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I'm Ted Braden, deployment with the University of Arizona army Rotary. Thanks for agreeing to meet with me. And I was hoping I could hear your name rank and you know your time in the United States Army. So sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1.0,11.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, it's my name is Curt dad. I originally listed in the army in the delayed entry program in 1989 left for basic 12 days after graduation and went to Fort Benning. Oh, yeah, Fort Benning school for wayward boys, and while I was in basic. So this was summer of 90, June, July, June through October, November, I think it was. And about midway through is when Iraq invaded Kuwait. And back then we had a couple of Vietnam drills, Vietnam Mary drill sergeants, CIB wearing drill sergeants. And as soon as that happened, it was like this. The script was, was flipped because we were it was peacetime. I mean, Grenada had just happened the year before, so there was nothing really going on. It was going into basic training in a peacetime army. But, you know, as a little kid, that's all I wanted to do. My dad was in the military. My three uncles were in the military. They all served in Vietnam. My grandfather was in World War Two, so it was a family tradition, and I needed to get out of home. I mean, you know to be, to be quite frankly honest, you know the military. You don't necessarily choose the military when you're, you know, from small towns, it's your only choice to get out of there. So, and it was a great decision. Got out of basic, went to Fort Hood, Texas. I was stationed, was initially assigned to the third corps. So third corps, all of the infantry units on Fort Hood were were already over in Saudi Arabia, doing Desert Shield. So I got stuck with 350 dudes that graduated basic training, all grunts delivering mail, guarding the animal holding area, animal supply points. We were just being peacetime grunts. You know, we're good at picking up rocks and raking and cleaning and delivering, doing all that stuff. For me, I signed up and to be an infantryman because I wanted to play in the game. I wanted to get in the game, to be in the Super Bowl, if you will, using a sports analogy, you only become a grunt really, to do one thing, and that's to go to combat, to engage with and close on an enemy and destroy so I my thought process was, there's a conflict going on over here. I'm an infantryman. That's what I signed up for. I'm like, I want to go. And there was no avenue for us to go because all the infants were deployed. So we had a sergeant major who was super cool dude. He was getting ready to get out, and I talked to I convinced 12 other dudes and myself went to the Sergeant Major, spoke to him. He said, All right, you want to go, you'll go next week. We had orders, and so we shipped off. The 13 of us shipped off to Saudi Arabia. So I got over there with no unit. So we got sent to a replacement attachment. It was a 1/91 replacement attachment. And we're all excited because, you know, they'd have formation, you know, multiple times a day when they were calling off people's names to get shipped out to all these other cool units, or all these units, and called my name got assigned, attached to the 24th Infantry Division. So, you know, I'm a brand new private. I'm fresh out of basic, and I'm attached to Alpha Company, two, seven infantry, which had been over there for eight months already, right? So, these guys have bonded. These guys have trained together. You know, they know how they're going to fight. They they know each other. And then there's me, brand new private, you know, not associated at all, is supposed to just fit in there and plug in and continue on. And that's basically what happened. Would you say those","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=12.0,265.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: group of guys were kind of, like, brought into their fold a bit and, like, really shaped to, like, like, the start of your career. Say again, would you, would you say, like, those group of guys that that, that, like, you know, as you said, like, already trained together and fought together to kind of like, brought you into their fold and kind of like, Oh","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=266.0,282.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, 100% 100% and they needed to. It wasn't without harassment and hazing and stuff like that. I mean that that just comes along with the infantry. But yeah, you know, I was immediately one of the brothers, one of the boys, and so we did a. Yeah, we did Desert Storm. I was extremely fortunate. So I got over there February. I got over there two weeks after the ground war started, and I left two weeks after so I was only in country for 45 days. So my combat tour was short, but it was, it was a lot of action. It was super cool. I was in a Bradley, which sucked. It was hot, yeah, it was extremely hot and uncomfortable. There's no room back there. I mean, we had double the ammunition, you know, that you're that we were carrying the Bradleys, you know, could barely move. But we moved a long way, really, really fast. Yeah, you know, my combat experience wasn't at all, except for the initial, you know, stages of Iraqi Freedom, because that was a prolonged, you know, they were going house to house, door to door. We didn't. We engaged tanks, you know, we engaged BMPs, you know, we did tunnel clearing, we did bunker clearing, you know, we did all that stuff. But it wasn't, it wasn't what, you know, the next generation of of fighters faced. But that being said, it was, it was a place Creek. It was four days of combined arms, live fire. That's, that's what it was. It was pretty cool. So I got, we got done with Desert Storm, and I was given the option of staying with the 24th with my freshly pinned CIB. Or, you know, would I go back to Fort Hood? And I was, I said, Yeah, I'm gonna go back to Fort Hood, because there's 270 some odd grunts that decided not to go, yeah, and do their job, and I wanted to go back and stick my chest out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=283.0,412.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I made it. And how old are you? This time? Like, 18. I was 18, eight years old, 19 when I got back. Wow. So you're the only, like, teenager with a Civ, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=413.0,422.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: back back then with the guys, I went to basic with no shortly thereafter, all the infantry units, first, CAV came back, and then I got assigned to 341, infantry at Fort Hood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=423.0,433.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did you ever wish you went light instead of going on? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=434.0,437.