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So this is my veteran Interview Project. I'm Cadet Acosta. I have with me my professor, Professor segura. Professor Segura, could you please introduce yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2.0,13.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Absolutely Good afternoon. My name is Professor Xavier R segura. I'm an assistant professor of practice in the School of Government and Public Policy at the University of Arizona as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=14.0,30.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What kind of things do you teach at the university?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=31.0,33.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Okay, at the University of Arizona, I teach a wide variety of courses, from law to Criminal Justice, criminal justice legal ethics to even special topics in law and special populations. In addition to that as well, I also teach honors coursework and also engage a lot with our wa Frankie honors college students and serve as a thesis advisor and supervisor for many of these honor students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=34.0,68.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Thank you. Could you tell me what your job in the army was? What How long were you in the service for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=69.0,76.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, absolutely. So I was in the service for approximately four years active duty or no, well over four years active duty, and then also three years in the National Guard. So a total of seven years, close to eight years. What I did in the service, especially when I was active duty, was I served in 187 10th mountain, a very prominent unit that was very well known for the Black Hawk Down operation. I'm in Mogadishu, therefore, what my particular role was. I first started out as a basic line infantry man, where I pretty much gunned a 249 saw from there probably about approximately two months into Charlie Company, I ended up trying out for scouts. I had a couple of mentors, Sergeant Stroman and start Sergeant Wilson, who were both rangers and who also previously served in our 187 headquarters Scout section. They were absolutely phenomenal mentors who had motivated me to try out for scouts. And then, sure enough, Sergeant Wilson, who was from Phoenix, Arizona, we still stay connected till this day, he was actually my sponsor for when we tried out in scouts, and then from there, sure enough, got assigned to sniper section up in headquarters for 187 where we served under the command of the Lieutenant Colonel as well as the Command Sergeant Major of 187 during That time, from 2012 all the way to 2017 2018","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=77.0,185.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and then will you transition to the National Guard? What was your role there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=186.0,189.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Absolutely so when I transitioned to the National Guard, it was a very, quite interesting transition. I was actually in 11 Bravo four, which was my MOS as a sniper infantry man assigned to a military police unit. So here in Tucson, with that particular military police unit, I never gone to the MOS school, but essentially, I had a lot of relatives who were in the transportation unit right next to the MPs and also in the MP so I don't know, it just felt like at home. I guess there was a different environment for me completely, 180 from active duty and just from there. I mean, I just served as a basic sniper, oh, and then also, to include with that, I also served on the honor guard as well for the state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=190.0,244.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Very cool. Very cool. What led you to join the army?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=245.0,250.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So what led me to join the army was after 911 actually, I had just found this out today was the reason why my father had joined the military shortly after 911 was because of 911 within two months or a month, he had reenlisted for the service, and then my dad had has done over 20 some years in the Army and National Guard as well, served on multiple deployments. So pretty much growing up and having him, you know, be my mentor, be my guide, essentially, and seeing his experiences and living them firsthand, and, you know, being the man of the house when he's gone on deployments. You know, it, it shaped me into who I. Am and motivated me, you know, following his footsteps. But also to mention that my sister, who's also was in the army as well, and the National Guard, she served and deployed alongside with my dad, and also seeing her and growing up with her very closely, like they both were my mentors and my guides, and motivated me to join the service as well. So, yeah, that's kind of what, you know, what happened? Oh, and then, you know, just to kind of throw into that, too, I came from a very rough neighborhood and rough side of town, especially in Tucson, you know, there was a lot of poverty, a lot of lower socio economical class, type of living. My family worked blue collar. So, you know, there was very limited opportunities, essentially. So I felt also joining the service would provide me with the sense of direction, a sense of purpose in who I am. And to pretty much, you know, serve as a stepping stone, not only just with discipline and the values that they instill in you and the experiences, but you get to find out who you really are, essentially as a leader and as a person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=251.0,377.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Um, was your sister older than you when you just were looking up to her and your father? Mm, hmm, yeah. So you're just, you're following in their footsteps and trying to find direction with, like, the whole leadership aspect of the army.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=378.0,392.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, absolutely. And then you also have to take into consideration too, like, where I grew up, the high school that I went to, like a lot of the kids, a lot of kids were going to college, but you know, the question they didn't really think about was, how was I going to afford college? Or how am I going to do this? Or some students are just living in the moment. Oh, like, I'll think about that tomorrow, you know. And so, like, not me. Like I wanted. Literally, I left right after graduation, and so I felt like joining the service, essentially, I mean, I wanted to have that plan and what I was and what I was going to do. I just didn't want to sit around back here like everyone else back home, not knowing what you know I was going to do. I wanted to. I was ambitious, and I took initiative because I wanted to do something or do this, essentially,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=393.0,447.