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My name is Lisa gavioli, and I am in the company of Chuck raitzman For the purposes of collecting his memories about the campus at the University of Arizona. We are on campus now at the Ramada between the Douglas building and Centennial Hall. Today's date is September 23 2003 Mr ratesman, am I correct that it is your intention to give this tape and any typed transcript resulting from its interview to the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences and to the Arizona Historical Society or to the University of Arizona archives? Yes, that's correct. Okay, great. Well, we'll get started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=6.0,48.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So I guess our first question is, what brought you to Tucson, and what brought you to the University of Arizona? When did you arrive? And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=49.0,56.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: why? How did that come about? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=57.0,58.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: originally I was from the Midwest, and actually I came out on a football scholarship, and I had never been out west. I traveled throughout the Midwest, so the head coach at that time came back. He was recruiting, and so I said, Well, why not? And so in 1955 in the fall of 1955 which was the start of the conditioning for football for the season, I came out on a scholarship, and I was always interested in plants. But I had never been around palm trees or citrus trees or I had never been west so and cactus, you know, I just wasn't exposed to it. So really, when I got here, you know, I was really impressed with the different types of trees and shrubs that they had that were entirely different from the Midwest. So I and I wanted to get into their school of agriculture, and so I did, and I wanted to major in horticulture, which I did. And so thanks to the football scholarship, I graduated in 1960 with a degree in horticulture. And at that time they had a minor degree in landscape design. And so I had enough credits for that to qualify for that. And so I never left Tucson. You know, since 55 I go back to the Midwest to visit and then we have some properties in northern Wisconsin. Since 1900 My grandfather was a railroad engineer for the logging companies, and he acquired some properties in and we still have it in the family. In fact, now I go back twice a year because we have a tree farm with 10,000 trees that were growing for lumber. And my brother and I meet my brother there, and my son occasionally helps me too, and so that keeps me busy now, since I'm retired, so I guess that's pretty much what got me here was really a chance To get, and I want to say a free education, because I think you earn it, because you spend a lot of time when you're not studying like you're supposed to be doing of, you know, preparing for the season, or watching films, or it's just it takes a lot of time, but that's all right, because, Right, it takes a lot of time, and I'm sure it still does, because there's a lot of meetings or practices or, you know, playbooks, and you travel and, you know, and it's so I think that, I think the university got their money's worth, let me put it that way. But I was always into sports anyhow, and so I was, I have no regrets on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=59.0,265.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So when did you start working for the university, and what was your job?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=266.0,268.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, actually, after I graduated, there was a large landscape firm in town and nursery called harlows nursery. It's probably, probably the oldest now in Tucson, and John Harlow, senior, who is now deceased, he offered me a job after I got graduated, and I spent about eight years. At the in the landscaping end and the irrigation end. And he kind of mentored me over years, and the experience I got from him, I he was a person way ahead of his time, particularly in the landscaping of the desert and the appreciation of desert plants and things like that so and also the tree trimming and just a lot of things that the knowledge he had, I mean, it was just, you can't get it out of books Harlow, right? And his two sons, now, Bill and John, run it, and so they're still there, and they're out on Pima, Pima Street, and then in 1968 at that time, there was a vice president named Richard Houston who reported directly to President Harville. And I was really happy with my job. I really wasn't looking for a job, and they were very good to me at harlows. And he called me one night and said he'd like to talk to me. And I said, Well, you know, sure, I'll be glad to talk to you. And so we had a nice, long talk, and it was basically, he wanted to the appearance of the university grounds was really deteriorating, and they needed someone to provide some type of technical expertise along with leadership. And I, I kind of hesitated, because, like I say, I wasn't looking for a job. Was very happy where I was. They treated me very well. And I think the only time I at that time, my son was about three or four years old, and I had to really look at the health benefits, and they were good at the university and and also, after talking to Vice President Houston, it was a challenge. I hadn't been down in the university much in those eight years, I had been back for, like, Homecoming, to go to the football games, alumni stuff, but I really hadn't walked the campus. I just didn't, and so I took a little time to do