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, I mean, my my initial thing, and this is where, you know, the recruiters get you, right? So I didn't have the easiest childhood growing up, and that led me, from an early age to look for an escape plan. And that's, you know what I said, you don't choose the the military or the army. The Army chooses you. They know, you know that you're a kid in a in a not so good situation, in a small town and there's nothing there. Yeah, you're not ready to go to college, you know, you're not ready to get a job and live on your own. So, you know, you're pretty much you got to do what you got to do. So from an early age, I was hanging at the recruiter's house. He was right around the corner from me. I'd go over there. And they used to sponsor a drag car. And on that drag car, they had a, it was a funny car, and it had Uncle Sam. It had a flaming, you know, an eagle. And I was, yeah. I was, oh, yeah, that's America, yeah. And I just wanted to be an infantryman. That's it. You know, I knew about the Rangers, I knew about special forces. I knew about air bar, but I was I just, I want to be a grunt, you know. And so the recruiter, you know, said, Yeah, sure, we'll sign you up 11x ray. So back then, if you went 11x ray when you're in basic, they could say you're gonna be 11. Bravo. You're gonna be 11. Charlie, 11 hotel or 11. Mike and my company, we all got 11 mikes. So yeah, I was spent the next two year or the next year and a half, if you will, at Fort Hood. I left not even year and a half. Yeah, maybe I left in September of 92 after serving in Delta company 341, infantry, super cool unit. Lot of high speed training, I mean, and you'll see when you get in, it's a lot of running. You know my buddy who is my age, well, he's 54 I'll be 53 next week. He served three and a half years in Iraq, and he's been out since 2014 and he's had two hip both hips replaced already. Oh, man, from all that helping so running back then, wow, yeah. And so, yeah, we got done with that. I got orders for Germany. I was like, sweet, super cool. Ended up at Old Ironsides with Third Battalion, fifth cab. It was an infantry unit. There was a small concern called Ayers concern. It was encourage going to about 30 kilometers north of Frankfort. Hung out there for two years. You know. Was 92 to 94 Bosnia kicked off 93 late 93 early 94 and they started, started sending guys over there, but I was ETS ing. I'd went to pldc in bomb holder to get my e5 that was September of 92 right out shortly after I got over there. And that was around the time, well, I was, matter of fact, I was in pldc when Somalia kicked down. We were watching that on the news, and I was like, geez, you know, just chomping at the bit, yeah. So two years in Germany, great training, great people, good friends, you know, you get to travel around the country. I wish being a young man. And you know, I was 2021, years old at that time, and unfortunately for me, you know, I like to to drink and party and go to clubs and stuff. But there's so much history over there. You know, there are so many things that I miss. And I traveled all over. I went to Belgium, you know, traveled to France, the Netherlands, the UK, Spain, so all over. But I just wish I would have had more hunger for for history back then, like I do now, because it's such a beautiful place. Well, it was back then. Things are a little different now, but so one of the things that when I told him I wanted to go to pldc Back then, you had to have a certain amount of points to get promoted. And for an infantry e5 11, Mike, it was like 995 points, which is extremely difficult to get in four years. And I was just short, and they're like, Well, if you reenlist, you know, we'll send you pldc. And I was like, All right, so I went to pldc, and I got done, and you know, they didn't. I told them, was it going to relist? And they were upset. But my main factor for not re enlisting, and this is important for you, a lot of guys go in single, and they end up getting married, or they go in married, and as an infantry man, you're out in the field six to nine months out of the year, and that's just doing field problems. That's not counting. You know, if you go to Airborne School or ranger school or, you know what other other leadership school you know that you're going to go to? And I saw way too many marriages get destroyed. And I was like, Yeah, I don't want that. And not that. I didn't think that, you know, I couldn't prevent that from happening, because I I honestly felt that I could, if I was married, but I was single, but I didn't want to expose my my wife and, you know, eventual kids to just moving all around the world on a on a Win's notice, and being gone all that time. So I made a decision that, you know, I've got enough life experience, so I'm going to get out, and I'm going to go to college, I'm going to get my degree, and then I'm going to be a cop. So in 94 June of 94 I got out of active duty, and I transferred right over to the Michigan Army National Guard. I transferred over branches, because at that time, initially was an engineer battalion. And then, I think within the first year, they transferred again to military police. So I've gotten infant GM West and engineer on West, and then MP,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=438.0,832.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: MLS, three different Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=833.0,834.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So from 94 through 98 through the end of 98 December, I was going to school at Northern Michigan University where I got my bachelor's degree in criminal justice, while still, you know, doing my monthly guard rotations. So I left Michigan and we moved out here in 99 and I transferred from the Michigan Army National Guard to the Army Reserve, the US Army Reserve. And we were drilling out of Phoenix, and it was the 91st Infantry Division. The Michigan Army National Guard. Company I was in was the and I forget what company it was. I was there for a while too, and I knew all the guys, 45th MP company, something like that. But they ended up going, you know, over to Iraq, and one of my good friends got killed over there in the unit. I. Uh, so yeah, we moved out here, 91st Infantry Division up in Phoenix, and it was a MP unit, but it was a training battalion. So when units were going to NTC, or any of the various training things, you know, they had to get certified. So we would run them through Lane certification, make sure that they were all qualified and good to go. I did that all the way up until 2005 and 2001 I became a deputy here in Pima County, and operation Iraq freedom had kicked off already, and now we're in Afghanistan. I've got an infantry, MOS, an MP and an engineer, and I'm just waiting, you know, to get called or to find something. And you know, I was talking over with my wife, and we, we had our son sack already at that time, he was, like, a year old. And you know, I just told her, I'm like, Look, I said I'm not going over there. I haven't been called to go over again, but I could just as easily be involved in combat here on the street as I can over there. I personally would much rather have that happen here, if it was going to happen. So is that that? Yeah, at that point in time that I made the decision after 15 years to to hang up my boots, if you will. And yeah, so that that's, that's my career in a nutshell. If you have any specific questions,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=835.0,995.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah, when you were in the reserve for that period of time, did you so you're balancing being a sheriff deputy with being, I'm assuming you're like, what, like a like a 66 that time? Yeah, was it like was really struggling to kind of balance those two lives? Because, I guess it's like, they could be similar in some ways, because it's like the, you know, I'm putting on my my weapon to go serve others, right, yeah, but did you like, have any big hiccups at the time that really, that really made it difficult to No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=996.0,1027.