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: was becoming an infantryman. Your first choice,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=448.0,451.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: to be completely honest with you, know how it all kind of played out, like at maps, was my first choice. Was I kind of, I'll be completely honest with you, I'll be the first one to tell you I blew off the ASVAB. I really didn't care, because I was like, Oh, I just want to be an infantry man, whatever I get, whatever I get. But in all honesty, I tried, and I scored really low because I didn't even study. If I could go back, I probably would have studied a lot harder and took it a lot more serious. So therefore, even though I scored a decent score, it was about, I think it was like a 8485 at the time. All right, that's decent. It's not that good. My opportunities were limited, but I also wanted to get out of Tucson as fast as possible. And so, like, I, I'll be the first one to tell you that I rushed the process in, like, recruiting, like I wanted to get out of here. So the first job that I chose was being a tanker and, like, doing tanks and stuff. And then I was like, no, no, no. And then my recruiter at the time was like, infantry man, sounds pretty cool. And he I was like, what's that? And he's like, you just kicked down doors. And I was like, All right, whatever. So like, you know, to me, I was just like, whatever it's leaving within coming days. So who cares? Leaving within two days? I don't care.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=452.0,536.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So another aspect was just trying to get out of Tucson and maybe explore, like the United States and the world a bit","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=537.0,543.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Absolutely. And, you know, at the time, you know, I, this is where I, you know, talk about honesty and transparency. And, you know, at the time, the recruiters, you know, they were painting this picture of, like, going to Italy, or going to like Japan or Korea, and to like, they would make it seem like it's a vacation, but, you know, kind of looking back, like I it made me want to go to those places. Like, yeah, infantry, like, you could go to Italy and stuff, but I didn't really understand, like, you had to go to airborne and get assigned to an airborne unit, and then, you know, go through the process essentially, you know, for I forgot et, not ETs and but pcsn.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=544.0,589.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So your knowledge prior to joining the army was just, you just knew about it from, like, your father and your sister, but you didn't really know about, like, the ins and. Out, so like, Airborne School, Air Assault,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=590.0,602.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, absolutely I didn't know about anything, because at the time, like my family was active guard, so they weren't, they were active duty, but active National Guard, and they didn't really have that active duty Army experience, so I was just kind of going off of what they were saying on what they've heard of, what it's like, and then also what the recruiters were saying too. You know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=603.0,626.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I see. So what was your experience once you did join the army and you got through basic training? How was it going to your first station?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=627.0,638.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Absolutely. So I could tell you that first, when we went to my first station in Fort Drum, I was like, Where the hell is Fort Drum? When I got those papers, and there was only like five of us, everyone else either got to Fort Hood, Fort Bliss, Fort Carson, all these cool places in Korea, except five of us, we got Fort Drum. And I remember the drill the drill sergeant going, saying, Damn, y'all are going to freeze your asses off in Fort Drum. It's cold, but he said, You know what? Y'all are always deploying. That's a good thing. So then, sure enough, I remember I came directly home for leave at the time we had the Christmas block leave, so as soon as I got to my duty station, everybody was still on leave, so I sat around essentially in a barracks room until I got assigned everything. When i i could tell you the very first Monday that when I got to my unit in formation, I got smoked by specialist Santiago. I could tell you to this day who it was and why I got smoked. He got pissed because he was a deployed specialist who was promotable. And at the time, I was part of what they call the old army, so, like, they could hazy, do all that stuff, right? So sure enough, specialist Santiago, he got pissed because I wasn't standing at parade rest for him. And like, sure enough, I gave him attitude, like, you know, I'm not going to take from you. So essentially, I was like, Yeah, whatever the hell are you. And then he got in my face. So then sure enough, I had to start doing push ups. And that was it. That was, you know, what happened? I got up, and then that was kind of a welcome to Charlie Company, 187 10th mountain, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=639.0,764.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And then, how was it adjusting to that? Charlie Company just getting into the motions of day to day Garrison life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=765.0,774.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I'll be completely honest with you at the time they were getting ready for a deployment. So Charlie Company was kind of the people who were going to stay back in rear D, essentially. So you had kind of a bunch of the turd bags in there, but you also had mix it was you is weird because you had turd bags who were getting out or getting chaptered. But also you had also, like, Good leaders who were deployed and like, I don't know, they just weren't selected to go on this deployment. So I had specialist Canfield at the time. Little short Irish remind me of a little leprechaun. We used to call him a little leprechaun tatted up. He had tats all the way up, and I remember he the reason why he was in the service was because I forgot what he did. He committed a crime, and they told him, either join the service or you go to prison or something. And he ended up joining the service, and he got deployed twice, but he was actually there also in Restrepo when that happened. It's a long story short. Specialist Canfield kind of a showing me the ropes, and like helping me, because he was my acting squad leader at the time. So just kind of getting used to it being fresh out of basic like, being fresh out of basic training, especially going through 254, if you've been through 254 you know what I'm talking about, the drill sergeant Benavides. That dude was legit crazy. I'm not even joking. He was crazy. Um, so going through that basic training like and adapting to 187, life, essentially, was fairly easy just because of that discipline. You know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=775.0,890.