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Is the foundation on which all science rests? It is a question we have not answered. We believed once that the atom was the smallest particle, the building block from which all else was made. We were wrong. High Energy physicists have since discovered another world of particles, so tiny so brief that the ultimate structure of the universe may be within our understanding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=78.0,112.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Hi, and welcome to Arizona alumni forum. I'm Kent Rollins, director of the Arizona Alumni Association. Today we're going to be talking about the superconducting supercollider also known as SSC. With me is Dr. Peter Carruthers, head of our Physics Department. And Miss Margie mechanical, our federal relations director. And I want to welcome both of you to Arizona alumni forum. You know, oddly enough, our very first show in 1985, was about the SSC. But we talked really in some very general terms. Now, in more recent days, you've had a great amount of publicity. And we'd like to talk tonight about that. Peter, my first question for you is that you left a very successful operation in Los Alamos National Laboratories to come to Arizona to head up a physics program. Why do you do that? What What did you see in University of Arizona, or in the SSC that, that brought you to us?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=113.0,167.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I see a great opportunity for the future in the university in the state, and believe the state has an excellent chance of winning the SSC competition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=168.0,179.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The physics, let's talk just for a second about the physics department. Why is a strong Physics Department important to what your work is with the SSC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=180.0,189.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It's unlikely that a project of this magnitude would be sited in a state which did not have excellent academic program in high energy physics. For example, a major component of such a laboratory is the education of first class graduate students. And that is done best in university, even if their research activity is in the in the laboratory that we're discussing. So you have to have first rate faculty in order to accomplish that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=190.0,217.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What, how large department are you proposing to build? How might you do that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=218.0,223.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, at the moment, we believe in asymptotic, size of 40 faculty would be adequate for really first first class physics departments. If we should be so lucky as to obtain the SSC in the state, both University of Arizona and Arizona State University plan to make a major expansion of high energy physics. So you might imagine another 10 or 12, professors working in this field, lots of postdoctoral fellows, students, international traffic of all sorts, very exciting operation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=224.0,258.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How long would it take you to say put all that group together?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=259.0,261.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, the plan for building up the physics faculty without the SSC is anticipated to span over five or six years. Of course, the facility itself wouldn't be constructed for some eight to 10 years downstream, even though you have to have people in place designing experiments building apparatus to make the measurements ahead of time. So we're talking about a five to 10 year build up plan no matter what the results are of this quest. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=262.0,291.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Now, you are also the committee chairman who is putting together the proposal for the SSC What does that in On how much time you spending in that I'm assuming quite a bit right now,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=292.0,302.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well, often 4am until midnight, seven days a week, if the same is true of my counterparts all over the country. In fact, there are many components to this activity. And one thing we've all enjoyed is getting to make new friends and in all walks of life. So the university people are working with private sector people. We are interacting with state government, with the national legislature. And there's a new spirit of excitement and cooperation, which I've never seen before. That's good. This project combines the most cerebral, wonderful, exciting, basic knowledge with with plain old fashioned greed. Okay. So it brings us all together in a common effort.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=303.0,345.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, Margie, as director of federal relations for the University of Arizona, how does your job come into play with the SSC proposals?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=346.0,354.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, this is a federal project, the money will come through the Department of Energy to the state. And it is going to take very much cooperation with Congress and the agency, do we in the White House to get this through? So my job initially was to make sure that our Arizona delegation was behind this project, and supportive and it's now expanded really to make sure that this, this gets through, get through Congress authorized and appropriated, and so forth. But it is it's going to take all of the work of our delegation, and all delegations to get this just through Congress, much less assigned to a specific state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=355.0,395.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay. If you'll stay with us, we're going to come back in just a moment and see some video on the SSC itself. Please stay with us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=396.0,416.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome back to Arizona alumni forum. I'm Kent Rollins, director of the Alumni Association. Today we're talking about the superconducting supercollider known as also as SSC and witness are Dr. Peter Carruthers, head of our physics department, and Miss margin mechanical or federal relations director. First thing we're going to do is we're going to watch just a short bit of video about the SSC itself. Then we'll come back and ask Dr. Carruthers to explain it a little bit more in detail. So let's watch the video.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=417.0,446.