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: there were no hiccups. Because by that time, I mean, I, by the time I moved out here, I had already been in 94 we moved out here 99 five. And then there's, you know, like, 15 years already, and I've been an MP since 99 so six years. And it was, it was training, right? So you become a subject matter expert. I mean, you could, I'm sure you could, you know, regurgitate a bunch of stuff just from memory right now, because you're doing it over and over and over and over repetition. So I didn't have any, you know, work issues. The guys, all the guys up there, they're all these sixes. So you know, we didn't have to deal with any privates or any, you know, efore mafia or any nonsense like that, because that shit is real. But, yeah, no, no issues at all. It was simply and to be completely honest, it was, I would drive from here to Phoenix. My drill pay for the weekend would be, I don't know, let's say $350 or something like that, as an e6 with 15 years. So I got to pay for gas to get up there at that time, they didn't pay for lodging. Side pay for lodging, they gave us, you know, two meals, a meal on Saturday and a meal on Sunday, and that's it. So it wasn't working out financially for me. Yeah, it had nothing to do with, you know, my patriotism. I mean, look, forgot I'm wearing, you know, flag. It was just it became a money losing job, yeah, basically, for sure. And they had no infantry units here in Tucson at that time, the closest infantry unit was in California. And look, I'm 53 I'm pretty good shape, and I still know I could go out there and do the job. So I wouldn't have been if there was in a junior year, I probably would have, yeah, yeah, because I would have been, because I'm just a dumb drunk. You got the GI Bill, though, right? I'm assuming I did the GI Bill. Man, my college degree at Northern Michigan University, 1994 through 1998 it was three and a half years I finished, and it cost me 10 grand. That's it. Yeah, that's pretty good. And my GI Bill covered it all. That's awesome. I did have five jobs while I was working at one time, five part time jobs, wow, the entire time I was in college. So to supplement my GI Bill, because my parents, you know, didn't have the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1028.0,1174.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: money to and you still had a drill at the time, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1175.0,1176.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Still had to drill. Yeah, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1177.0,1178.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay. Did you have any, like, when you were in junior enlisted, I mean, like, senior enlisted, like, NCOs that really, like, I don't know, like, one that, like, really stood out to you in your career?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1179.0,1191.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, there's quite a few that stand out that, you know, for not good reason. It's look you. You, and you'll see it. And I know you see it now, maybe not so much, because you're not around you know a lot of active guys, but one thing you have to remember is that, yeah, you're a soldier, and you may wear stripes and you may wear a bar, but you also live another life, right? You have a family life, whether you're singular, you're married and you have kids, and those ancillary things can really cause issues at work by drinking, you know, drug abuse, infidelity, those, you know, the type of things I was talking about, why I wanted to get out, because I saw so much of it, so a lot of the NCOs, you know, they've been in for a while, and especially the ones you know that are more senior now, you know, they've seen a lot of combat, and for the most part, you know, you they keep that stuff in and they they do things that aren't Healthy, and they can still do the job. But to make an impression, you know, a lasting impression. Most of them were what not to do. Obviously, there were, you know, some great ones. Staff Sergeant Jones. He was a he was a ranger, high speed guy. Sergeant will occur. He was any seven that I worked with over in in Germany. So, yeah, you get a couple senior leaders that, and that will look out for you, and you know that will take you under their wing. But you have to give them a reason to do so, yeah, I always used to tell my guys, when I was a leader, I was like, if you have a problem and you're going to come to me with said problem, bitching and complaining and moaning, you better have a solution. Whether or not that solution is something that I agree with or the command will agree with, or your buddies the rest of the tune will agree with doesn't matter, but you're actually doing some type of active thinking to solve whatever it is that's that's bugging you. So that was one of the big things, you know, that I learned because I used to bitch grunts, bitch all the time, and you know, Sergeant Jones was like, Look, man, he's like, you bitch all you want, because you're getting your work done. But come to me with a solution. Don't just come to me with a problem. You know, do some thinking, because that's how you're going to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1192.0,1348.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: become a leader. Being proactive. What would you say was like a really big skill or something that he took away from the like serving activity that you brought to your civilian job of being a sheriff's deputy or like a reserve side soldier,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1349.0,1364.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: just being a man, just growing up. You know a lot of us. You know kids growing up. You know we may come from divorced families. We may come from whole families where they act like divorce families, you know, or whole families where you know a mother or a father, you know may have some substance abuse, or, you know, they may be physically abusive, and things like that. What was the question again? 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Because, you know, those, those kids that come from homes like that, they don't learn how to be a man from their father, because their father may not be there, may be there physically, but not emotionally. So when you go to basic training, I mean, all bets are off. You know, it's get to work. You suck it up, and you drive on, yeah, and you learn how to communicate effectively. You learn how to talk to people. You learn to interact with people from different cultures. I never met a person other than white in my own town until I left. Oh, wow. You know, I go to basic training. I got gang, you know, gangsters from South Central. I got, you know, crazy guy from Roatan, Honduras, you know, I've got people from all over, right, with all different life experience from 19 to their 30s. We had a guy basically training then he was 38 Oh, wow. In 1990 we called him grandpa, yeah, he probably, he was probably fucking 28 but he looked through so really, just learning how to learning how to be a man, if you don't have those skills from your household, when you're a child and you go into the military, whether it's the Army, the Navy, Not the Navy, Air Force, Army, the Marines. Army. Marines, yeah, you're gonna learn how to be a man. You're gonna learn how really quick. And if you, if you don't catch on, you're you're gonna cure yourself out, you're gonna be gone. So that was the biggest thing, just being a man, being having self confidence, looking people an eye, giving them a good. Firm handshake, things that I learned as a kid, but were really reinforced.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1399.0,1503.