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah, and then, um, how long were you because I know you were deployed, how long was that period of you just adjust? Adjusting to just the unit the army before like you actually had to go and do overseas things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=891.0,909.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So can you rephrase that? Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=910.0,912.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so, how, how? How long were you at that unit before you deployed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=913.0,919.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So, fortunately, I was one of the very few ones who, oh, so how so let me rewind. So on that first deployment, since I had just got to the unit, I didn't get to go. So essentially, what was coming up is we were actually going to be green lighted. So that deployment that they went on, that first time when I got there, was only nine months, so they went and came back. So once we had this reset, essentially, this is when, essentially, I had tryouts for sniper section, right? So when we had this reset, we were actually, so I went to the tryouts, made it onto sniper section, then went to sniper school for a couple of months. I think it was like four months at the time. They've shortened it now, as soon as I got back, I kid you not, Chris, we got green lighted for the Global Response Force for the GRF, and so, sure enough, at the time, what was going on, essentially, was the stuff in Syria, so with Al Assad and stuff, and when he started poisoning, like His own, His own, I kid you not. I could tell you from this day, it was in a December, I think it was like December 13 or December 14, when I was watching the news, and sure enough, it was me and Jacob Stover, one of the other snipers. We were sitting while the other infantry dudes were playing pool, and we're watching the news. Sure enough, what comes on is you see like the photos of Al Asad poisoning, like his own people, and the kids with the white phosphorus and, like, to this day, I could tell you, like, I remember a lot of the kids that were on those tables like it was a steel table, like the ones you see, and, like the hospitals, like, for like, surgery and stuff, and they were just laying on there, and they just look like fishes out of water, essentially. And I remember telling Stover, I said, Man, this is going to kick off a war or something. Man, just because of all these war crimes that were going on and stuff, you know. So, yeah, that's, that's what was going on. And so then, sure enough, from there we had, I had the, some of my notes pulled up we had over there Operation Freedom Sentinel, that which was coming up at the time. So, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=920.0,1069.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: going back, because you did mention sniper school, I wanted to just ask, how was that for you as an experience?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1070.0,1076.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, absolutely. So going to sniper school is actually one of the best, most humbling experiences that I've ever had. I remember that back in this day, the sniper school was a gentleman's course. So what we meant by that is that it was very laid back. You know, you would go in at nine, classroom net, nine, PowerPoint, stuff like that. And we would have a lot of shooting, but also a lot of spotting as well. So like also doing a lot of estimating the ranges. So they would, we would put up a target. So I'll talk about that right now. But going through that experience, I mean, you learned a lot, not just about yourself, but you learn a lot about humans and what they could do, essentially, and what I mean by that, like we even had specific courses that we had to take during sniper School, where we have to learn about situational awareness, but also observational awareness and learning how to observe very thoroughly, right? How to know if a targets carrying a firearm under their let's say gown, or, let's say under their arm or under their shirt. Okay, so like going through that, you learn a lot about yourself, and you learn a lot about these life skills that I like to call them, that will help you be a better a better professional and better person and a better leader. Going through that absolutely great. I could tell you want me to go on and talk about it. Yes, yes, yes. Okay, so going through like sniper school, I could tell you that right off the bat, some of the sharpest dudes that I ever met were the 82nd airborne dudes. The reason why is because with the 82nd as I talked to some of them really sharp, they actually have. Go through a tryout, not just in their unit, like in their actual line unit, but also in their brigade to even make it to sniper school. So they have to go through double tryouts just to make it to the sniper School, which is wild, alright? So they compete with one another. So that just tells you how serious they take their craft, essentially, as snipers. It was very interesting because in our class, we had a lot of the Rangers as well, tamborees, no special forces. We actually had one Air Force gentleman who was SF, social security forces with them. And then we had one National Guard person, which was interesting because he was actually the school's NCO, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1077.0,1252.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: my Colonel's gonna like that 82nd airborne shout out,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1253.0,1255.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, they the sharpest, sharpest snipers that I've ever met going through sniper school. You know, you had Chow, you work out nobody's in it. They treat you like adults. So they're not going to tell you when to show you. Don't show up. That's on you. You fail. You fail. Alright? So it's a privilege to go to these schools, and it's an honor, and it's the highest honor to go to these and so that's why we take these very serious, especially our craft of snipers. And so not just having, like, the PowerPoints and stuff, there's some stuff that, like, I can't tell you, because that's why, you know, we require that clearance, but I could just tell you, we do a lot of shooting, a lot of mover shooting as well, a lot of range estimating. So it's hard, especially if you've been the summer or even, you know, in the heat of Georgia, you have a lot of that mirage. So trying to range a target based on that you have a lot of stalking, so trying to stock up on a target, right? What I also learned is that a lot of, especially me, having a lot of experience as a hunter on my downtime, a lot of those who had hunting experience, it was very, very kind of easy going for them, you know, because of the stocking sneaking up on, you know, deer or elk or whatever during the hunting season, just going through that, you know, it was absolute incredible experience. And you know, just one of those once in a lifetime things that you'll never forget about. You know, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1256.0,1356.