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I'm Kent Rollins, director of the Alumni Association at the University of Arizona. And I'll be your host today. You know, when you talk about point shaving or gambling or illegal payments, drug testing, slush funds, even the death penalty, you know, immediately it comes to mind prisons and high priced lawyers in courtrooms. Not us. We're going to talk about big time college athletics, and what all of these things are doing to affect the image negatively for not only athletics, but higher education in general. We have a number of experts with us today who are going to share their views and opinions. And I'm sure none of them are at a loss for words after our opening dialogue. And I'd like to introduce them to you. One is Dr. Cedric Dempsey, who is the athletic director at the University of Arizona, Dr. Charles Harris, who is the new athletic director at Arizona State University, Representative john cramco, from Tucson, and state representative jack Jewett, also from Tucson. So gentlemen, it's nice to have you with us today. And I hope we can have a an informative program and obviously, a feisty program from some of your earlier comments. So I'd like to jump right in today and do a couple of things. One, I think we ought to maybe identify some of the issues and problems that are happening in big time college athletics, division one athletics. And two, I'd like to maybe get your reactions to some of the various solutions that have been proposed to these problems. Cedric, since I've known you the longest, maybe we'll put you on the spot first. What do you see as the issues or problems facing college athletics today?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=93.0,191.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: arts, Charles and I talked about opportunities, I think it might be better, I'm not sure that the problems that we are seeing are very visible today are any different than they've been in the last decade, I think what is happening is that they're surfacing more, I think that the NCAA through their much stronger enforcement program are beginning to uncover issues or problems that have existed for some time. And those as we look at many of the problems that have come up in the last couple of months, they're they're usually problems that have occurred in institutions for at least a decade, we can trace many of the kinds of things as it relates to gambling issues, shaving appoints you talk about you can go all the way back in the 50s and 40s, and find the similar kinds of problems that existed then. So I can't I don't see that we're facing any new kind of problems. But I think maybe what we are, we are handling a little different, and we're concerned about them. And I think that the visibility, the amount of media coverage, and and general attention that it's receiving is a healthy direction for intercollegiate athletics, I really believe that we're in a position now to begin taking some steps to hopefully add some integrity back into to the intercollegiate athletics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=192.0,263.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Charles, do you agree with that? Do you have some specific problems that you're going to have to deal with that as you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=264.0,270.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: all can? I think the nature of what happens in athletics is very much as Cedric has described. It's cyclical in nature, the nature of competition, and what happens tends to be repetitive the trend 1520 years cycle. And again, I think the focus of exposure nationally, and the kind of money that's involved, is made many of these things come to the fore of late and I think it's been compounded a little bit by the fact that I think there's sort of a real surge of integrity in athletics right now. Be it academics, be it really Two things that have gone on in programs involving booster groups. And all of those things in my mind, even though it's it looks pretty dark right now, I think. I do believe that the light at the end of the tunnel is not another train, things are literally going to get better very soon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=271.0,313.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: jack is one of our lawmakers in the state. Do you care what happens in higher education and college athletics?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=314.0,322.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well can't yes, I do care what happens in higher education. And as a graduate of the University of Arizona, I care about the U of A beating ASU. So we care. We care here at Arizona, we care as legislators, I believe that the legislature tends to respond to problems wherever they may occur, and becomes very interested in a particular issue when it becomes a problem. In talking to said earlier in preparation for this for this session, I am I am convinced that here at the University of Arizona, we are doing things properly, we are paying attention to the balance between academics and athletics. And that is a very delicate balance. My research has convinced me that that is very critical that it be addressed that it be handled, and that students that come to our Arizona University's ASU in a you you have a receive an education and also compete effectively in athletics. And I think we're on the right track in Arizona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=323.0,406.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, john, you have the advantage of hearing all the answers. First,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=407.0,410.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I didn't think much of the answers, I think that the problems are much more basic than what these people are talking about. And then it just gets right down to what, what these players are. And I think we've maintained and for some reason, people want us to maintain some kind of fiction see that, that these people are amateurs, the football players are amateurs, that they're not professionals, that they're students. And I don't see why we have to maintain that. You know, you can, you can pay the kid that brings out the bandages, that kid that brings out the water bottle, he can be paid, the coaches can all be paid in the staff and paid, but the student can't be the player can't be paid. And I don't see why we have to maintain that you use. It's something like politics, you set up a whole set of artificial rules that are just waiting to be broken because it can't be enforced. And then when somebody breaks it, then everybody gets all fired up. And I think that's what the fundamental thing is, and I think we have to come to grips with that. See in politics, if somebody comes in and lays money on the table and says, john, we want you to vote for our bill. Now that's a crime. But if he comes in and lays it down, says, john, here's the money, we'd like you to be receptive to our ideas. That's a campaign contribution, say, and that's the sort of thing that you're getting at here. Why does the student who puts in all these hours have to maintain grades? I couldn't maintain grades like that if I had to be gone all weekend, and put all that practice in Why do we force that? Why do we say they can't be paid? So you have little booster funds, giving him money and stuff? Why don't you just come out and give the guy some money, you could give money if he was mopping the floor. I think we need a little more honesty on the public's part and on the media as part. Because I know a lot of media people would be appalled with hearing this sort of thing. But it's I think you just have to be honest about it, and everything else will fall into place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=411.0,526.