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You say the was people around saying. Can you give me a little description of what their terrain was like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=7.54,15.369"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e To Chiapas?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=17.7,18.579"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=18.58,19.58"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, Chiapas the part I was in was the Pacific Coast area called the Socomusco.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=19.78,30.574"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e Called what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=32.979,33.749"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Socomusco is just the local term for the strip along the Pacific of kind of lowland tropics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=33.75,41.38"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e Two Words?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=43.35,43.959"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it's one. It's probably an Indian name or some kind. I'm not sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=43.96,48.748"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e So you couldn't spell it phonetically?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=51.3,52.497"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, it s o c o m u s c o. And it's very lush, green tropics, the part of Guatemala I was in around Malacatan, Tucuman, Cacahoatan. There's also that low Pacific tropical area. I did travel through the Highlands through a metal scene. And around by way of of San Cristola. And when I came back from Chiapas, but just passing through. Not really spending a lot of time there. That's the area where the Guatemalan refugee camps are and where a lot of the Guatemalan Guatemalan refugees from the highlands came across who were not traveling. Virtually all of the Guatemalans and Salvadorans who were gowing north were coming up through the top to area. So it's it's lush, pretty tropical, humid hot. With very attractive beaches along the Pacific.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=52.498,138.169"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e And capital itself is not in the hills.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=139.01,142.089"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e No, it's down just barely above sea level, about 20 kilometers from the ocean. It's a fairly ugly commercial city. It's kind of grown rapidly, I suppose, during the last decade or so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=142.61,159.65"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e How many people live there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=160.55,161.55"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e I think the population is supposed to be about eighty thousand eighty.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=162.68,166.5"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e Eighty Thousand. That's not a big city, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=166.82,168.185"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e It's not it's not enormous, but it's it's fair sized.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=168.186,173.926"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e OK. How long did you spend there as opposed to Guatemala?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=175.89,177.486"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Most of the time I was in the top two area rather than Guatemala. I can't remember how much time I was in Guatemala, but I think it was only a week or so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=177.996,187.68"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e And, you were gone for a total of..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=188.31,189.444"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e About six weeks and. Most of that time in the Tapachula area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=189.445,197.509"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Speaker:\u003c/strong\u003e OK. I hear you say that. This tamasi thought you were Guatemalan? There is one from your class who came from Guatemala about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=200.4,215.741"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e What was I talking about there? the fact that the only way you could read that I would be someone escaping out of Guatemala would be if you thought that I was one of the Spanish priests of whom there were quite a few. And there are Spanish priests in Guatemala who look a lot the way I do. And I later verified that that there was, in fact, a Spanish priest that had come across with a large part of his parish and was hiding in the Kakao Aton area. 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I mean, the thing is that there most of the priests coming out of Spain probably were influenced by the reforms of Vatican 2. That is those in Guatemala, not necessarily. For example, the the new bishop in top of Tapachula now is a Spaniard who specialized in canon law and lived most of his life in Franco's Spain. He knew how to get along. And in fact, personally, there are a good many Spanish priests that were associated with Franco. But I have run into a good many Spanish priests with the Guatemalan church in exile and connected with the Guatemalan church, who would either be inclined towards liberation theology or at the very least, towards what may the Yean had to say about the fact that the church should concern itself with the poor, which is all it takes in Guatemala to Put a person on the outs.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=260.06,341.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e In other words, it liberation theology makes it sound as though there's some new theology that's popped up that people are adhering to, and the ordinary priest who adheres to the gospel in Guatemala is considered an enemy of the states.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=341.31,356.73"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e So there was a lot of persecution of Catholic priests?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=358.36,359.893"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e The church was very suspect. Continues to be in Guatemala. I can't remember whether Rios Montt was in power then or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=364.22,372.99"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e Is he is power again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=372.991,373.831"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no. But at that at the time I was down there the first time, I think that he had his coup just. No, I think it came a little after. But I'm not sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=374.766,385.279"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e OK. And then you ran into this priest who was a redneck. Would you just go and approach them and tell them straight out who you were?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=389.04,398.659"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. I would talk very directly. 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That was also a collarbone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=444.01,445.589"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e And there is like usually one church in town?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=447.47,449.763"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e In those smaller towns, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=449.764,451.95"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e And you go to that church and go up to the door and tell the priest?