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: didn't know that's I thought sniper school was going to be kind of more like the other schools of just all always on it. I didn't know it was more of a gentleman's course. So that's interesting,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1357.0,1366.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah. So what's very interesting with that was my class was the very last class to have that. So then right after the after the next class, after mine, that's when, like, everything started to change. And like now, you had to get like, you had to do a PT test, and you had to get above 90 in every section. Then you had it. Now you have to do like, a shooting so, like before, you didn't have to do that one thing too. In sniper school, you got to do the Ghillie wash. I'll be the first one to tell you with my Gilly, I messed up because I didn't sew mine right. So on my knees, I started to have bags of water. So every time I was crawling, I was sweating. I had my asthma going. I'm going through the gilded wash, hopping over. I have these bags of water weighing me down, essentially, you know. So that was another fun thing, you know that that really tests your physical endurance, your mental strength, right? For those of you that don't like water, I mean, you're having water coming at you, all right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1367.0,1431.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay, so that's really cool. Um, so after sniper school, you just went back to your unit, um, could you tell me about, like, how was it integrating? Because I know that you had to start talking to, like you said, the brigade commander and the Command Sergeant Major. How was it transitioning to that different kind of leadership, rather than being at, like, a squad level?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1432.0,1454.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Absolutely So during my time, as soon as we went back to our unit. My Scout squad leader was staff sergeant Bowden at the time. And so what I mean when I say that Scout Snipers and recon were were under the lieutenant colonel and battalion command sergeant major. What I mean by that is that we operate under their commands, so they would consider us the sergeant major's babies, essentially, right? Cuz whatever mission, we were top tier, right? Top schools. We were usually those who had the top schools, who were in the top shape, right? There was a reason why we were working for headquarters. Yes, essentially, so kind of going back to that lifestyle. It was an easy transition, because we already knew what had to get done. I'll be completely honest with you, our team leader and our squad leader in sniper section, right? They treated us like adults, all right, because me and Stover, we were always together, right? We eat together, work out together, go shopping to get everything together, because at the end of the day, I needed to know what Stover was going to do if it came down to that decision, vice versa. Okay? And so just going with that. I mean, they treated us like adults, like we would have formation, early formation, right? Therefore, PT, it was on your own. We didn't have to do PT together, but we would go to the gym and do our own workout, essentially. Then we go to chow. From there, we go to back to the cough. What needs to get done? Okay, we did this. Boom, go to lunch. We check in with our team leader. Hey, is there anything else you need us to do? Do we need to go back to the cough? Hey, go sign this. Boom, boom, boom. Therefore we would be off around two or three. Go work out again. 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I'd rather be like, learning something and stuff, you know, just, I think me transitioning and trying out for scouts and being a sniper was probably one of the best, you know, experiences that I had, I'll give I'll be the first one to tell you, too, that during my time, like as soon as I got back from school, I did have a slight injury as well. So having that injury, I had to recover very quickly just to get back to my duty, you know, because I didn't want to let my team down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1584.0,1645.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So you talked about the the lead up to you getting deployed, just how, how long was it since? Because you knew that, you know, the conflict that you went to. Now, how long was it since that happened to we're getting deployed now. Say that again. So you you know that because you told me about watching the TV, you knew that's that's what caused you to get deployed, right? How long was it from that time that you saw that to we're getting deployed? What was the build up towards that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1646.0,1680.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So after what we saw in the news and stuff, I want to say it was probably approximately like seven months or so until we had, pretty much were getting ready to and we got the official word to go. You know what? I know, I know Stover had said that just because you know, just what was happening. He said there was a chance that we could, you know, it wasn't the cause, but it was more of like, man, like, you know, this shit is happening, like, there's no doubt that where they're going to send us over there, like, to go intervene, you know, because that's normally what the United States would do. And so with that. You know, from there, it was seven months until we had that operation Centennial coming up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1681.0,1727.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And I'm, I'm familiar with, like, the whole process of how someone get Yes, ready for deployment. Could you explain that to me?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1728.0,1737.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Absolutely. So first, what was very interesting about our particular incident or not, our incident with our particular command, with that for your process, are you more familiar with Army or guard? Or can you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1738.0,1756.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: probably more familiar with Army? Okay, just active. Probably","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1757.0,1764.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Okay. So let me see, I'm trying to remember,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1765.0,1773.