that, and I could see that. I mean, they had some hard working people, but I think they needed direction, but they needed some type of a short term plan with gold and a long term and so I said, Well, I guess I could do this for maybe five years. It's going to take me five years. I could see to what I would call get it up to a standard, not just mediocre, but a higher standard. And of course, that five years turned into 32 years. But after the first five years, the challenges, I arrived here in the fall of 68 and there was a lot of construction just starting. So, I mean, I kind of hit the ground running, and, you know, got my feet wet pretty quick. And because they were just doing the two balls, the one from Old Main east to to Cherry, and then from Cherry all the way to Campbell, that was just starting, so I got involved with that. And that was a pretty massive project, because they were demolishing a lot of homes. Third Street used to go past cherry, and there were homes in there. I mean, it was all home, and the only buildings over there were the women gettings. And space science. And where flandar was used to is used to be the Newman Foundation. The Newman was right on the northeast corner. So other than that, McHale wasn't there. Optical science on the other side of the mall, construction hadn't started it, so it was basically dirt parking lots, is what it was, and houses and so, you know that that was going on. And there were the math building was being built. So there was just a lot of things going on when I arrived. So, I mean, there were some long days and long nights, there's no doubt about it, but I committed myself to do whatever it took, because there was just a lot of safety issues, a lot of trees that should have been removed, and dead branches hanging, and a lot of Lights on buildings you couldn't see because of the branches, and there were cracked sidewalk. I mean, it just went on and on and on. And so I told the only thing, I asked the Vice President was, you know, Is there money for this? He says, You don't worry about the money. He says, You give me a game plan and we'll take care of the funds. And so that was basically the start of it. And so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=269.0,609.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: it was your job to make decisions about, about the landscaping, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=610.0,613.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: absolutely, basically, yeah, and it just so I kind of, I kind of divided the campus into sections and started, you know, in one section and and just we started working in that section. There was no trimming crew at all, none. It was kind of haphazard. There was no weed spray. There was the mowing was very erratic, I mean, and just they had maybe one person assigned to maybe three or four buildings, and I changed that into a team effort, where teams would take, if we had seven areas, which I divided a campus in, then one team would be responsible for all the buildings in that area. I wanted a team concept because at that time, there was a turf, like a turf light, you know, where don't cross into my section. This is my front yard, you know. Well, you know, that was working, but there were just a lot of things. There was a lot of plants that needed to be replaced. There was just things that needed to be planted that weren't on campus. And one of the things I really looked at were, and this was a long term, if we were going to plant something, particularly in the Greenbelt, the long park, or some open areas where things were going to be there for a while is there were too many short term trees, and like mulberries or privet trees or some other Palo Verde, and I call short term maybe 25 years. And there's exceptions, but not many, 30 years. You know, I wanted to plant trees that would be here for 100 150 years. So raising the standard, right, exactly, making things that are gonna, well, yeah, to last number one and number two, to remove some of these dead branches that were hanging. I mean, they could drop on students. The tall palm trees, they weren't trimmed. The tall ones, the small ones, like along the Mall, they really don't blow out a lot of fronds. They more or less slip down. It's these tall Mexican fan pumps that if you don't take off the dead fronds, they sail in the wind. And they can hit students, or they can hit faculty, or they can hit visitors, or they can hit whoever. And so, I mean, there was no trimming program. So we got the trimming going, we got the tree planting going, and invested money in things and trees that maybe should have been on campus that weren't. And then I'm just looking here, that tree on the north side of the ROTC building, that large pine tree, that tree, when we planted it was only that big. That's the first Italian stone pine on campus. But those Italian stone pines are going to be here for another 100 years at least. So I mean, that's as I look at that, you know, and I can look around and just see some of the things that we planted that weren't on campus, new new varieties were out there. They weren't being used. And the longevity of there was new shrubs that should have been used on campus. The Green Belt along Park was just, it was just a mess. I mean, there was just a mixer of a hodgepodge of plants that didn't even belong there, and half were half dead. I mean, it was just a nightmare. But, you know, you got to start somewhere, and we had the people to do it. They were hard working people, but someone had to give them the direction. And so we got started on that, and things began to shape up. And we got into our team area concepts, and the equipment was deplorable. We