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And you think, like custom and courtesies helps reinforce that. The idea as well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1504.0,1508.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I pass them on to my kids. I mean, they don't see a time where, and I'm talking just gentlemen stuff, right? Because you're taught to be a gentleman. You open the doors for women, my kids have never seen me not open a house or a car door, you know, for my wife, being honest with your kids, you know, teaching them the skills that I learned, because it doesn't do any good for me to hold on to those skills teach them so that they can become good people. And then when they go out on their own and they're starting to be influenced by other people, mentors, some good, some bad, they can suss those out and be like, Yeah, I don't like what you're about, but I like what this guy's about because yeah, so yeah it, it was really important for me to be able to take those things that I learned, because if I hadn't gotten in the military, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1509.0,1565.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: wouldn't have had it. 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Well, peer pressure doesn't go away just because you get older, you know, you get into a group of meat eaters, and everyone wants to be the alpha, and you think you're the alpha, you may be the alpha, but everyone's coming for you, so you just need to keep going, Yeah. And that's what I loved about the infantry. That's what I yeah, like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1569.0,1615.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: about Yeah. I mean, I've been there yet, but that's why for it. So, yes, yeah, oh, yeah. Would you do you have any, like, really, like, good stories that, like, really, like, like, like, were a big highlight of your career? Or, like, okay, like, this was an awesome moment,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1616.0,1630.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: you know? So, yeah, I was over in Desert Storm with alpha two seven infantry. It was, sick. It was our third day, so the third day of the ground war only lasted four and we were on a security hold, and I got out, took a dump in the middle of desert. I cleaned up. And, you know, there's eight hands and Mrs. Going over our heads, fucking awesome shit. He was awesome. And out of nowhere. So we're in the middle of, middle of we were outside of Basra, is where we ended up. So, you know, we were about a day outside of there, in the middle of desert nowhere. There's Bedouin huts, you know, all over. And I'm like, Man, these are people that I learned about, you know, when I was in the Bible. The battle, yeah, the Bible as a kid, yeah? It's like, Wow. It was so it was just weird. It was weird, you know, it's first world, and we're dropping GPS guided bombs. It's such a dichotomy, juxtaposition. And all of a sudden this lady came walking out. You know she's covered head to toe, and in her muscle car, you could just see her eyes, and she's carrying a basket, and I just got done using the latrine, and I'm walking back to the Bradley, and you know she's walking up to us, and you know everyone's yelling at her, stop, stop. And you know, she stopped and went up and she had a basket, and it was a basket of tomatoes. They were the biggest fucking red tomatoes that I had ever seen. I felt like I'd been over there for like, six years, you know. And realistically, I'd only been over there for like, two weeks, three weeks, but at that two week time frame. You know, a lot of shit happens. And as a young kid, seeing something so beautiful, with all of this destruction around, just this kind gentleness, you know about this lady coming up to us and offering us some tomatoes? Yeah, it's super cool. Super cool. Have a picture of it, and I, I did an interview back in like 2001 for a guy that was writing a book on the 24th Infantry Division, the history of it. And, yeah, he put that in there that was huge. Yeah, it was big. Just to bring personality, you know, and love back to war, yeah. I mean to to be able to express love when there's death and destruction all around you, it's pretty remarkable. 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She was actually the only civilian that that we encountered. All the others, they fought a little. Most of them gave up. Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1808.0,1824.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now, do you have any like, that's a good moment. You have any moments where it was like, this was like, like, this sucked. Like, this sucked. And then, and like, whether you you look back on it and you appreciate it now or, or you don't? You mean, okay, any moments like that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1825.0,1840.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, yeah, moments that suck. You know, seeing dead bodies of your comrades sucks. War sucks. It sucks when you go to war. You know, your country sends you to war, and it's not for the reasons that told you, you know, they told you. So, yeah, that stuff sucked that's at a funny more funny stuff than sucky stuff. 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You know, there's fucking eight grunts in the nine grunts in the back of the Bradley, TOW missiles, you know, grenades, ammo, everything, everywhere, there's nowhere to sit. Yeah, and we got over there and they gave us these pills. It turned they were speed pills. Basically, I mean, they're giving us meth to stay up and fight. It's not math, but it's a stimulant,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1878.0,1915.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: but, like, the army was giving you stimulus, so, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1916.0,1920.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: we were supposed to take about a certain time, or maybe this is mixed up with a different one that maybe it was a chemical one that we were supposed to take at a certain time. But my my squad leader, Staff Sergeant Luke, He comes over the CBC. He's like, all right, you know, you got to remember, I was only there for a couple of weeks, like, literally, a couple days with these guys. I was in country for a week and a half, and I was maybe there for three or four days before we LD, yeah. And so I'm still new, so they're still fucking with me all the time. And it's great, because if they're not fucking with you, they don't like it, yeah, yeah, for sure. So yeah, Mom, I had, you know, CBC, and I'm listening to everything because I'm the new guy. And fuck, we're going to war right now, and, you know, I'm shits about to kick off. It's like, All right, everybody, take your pills. And I'm like, I didn't even wait. Like, I already had that pop cab. I popped out. It was in my hand, and I fucking plug it in there. And then all of a sudden, I see him. He's sitting up by the turret, and I see him like, see again, what? Don't take them. Don't take them. 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Do you have a favorite Emory meal?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=1995.0,2009.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Chicken with rice, bro rice. Old school chicken with ice, because you just eat that. Crack it open, just slam it down. Yeah, you know you didn't have to worry about using MRE heater, which we just got shortly before I left. But, yeah, Sugar Ray, fair enough. They're all different now. I mean, I look at them now, there's all kinds of, I'm like, Cool, that'd be good meal. 