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: because, like, I know I hear like, oh, it's like, all of a sudden, we just got orders to go, like, meet at this place with all our stuff, and then we were on a plane. So, like, what, what was kind of, how did you get to where you were deployed? Where were you deployed? Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1774.0,1787.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so here I was deployed to fob Fenty and J band, you know where FOB Fenty is, no no in J. Bad, you know where jalala","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1788.0,1800.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: bedded? Yes, there you go. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1801.0,1803.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so Jay, bad? Mm, hmm, I'm trying to remember, because I actually I had to go on leave, because during that time my grandmother had passed away. And so as soon as I got back, I can't remember if I had my stuff already ready at the cough or when I got to my barracks room, I had my stuff packed, and then that's when Stover had texted me about the deployment that was coming up. And then from there, that's when we were going to get our orders from s1","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1804.0,1841.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so okay, that's how that happened again, um, once you got to J bad, what was the whole process of getting settled and just figuring out deployment now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1842.0,1854.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Absolutely. Chris, were you prior service? No, for real,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1855.0,1858.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: what did you think I was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1859.0,1861.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, how did you know about the process of deployment? Um, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1862.0,1865.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: just, I just know that, like you, you get orders and then you just get a plane ticket. But a lot of the active guys in ROTC will or not, active prior service guys will just talk about it sometimes, and I hear bits and pieces. But just like not everything, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1866.0,1881.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: sometimes there's also, like a processing too. So I believe it was in September, because my grandmother had passed away in it was on September 6. As soon as I took leave for eight days, I remember getting back, and then from there, I believe Bowden had gave us our orders, Stover texted me, hey, don't worry about your shit. I have it here at the cough. I'll get it. So he got my stuff. But then I remember we had to go through processing. But I can't remember what for. There was a processing, but I'm trying to remember what they were calling it. It was like the process. So you have to go through a processing, through s1 s6 through all of this. Okay, you gotta make sure your paperwork is done. S1 comes in. Do you have your ID updated. Did Are you well aware of all of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1882.0,1942.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: that? Yeah, yeah, the tax and dates. Yeah, tax","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1943.0,1945.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: dates. But also, I also had to get power of attorneys done for back home, yes. So that was another issue that I was having because I had some other personal stuff going on. So then that's what had happened. So when we got back, or when we got to J bet at the time, I'll be completely honest with you, I was nervous as hell because I didn't know what to expect. Alright, I didn't you hear all these stories, and I'll be completely honest with you, like specialist, last of it. He had, he had been on the previous deployment with 187, he would, he would be telling us all these stories about just what he did, essentially. So you hear all these horror stories. So me being young, I mean, I was only what barely turned 19 at the time what to expect. So me being young, we didn't know what to expect. So here, last of it is over here, telling us all these horror stories. So of course, it's going to make you nervous. That's a natural feeling, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=1946.0,2018.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And once, once you got there, and then you started, could you explain to me, just like, the whole process of when your unit got there, like, what, what do you what is it like being deployed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2019.0,2034.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: What it's like being deployed is a different type of mindset. And what we mean by that, essentially, is it's this is real life. So everything you do matters. Every attention to detail matters there. You know you have your gear. You know, you go to chow, you always have your weapon, you're always looking out for one another, essentially. And just being overseas and being over there, it's a different mindset. How can I say it? You I learned to be more religious when I was overseas and having a lot, a lot of more faith, that was just me. And I kind of, you know, just really found myself in faith, essentially,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2035.0,2096.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: what was some of your experiences with? While you were deployed,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2097.0,2102.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, so kind of operating over in Bagram as well. If you've been to Bagram, it's kind of like a Disneyland now. They have about everything there being over in J bed, one of the very vivid experiences that I have was, sure enough, taking indirect fire, essentially from we were ended up taking motors, and sure enough, you have the sirens going and stuff. And I think that very first experience of hearing the alarms ring off and everything, you never forget that, because that's your first experience overseas, and you don't know where, I mean, they tell you where the mortars are going to land. But that was something that I had never, you know, experienced before. So I'm only, I'm 19 overseas. I didn't know what to expect. And, you know, being the first thing that I hear sirens going off and hearing the microphone go off. You know, that's something that, what is one of my very first and vivid experiences that I'll never forget.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2103.0,2177.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did it take you a while to adjust to that. How long were you deployed over there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2178.0,2183.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: We were just there for nine months.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2184.0,2188.