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=453.49,457.052"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Usually that's pretty much what I do. I sometimes I would have some lead in that would give them a little more confidence in me. But much of the time, I you see, I did not really ask them things. You know, in other words, I didn't ask this priest in Cacahoatan anything about refugees out in camps and whatnot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=457.053,479.129"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e But I was concerned about establishing contacts where the refugees on the border up here would be able to have contacts. In other words, the various tie ins. And so usually it had to do with our services up on the US-Mexican border and ways in which that tied into whatever was happening down there so that they didn't need to trust me, particularly with regard to refugees. They were hiding out in the bushes somewhere. And so most of them were willing to be fairly open in that context. This one in Tecolotan, was not. 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The fact that we had large numbers of refugees deported from Nogales, Mexico, what the program of services was that we had in Tucson, how how refugees or priests or others could get in touch with us of the needs we had for contacts so that we would be able to tell refugees, where to go, what to do when they were dumped on the border. 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And I did see refugees talked with them and so forth and in different ways. But I couldn't talk with them very directly without. On the one hand, putting myself in jeopardy and on the other hand, expecting them to trust me more than I should.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=585.558,619.63"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e So I simply circulated around, talked with priests, talked with some Salvadorans and Guatemalans in a context that didn't compromise them or me. 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The danger was just incidental, say like that shooting in Malachatan upon. And I think that my cover was quite understandable to most folks. That is, I made it a standard thing. Gringos rarely stay around Tapachula. Tourists rarely stay around Tapachula or those low tropics because they're unpleasant places for them. They are hot or humid. There is picturesque, pleasant country very nearby. And so there was a question of why a gringo would be hanging around where tourists usually don't hang around. And I simply had the stock conversation about my arthritis. They could see visibly that I was crippled. 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The thing is that that in in trying to understand something that's out of place, if people can visibly see something that seems like a logical hook up, then it's no longer out of place and feeling that they understand that they no longer question it. And so that's basically what I did was make it very understandable why I might be hanging around and worked very well. I had conversations with immigration agents and customs agents in Ciudad Hidalgo in a restaurant or whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=707.247,752.159"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e You wouldn't ask them about refugees or anything like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=754.42,757.749"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I can. I would soon have that topic up, but I would never ask it. It's something that they would be interested enough in that given certain kinds of conversation, it would be very reasonable on my part as a tourist, they would come up with conversation about refugees. 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They're written up in the newspapers. Various people have different opinions of them. Newspapers call them illegals. And while I was down there, there was one article, one of the papers in Tapachula in which the minister, the procurator of Justice. Something like the state attorney general.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=794.18,824.82"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, here it is. The procurator of justice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=825.54,829.239"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah. But they're all delinquents.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=829.6,831.33"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e Have a criminal record and only come here to make crime.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=831.331,832.906"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Right. So you've got that full range of opinions that come up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=832.907,838.196"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e So is it still. I guess the impression I got was that the Mexican government was only deporting them because the U.S. government was paying for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=840.47,852.86"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, that's from the northern border. Obviously, they the Mexican government would find it in its interests just to let them leave Mexico and Sonora rather than catching them and sending them all the way back to the Guatemalan border, where they know that the probability is they just start north again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=853.19,870.399"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e On the other hand, in the Chiapas area, there was the motive that would be normal to probably most states of keeping non-citizens out and discouraging them from coming. So that the people in Chiapas who are being caught and deported could very easily have been involved. That is part of it because of reasons that the Mexican state had for wanting to get rid of them, not just the US. It's just when you reached the northern border. That becomes very clear that the only government having an interest in sending the refugees all the way back to Mexico's other border. 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The fellow who was working for the AFSC Pasadena office on the border program had informed me of this, that had a conversation about immigration issues and refugees in Mexicali I think midsummer of 81. A Mexican immigration official had stated that the U.S. government paid Mexico by the head for deporting refugees. I've never been able to get a firm confirmation of that, although the fellow by the name of Picardo Javier, who was working for a San Diego paper and then was working for Time magazine out of Mexico City in El Salvador, said that he had, in fact, seen a copy of the agreement between INS and the Mexican government, which was in the possession of Jose Luis Perez Canchola, who has been an activist concerned with refugee rights in the Tijuana area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=932.057,1008.724"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e So there is some unofficial confirmation floating around.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1008.98,1012.704"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, a reliable reporter for Time magazine said that he had, in fact, seen a copy of that agreement.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1015.982,1024.109"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e That's good enough for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1025.938,1026.938"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e His name is Ricardo Chavira. Last I knew, he was working for Time magazine out of Mexico City.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1029.45,1034.848"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e What's his last name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1034.849,1035.689"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Chavira C H A V I R A. He did work for a San Diego paper. And that was when he found out about this document that he said Louis Perez Canchola had.