got new equipment that do the job. You can have all the people in the world, but if you don't have the equipment, you're not going to get the job done. And if people appreciate that, they have to have the tools to do the job. And so that came through. So, you know it. And then that period, there was a period from 68 so I would say 75 where the building was just going crazy. I mean, the construction, and no one really watched the contractor as far as the landscaping and irrigation. So we were they were getting good job. The contractor would just throw plants in the ground and they wouldn't grow. And so we got control of that, where we would see the plans from the design concept all the way up. Up to the finished product where we would accept it. And so that helped a lot. And that was one of the things that I said we I we really have to have control of and so we changed the specifications. Really tighten them up. We watched the contractor, and I don't know, I never really countered them, but I think I would have to say, I don't know, maybe 80 or 90 of the major buildings on this campus, I was involved, and I'm not bragging, but I was involved with making sure the landscape and irrigation was right and they conformed to the specs. And we never lost any trees. A lot of these trees are still growing well, that's because we monitored the work. We made sure it was done right. We never lost any the disease or anything after the job was turned over to us. So, I mean, that's an accomplishment, but we had the people that had the pride too. They started feeling the ownership of the campus. They got back into that. And yes, it was like their front yard or backyard at home, but it was as a team. They worked as a team. Just as a side note that the sanitation removal was terrible. I don't know how they got the trash out of the classroom. It was bad. We didn't have the proper equipment to take it to the dumps, you know. And so we changed that. We changed the way we picked up trash, just, you know, our the roofs of the buildings and that came underground too. A lot of them were leaking. So we got a roof program on, we got an inspection program on. And so these were the things that just weren't happening that we started to change around, and, you know, the money was there, and we had to have some startup money. I mean, we just, you know, if someone's going to come to school here and pay money, then you have to make sure that while they're here for four or five years, or however long, that they're getting their money's worth, and that shouldn't be in a leaking, you know, classroom, or, you know, with garbage overflowing, and I'm just, this is a sidelight to grounds, but it was part of grounds. Why? Why do you think things have deteriorated? Campuses grow too fast? Well, I don't I, I don't think they had the proper management, let me put it that way, and it was great to have a vice president as a director of the physical plan, but that can hurt you too, because he's tied up in other things, and so he's really doesn't have an eye out to what's going on and depends on other people. So I think the management was a little lax, although I met some supervisors that they really didn't have the technical knowledge, but, boy, they sure had common sense knowledge, and I learned a lot from those people and but they didn't have, I don't want to say, I guess I do want to say, a vision of what is this going to look like in 10 years, 15 years, 20 years, 30 years, 50 years, exactly. And so, and that was a challenge, but I figured, well, I could do that in five years. I can get it off the ground, you know, and then I'll go back where I was. Well, things didn't happen like that, and all of a sudden, you know, the building was still going on, and you could really see the changes that there were no benches on campus. And so we made, we made our own forums, and started making these benches in the early 70s, people couldn't sit down anywhere. I mean, you could go through you had a few wooden benches, but not many. And although the campus wasn't that big at that time. People still wanted to eat outside, enjoy the outdoor, and there were no, I mean, just a thing like that, someone should have picked up. There was no trash receptacles. You know, if you have no trash receptacles, where are people going to throw their garbage, their cans, and throw it on the ground? Then your people are going to have to come by and pick it up. So, I mean things like that, and that's just a lot of things, common sense wise, that probably should have been done. And again, this is an interview for me to brag, but I, you know, if you're asking me, you know, I need to tell you about some of the things we faced as a team. And we were a team, you know, and I don't want to say I all the time, it was a we thing. So who was working with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=614.0,1165.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you on making these decisions, and how were these decisions getting made into he,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=1166.0,1168.