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And then, so you're talking about IDF. How often did IDF just go off while you were just trying to sleep, trying to do other things?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2189.0,2200.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I would say it was quite a handful of times, not really quite often, once or twice, maybe a month, if even that. What","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2201.0,2213.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: was your biggest challenge while you were deployed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2214.0,2217.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Absolutely, I think one of my biggest challenges, especially being deployed, was probably not knowing what the next day holds, essentially, although, like we all had our own duties on what to do and stuff, I mean, we were just really pulling guard. To be honest with you, there's really nothing to it. You know, we didn't know what to expect, essentially. And I think one of the biggest challenges happened to be that, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2218.0,2257.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: how did your deployment impact your perspective on your leadership, your views of the Army, just your teamwork within your position as a sniper,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2258.0,2268.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: absolutely like going through the deployment. Is it alright if I kind of incorporate about the post deployment, because it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2269.0,2276.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: learned a lot about that? Yes, yes, of course. Alright.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2277.0,2280.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So especially going through the deployment, you know, I'll be completely honest with you, morale is kind of low, especially for our unit, because a lot of the guys wanted, like, combat infantry badges, essentially, you know, and during that time, it was more of a stricter requirement to get the cibs. Now, I think it was like 25 feet, you had to be like in direct fire now, which is pretty close. They had changed it, so a lot of the guys were kind of bummed about that, because they thought maybe they could cut like a CIB and stuff, right? So going back to our unit in Fort Drum, you know, kind of readjusting back to family and everything. I'll be the first one to tell you that we had a lot of people that have committed suicide, especially in 10th mountain, you know. And kind of seeing how exceeding, witnessing and experiencing how leadership handled it. It changed my perspective a lot, and what I mean by that is being more as a human being, being more as a leader and understanding and treating people with the dignity respect and treating him as a human being. So when I had gone through sniper school, I actually lost one of my very close buddies, Sergeant Tyler zodi. He was also a sniper out of the 100 and first rocket science. He was actually killed in a Humvee rollover during a training incident. So I lost him. Been one of my closest friends. Played basketball with him nearly almost every day at sniper school. You know, I also lost my very close buddy, PV two. Dose of Haskins to suicide. How our unit handle it was very, very unsatisfactory. It was kind of like, well, this person, we're so sorry that he passed away. Sorry that happens. Let's continue. We got a mission to do. And that really impacted me as a person, because I felt like a lot of us were mourning, and we're, like, grieving in silent ways, and we're saying, like, wow, like, this is a crisis. This is happening. Our unit's living it like, What are y'all going to do? You know, people are, you know, committing suicide, and it's not just in our unit, but across the base and across the army nationwide. And so we just felt like, you know, it was never really addressed, and it was an issue that leadership, it was that unspoken issue that we don't really talk about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2281.0,2460.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And so you talk about kind of adjusting to life after deployment, how, how was it when you came back? I know that you mentioned that you had to deal with a bit of PTSD. How was it coming back to not civilian life, but coming back to just the regular army and transitioning like that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2461.0,2484.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: coming back to the regular army life was fairly, fairly easy for some reason, throughout not just my life, but also, like my military experience, like it was very easy for me to adapt, And I think it was just the discipline that was instilled in me. So adapting back to garrison was fairly, fairly easy. And I'll be completely honest with you, Chris, like, you know, being back as well, I was just so ready, just to kind of go back home, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2485.0,2518.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And after you came back from deployment, how how long? Because was that your only deployment? How long was it between that coming back and then you eventually transitioning to the National Guard?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2519.0,2533.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Absolutely So sure enough. From there, I want to say as soon as I got back. It was probably about a good 14 months until I was going to get out. I had the opportunity to PCs, if I did, what's the station in Seattle? Do you know Lewis? Fort Lewis? There you go. I was going to go to Fort Lewis, all right, sure enough. From there I wanted to, but then I was like, You know what, I'm just ready to get out of the service. So from there, I transition over to the National Guard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2534.0,2576.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Once you join the National Guard, I know you mentioned that you were with an MP unit. How was it going from the regular army to the National Guard? Like, I know that you're saying that you're pretty good at adapting, but like, I know that you have to find a job. What was that whole process in that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2577.0,2594.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: do you want me to lie to you, or do you want me to be honest about the guard?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2595.0,2600.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You can be honest,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2601.0,2602.