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: There will be two adjacent rings of metal pipe about 60 miles in circumference. The rings will be contained in a huge circular concrete tunnel that will be 20 to 30 feet underground. The pipes will enclose a vacuum, and will be placed between long powerful electromagnets that will be cooled to an ultra low temperature. Inside each of those two pipes, will be a thin beam of protons whirling around the ring in opposite directions at nearly the speed of light. at several locations around the ring, the beams would be steered toward each other. Occasionally, two protons collide. The collisions that occur are so energetic that the particles change into a shower of high velocity sub nuclear","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=447.0,494.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: particles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=495.0,499.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Since scientists split the atom, the number of pieces has been growing. As they have pumped more and more energy into these collisions, they've discovered some 200 new particles. Our world divides into two basic kinds of particles. leptons, which includes the electron, and quarks, which are the stuff that make up the nucleus of the atom. Matter on earth is formed from the first generation of these leptons and quarks. Yet larger accelerators of the 50s and 60s allowed scientists to discover a second generation of particles more massive than the first. And the new even larger accelerators now in use have led to the discovery of even a third generation of still heavier particles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=500.0,548.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, Dr. Carruthers? We've seen just a brief bit of tape, but I think it's important now maybe for you to give us in layman's term. Why is this project important to us?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=549.0,561.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: for 2000 years or more, scientists have been trying to understand what matter is made of and how the pieces interact among themselves. We usually find out in retrospect that this basic knowledge show ends up in our TV set or in our automobile or in our everyday life. A lot of the fun about doing science is that you can't predict what's going to happen. So that is one thing I would say. The particular machine we're talking about is, as it was explained, intended to provide high energy protons which collide with each other To reveal the structure inside the proton, where we now believe that the texture of a proton is at least as complicated as the structure of a nucleus, we know that how in the beginning of the century we unravel the the atom pulled out the electrons and the nuclei. This led to all kinds of things like x rays, electron beams, accelerators. Finally, we've picked apart the nucleus, and all sorts of things good and bad came out of that, that enterprise. Now inside the nucleus, we know there are protons and neutrons. And we have every reason to believe that they are composed of quarks and glue and lots of ephemeral, rare, heavy objects, which we're gradually finding more and more of as we increase the energy of the colliding particles. The idea of Einstein that mass is equivalent to energy is beautifully revealed in these experiments where the kinetic energy of motion which can be made, essentially, arbitrarily large, if you have arbitrarily large budgets in arbitrarily large machines, this energy emotion can be converted into mass of some very heavy, rare particles. And when you find one of these objects, you meditate about what it means in terms of the structure of space, time, and matter and how the whole business fits together in a coherent conceptual framework. And that's what makes it so interesting. To find the again and again, nature has invented something simple, and beautiful. Still, though, we have a whole bunch of things we don't understand. Like we have a whole Zoo of particles, the quarks and leptons. We haven't the faintest idea of why they weigh as much as they do. Then we blame it on conjectured particles, that are the inner inner wheels, the workings of all of this giant apparatus, those particles are usually just outside of the reach of current technology. Therefore, we have to build a new machine to check out the ideas. Every once in a while you find something totally unexpected. Sometimes you find something you even predicted. I don't know, which is more fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=562.0,720.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So in essence, you could wind a building the SSC, but possibly not really realize upfront what it's going to mean to us in the long run.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=721.0,732.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: We have a list of anticipated objects that will fill our new zoo. But I expect someone won't be found some things will be found that we never guessed. And the theorists have to go back all over again to reconstruct the view their worldview from the ground up. It's a strange building is an enormous edifice of science. And the foundations are constantly in a state of repair. This is a paradox of basic science is that there's a top the top is well constructed. We build bridges, we have airplanes, we have TVs, all sorts of fancy things. But at the deepest, most microscopic level, we haven't quite figured out what's going on. So everything else in a way depends on on finding out what's happening in the microcosm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=733.0,782.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay. If you'll stay with us, we're going to come back in just a few moments watch a little more video about several sites that are under consideration in the state of Arizona. So please stay with us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=783.0,809.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=810.0,812.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome back to Arizona alumni forum. I'm Kent Rollins. Today we're talking about the superconducting supercollider, also known as SSC with Dr. Peter Carruthers and Margie McGonigal. Margie, we're going to talk a little bit now maybe about the political side of this whole process. I know we're in a heated competition. What are Arizona's real chances of getting the SFC proposal?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=813.0,837.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: There's no question this is going to be a tough fight. The thing that we've got going for us is we have we will have about the best sites in all the competition. We will hope that that carries us a long way. And it's going to take a lot of work with our congressional delegation in everybody. We've gotten Arizona, as I mentioned earlier fighting for this, but we obviously would like to push the merits of Arizona, which of which we have many and in fact, this is a project that is designed for Arizona, and we feel it's perfect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=838.0,874.