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay. As you can see, we're not short on opinions today, and we're going to take a break and we'll be right back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=527.0,532.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Break. I just go.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=533.0,551.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome back to Arizona alumni. Welcome back to Arizona alumni forum. We're talking about big time college athletics. And we have a number of guests with us today. But let's let's talk to our two state athletic directors right now. And let's talk a little bit about one of the problems that has been identified in the past and that is the admission of athletes to any institution, not just Arizona State or the University of Arizona. Charles, how do you feel about having admissions, maybe special admissions for athletes? Well, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=552.0,584.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: think you have to recognize why why people come to college and they get admitted for all different kinds of reasons. I have never supported the idea of simply admitting athletes for for the sake of admitting athletes. I think you make judgments to admit boosters you make judgments to admit, the sons and daughters of alarms. And there are other reasons why people are admitted that can be deemed for the institutional good. And I think, again, the important issue, there is perspective. In any system, there going to be some people who can perform and some people who can't, regardless of their academic standards, at the time, they're admitted. And I think as long as those people are admitted, and then the institution has to make a real commitment to make sure they get a good quality education for the time they were there. So in fundamental terms, I'm not opposed to it. But I think like everything, the perspective and what you do, and really what you're trying to get accomplished is what's important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=585.0,637.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Cedric, do we, at the University of Arizona, do we make special admissions for football players or basketball players?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=638.0,645.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: special missions as you would relate to normal students that mission","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=646.0,649.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: are the are the admissions requirements and same for every student, including athletes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=650.0,654.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: While there is as Charles just mentioned, opportunities for students in general that did not meet normal admission requirements to be admitted to University of Arizona. So we would probably have some student athletes that fall into that category as you would have musicians or, or other people who might be admitted for various reasons. I think Charles alluded to some of those. And, again, it really gets back to what you see is the purpose of the university. And if you really see that part of the purpose is as a cultural experience, as an example, and that you want to offer opportunities for for individuals to pursue excellence in a broad range of fields. there there's a place for for special admits, I think the one misconception people have sometimes is that special admit mean someone who doesn't belong at a university. And that's not true. There have been maybe a lot of reasons why someone is admitted on a special basis. And so I think we should not cast a stone on on the fact that we may admit people who don't meet normal requirements, because we have seen those people Excel and do very well in a college educational program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=655.0,728.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What happens now I understand the NCAA has proposed some new freshmen academic eligibility, they have to do certain things to come in. Can you explain that to us briefly?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=729.0,739.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I'll make an effort in doing this in 20 words, or less, which I can tell you, I'm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=740.0,742.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: glad you're giving him the heart.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=743.0,746.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: piece of legislation that was introduced a couple of years ago is called proposition 48. Basically, it has two components. It has a minimum sh T, or AC t score requirement. 15 sh, AC T and 700. sh T, coupled with that a student athlete in order to compete as a freshman must have past 12 courses, 12 hours worth of English SAT math, science, and literature over the course of their high school career, and achieved a 2.0 or better, those standards are very different than anything that's ever existed. But I think there's an important delineation here. There's nothing that stops you from being admitted. There's nothing that stops you from receiving financial aid. It simply states that in your freshman year, you may not participate. What that will do, I think, for every institution in the country, is force us to look for different kinds of folks to recruit. And I think it forces a little bit more legitimacy into the academic credentials that people can bring.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=747.0,808.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Cedric, there's a proposal not to allow freshmen athletes to compete at all. Do you agree with that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=809.0,815.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, I don't count. I really believe there. I've seen no really studies or statistics to support that particular premise that that an incoming freshman is not capable handling both academics and athletics in freshman year. I do think that the proposals that Charles alluded to are healthy, I think there may be cases of a special net worth of student athletes may come in with some academic deficiencies, and they should spend time first on on improving those deficiencies. But to across the board say that no freshmen is capable of handling participation in athletics as well as academics. I think that is is not a fair observation of what is being conducted today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=816.0,867.