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: transitioning from active duty to the guard was complete ass. So just because, like, I'll be the first one to tell you when I got to my National Guard unit, like, sure enough, they had sent me to honor guard school. I did that with one of my buddies that I knew from the transportation unit. Got back to my unit, and, like, the platoon I was in, they were wanting to do 4am PTA at Reed Park. And I'm like, looking at them like it was all because the PL wanted to do it. And I'm like, dude, like, this ain't active duty, like, you know. So, like, when I transition, I'm just, like, whatever, like, so, you know, going to that I, I just played the game essentially, you know, and what, what was kind of more, my focus was going to school, because I was going to school at the time, and, like, I was going to school at the U of A in Pima, and then I was in law school, and so, you know, I was just kind of doing the guard for whatever. But like with that, you know, I'll be honest with you, my main focus wasn't to find the job. My main focus was to be a lawyer, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2603.0,2689.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and then So balancing the school, and then also doing the National Guard. Because I know law school is difficult, you know that? And that's something that I'm looking at. But that wasn't, how was that as, like a balancing thing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2690.0,2707.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, so like balancing law school in the guard, like, I'll be completely honest with you, I really didn't care about the guard, because at the time, I also had my VA disability going, so with that, I mean, once my claims were going through and I was going to continue to get a higher percentage on my disability, I knew that I was going to get out of the guard. So just kind of focusing on school, essentially, and law school. I mean, that was my main focus. So I was using the GI Bill from active duty as well. But I also had scholarships, right? I received a $20,000 scholarship from the university.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2708.0,2755.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay, so you were just more focused on being the lawyer. How did your military experience shape you as a person? How did you feel that just the skills that you learned from the military they transitioned well to because you mentioned discipline, and I know that's one thing for school that is important. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2756.0,2778.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: absolutely, I think a lot of the skills and stuff that I learned in the service transition very well and helped me be an amazing person, not just in who I am, but who I strive to be in helping everybody in everyday life. What I mean by that is like you learn not just discipline, but you learn about respect, and not just on a personal level, but you learn to respect other people's views. You learn to respect that you know, we're not always going to see eye to eye. We're not always going to have, you know, the same agreement, the same argument, the same perspective, and you just learn, like, how to respect people for who they are. One thing that I learned, that I that I've taken to heart with everything that I do, is that in the service, no matter what background you came from, we've always had each other's back, and we always, like, protected one another. That's why, in my office, like at the university, you'll see a lot of pictures of dudes that I was in the service with, that we took, and that's because, like, that was a meaningful commodity and community and brotherhood that no matter, blue, red, purple, whatever color you were, essentially, we always had each other's back. And so going to this day and taking that into everything that I do respect is a big thing, discipline, also speaking up and doing the right thing when nobody's looking integrity. All of those are something that you know, military life transitions to your personal life very, very easily. And you get to do this every day. It becomes natural. And I'll just give you an example, like going through the military like and going to my day to day job, and what I do, the bosses don't have to tell me what to do, because they know that I do it and I'm very good at what I do. I'm the best at what I do. So they don't have to tell me, because they know that I just do it. I'm the best at it. So that's what you learn to do, and you learn to set that standard every every like each and every day. And so with that, one another key skill that I take to heart is that whoever's around me, I always push them to be their very, very best no matter what. So yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2779.0,2935.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you mentioned friends that you made while you were in the service, are there any friendships or moments that stick out to you that you carry with you to this day?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=2936.0,2946.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, absolutely. My very, very closest friend, Sean Fallon, out of Texas. We spend a lot of time in the service together. We hung out a lot. We worked out a lot each and every day. We knew each other. That dude is my brother, essentially, and we still hold that friendship till today, I'll be completely honest with you, I had just logged on to Facebook this morning and saw that there was another soldier from our 187 unit that I served with who committed suicide. So there's another soldier that we lost today from 187 unfortunately. But you know, I still keep in contact on Facebook with a lot of my friends from the military, especially in 187 we have our own group still that we stay up to. 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Like I have a lot of the I'll be completely honest with you, I probably talk to a lot of those military heads more than I talk to a lot of my friends here in 2025 and I think it's just from, like, our experiences in the service and sharing, like a lot of the shitty moments together in Fort Drum, you know, is what made us, you know, brothers,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3008.0,3036.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I know you talked about, um, just some of your leadership, maybe not being the best, and like some aspects that you didn't really like about just the army. What lessons do you take from that, that you apply today? I know you did already talk about that, but like leadership lessons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3037.0,3058.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So some leadership lessons that I take from that is that I remember Staff Sergeant Bowden when I first got into sniper section, his leadership style because he was also he had been a ranger instructor at Ranger School. His leadership style was very, very chill. He treated us like grown men and like we already knew what to what was expected and so and he always held us to the highest standard. And he also knew that we made mistakes. We were human being, we effed up sometimes, and he respected us for that. He would back us up and say, You know what? I understand that they messed up. It was just a mistake. It won't happen again. Boom. And he would just talk to us on how to prevent it, you know? And one of the key things that I respect and admire about Bowdoin is that he wouldn't yell at you, he wouldn't get in your face, except he would pull you aside and talk to you one on one like a human being, and he wouldn't embarrass you or belittle you or degrade you. And that's a highly respectable leadership style, because not only does it show that that leader respects you as a person, but it shows that they're not going to embarrass you, they're going to help build you as a person and as a character.