it. Later on, we'll be talking about people helping people when our guests will be a member of the Hispanic alumni scholarship committee. Right now, let me introduce you to Professor Gerald green, and adelle Barker. Professor green is director of the Near East center. And Professor Barker is an associate professor of Russian. Welcome to both of you. Great to be with Thank you. There's a kind of a hot debate going on in the state right now. Research versus teaching. The governor has expanded on it. Niels ASIMO was quoted in a recent article on campus, and he said, what is it that our professors do? And I thought that might be a very appropriate thing for us to address tonight. And, and I'd like to get both of you just respond to that, if you would, what is it that you do? How do you spend your time? Do you want to lead off?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=63.0,129.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think we spend our time in a variety of ways. First of all, teaching is a fraction of what we do. Depending on who we are, we have either a two or three course load per semester, I spend my time teaching, I spend my time doing research, I spend my time doing an inordinate amount of administrative work, writing grant proposals, all of this in in a given week. Jerry?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=130.0,161.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think first and foremost, we are teachers. I mean, the customers of the enterprise in which we work are the students and we're paid by you by the people of Arizona. But Adele is quite right. In addition to teaching, we have a variety of other obligations. As well, I think that it did very much as a function of field and certainly in the field of Middle Eastern Studies, things are changing so rapidly that we have to spend a good bit of time keeping up with events and transmitting these changes to our students. There are a variety of ways in which we teach, in addition to being in the classroom, supervising research, involvement with graduate students counseling, or giving public lectures appearing on television, these are all forms of teaching transmission of knowledge. And that's our business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=162.0,209.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Be specific, if you can in terms of the relation to your time, is it 50% teaching 50% research? Is it some other formula?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=210.0,218.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, it really it depends on who you are. And it depends on what priorities you specifically assigned to each one of these are. Now if you're involved in a very important research project, it's going to be inevitable that you're going to devote more of that time in a given semester or in a given year to that than you might otherwise. You don't want a situation though, in which you are doing more teaching, than allows you to do a decent amount of research because Jerry is right. In our two fields, which are quickly changing one's the Soviet Union today, my gosh, if you if you miss reading the paper for one day, you may miss some extraordinary change that has taken place in undergrad a bunch of it's, I cannot think of a time since I've been in this field, when it is is as crucial to keep up and to do research and to bring the results of that research into the classroom.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=219.0,276.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay. Jerry, the if someone says to you, I think that as a taxpayer, I want to demand that you as a teacher spend the majority of your time in the classroom with students who are consumers. Do you agree Do you disagree? What Adele just said I would, I would say no cuz she's she's qualifying it depending on the room. Search somebody.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=277.0,300.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Again, I think I'm also a tax payer. So why I look at this not only as an as an employee, but somebody who supports the system. Assuming that were the case, we would be designing a university, which is dramatically different than the universities, the state universities of California, New Mexico, Nevada and every other state in the union. If there are people in Arizona that would like to create a unique system of Arizona education, that's fine. I suspect that that's not the case. I think that President Koffler put it quite well, that you need to do research in order to have something to teach. I think in my field, much of the time I spent on airplanes going to Washington being a consultant to the State Department, being a consultant to the Department of Defense is absolutely essential to to maintain the high quality teaching to which we're we're committed. I would also add, and this is something that's not well known is that the Center for Middle Eastern Studies Near East Center at the University of Arizona, is funded by not by the people of Arizona, it's funded by the Department of Education in Washington. The reason that we are given well over $100,000 a year is because we teach Well, it's a it's a grant, which is specifically used for the teaching of Middle Eastern Studies. There are 12 universities in the country that get them. The people of Arizona are lucky enough that one of them is here, and the others are at places like Harvard, Princeton, Michigan, and so forth. If they would like us not to accept this money and to to spend more time in the classroom. I would be rather surprised it doesn't make much sense. It's not smart economics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=301.0,397.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, it, let's take a break, and we'll come back and talk a little bit more about how you fund your research and how you do it. Please stay with us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=398.0,435.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome back to Arizona alumni forum. I'm Kent Rollins, and my guests today are Dr. Gerald green, and Dr. Adel Barker, we're talking about research versus teaching at the institution. Adele Jerry just said that most of his research money comes from the federal government, about your research money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=436.0,451.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, half and half, the University of Arizona has been very generous to me, providing me with travel grants, which have enabled me to go back and forth to the Soviet Union. And given the nature of my research, it's imperative that I do that at least once a year. There are a limited number of agencies that fund Soviet work. I'm also funded this summer by the Social Sciences Research Council. So I am not dependent merely on your raise money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=452.0,479.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay. But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=480.0,481.