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Gentlemen, as, as lawmakers in this state, you know, there was a proposal or a statement by one athletic related person, not from Arizona, but they said an institution owes something to an unsuccessful athlete that they don't owe to an unsuccessful student. After all, the athlete has brought fame and fortune to the institution helped to bring in millions of dollars. Therefore, we have a different obligation to those people. Now, as the guardians maybe of the three state institutions, do you agree with that? Do we owe something special to that? fleet who's performed and, and brought dollars into the coffers? Well, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=868.0,902.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: think what we owe to an athlete is the student athlete is the same thing that an institution, educational institution owes to any other student or any other gifted student and whatever the endeavor may be. I think that it begins, though, at the recruitment level, and the admissions policy should be and the recruiting policy should be that we are bringing to the institution, students who happen to be good athletes. And I think, again, it gets back to the balance, and it begins at recruitment. And that goes right through the program. And when you have coaches and a policy in the athletic department, and in the institution, that there will be an education, and there will be an effort to be competitive. That is the proper public policy. And that should be the policy at our institutions in the state. I see that happening now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=903.0,962.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: JOHN, you mentioned as we started, that they're professionals, so why don't we treat them as professionals does this go along,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=963.0,970.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: goes along with my thinking, these people, as far as I can see, are as close to slaves as you could come without being one. I mean, they're brought there, they, they risked their body, their lives, you know, a lot of them really get injured. For nothing, some very slim hope that they might make it into the pros, I mean, it is slim, you'd be better off buying a lottery ticket and sending them home. So a slim chance. And here and we have very high paid athletic directors, and coaches making a lot of money and with their on their on the backs of these football players who aren't getting a nickel, and ones that do make it to the pros, the state and the taxpayers don't get anything back from the pro teams that we've trained this guy for them, and we get nothing. I think that if you just looked at it as a job that this guy was doing to earn money, while he saved for future education, or while he was in school, you'd see all these problems you're talking about Don't let freshmen play, meet certain standards. All of these arise from not recognizing that you've hired this guy to play football. And that would settle it See, if he worked at the Student Union cafeteria. You pay him here he comes out and risks his body and his future. He deserves a lot a lot of money.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=971.0,1049.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Cedric, do we have an obligation to the athlete who's performed something beyond the regular student? if let's say he doesn't graduate? Should we somehow help improve that graduation rate do something to help him specifically?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1050.0,1063.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's a difficult question. I think the answer can I think there that the student athlete is and does have some special and unique situations and college educational program, obviously, the time involved with the student athlete is, is quite extensive, and they do not have opportunities that other students have and to work. I would agree with the statement that we need to provide probably more financial aid for the student athletes, we have as a result of many of the abuses that you alluded to earlier, we began to discriminate against a student athlete, and they at this point in time, they cannot work during the year, whereas a regular student can work they cannot receive as much financial aid as a regular student can receive who has as full need. So we have because of abuses, then began to discriminate against student athletes. So I do think that we have some responsibility to assist them in certainly pursuing our education because I think it's what we have set up is a framework that's unrealistic today, and that is to expect a student athlete or any student who is that goes to graduate in a four year time period. We don't see that happening anymore. At least four and a half years, I think is the normal period and was student athlete five years would not be an abnormal period for an undergraduate educational program. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1064.0,1145.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: we're talking about big time sports, and we'll be back after this message. Welcome","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1146.0,1196.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome back to Arizona alumni and boys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1197.0,1200.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome back to Arizona alumni forum, we're talking about big time college athletics and some of the problems that are causing negative image for athletics. We've heard from a number of experts. And Charles, I'd like to get a comment from you. Some of the proposals to change intercollegiate athletics can possibly affect minority students the most, it may close them out from admission, it may, it may do a number of things to cause them not to graduate. How do you feel about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1201.0,1232.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think anytime you have legislation that restrictive, somebody is going to be disenfranchised. I don't think that's necessarily a justification to say it shouldn't be done. In the case of where college athletics is, now, we have a well documented and I might say pretty bad history of abuses that have taken place in the system. Anything therefore, that we can do to improve that necessarily needs to be done. And as I said, it goes to me back to the cyclical nature of what's happened. at a time, the whole premise of athletics was that it was a recreational activity, it was a very pristine activity, then people started buying tickets. And then it started to become a very informal activity and its administration. And now we're going back in a different direction. It's unfortunate. But I think ultimately, what will happen in the grade schools and the junior high schools and high schools, is people will recognize that the whole business of athletics, and in this case, the business of athletics, is a two way responsibility. We have the responsibility to administer and run good programs on behalf of our institutions. The young men and women who come into those programs as an athlete, or as a student athlete, have a responsibility to, to pursue their academic pursuits, and to compete as student athletes. You know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1233.0,1308.