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3059.0,3159.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: You did mention this earlier, uh, when you were talking about the ASVAB, but what if you could go back and give advice to your younger self when you first enlisted? 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It would be to not rush the process, essentially.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3177.0,3188.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And if you were to tell someone that was interested in maybe enlisting today, what would you tell them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3189.0,3198.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I would tell them to do your research, be patient and be sure that you are doing it for the right reasons. And what I mean by that is that I remember when I was going to ETS out of the service and transition to the guard, we started to get a lot of new privates from basic training that had just joined the service, because that was their last option. They didn't want to go to college. They just wanted to do that. And there was that stigma about the Camaro or the charger, right? So, you know, with that, essentially, I just ask that you do your research, be sure that this is something that you want to do, and that you're doing it for the right reasons. And like I just told somebody this this morning, is that one of my favorite quotes, one of my favorite quotes from JFK, is ask what you could do for your country, not what your country could do for you, and when, what I mean by that is make sure you're doing it for the right reasons and not doing it to collect the check. Because if that's the case, we need, you know, people that are driven, that are passionate about what they do in our service. 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Mm, hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3291.0,3302.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Can you give me an example so I could better develop a response?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3303.0,3307.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So a lot of people like you said, just come into the military thinking that maybe it's going to be a paycheck, it's going to be like a nine to five. Um, what do you think it's important for people to understand about the job, about, because it's kind of not just a nine to five, is it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3308.0,3326.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: One of the things that I would tell people about coming into this particular profession is that it's a 24/7 lifestyle, essentially, right? You eat, breed, sleep and live military. That's what it's about. You're always on guard. You're always on situational awareness. You don't know what's going to happen. You have PT, formation, discipline, right? You have a set schedule agenda. You have to pull 24 hour duty. And so what I tell people about doing this is that be ready, essentially, to change as a person and adapt into a bigger and better person that's bigger than yourself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3327.0,3371.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: How would you define success in military service?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3372.0,3381.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I think, you know, when we talk about success in military service, some may say it's about the medals the schools and the awards and the PT scores and all of that. When I talk about success in the service, I think it's about what is the most positive impact you did as a person in the service and to help those around you? Essentially, that's what would define success.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3382.0,3417.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay, so did you have anything else that you wanted to add to this interview that we mean, I didn't ask for that. We didn't cover. Um,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3418.0,3430.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I think that it's important to understand that for those who are leaders and our future leaders in the service, it's important to lead by heart, lead by example, but also lead by dignity. And what I mean by that is, remember that for those of you that are going to be officers and be top leaders, make sure to take care of your people. Okay, because sometimes we get too mixed up in the leadership role and in our mission that we often forget about our people and those who are boots on the ground that are doing the work. And when it comes to losses, understand that your soldiers are just as human as you, they grieve just as you, they mourn just as you. And I would also like to highlight that, you know when we talk, I remember in my unit when you go to behavioral health, there was always a stigma about mental health. I ask that leaders take that into consideration that mental health is a big priority, especially when it comes to the morale of your troops. Okay, I've always heard too, and I experienced that some of the best officers were those who were enlisted because they knew what it was like to be enlisted, and then they became an officer, so they respected the enlisted. So always, you know, keep that in mind. You know, you're the people that do the work for you, especially if you're in command, they're just as human as you, so treat them as human beings, essentially,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3431.0,3538.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay, thank you for the interview. Is there any just last closing remarks for I just stopped the recording? Or,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3539.0,3547.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: oh no, that should do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3548.0,3549.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay? Thank you a lot. Professor Segura, I can't wait to see you tomorrow in class. Alright, but thank you again for doing this for me. I really appreciate it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751#t=3550.0,3560.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153081/file/281751/transcript/81692/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: sounds good, Chris, I'm a little bit tired, so that was good. 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