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Did you eat, like, eat any other, like, cool foods when you were in country, like that, like, unique like, or even in Germany, like, like, just anything, anything, I guess, more so than food, like, just about the culture you experience, like, like the culture with the Army mixing with, like Germany, like, how the lifestyle, or in country, whichever","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2030.0,2054.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: one I didn't really get too involved with, you know, out On the economy when I was over in Germany, yeah, I ate German food. You know, when we travel, you know, we eat we went to Paris for New Year's Eve, 92 to 93 and we took a freaking bus. It was like a 16 hour bus ride. Was so horrible, dude, a bunch of nasty grounds. It was not good. We got there and we got to our hotel. It's like 1010, or 1111, 30, right before midnight. And we're like running through. Hotel and grabbing baguettes that they have. That's all, you know, we eat, but nothing really crazy. I mean, you know, I went to France and I had a MC Royale with cheese. I mean, I was an American kid. I'm like, oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2055.0,2113.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you know, quarter pounder and so you went from, you went from small town, Michigan kid, knowing, like, not knowing anybody that wasn't white in your town to, like, like a huge, like, culture shock with cultures and other countries within like, a span of a year and two years, wow, yeah, like when you went back home after that, was it kind of like, did you feel like, not enlightened in a way, but like you feel like you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2114.0,2137.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: had an ego, an ego. Yeah, I was a world traveler, man and egos are there to die, and it died shortly there, like, you know, thereafter. But yeah, I was, I was like, I got out. I was 2122 years old. Just turned 22 Yeah, and traveled around the world shot bad guys got shot at,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2138.0,2162.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah, man, when you were when you transitioned to the Reserve component, like, with a Guard or Reserve Army Reserve, did you, like, feel like you had more experience and knowledge than other guys that you were with, like, in the guard because I'm assuming most of them are just like, college people that run up for money and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2163.0,2177.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: stuff like that, right? Yeah, um, 100% I did have more knowledge and more experience because I was a grunt, you know, those guys, they were, you know, in the reserve and the guard, most of them were in active duty. The ones that you know, were active duty, you know, and I'm not taking anything away from the garden reserve, because I was part of them longer than I was active duty. But it's just, it's just different, you know? It's just, it's a different animal, the guys in the garden reserve. I mean, we do twice as much work, really. Well, you look, you only there once a month. Yeah, two weeks out of the year, yeah, you know, being a leader in that aspect, you're doing a lot of work off duty, you know, to be prepared for on duty. I used to be the PT coordinator. So, you know, a lot of guard units they don't do PT. You know, they show up and drink a few beers and whatever, you know, fish or I was like, No man, I'm like, Trent. I just got out of active duty. We're here to train, you know, we could be going to combat again. So, yeah, it was PT, instructor, all that cool stuff. And the guys liked it. You just call cadence all the time. It was, yeah, it was cool. I used to train the new soldiers that would come in and get done with basic and forget everything you know. This is what you need to know. But, yeah, that you know, once you you know, you get up in the ranks and get experience. Obviously, you have a lot of leadership experience, you have a lot of knowledge. You have a lot of expertise, if you will not have you know, marksmanship, marching, you know, so and we take it seriously in the infantry, whereas I don't think the other branches take it as as seriously, you know. But you can't go in and be the know it all, because I didn't know it all. You know, a lot of these guys were older than me. They've been in longer than I had, you know, at that time. So just because they didn't have combat or infantry experience doesn't mean that they didn't have things that I could steal from them or gain from them, you know, leadership wise and knowledge wise. So you just gotta really keep your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2178.0,2323.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: ego in check. Did you bring a lot of those? Oh, I used to kind of already asked this, but more specifically, did you bring like, a lot of those, like, lessons, which lessons, stuff like that, to being a sheriff's deputy, like and like in, kind of living a similar lifestyle with that kind of job, 100%","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2324.0,2340.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it. I My experience in the military definitely made me a better cop. It and the biggest thing was just the ability to communicate with people, yeah, whether verbally or non verbally, you know. So if you don't have those things before you become a cop, it's extremely, extremely difficult. And that's, you know, back in when I started in 2000 or 2001 you know, a lot of guys, you know, the next 10 years were coming back from combat deployments, a lot of infantry guys, lot of MPs, a lot of engineers, you know, and they became cops, and cops, you know, departments were looking for those guys. But when you bring in somebody that has all that experience, especially a lot of combat, you're also bringing in other things, right? You're bringing in their traumas. Yeah. And that's where, you know some cops, and you know a lot of departments now are kind of really, really diving into veterans to make sure that, you know, they're not going to become a liability, you know, to themselves or the department or the public, you know, later on. 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So Brian, I graduated in 90 he graduated the same year I left for basic 12 days after he hung around town, you know, working at the foundry or doing this idea. I came home after Desert Storm, I still remember sitting at a bar, and I'm like, the fuck are you gonna do with your life, bro? Like, you get the fuck out of here. Yeah. I told him about my experiences, and then he left, signed up shortly thereafter and left in end of 91 spent six years of 25th Id got out for two years. Iraq kicked off. He's like, I go, Yeah, he went back in. Spent three and a half years over there. I got a couple other buddies that I talked to on the on the daily, on the weekly, if not the daily. Live all over the country. No matter where I am, what state I am, there's somebody there that I know, or someone that I know. You know an army buddy from some another state knows somebody there. So you're never alone. Yeah, you know, you always have a brother out there, and that makes you feel good, yeah, right. But you got to use it. That makes sense. Yeah. You got to reach out. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2427.0,2508.