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: there's there's a proposal that I really like, and I don't know how the rest of you feel. But as lawmakers, let me pass this one by, we guarantee to a student athlete that they're going to graduate now, maybe not in four years, or maybe not in five years. But what we're going to say is if you were on scholarship, and you didn't graduate, you can come back tuition free until you do graduate, would you buy that? Would you accept that idea? Jay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1309.0,1333.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I don't know that I would. I believe that what we are interested in now, and as the athletic directors have have addressed here tonight, and I happen to agree with the the track that we're on, and that is that the selection process is really critical. And that we need to select student athletes that do have an opportunity in the aptitude to be successful. I think that is absolutely critical. Coach, Lou dolphin made the statement in a recent speech, that that happens to be what he's doing. And apparently he has been doing very successfully. He is building a program based on the recruitment of individuals that he feels will be able to perform academically. And then he teaches them the skills to be competitive and productive and successful. Now, to me, that's the kind of balanced program that we're interested in, to the extent that you can build that kind of program here in Arizona may preclude the issue that you raised.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1334.0,1407.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But john, one thing I he he talks about the student who is capable and doesn't, what happens to the student that doesn't do it and for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1408.0,1415.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: free talks, a student is capable of doing it, but he wants to be ASU to say, and I think if it came down to it might hear a different story. In all honesty, that's that's the I would support your idea of making sure the students graduate or as I said, where they should be paid very well. So they can don't have to graduate. I would support that. Okay. And what about the students doesn't make it again, I think that as I said earlier, these people are really service slaves. I think it's just terrible. What we're doing to them and this problem never gets addressed. Let me say something in case they don't get a chance to say it about these abuses. Everybody's talking about the abuses, you know, usually get put on probation, or we need to do is put the coaches on probation and the athletic director see that they can't work for two years. And boy, the whole thing and be cleaned up, I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1416.0,1471.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: heard the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1472.0,1473.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: representative. Let's take a break first.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1474.0,1479.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Up, don't lose it. Go for a commercial","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1480.0,1524.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome back to Arizona alumni forum, I had to cut off Dr. Cedric Dempsey in the middle of defending his job, so we're gonna get a chance to do that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1525.0,1532.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: right? Well, Charles, and I decide we're gonna split this up, I'm gonna quickly say something as it relates to slavery, because I really take exception to that, Congressman, I don't believe that participation in athletics is slavery. I, I think it is one of those opportunities for a student to pursue excellence. And I think it can be justified in educational process by by the opportunity to pursue excellence through physical activity. And as a former athlete, myself, I never felt like I was enslaved in a particular sport. I think it's a it's a great educational opportunity for young people. And that's the only way in my mind that we can justify having a higher education. If it can't be justified on educational basis, then why have college athletics? trouser,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1533.0,1573.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: give you might just add quickly to that. I grew up on a farm in rural Virginia and had it not been for athletics, I'd still be on that farm and a little Virginia. And for me for a number of other very personal reasons, I like to separate the concept of slavery. Let me go on to like the background. Just in your comment relative to penalties that follow coaches, the new legislation that's going into effect as of January, I'm sorry, September, one of 1985 is legislation that based on repeat, repeat offenses, the penalties can indeed follow coaches and or administrators.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1574.0,1615.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Is that what's known as the death penalty, we thought we opened the show with the death penalty, which is unusual for college sports.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1616.0,1622.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, that would be the individual death penalty, probably or the death penalty really relates to institutional obligation and intercollegiate athletics. And it really indicates that an institution that has been involved in a serious or major violation two times in a period of five years that the second time, whatever sport was being involved, that sport would very likely be put on a in into a death chamber for a two year period.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1623.0,1652.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You know, I'm certainly not out of questions, but we are out of time. And I want to thank all of you for being with us today. And thank you for tuning in to Arizona alumni forum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314#t=1653.0,1655.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73566/file/159314/transcript/37761/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/037/761/original/azu_ms646-004_a.vtt?1652819969","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/037/761/original/azu_ms646-004_a.vtt?1652819969"}]}]}]}