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Jerry said one thing that the funds that I'm referring to are not for research, these are funds, which are used to hire people to teach students at the University of Arizona, we fund someone to teach Persian language, we fund someone to teach some anthropology, we funded political science. So these are funds that are not used for for producing scholarly monographs. These are funds that are used to teach our own students, undergraduates,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=482.0,506.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: yeah, we've got the same sort of thing. We've got a grant from the Department of Education for undergraduate International Programs. And these are used to fund people to teach courses which otherwise would not be taught courses that the U of A would would not fund.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=507.0,523.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: See how you whether you agree or disagree with this. If there's a professor who was doing some research, and they're about to discover the cure for cancer, should they be made to go in and teach a freshman student in chemistry or biology or whatever they might be a professor, someone that's on the verge of a major breakthrough in new knowledge? Should they be in a classroom as well? I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=524.0,548.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that they should be. I think that and I think that in many instances these people are I know that that many of the people doing scientific research that are the absolute cutting edge of the field physicians, for example, work with interns, they work with residents, they're teaching other more junior physicians, the type of skills that they need to do that sort of research. I think that that it's absolutely essential that everybody teach, I think that we might proportional eyes it a little bit, I think that certain people might be freed from certain teaching responsibilities in order to in order to pursue their research and vice versa. There are the functional equivalent of winning the rose ball in academics, heart transplants, astronomy, certain things in Russian studies. For example, I mean, there are a variety The things which are just like winning rose bowls that get into the pages of the New York Times and contribute mightily to the reputation of the university and the state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=549.0,609.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It turns out that I think a few years ago, one of the faculties in the College of Arts and Sciences, the faculty of social and behavioral sciences, started research professorship, and this has given, you know, every semester to somebody who is on the cutting edge of research who needs to be freed from classroom duties. And so, you know, in cases like that, where they're just on the edge of of getting something out, then they will be freed. But on the other hand, I mean, it's a kind of symbiotic relationship you have, you cannot go off into a closet someplace and create, I mean, because we have, we have taxpayers here, we have students to whom we are responsible, I think we owe them the fruits of our research.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=610.0,650.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Let's turn it around to Dell and say that we've got a great teacher recognized by students is outstanding, should we make that person do research?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=651.0,660.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You're just talking about my department, we have a famous case, which has been going on for four years. I think that's a very, very tricky one. Let me say that in the field of language training, the responsibilities of somebody who's head of a language program are unlike the responsibilities that other professors have, the kind of research they produce is very different. I do not believe that those people should be judged by the same criterion, I do not think that they should have to produce on the same level as, as others. Do you agree with that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=661.0,696.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think language teaching is is is a very specialized skill. And it's not necessarily one doesn't have to be do research, I would argue that one cannot be a an effective and inspirational teacher if one isn't an active researcher, because if they're not actively involved in their field, they have no knowledge to transmit. And the enthusiasm will be rather artificial, because they don't have anything to be enthusiastic about because they're not part of the process by which their field is advanced. Research is not simply a luxury, it's a necessity. By any definition, a good university, or an excellent University has a mixture of research and teaching. There is no such thing about a university. There's no such thing as a successful University in which research is discouraged simply doesn't exist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=697.0,744.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I would add to that, that the university I attended as an undergraduate, I took an English course there in my sophomore year, along with 500 other students that was taught by one of the most prominent critics in the field, and it very much molded, who I am today. And what I decided to go into that university, which was very enlightened, made it a point of putting people who were on the cutting edge of research, not only in the classroom, but in the classroom with undergraduates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=745.0,777.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, we'll come back in just a minute and talk a little bit more about research versus teaching. Please stay with us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=778.0,809.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What's up, guys?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=810.0,813.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=814.0,816.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome back to Arizona alumni forum. I'm Kent Rollins, and with me are Dr. Adel Barker, and Dr. Gerald green. We're talking about research and teaching, in tenure, in tenure decisions for faculty, which is more important research or teaching in your mind's eye, though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=817.0,838.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Both are important. The problem at this university is that the university has gone on record, saying that they do acknowledge and reward good teaching. In point of fact, I've not really seen that happen. I would say that I've seen people get tenure, who are very good researchers and not good teachers, whereas the reverse is not the case. I think the university has to do some very, very hard thinking about where they really stand on this matter. I think good teaching should be rewarded. At the moment. It","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=839.0,871.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: is not. Okay. Jerry?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=872.0,873.