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: If you, I know you said you got out because you were, well, I do, because you were, like, you saw stuff that happened with, you know, people's wives and kids, like, the family stuff, if you like, like, just regarding that, do you think it would have, like, re enlisted active duty if you, if you like, didn't want to, like, have that effect in their family? Yeah? Just for the experience,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2509.0,2532.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah? Cuz I, my plan was to stay 20 years. Yeah, that was my original goal, to stay 20 years. I want to be airborne. I want to be Ranger. I wanted to be high speed and but I just saw, I don't know if it was God that put it on me or something, but I saw these things, and I was like, I don't even want to be associated with anybody that's involved in anything you know be you got to look you got to look at it from the fact that in the military, the military is just a representative sample of society. You know what I mean by that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2533.0,2572.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I would definitely like a big melting pot of people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2573.0,2577.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: You've got the lows, the normal guys like you and I Yeah, you've got, it's a military term, you've got shit bags, oh yeah, you've got super alphas, and you've got criminals, you've got alcoholics, you've got drug addicts, you've got wife beaters, you've got all child you know, molesters, You've got sexual predators, you have all that shit, and when you see that, you're just like, man, it like, broke my heart. Yeah, but then, you know, it was explained to me by one of my mentors that were, it's just representative of society, so there's going to be problems. There's good soldiers, there's bad soldiers, good cops, bad cops. There's good doctors, bad doctors, good lawyers, bad lawyers, and so on and so forth. So that was, that was a big shock for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2578.0,2629.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Would you say, and you said, you said, like, the battleground stuff in your faith? Would you say, like, your faith was a big part of your army career? Like, in terms of like, like, Did you lean on heavily or not really, or finding after or have that one for him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2630.0,2645.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I grew up as a Baptist, going to church till I was about 16. And my great aunt was in her 80s, and she had a falling out with our little church. And I was like, I was done with God at that time. Now that being said, there are no atheists and foxholes. Yeah. I mean, I was in combat. I was praying every day. I kept my Bible up in my breast pocket. But I never, I never got back with God until, about 18 months ago, Oh, wow. And I re enlisted with God. That's the way I looked at it. Knowing what I know now and where my relationship is with Christ, I know that he was with me the whole time. Yeah, and he's. Is here with us right now, and that was very difficult to understand, because I, you know, asked, why'd you let me go through all the things that I've gone through? And one of my therapists told me, she's like, well, if not you, then who else you know? If it was somebody else, maybe they wouldn't have been able to handle it. So yeah, no, I didn't have a strong relationship with with Christ throughout my military career, but I damn sure do now, yeah, and it's awesome. 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I mean, I guess you went through, like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2733.0,2758.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: station, somewhere, station or or location. The only place I didn't want to be stationed was fort Jones, New York, because my dad was up there, and he'd tell me stories of how cold I got. My family was up there, actually, yeah, and I saw the pictures, and I grew up in the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, you know, it's commonly referred to as God's country, yeah, because it's beautiful up there and it is cold. So I was like, Yeah, I anywhere warm. Was fine. 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You know, this is an easy sell infantry. That's all you want. Yeah, yeah. And then, you know, I asked about, you know, airborne arranger, and I know the songs, oh, yeah, you know, he wanted to do all this stuff. He'll say it now, but no, I mean, truly, as a young kid, that's what I wanted to do. And you know when, when your recruiter says, oh, you know, the Ranger recruiter will come through at basic, you know, the airborne guy and all that stuff. And you know, you believe it, because sometimes it does happen, sometimes it doesn't, yeah, and my case, it didn't. So it sucked. And that it really honestly, for infantry guys, just for a regular leg, or a mechanized guy to to get us off, for ranger school or for Airborne School, is next to impossible. It's pretty hard, you know, and that, along with, you know, some of the task, orienting thing, oriented things like EIB, like I was in four years, and everyone got a chance to test for my EIB, just because of the way my career. And, you know, combat, you're the real fight. Yeah, not the, not the, yeah. So, yeah, there are a lot of things that that I wish I would have got to do, but I look at it now because of my faith, like, if I would have done one of those other things, would I be where I am right now, and I am where I am right now because of the things that I have done, and I think I'm in a pretty good spot, so fair enough.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2792.0,2879.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, would you say out of your three Moses, infantry was your favorite 100% Yeah? What was worse? MP or engineer?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2880.0,2885.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Engineer, yeah, and the engineers got to blow cool. You don't blow stuff up. But are the unit I was with was a heavy equipment engineering, it was a construction basically, yeah, I was like, now that's not me. I'll dig a ditch. I'm a grump. Yeah, yeah, that's fair. Yeah, no infantry was, I didn't know there was anything else, yeah. I, you know, I grew up reading Vietnam SOG books, you know, Vietnam lerps books, you know, create Vietnam Green Green Beret books. Those are the things that I aspired, and I was like, yeah, those men with green eyes, you know, yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2886.0,2925.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: yeah, that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2926.0,2927.