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I know we have we're where I think you started out with what 30 some Arizona sites you're now down to briefly tell us where those are and then we'll watch the tape.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=875.0,884.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: One is south west of Phoenix, encircling the Maricopa mountains and the other is southwest of Tucson run the Sarita mountains, both within about 25 miles of the airports in Phoenix and Tucson, which is a major Acid Fraser.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=885.0,901.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, let's watch the video on our two potential sites.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=902.0,906.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The technical team looking at six promising sites throughout Arizona has confirmed two excellent ones, the Maricopa side just south of Phoenix, and the surina site near Tucson. In March, the team flew over the two sides to document the geotechnical qualities of each. The team headed by the state's consulting engineer Bob Miller, included geologists, ecologists, biologists, archaeologists, and groundwater experts. The team first looked at the Maricopa site. The southern most point of the proposed 52 mile ring lies at interstate eight and the southeastern Maricopa mountains. It goes north and east to the railroad tracks near the town of mobiel. tunnels beneath the center of the Northern Maricopa mountains. arcs south and west across the old Butterfield stage route about 50 miles east of Hilo Ben, and re crosses interstate eight again at the southern Maricopa mountains. It is an outstanding site 90% of it is federally owned. But the greatest advantage according to consulting engineer Bob Miller, is the weak rock that has been documented on both sides geotechnical conditions that allows Arizona to dig 50% of the giant ring with cut and cover techniques rather than tunnels. Cut in cover simply means digging a large trench installing the concrete tunnel and covering it back up. Arizona used precisely that technique to build the Central Arizona Project and has documented the advantages","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=907.0,999.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: on the Central Arizona Project they actually using this technology drove 22 miles, the CHP and something under a year and a half, there is no way that that that can be done with tunneling in a year and a half. It's not possible. We think that we have at least we have between a one and a half year and almost three year advantage over other states on schedule, partially because of our cutting cover ability. And partially because of our weather conditions that help us and hurt other people. The people that we would would be used on that are probably already here in Arizona. They're out of work copper miners, and there are people that have worked on the Central Arizona Project for the past several years. Those people have the specific skills that would be required to develop this in Arizona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1000.0,1046.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Half the Maricopa site lies within wilderness study areas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1047.0,1051.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What we found in our helicopter trip in March was that a good portion of this wilderness area has been accessed by everything from the Butterfield stage route in 1800s, to modern day jeeps and bicycles. What this does, as far as the project is concerned is it allows us to get our big drilling trucks in to take diamond core samples, utilizing existing roads so that we are not damaging the wilderness area further. The second","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1052.0,1082.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: possible Arizona site in circles the Sarita mountains about five miles east of Green Valley. It illustrates the strength of both Arizona sites, there is very little speculation about the quality or suitability of the Arizona sites. The advantages are visible and documented. Accessibility for example, it took only seven minutes from the time the helicopter lifted off from Tucson International Airport to reach the ring site. Available support services is another advantage. The ring lies near the twin buttes mine, this power plant is already built and capable of delivering supplementary peak load power supply. During the construction phase, this warehouse can store and fine tune that giant magnets required for the ring, and it's accessible by rail. Physicists studying the Big Bang Theory with the help of the SSC would be able to look up and see Kitt Peak already to focus for astronomers studying the same phenomenon. For those who believe that the return on investment from the SSC is based on the quality of the minds who have access to it, that brain trust in the astronomical community in Arizona is critical. There are no wilderness areas at the Serena site. However, engineers are studying ways to preserve a Bobwhite nesting area and creating a riparian preserve on the effluent ponds. Because engineers can cut and cover much of the ring at the syreeta site. Instead of digging a 52 mile tunnel. Miller says Arizona has a cost advantage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1083.0,1173.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Based on our first screening study numbers for the surina site, it would appear that we are at least $100 million cheaper, that's about 25 to 30% cheaper than the central design groups estimate for a generic us site.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1174.0,1187.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Miller's not speculating when he talks about the cost advantages. These terraces were made by the twin buttes mine using identical methods to those proposed for desert Tron and the mine is provided data about both the geotechnical conditions and the cost. They went further than that. They drilled a test tunnel about the size required for the SSC. Just to confirm their findings. Arizona can build the tunnel cheaper and faster, faster, cheaper and no surprises. Bob Miller says all those reasons give Arizona the edge. Arizona has","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1188.0,1221.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: two excellent sites without question. Okay, welcome","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1222.0,1229.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: back. We've seen a little bit back to Crothers about the two proposed sites. Tell us briefly. Do you have to choose between one are you going to suggest both what happens now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1230.0,1242.