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, again, I would argue I it's hard for me to imagine someone who's a good teacher who's not a good researcher. I think that that one necessarily follows. One has to be be active in one's field in order to be an effective teacher in terms of tenure decisions. It's very idiosyncratic. It depends on the department. Depends on the field, depends on on the college and so forth. In political scientists, which is my home department, it's important to be a good researcher. It's also important to to be an effective teacher. But research is considered more important. This is the way universities in this country are designed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=874.0,913.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Once once you've completed a particular research project, How heavy is the emphasis to then publish? And why would you want to publish?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=914.0,922.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think publication shows that one is is part of a of the intellectual mainstream in their field, there is very little intellectual effort, which is done in isolation. No one is an intellectual Island. It's particularly important in Arizona, because we're somewhat at a distance from the major intellectual cities as centers of the rest of the country. And I think publication is an important way to to, to keep in contact with one's field again, and publishing something in a major journal is our Rose Bowl. And in a sense, I'm not a big fan of football, but we're not in the football business. We're in the education business. And certainly the educational equivalent of that is writing in research, it's very important to open up a journal and see Professor so and so University of Arizona or Arizona State or whatever,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=923.0,973.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you're talking mainly then a prestige level. What about the verification process? Adel? When you put out something new that you've discovered, or a theory that you're working on? What amount of interaction then comes from your peers that are looking at the same thing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=974.0,991.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: it's, it's very important, first of all, to submit your project, if it's an article, for example, to a nationally established, or internationally established journal, because what you do you get very, very good critiques from your colleagues before the piece is ever published. And before you sit there with mud on your face, you get some, you know, some very, very good feedback. And it also, I would like to reiterate what Jerry said, sitting out here in relative isolation, we're not exactly on the mainstream, you know, between the two coasts. And because we're not there, it's very, very important to keep up that contact with with people in your field and, and conferences, it helps but it doesn't always do it. And and really the thing is, is is to publish and in in reputable journals,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=992.0,1039.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: okay. Is it possible for you to give me some specific examples, I'd like to go back to the student, we've put an emphasis on the student at the institution, better undergraduate education. Can you give me some examples how maybe the students in your classes have directly benefited from your research? Jerry?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1040.0,1056.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, I talked to any of my students about Iran gate, and they will give you a more sophisticated explanation of it than anything you'll hear anywhere in the state. They're there. They're educated citizens. They're educated voters. They're discriminating. They understand how the political system works, particularly how Middle East politics works. And many of them will go on to take positions of fairly significant responsibility, either on Capitol Hill in government be at the Foreign Service at the CIA, the military, business, banking, so on and so forth. That's a direct tangible benefit from the types of things that I teach. There was an interview several weeks ago with a young man, a graduate of the University of Arizona, who is a Soviet politics specialist in the Department of State holding a rather responsible position. This is a product of his studies here in Tucson, Arizona, then there are lots of such instances.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1057.0,1118.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So you're really saying that what you're doing in the research area, you're taking right back into the classroom, and teaching that into it to the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1119.0,1126.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: student do what I do if I wasn't active. And again, I think this this notion, Someone once asked one of my children, what kind of work does your father do? And they said, he doesn't work. He sits and reads all that. There are lots of ways to dig a ditch. And I think it's absolutely essential for people to realize that when we're sitting on red ice specials to Washington, DC, from Monday morning meeting or whatever, this is part and parcel of the business in which we're in. We're not all doing the same thing. And it's it's it's essential to bring that to the classroom. Otherwise, we're shortchanging the consumers being our students and their parents who are taxpayers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1127.0,1166.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay. I hate to say it, but we're out of time. And I want to thank both of you very much for being with us and ensuring just probably the very, very tip of the iceberg on the research versus teaching. Please stay with us. We're going to talk about the Hispanic Scholarship Program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1167.0,1195.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1196.0,1198.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"The Arizona alumni forum. I'm Kent Rollins, director of the Arizona Alumni Association. With me now are Marty Cortez and Virginia Stevens, demigods. Welcome, ladies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1199.0,1209.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1210.0,1211.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think I probably have the privilege to Marty along with you of having been around at the start of the Hispanic alumni organization at the University of Arizona. And I think if you want it to characterize an organization that is very vibrant, very fast growing, in really, I think, starting to make a major impact in terms of the university and the community. It's your organization. And I think it's appropriate before we talk to Virginia about her story as a student. Tell us a little bit about this Hispanic alumni organization, how do you get started? What are you doing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1212.0,1244.