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: bad ass shit, right? And if you're looking at a young kid, you know that they're great at marketing. I mean, there's psyops is, you know, some of the best, yeah, and you market that to a little kid, you know, along with all the ancillary veterans that are writing books. And it's much better now, because if you look at it, when you know, my father and uncles, you know, and grandparents came back from Vietnam and World War Two, they didn't talk about that stuff at all. They drank and they beat their wives the way of coping. Yeah, beat the wives, beat the kids, and then it was just a tradition that carried on through families, right? I think with OIF and you know what was going on in Afghanistan and the guys coming back with the advent of social media, it made it so much easier for guys to tell their story anonymously or even online and not face to face, so they don't feel, you know, the anxiety of reliving the trauma all over again and someone seeing it. So now you know they're writing books, and you know they're doing podcasts, and you know they're making T shirts and. Yeah, that is what I like seeing out of today's soldiers, because the most, most of them, are probably still keeping all that stuff, trauma internally, but a lot of them are letting it out. And it's just, that's what needs to be done. You have to let it out. You can't keep it in. Or it'll it'll lead you apart. It'll kill you. It'll be the death. Yeah, I think it's good to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=2928.0,3020.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: have that now, because it gives people, like, a, like, a realistic understanding of what actually happened and what, what, what you will feel, maybe not exactly, but a good idea of it. Yeah, and gives kids a lot more, a lot more, you know, common understanding, which is good. Did you ever think of like, writing a book or in a podcast or like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3021.0,3038.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So I did a bunch of podcasts. When I retired three years ago from the sheriff's department, I did a podcast. It's called The Talking filthy police podcast, and what myself and Dan Spencer is a retired TPD guy, and what we did for our podcast was talking about the things that are available to help us, cops and veterans deal with the trauma, you know, that we've experienced through combat or, you know, here protecting, you know, the mean streets of Tucson and Pima County. So, you know, we were interviewing doctors and psychiatrists, psychologists, different nonprofits, do all these things, I really honestly just started getting back to my military roots through the VA and you know, I had a long reservation about seeking conference compensation for, you know, some of the traumas that I endured in combat and in service, and it took a long time to get over the pride factor of not feeling worthy enough, like there are guys more fucked up than I am, that, you know, deserve this than than I do. But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3039.0,3124.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: those same guys probably feel the same way 100%","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3125.0,3126.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so it took a lot of mentoring from other veterans to get involved with the VA and get that process rolling. And, you know, again, none of that, none of that, started until after I reenlisted with God. So, yeah, you know. And you know, my experience at the VA has been, it's been amazing so far. And I know that the experience for the majority of the vets, you know, coming back the past, you know, 25 years, it hasn't been that way, and we're still losing, you know, 22 plus Veterans Day to suicide. So, yeah, I would encourage any veteran to get involved with the VA as soon as possible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3127.0,3169.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did you seek any like, really big physical injuries while you were in that like, or already ones that like lingered that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3170.0,3174.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: no, no physical injuries. The only injuries, their, their mental injuries, you know, the post traumatic stress of seeing your buddies, you know, get killed and getting shot at, and, you know, you're 19, and then it doesn't, doesn't, I mean, it scares you, but you just don't realize it, because it's just going on. You know, when bullets are whizzing, you're only thinking about one thing. You think about yourself and your buddy to your left and your right. But when it's all done, you know, sometimes, you know it's a month later, a year later, sometimes, in my case, you know it's 20 some years later before we actually realize, you know, the things that we did and that we were exposed to, you know, messed us up. Yeah, so, but what other job could you go to, to where you serve four years, 15 years, 20 years, and you get injured, and 10 years after you get out, you're like, you know, my knees been bothering me? Yeah, I remember that one time I jumped out, you know, on DLZ, wherever, and my knee got jacked up, and you're gonna go apply for, you know, a disability claim, yeah, and they approve it, and they you're awarded what you deserve. There's no other business that is gonna do that. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3175.0,3256.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: think the closest one is probably the other career path you chose.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3257.0,3259.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: But, yeah, but it's not, I mean, even like, I sustained more injuries in 20 years as a cop than I did physical and mental than I did as a grunt. But it's not the same you don't get the same compensation. You don't get the same medical stuff, you know, you get a pension. That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3260.0,3281.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: it. So the army took care of for sure, yeah, yeah. Well, sometimes, if you were grateful for what the 100% the Army gave you, and that's, I feel like a lot of veterans don't have that mentality, especially if they are kind of a bit more if they stayed at longer. It seems like because, because.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3282.0,3299.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Perfect. It all depends on their experience too, right? It all depends on how acceptable or accepting they were to the army life or the Navy life, excuse me, or, you know, the marine life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3300.0,3310.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did you work with any other branches like that, like army or probably, probably, maybe Marines or Air Force, right? Um, think Marina work with her. Just, we're just","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3311.0,3321.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: like, Yeah, you know, we would do maneuvers with TAC P guys, like, over in Germany, because there was a special forces group over there. So we would train with them and add air force, you know, pair rescue and their combat controllers attached to them. I remember one time we were doing, we were doing an exercise, and I had gotten captured, and I was by two fucking tacky guys. Yeah, I was like, this is not this is not gonna happen. So, you know, I'm sitting there and I'm on a hilltop somewhere in the middle of Germany, and I managed to get my hands undone and but there were two of them, and I start took off running, and you're getting anywhere,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3322.0,3361.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: correct? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3362.0,3364.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Air Force guys some","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3365.0,3367.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: jujitsu skills at the time","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3368.0,3369.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I did, which I didn't have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3370.0,3371.