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: At present, we're planning to pursue both sites to completion. Unless we learn something in our technical studies, which clearly makes one superior to the other. The sites are different, they have different merits. They might appeal differently to some distant committee reviewing us then then we ourselves. The Maricopa site is close to one of the world's best airports. It's open all the time and like the sites of some of our competitors. The syreeta site is using a way less environmentally sensitive because there's been a lot of mining activity there already. And perhaps it would be preferable to some to some people. The Maricopa site has potential environmental concerns. But we believe the nature of the machine being underground is not going to impact those on close evaluation.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1243.0,1292.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, stay with us. We're going to come back in just a moment and talk about the economic impacts of SSC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1293.0,1315.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome back to Arizona alumni forum. My guest today are Dr. Peter Carruthers, head of our physics program. And Margie McGonigal, our Director of federal relations. We know a little bit more now about what it is and where it might be. I think margi one of the biggest questions in the state is what does it really mean to the state? What's the economic impact to the state of Arizona, if we win the competition,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1316.0,1340.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that's actually very exciting aspect of this, the job, jobs alone could be up to 12 or 13,000. Through the entire project, just as it's being built construction, so forth, there's looked at to be 3000 permanent jobs coming out of this, that will be working at the the facility, and then there will be people coming in and out from all over the world working at the facility, the impact in the end what this means in dollars to the state. During construction, it's lifted, meaning maybe $600 million to the state. This will carry on after the facility is built in. Tourism in industry. And further other development that is looked at as being very exciting. There is the use of unemployed workers that we have right now from the mines that already know how to build this sort of facility, it's perfect for them to do also their employees from the CPAP. By the time this gets going, the CPAP will be finished. We look at having a very qualified workforce already in place to go to work on this at very short notice. The Hello, Peter, do you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1341.0,1416.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: anticipate anticipated impact on the Indian reservations feature closely located to these each of these sites?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1417.0,1425.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: There's a there is a program we can or there's a program to draw on of in ployment here with Native Americans. And I think that there's some exciting possibilities closer to some of these reservations. And there have been previously for a lot of work. And we've seen this done and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1426.0,1444.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: oh, how did the environmentalist feel about the SSE project?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1445.0,1449.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think that the main concern is they would have weighed in to assess what the environmental impact would be how severe it will be. The federal government obviously requires that you have environmental impact study. We're already we've been working on the environmental impact for two years. We're not required to do a full blown environmental impact until the final site is chosen. That will require a lot more money in most states are not getting in. Do not have the money to put into that right now. But certainly, environmental support for this will be very important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1450.0,1486.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What's what kind of a timeframe? You said Dr Crothers that you would suggest both sites as in the proposal. When will a selection be made as to the site and then when would they build actually start once the site is awarded to her a proposal is accepted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1487.0,1504.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Department of Energy has set up the rules for the competition. So that announcement of a shortlist of technical excellent sites should be made. And in January of the coming year 1988 by July of 88, they're supposed to choose among these competitors, the the winner, it will take six months to get ready for an environmental study to be made to make sure it's an acceptable site and to allow construction to begin in January of 1989. Just before the new presidential administration takes office.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1505.0,1539.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, Margie, do we have the political clout to pull this off? Who's our competition","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1540.0,1544.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: along with Arizona, as far as the major sites states in competition are Texas, Illinois, California, I would say Colorado, Ohio. I think our edge will be starting we have a couple of ideas, and one is a Southwest regional coalition. And then also western states coalition, just getting it through getting it appropriated and adding strength, you know, calling on states around us who would like to see it in our state if they don't themselves get it. Okay, and calling on their political clout to add to ours, and I think that will be an asset.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1545.0,1580.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: There are precedents for the success of this approach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1581.0,1583.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay. I want to thank you both. We're out of time. I appreciate you being here. And we hope you'll stay with us next month when we're back to Arizona alumni forum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331#t=1584.0,1586.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73582/file/159331/transcript/37777/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/037/777/original/azu_ms646-020_a.vtt?1652821214","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/037/777/original/azu_ms646-020_a.vtt?1652821214"}]}]}]}