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1036.448,1045.441"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e OK. OK. Did you ever go to these as long as they polencia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1061.38,1065.153"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e The red light areas?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1071.554,1073.58"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1073.582,1074.582"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Puerto Madero is a port town. Well, the nearest place to the Pacific, Tapachula and I went there through an afternoon or so, talked with a number of the women there. Then I also was back there on other occasions with press who were interested in the circumstances. The report in People magazine, for example, and also with the Sacramento Bee folks. Puerto Madero pretty much, you know, the red light district was a refugee camp, basically the way it run. I never went, you know, into any of the places they're in Tapachula. They were actually located only about three or four blocks from the kodaly Church. And let's see. When I was there with the Sacramento Bee folks, I simply looked in at Cacahoatan because that was after the big shootout between the local police and the federal policiales, who got control of the prostitution business there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1075.89,1157.472"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e And I don't know whether I ever mentioned that to you but they they had and they'd shot and killed a number of policiasles, federal policiales and a number of state police in something like gang warfare in the red light district in Cacahoatan, trying to control the trade. That is to decide who got control over it. And so we went looked at the whole area, had all these Heavies probably federal policiales sitting around looking somber and watching and not much of anything happening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1157.91,1195.56"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e You mean they get payoffs from the prostitutes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1195.561,1196.947"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Less common. Yes. Local officials will always be getting payoffs. But there are frequently different agencies of state and local government that are something like rival gangs in the Mafia or something where they you know, it doesn't do to have only. Well. It doesn't do to have everyone taking the payoffs or no one is giving them protection. And so if everyone tries to shakedown, say, the red light districts, then there's no reason for the red light. Light districts to go along with anyone. They may as well just take their chances because there is no limit to what what they're subjected to. And the idea of a protection racket is that you protect from the other folks. Well, government, of course, always is. It was formed as a protection racket. It got started just the way the mafia did, government per se and in Mexico, you got these competing gangs where you don't have a very definite limit on jurisdiction, where you know who controls the territory. And so this had been a shootout between two different law enforcement branches to determine who would control the prostitution in our town. In Matamoros, there was a big shoot out when I was there once in connection with kidnaping where who was going to be able to, you know, kidnap with impunity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1199.933,1306.359"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e OK, so these women, you would go and talk to them. 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And so a lot of it really had to do with the whole problem connected with women and that if they are young and saleable, they're indefinitely exploitable. And as refugees, they're completely vulnerable. It's a little different in the case of men who maybe can be employed for a while and not paid and then they take off. But if you have a man who has no money, you know, he's not very exploitable except in so far as you can pay him low wages.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1319.34,1398.198"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e With a woman. Usually the woman is going to be much more vulnerable to almost indefinite exploitation. So anyway, the situation with regard to how people ended up where they were. We had cases of folks in Tucson, for example I remember one Guatemalan woman who was sold into prostitution in Tapachula, her. Parents were in the retail label. I think that's the way its pronounced area on the coast in Guatemala. And they were afraid for her because of the situation, wanted to get her out of Guatemala, hired a coyote to take her to Los Angeles, and the coyote took the money and took her up to put it in Nevada and sold her into prostitution. 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What happened There were a couple of women from Guatemala, as I recall, who ended up in the penitentiary in Nogales. They were high risk. One was had been involved in in union organizing in Guatemala. And another one was from the San Marcos area that was being targeted. They had met us there at the penitentiary. Then deported. Then were back again in about three weeks, having managed to work their way up. And I never went into this in detail that is The woman who ended up sold into prostitution in Puerto Madero never said that in so many words. These two women ended up dumped at the Suchiate and somehow ended up in Puerto Madero, and all three of them managed to work their way up, hitching rides with truck drivers back to the border. 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I'm not absolutely sure that's that's the charismatic priest who had the retreat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1601.62,1609.68"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e Can I say Pedro? Would that be OK?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1609.681,1610.794"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e I probably would. Now he's no longer in Tapachula. 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It's not like they're evangelical or anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1628.54,1632.626"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e No. But, you know, the charismatics go into this kind of enthusiastic. 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And and this group that he took you to speak to? Who were they?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780#t=1666.956,1670.75"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74780/transcript/8791/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e That that was that retreat. There were about maybe 300 or so, I can't remember exactly. And it was on the retreat. That was during the days when they celebrate the Virgin of Guadalupe. So the retreat was really focused on that. And so the day was given over to prayers and other things, but including the fact that he made, oh, about an hour or so available for me first talk. 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And. Anyway, it also had to do with the need to respond to the refugees. All the way from Tapachula to Tucson and people broke up into kind of action groups and which is an organizing technique that I don't think is usually associated with charismatics and went ahead worked out all sorts of things. They decided some of them were in a village close to the roadblock, at least LA or they they could give people special aid and getting around the roadblock. Some of them were just up in a village where they had some pigs that they raised and they could provide a piglet for the refugees in prison in Tapachula for Christmas. And the local women got organized to provide food. 