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: fair enough. Did you were there, like, when you're in or and I guess this is almost like a big law enforcement culture thing too. What was like? Was there a lot of, like, stuff like stuff like training martial arts on the side, or doing other things like supplement the career? 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Was it like, common for you and your buddies to go out shooting on their own, or trying to be to Jane on their own, or whatever, stuff like that. Just, just things overall, like steward the profession of being, yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3393.0,3405.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So a lot of guys went to the gym. Yeah, working out was huge. I wasn't a big weightlifter. I was, I was a guy in basic training. I wrestled in high school, 98 1051, 12 and 119, freshman, sophomores. So I graduated, you know, high school, 120 pounds, and I was a guy in basic, where you need to ID two meals, yeah, you know they Yeah, so, but fitness was, fitness was a big thing. Always in the gym, guys are always running. Because, even though we were young, this is our job. This is our profession. Anything can kick off at any time. And you know, being being part of the first cab at that time, we were a heavy, you know, quick mobile division, activated division, same thing over in Germany. So, you know, should happen. You know, we were going to be gone within 24 to 48 hours. So there was no fucking around. You had to take your physical fitness series as far as, like, training, you know, firearms and stuff like that. It's not on their own time. There are some guys that do, but, you know, the guys that live on posts, you know, as privates. And, you know, we don't get to do all that stuff, yeah, fair enough. The privates go out and buy cars with like, 20%","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3406.0,3481.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: interest rate, yeah, and, like, no down payment, yes, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3482.0,3485.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: yeah, I did that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3486.0,3489.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I am. The reason why I asked this is, like, I've, I've interested to me once, like, like, you always have time until you just don't. So I think, I think, like training fitness, especially as an infantryman, like kind of like stewards, that mentality as well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3490.0,3503.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: procrastination will kill you. Man, for sure, it will kill you. Never put out today or today or till tomorrow. What you can do today? Yeah, don't do it. And as a grunt, I mean your fitness, your legs, your back, your shoulders, your feet, your ankles, your knees, your hips, those things have to be healthy. I used to hate seeing overweight guys. And you know, for a long time the army was really, really lacks on their standards. And I get it, but when you sign up for a particular MOS you better have your ass, you know, in shape for sure. So, oh yeah, fitness was, this was a big thing when","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3504.0,3542.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you were in garrison. Do you like, did you spend more time training, like your actual job or doing chores?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3543.0,3552.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Doing chores? Yeah, yeah. You know, the best times were sergeants time. We used to have sergeants times on, I think it was like Tuesdays. So the whole day you're you're just training with your squad leader and your squad, you know, individuals, individual stuff, and you know, then you go to the field, you know, you use the altar of 30 days. You know, could be a little bit longer, yeah, usually, like 30 at a time, really, yeah, usually like three weeks, especially in Germany, we wrote a three week field problem, yes, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3553.0,3585.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Sometimes four. It's gonna be hard in the family.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3586.0,3587.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, yeah, and that's the thing, right? I was single. Didn't care, but that's what I saw, yeah, absolutely, it's hard on a family. I was like, I don't want to put my wife and kids through me being gone for three, four weeks. Yeah? You know. Time, that makes sense. But yeah, back in Garrison, it's if you up, you're picking up rocks and cigarette butts for Sergeant Major, you know, you're cleaning his grass and lot of chores, lot of painting, a lot of mopping, a lot of puffing. Yeah, when you're in Garrison, it's the worst. I mean, it's the worst because, unless you have some rank on you, you know, e5, e6, Corporal, you're screwed. I was so when I went to pldc in Germany in 92 I didn't get my e5 before I got out, because I told him I was going to get out saying and promote me. So I was already Corporal. When I got over there, they promoted me to Corporal. Corporal is cool. I mean, you get to do NCO shit, but you don't get paid. Yeah, yeah. And you're trying to control the E for mafia as an e4 Yeah, it's not easy to do, so it takes a lot of tact, yeah, which I had right, because I learned it coming up through the ranks,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=3588.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: and those skills, like he said before, really helped you. I guess, be a police officer. Lay on the future. Well, I guess the sheriff deputy,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=60.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: as long as you treat people the way you wish to be treated, whether it's in the military or as a cop or whatever, you'll be fine. It's when you start demanding and letting your ego take over. Is you know, as a leader when you're gonna have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=61.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: problems, so always self development, right? Yeah, that makes sense. 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Sometimes it just like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=61.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: Well, look, you guys get over there, your generation, Gen Z. You guys are, you guys are rock stars, just like we were Gen X, yeah, it's like your mom, we were rock stars, right? We started the internet, cell phone, all this stuff, and you guys are the first ones to be born with all of that technology. You guys have so much wisdom and knowledge at your fingertips. You right now as a 2021, year old kid, 22 years old, I was getting out of the army right now. Yeah, you know, I had so much knowledge because I traveled the world, you've got 10 fold the knowledge that I have because you've been traveling the world since you were four or five. Yeah, yeah. It's pretty cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882#t=61.0,61.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153173/file/281882/transcript/81681/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: Well, I guess it would be you were Staff Sergeant Deb, you got out or Sergeant Well, Staff Sergeant Deb, thank you for getting me with me. I really appreciate it. Heck yeah. 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