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Interview conducted in Cox's office at Harvard University. Cox was the Prosecutor during the Watergate Scandal. Cox had a relationship with Morris and Stewart Udall. Cox was a specialist in labor law, and worked with the Udall's on labor issues in Congress."]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["audio cassette"]}},{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["University of Arizona Libraries"]}},{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["Copyright held by University of Arizona Libraries."]}},{"label":{"en":["Identifier"]},"value":{"en":["MS396.010 (uid)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Oral Histories"]}}],"summary":{"en":["Oral history with Archibald Cox conducted by Julie Ferdon. Interview conducted in Cox's office at Harvard University. Cox was the Prosecutor during the Watergate Scandal. Cox had a relationship with Morris and Stewart Udall. 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Good morning. It's Wednesday, October 20, 1999 and we're in the Harvard University Office of Professor Archibald Cox. My name is Julie ferdon, and I would like to welcome you, Professor Cox, and thank you for participating in this project, but I hope I can help. I'm sure you can, Professor, you are probably best known in this country for your role as special prosecutor during Watergate scandal and as a chief victim of the Saturday Night Massacre, which may have been the last straw in the collapse of the Nixon administration today. However, I would like to explore, in that lesser known part of your life, your relationship with Congressman Morris K Udall and his brother, former Interior Secretary Stuart Udall. But I'd like to begin, if I could just with a brief biographical background. You were born in plainsville, New Jersey in 1912 is that? Yes? Yes. Where were you educated? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=1.0,62.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I was educated in Plainfield up to the third form, as it was called at private schools in Plainfield. Then I went to St Paul's School. The third form is equivalent to freshman year at high school, St Paul schools in Concord, New Hampshire. I was there for four years, then came to Harvard College and Harvard Law School. Am","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=63.0,97.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I correct that both your father and grandfather were Harvard Law graduates? Yes, it's a long tradition,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=98.0,103.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, well, yes, on both sides of the family, strongly legal tradition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=104.0,110.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And did one of your sons go here as well? He","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=111.0,113.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: wouldn't have any part of being alive. I forgot her, who became a member of the bar. Most","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=114.0,121.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: children were the same. After law school, you clerked for Judge, Learned Hand of the court of Court of Appeals in New York. Eventually, in, I think, 1946 you became a full professor here at your alma mater at Harvard specializing in labor law in 1954 when you were, I think, also advising Senator John Kennedy in labor issues. Stuart Udall ran for and was elected to Congress from Arizona. Did you know Stewart as a congressman,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=122.0,160.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yes, I was almost commuting to Washington in 57 or 58 I'm not sure, but in the late 50s and the Senate passed the labor bill sponsored by Senator John F Kennedy, and then it went, came out in the house, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=161.0,193.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Stuart Udall was one of the People in the House who was supportive of the legislation, and I met him and became slightly familiar with him on that on that series of occasions, that eventually the bill didn't go anywhere in that session of Congress in the house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=194.0,224.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: But the following winter, I delivered a series of lectures. I guess I was on sabbatical here, or maybe I delivered a series of lectures at UCLA. It's possible I was also teaching there as a visiting professor, but I know got sufficiently equated with Stuart, with Stuart, so that he invited us to come back by way of Tucson and stop off and spend the night with him and his wife, which I and my wife did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=225.0,266.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Would you have any idea when that was? That was, well, he was still a congressman. 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I'm conducting a series of seminars in Stuart, Udall office, congressional office on that bill, not specifically, okay, he mentioned something to that effect. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=298.0,313.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: could be, I'm sorry that's all right, the expert was drafted on trailing of the bill, and it's Stuart Udall was a leading proponent in the house. I think it might be step too much to say the leading proponent, but one of one of the two, three, and it may well be that we had small meetings in his office.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=314.0,349.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I am backing up just a little bit. When you mentioned visiting Stuart Udall in his home in Tucson, did you have occasion one in Tucson to meet his brother Morris Udall, I'm sorry, did you have occasion when in Tucson to meet his brother Morris Udall,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=350.0,365.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I don't think so. I met his wife. We talked about they even been very early 1960 but 60? Well, either December 59 or early 60, I think it was, and I remember very much talking with Stuart and his wife about Kennedy for president, and rather succeeded in persuading her. He was more doubtful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=366.0,410.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, he became, he became a Kennedy fan, yes, and he was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=411.0,416.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: critical that get the convention, at least, very important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=417.0,420.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: He I know he chaired the Arizona, the Arizona delegation, and worked in the delegate count at the convention. I think maybe he even seconded the nomination. Or could be when, after Kennedy was elected, he appointed you as Solicitor General. Yes, a little side light a later Solicitor General Rex Lee was a first cousin of Moe's and Stewart and Oh, really, well, in fact, grew up in their home. Were you aware of that at all? No, they weren't okay. I wondered about that connection. I'm not sure how many people were aware of that. There's a long line of Republican Udalls. In 1961 Stuart became Secretary of the Interior while you were Solicitor General. Did you have any contact with each other during that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=421.0,477.