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In order just to be able to tell people of different possibilities when they were dumped on the border.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=242.11,268.055"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e You mean, where the roadblocks were?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=268.056,269.211"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, in this particular case, it had had more to do with. You see, if they were dumped in Guatemala, what it would take to get to college or to walk it back. Finding out what, if any, help was around in the various places. Most of what I concluded was that there wasn't much of anything that could be done through the mails or wiring money or anything in Guatemala just because of the extreme repression there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=275.379,312.389"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e So they would be bussed to Guatemala In addition to leaving them in Chiapas?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=314.82,317.882"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e No,  they would be put on the bridge. One of the two bridges or the suicide thing either at COLB Diago or a this mine. And then they just walk over to the Guatemalan side and present themselves.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=317.883,333.48"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e That's what they are always supposed to do. the Guatemalan government would just let them in?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=333.481,335.833"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e It did vary a lot. But at that time, a majority of virtually all of the Salvadorans were permitted back in. Frequently they were shaken down first. And there was no one set pattern. Sometimes they would be deported back all the way to El Salvador.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=336.683,349.521"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e On the bus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=349.522,350.152"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e On the buses, sometimes they would be imprisoned in terrible conditions for a while and then turned loose. Sometimes they would be told to get out of Guatemala within 10 minutes. You know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=361.179,371.126"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e In prisoned in Guatemala?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=374.752,377.831"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, they would be held in a cell in a place like policemen under very unpleasant conditions. So the story is varied. They didn't seem to be any one set procedure. And there was one Cuban I ran into in the penitentiary in Nogales who had been been deported several times and he had been in the United States. He was one of the boat people that have come over and he filed for political asylum. He went in over to Tijuana to get drunk, not realizing that he couldn't come back in on a political asylum application, that he forfeited his application by doing that. They refused to let him in and apparently either turned him directly over to Mexican immigration or or else he fell into the hands of Mexican immigration. And he would he would be deported back to the border there at either Talisman or right or wrong.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=378.37,446.61"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e And of course, as far as those ordinary soldiers are concerned, a Cuban is the enemy. And, you know, a Cuban running around loose without papers in Guatemala was not going to last long at all. And they would just tell him, get out of the country immediately and he would cross the suit shop day and work his way north again and get caught again and sent back. And for all I know, that poor Cuban is still going back and forth. But, you know, a lot of Cubans are really hard headed in a peculiar way where they they decide that they've got the law or the right or something on their side and they won't modify their approach. So at least once, maybe twice. He just went right back and presented himself to the U.S. immigration and said, you guys made a mistake, I should be let in. And they said, nope, back your way again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=450.48,505.704"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e I spent about 30 minutes trying to explain to him that he wasn't going to get in that way, and he was arguing with me and I kept saying.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=511.56,521.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e He thought that they would let him in if they knew?.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=521.4,522.891"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Well they were wrong, that he was a political asylee, a Cuban. He'd fled Fidel and all that sort of thing. Therefore, he had a right to be in the United States. And, you know, I. I told him, look, if you just don't present yourself to the people at the border, go around to the fence and sneak in. And then once you're caught, you say you're a Cuban and probably they'll let you file for asylum. And and he wasn't about to do that. I don't think I ever persuaded him to try differently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=523.559,553.424"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e He was gotta do it by the book?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=553.442,554.492"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, no, I mean, he he thought he had the right to be in. And so when I left him, I think he was still determined after he got deported back to Guatemala to come back up and present himself at the port of entry and say, I'm a Cuban, then I have a right to be here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=556.68,570.239"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe kind of like that Cuban who was going to be on the jury.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=572.83,576.47"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Maybe it's some people say a lot of Cubans will be kind of like that. I don't know what it is about the culture.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=578.73,584.339"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Miriam Davidson:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, he was like everyone should get their fair turn to come in. I don't think people should be There's no other way Oh, yeah. People say there's no other way to get into he United States except the way I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=584.84,594.342"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, there was a trace of that in that guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=598.68,601.522"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Speaker:\u003c/strong\u003e Ok, well I can't think of anything else. Of course I haven't written it and questions always come up. Yes, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=619.396,622.69"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Jim Corbett:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, it's it's closer to one of the crossings in Tucson is.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=623.83,628.634"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003e Speaker:\u003c/strong\u003e So shold I shut it off?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779#t=640.89,643.07"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/910/collection_resources/18464/file/74779/transcript/8793/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/008/793/original/azu_ms433_005_side2_a_%281%29.vtt?1586179067","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/008/793/original/azu_ms433_005_side2_a_%281%29.vtt?1586179067"}]}]}]}