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I can't I was very excited when this group started out. A group of alumni from the University of Arizona, of course, that are residents out of Tucson, in 1982. Wanting to become an active and vital part of the University of Arizona, they proposed that we become an organization recognized as part of the umbrella organization, the University of Arizona alumni. So we are part of the University of Arizona alumni. But our purpose in forming was to promote academic excellence among Hispanic students attending the University. And of course, to provide financial aid to make that possible for them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1245.0,1288.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How large membership Do you have at this point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1289.0,1291.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, now we boast over 300. They're located in all parts of the United States, they do keep in contact with us. And if possible, they reunite with us during the homecoming activities. And we've seen a lot of people that we've missed over the years, not having them in town, but they make a special effort. And many are just thrilled to death to come back and enjoy joining in activities. During the homecoming season.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1292.0,1316.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I still remember that first program, the alumni homecoming program you did at the Ramada Inn, you had a room big enough for 100. And you had about 500 people in it, including Dr. Koffler","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1317.0,1328.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: died to coffers that by and he danced a little and sang a little with us. And we were overflowing into the sidewalks. And we just had a great time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1329.0,1337.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: In addition to the homecoming program, what else have you been doing? You mentioned the scholarship program. I know you're doing some other things in the community as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1338.0,1346.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, we feel that the visibility for our Hispanic students, not only in the Tucson area, but in the state is very important. And that's one of our major goals for our students to know that we are here for them, that we will help them and direct them and guide them as well as given financial aid. It's very important for them to feel that they have a contact once they come to the University, or they have a problem that there's somebody there for them that they have met or know personally, and we try to provide them. Part of our activities, of course, in raising money is that we have to look for ways of doing that. And Bishop or Miranda has been very gracious to offer his house and grounds to be able to have a dinner in which which we hold every June. And it's been very successful. We have raised $14,000 to that activity in the two years that we've had that function, and it's a social event. And it's an event for the community to come together. And we will hope that you come this year,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1347.0,1412.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I will certainly try to do that. Why? When you set up the organization, you set it up specifically as a Hispanic alumni organization as part of the Alumni Association umbrella. Why specifically for Hispanics? Do you feel they were not represented on the campus? Or were they not involved enough? What was your reasoning for that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1413.0,1434.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, bye. I think that the reason that the group began was that years ago, when many of us attended the University of Arizona, we came from many places out of town, small towns, we did not have family here. Even those that were from the local Tucson area, did not have a contact on campus, we really didn't feel a part of the university. And even in the early days, we did begin a group which is no longer functioning at the University College universitarios to bring us together. And curiously enough, one of our activities, even back then in the 50s was to raise scholarship money, as well as provide a social outlet for our students and add support to each other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1435.0,1480.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Virginia you mentioned before we came on camera, a little bit about your story, which is really very interesting. You're one of the first recipients of the Hispanic scholarship. But tell us a little bit about your background with the university.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1481.0,1493.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, first of all, I'm very grateful to be here. As one of the recipients are the Hispanic Alumni Association scholarship and I feel very honored to represent that group. And as for myself, it's a special long term goal that I'm trying to achieve. And with God's help and the generous, generous offerings of people around me, as well as my family, I must add, I'm a little closer to coming to that goal, I returned to school after nearly 11 years, two children later and working full time and taking a class here and there, I was finally able to come back to the university. And with the help of the Hispanic Alumni Association scholarship, a great load was lifted. My husband is the sole support of our family now, since I had to attend full time, and I could no longer attend night classes. So I'm very, very grateful for the opportunity. And I'm sure and I hope that you will know that I won't let you down. I feel grateful to be a part of the spanic alumni. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1494.0,1551.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: do you graduate this year? Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1552.0,1553.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I graduated in May.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1554.0,1554.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, maybe the organization will get you involved. Oh, great. I know, Marty, you just recently received a $20,000 gift from Valley Bank","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1555.0,1565.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Valley Bank. Yes, we're very proud of the fact that the corporate sponsorship now is beginning to take form. And our goalie who's also a spanic alumni, he's in charge of the corporate aspect of our fundraising. Had Valley Bank, meet with him, discussed what we were all about. And Valley Bank saw fit to encourage our Hispanic students to come the University of Arizona, we would prefer they come the UVA rather than ASU, of course, but they came forward with a very generous grant of $20,000 for this year, and as I understand it, that's going to be an annual contribution or there will be an annual contribution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330#t=1566.0,1612.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73581/file/159330/transcript/37776/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay. Well, listen, I've enjoyed very much hearing again, just a little bit about the Hispanic alumni organization. We appreciate you being with us and join us next month. 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