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yes, most of it was when there were cases in the Supreme Court that carrier was interested in. Most of them wouldn't have been of importance to the secretary. But occasionally, somewhere and we didn't see each other regularly socially. That would have been more likely to be encountering him some common thing I don't know about him. He'd been the same way I wasn't a great one for going to social functions","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=478.0,528.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: in 1961 after Stewart was appointed Secretary of Interior, Moe was elected in a special election to replace his brother in Congress. Do you recall when you first met Mo Udall,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=529.0,540.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I'm afraid I really don't Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=541.0,544.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: You and Moe were involved in a couple of issues at the same time, but the extent to which you were aware of this is unclear to me. For example, in civil rights in 1964 Moe was the floor whip on the civil rights legislation at the same time that you were arguing civil rights before the Supreme Court. Were you aware of his work at all during that time on civil rights?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=545.0,571.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I was certainly would have been casually aware of it. My role was chief on civil rights legislation was chiefly advisory, chiefly with respect to constitutional question. Issues or questions of draftsmanship, which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=572.0,604.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: really involved, which is the stronger of constitutional theories that would support the legislation. I did a little more. I did some little lobbying individual Congressman that I one way or another, knew, or that somebody thought, if I talked to them, it would be important, and it's entirely possible that I saw my woman in that connection. What I would say, as I got to know him, not intimately, but enough to have confidence in him, beyond just the confidence one has from following him in the newspaper. Yes, during those years, he was in Congress,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=605.0,658.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: in another area where your paths seem to have paralleled was the issue of campaign finance reform. When, when you when did you first become interested in campaign reform legislation? 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It was signed by President Nixon in 72 my","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=700.0,715.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: connection was with Ted Kennedy, with Ted Kennedy,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=716.0,730.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and some with Senator Scott of Pennsylvania, who I wouldn't have said that I had a broad connection with members of Congress on the subject at that time, and I was back Here, of course,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=731.0,758.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you were back teaching at Harvard, that Mo was a chief sponsor of the Federal Election Campaign Act of 1974 which was signed into law by President Ford, and after its passage, it very soon came under attack. And in 1975 as I understand it, you defended the act before the US Supreme Court in a case called Buckley v Valeo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=759.0,783.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I was one of those who defended it again. My role started out as quite peripheral, Senator Kennedy and Senator Scott bipartisan, asked me to file a Micah's brief on their behalf in the Supreme Court, and I was sufficiently interested to undertake the work and do it. Then the matter came down to oral argument. There were a tremendous number of issues. The court heard the arguments. 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I don't. Think there was any bill at the time I was listed General. Remember, I resigned at 65 okay, I was listed right now. I was explaining my role in the oral arguments in Buckley and Vallejo. There were, as I say, a whole series of major constitutional issues and an even longer series of minor questions. So the court heard her document, not for an hour aside, as was the custom in those days, but over two or three days and one question that was argued specifically was whether the restriction of freedom to spend and freedom to contribute without limit were constitutional. I was not connected with common cause at the time. I was aware of common cause, John Gardner had been very helpful when I was sweating it out the last week of my tenure as special prosecutor. So I wasn't a stranger to them, but Lord Cutler, who was their counsel rather question the constitutionality of those restrictions. Wasn't very keen on arguing that they were those provisions were constitutional. 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I think it was, No, I wasn't. That isn't with the impression. I've had to give it all. 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Oh, well, I did a fundraiser here in Boston. Oh yes, I remember it. I remember it very well. At Tip O'Neill, the speaker,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=1384.0,1420.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Speaker of the House,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=1421.0,1421.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yes, was master of ceremonies, and sort of warming the crowd up, I was standing back on the platform as one who was going to speak, along with Mo and two, three others, probably, maybe, maybe 810, others, I don't know, but part of his warming them up suddenly, Tip O'Neill turned around and pointed me, Archie, come up here. So we went up there, and he pointed out in the audience to a man come up here. Man was wearing a bow tie. I was wearing a forehead and with successive great yanks. He got our ties off, put them the other way around, delivered himself in words that brought house of laughter. Advice to me, didn't I know enough to wear my trademark? I. Hadn't been I was by no means wear a bow tie every day man, until partway through Watergate then became known by that from then on, at least I still don't wear one every day and never went on yesterday, but public appearances, I hope that went on. It's expected of you. It's expected of me. My wife sees to it that I do,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=1422.0,1533.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that you do. What's expected?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=1534.0,1536.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, what","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=1537.0,1538.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I have to ask you, you were traditionally independent in political matters. What drew you a Harvard educated New Englander with forebears who signed the Declaration of Independence and Constitution to a one eyed basketball player from St John's, Arizona. Now he did arrive in Washington with a bow tie and a crew cut, but,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=1539.0,1565.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: oh, but One has to use","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=1566.0,1576.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: big abstract words that knows ideal. 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I don't really mean just father and mother, but grandparents, family around and then the family traditions, certainly with me, they weighed very, very strongly, and I don't think we ever talked about it, but I feel sure they did with me. They","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=1695.0,1735.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: did with Mo as well. Getting back to the 76 campaign, at some point, a full page ad appeared in The New York Times, featuring you and stating quote, If we act now, a man of uncommon moral strength can become our president. 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I specifically remember either way, I'm sorry. I would suspect we talked about some issues. 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Okay, you worked on John F Kennedy's campaign, as you mentioned, as you were, sort of the core person of his brain trust, from from that perspective, if you're comfortable doing so, how would you compare or contrast the two men, the men and their campaigns.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=1858.0,1884.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, the difference that would come to mind immediately was that Kennedy, by way, went, I'm thinking election rather than nomination. 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How did that come about? Did Moe ask you to Yes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=2035.0,2049.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, oh, yes. 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Did you author the speech? Did you write that? Or did one of one of Moe's staff people write it? Do you recall it all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=2068.0,2081.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, I would, I think, I think it would have been left to me. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=2082.0,2095.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: he, I. Perhaps one or two others might have read it made editorial suggestions, but I don't, I don't think it would have been something that was given me to deliver","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=2096.0,2116.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: when it became apparent that Jimmy Carter was going to get the nomination. All the other Democratic candidates dropped out. Moe decided, however, to go ahead and go to the convention and have his name placed in nomination. 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What kind of a president do you think mo would have made?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=2140.0,2147.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=2148.0,2153.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well, one's tempted to say first jam site better president than Jimmy Carter, no, I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=2154.0,2174.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: mo would have been a first rate president, depending on events, perhaps a great president.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=2175.0,2186.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: In 1979 you were recommended by both a panel appointed by President Carter and by Senator Ted Kennedy to fill a vacancy at the First Circuit Court of Appeals. 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One, I was totally sure I wouldn't get it, which, of course, affects your attitude.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=2276.0,2296.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And two, life had taken turns. I was heavily engaged in common cause, I guess I'd just become chair to was back having a certain influence on state events here, so that I never fully committed myself that I would take it if I was offered a 5000 card. I don't say I would. Now, in retrospect, I don't say I wouldn't, because I was perfectly sure that everything else it does toss off the other answers without worrying about them. It interests. It interests. 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It is interesting that that neither you nor Moe got quite to the pinnacle of what the rest of us would have liked to have seen you as, in your case, as Supreme Court Justice, and in most case, President.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=2359.0,2374.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, sure would have liked seeing President.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282#t=2375.0,2379.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270282/transcript/78598/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: He in 1979 Moe was officially diagnosed with Parkinson's disease. 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If you've been interviewing a number of people,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283#t=1.0,9.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283/transcript/78599/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I do think there were a number of people very, very much influenced by him, including me, including my sister dari ferdon, who you know. I think there's just a number of people who are very well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283#t=10.0,22.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283/transcript/78599/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I feel sure there would be, but I'm not able to just our circles overlapped for a short time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283#t=23.0,33.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283/transcript/78599/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: exactly. Well, I don't have any more questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283#t=34.0,37.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283/transcript/78599/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I wish I could tell you more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283#t=38.0,43.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283/transcript/78599/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I thank you very much for taking your time to and agreeing to this interview.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283#t=44.0,49.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283/transcript/78599/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, well, I'm certainly glad to contribute. Thank you very much. Okay, you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283#t=50.0,52.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283/transcript/78599","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146498/file/270283/transcript/78599/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/078/599/original/azu_ms396-010_side2_a.vtt?1744913377","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/078/599/original/azu_ms396-010_side2_a.vtt?1744913377"}]}]}]}