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: he Dickie Houston depended on me to make these decisions. If there was a very political decision, then certainly I wouldn't make that without conferring with him, because I didn't want to leave him out on a limb where they would be sawing it off and you know, so and what was his position? He was a vice president, but he was in charge of the fiscal plan, and so he reported directly to the president, where now the director doesn't and the director. He was the last vice president to report to the President. After that, they had a director of the physical plant, but he would report to an assistant vice president, and which I always thought that, you know, they should report directly to the president, but that didn't happen. It just you get involved with then a vice president who might have interest in the grounds, but some didn't over the years, so that could hurt you or help you. And so it's the same with you could get a director of the Physical Plant who wasn't really interested in grounds either, and sure, they'd leave you alone. But there was times they had to be interested, and so you had to keep informed. You know, unfortunately, the higher level you get up to, the more bureaucracy, the more politics. One of my jobs over the years was to protect the people that I work with every day from that type of political system, so that they wouldn't be bothered they could do the job they were hired to do. And so, you know, again, I didn't mind that, but you know, the politics are there. There's no doubt about it. But anyhow, getting back so we started on our green belt, and we planted a lot of new things, a lot of new trees that they didn't have before. And some are, well, we we planted, and there's some trees on and Libby Davison's heritage tree list that we they were the first ones on campus, and we were involved in that. We planted different types of pine trees. Longevity was there. We planted some oak trees. There was only one oak tree on this campus, and it was planted like in 1940 something, and that was it. Well, you know, the southern Live Oak is a and that tree is going to last a long time. And so they've done very well. So how those trees have done well, despite the desert Absolutely,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=1169.0,1330.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and how has that come about? Well, trial and error. Did you know that they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=1331.0,1334.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: were going to no because when I was with harlows, we had used some of these things. And we did a lot of commercial jobs, and we did a lot of very upscale, expensive jobs. Tucson. What is it? The Tucson, the golf course, and there were a lot of upscale houses there, the first houses that skyline, the ones that are above the country club, there we landscape. I mean, there are a lot of And so John harlosini was very visionary. He would try different things. And to this day, if you knew, like, I know where some of our jobs were, I can go back to those jobs. And these plants are doing wonderful. And not only residential places, but a lot of commercial we did a lot of commercial jobs, and we traveled. We would go to Nogales, or we would go down to Sierra Vista, Fort Huachuca, and do jobs. And you know so his vision and his knowledge of trees and plants and what would work and what wouldn't work. And, you know, I figured, if the university, you know, they should be doing these things, they should be planning new things, rather than the old pyracantha, Oleander, privet trees, you know. I mean, the selection was there, but you see the same old things, you know. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=1335.0,1423.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you wanted to increase the variety","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=1424.0,1425.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Absolutely, I mean, and there were better trees, there were better shrubs, you know, rather than the old standards. So we started to get a net, and, you know, I can, it's one of the highs of the job, I think over the years, is I can walk back into certain areas, you know. And I remember trees that were or shrubs, but now I'm, you know, tells me how old you are, too. So it works another way, but, you know. And to this day, I enjoy that. I know, you know, just I could stand there in awe and say, you know, I, and I can't pinpoint maybe a certain year, I know pretty close of when I, not I, but when we planted it and and just to see how it's, it's it grew over the years. And you know that also takes the people, they have, to make it grow from year to year. You just don't put it in the ground and say, Okay, now it's going to grow, you know? And but we were firm believers in planning, right? And I know a lot of people to this day thought we were crazy, but this campus is on a bed of collegiate and collegiate is like concrete. You. It's just, it's here. It's, you can dig five holes, and maybe three of them, you can dig down six inches, and you'll hit this. You think you're hitting concrete, but it's, it's just collegiate, and maybe two holes you can get through for drainage. So we changed the specs, where our minimum hole size was was five by five by six feet deep, right? A tree we lost no trees at Texas rod or disease to this day that I know well, but my philosophy, and still is particularly in this area and in Tucson area you have kalichi, you better spend $75 on your hole, okay? And $7.50 on your tree, because you're going to get the growth and you're not going to be bothered with the diseases that are in the desert. And that's still my philosophy today. Put your money in the hole. Don't buy a $70 tree and put it in a $7 hole. Very simple. And that philosophy is paid off. So I think as I walk around a lot of these buildings and just see the growth on them in that, I mean, I just, you know, there's some philosophy today. Well, just dig a small hole you don't need or there's no organic material in Tucson soils very little. So you have to add amendments, you have to incorporate it, and you have to give it a good start. And once that tree starts getting down, it'll punch through that caliche. If you're not through it, we always got through it, and sometimes we'd have to even take a jackhammer put an extension on it to punch holes. Even though we're down six feet for drainage, you've got to have drainage. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=1426.0,1603.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: these are some of the challenges of planning a lush landscape. Sure,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=1604.0,1607.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: absolutely it is, because, you know some of these things, they'll say, well, they won't grow in Tucson. Yes, they will, but they just need a little tender love and care to begin with. They'll acclimate. They'll acclimate, and they'll they'll do very well. And so we introduced a lot of new cultivars over the year that today they're 3540 feet in the air, you know. And so I, there it is. I don't have to argue, you know. And we moved when you're demolishing houses, particularly for new buildings, one of our jobs was to go around these houses, and if there was anything worth saving, we would tag it and they would leave it, and then we would move it somewhere on campus, usually by the time we got the houses. And it's never changed to this day. A lot of stuff was just junk, you know, a lot of the houses were rental houses, or they just, it was stuff that the UN transplant. It was just junk. But every once in a while you would find something that it would be worth moving. And we've moved, you know, we moved big pine trees, 3545 feet, you know, and brought them on campus. And so they're around campus. And we moved some, you know, there were trees at McHale, right in the center where McHale is, that are now on the northeast side of McHale, there's a group of pine trees. There, big pine trees. Well, they were about where the center to McHale floor was, so he moved those over there for sitting area, for shape. Because one of the things that campus really didn't have, and today it's still, I think it's a problem, but not as big is there wasn't a lot of shape when you're here, you know, during the summer, or if you're here in the in the in, you know, April and May, and, you know, September, it's still hot. And I know a lot of people, you know, the students love to sit out on the malls, and that's great, and they use the malls, but you still have to have shade. You have to have shade over the walk. So we were some of the areas are really out nice now where we paid attention to that. But another thing along the way too is we, there were years, because of the legislature, you didn't have the money in your budget, so they reduced your budget, and they're still still doing it at to this day. I mean, so you would have layoffs, you would have budget cuts. Some would be for a year. Some would go into two years. So along the way, there were some years we couldn't do anything. We would just maintain what we had. And we wouldn't get money for the new buildings to operate, you know, operating budgets. We wouldn't get new people to take care of the new building that hurt. We still haven't caught up to this day. Just when you started to get ahead, there would become another budget crunch, and so you were not filling empty positions, or you were have to lay off with the last thing we wanted to do. We tried to avoid that as much as we could. That's a tough thing to do. With these people, and but we had to do it a few times, and because they all got, you know, families and little guys and, you know, it's just tough, but the legislature then would never come back and make up for it, so we kept losing ground. And you know, it hasn't changed in the last 10 years, they build new buildings, but you don't get increases in your budget to maintain them, not only for people, but your operating costs, your tools, your wheelbarrows, you know, your supplies, your fertilizer, your things like that. That's what's going to happen here after this two year deal with all these new buildings online. My understanding is there's no money to you do. What maintain with what you have is your their standard, you know? Answer, well, that's okay, but if you've been falling back and falling back and falling back, you know, these people do a heck of a job these grounds, the grounds people here were probably the hardest working group of people I was ever associated with. I mean, they take a lot of pride and what they do. And I think it's obvious the way the campus looks, but you run out of hours. There's only so many hours in a day, and you know, you have to slip certain things. You know, the normal person might not notice it much, but when I came here, we had, I think, three flower beds, three color beds on campus. That's it for the whole campus. Well, you know, when you're recruiting students, when you're recruiting faculty and staff, you know you have to have, and I looked at it this way, you have to have a green door mat, and that's right at the entrance to this campus. When you bring a potential person in here, whether they're going to go to school, where they're going to work here, or whatever their first impression of this campus is, the grounds. Do I want to spend four and five years on this campus? Are there places I can go and just sit and relax and enjoy and this and that, and I tried to drill that into their heads from day one, we're here for those people, whether they're faculty or staff or students, without them, there wouldn't be no jobs. And so it's a green welcome mat, is what it is. And so right now, I think there's 32 color beds on campus. Well, there should be, and there probably should be more, you know, and I'm sure there will be more as the expansion keeps going, you know, in newer buildings. But just the flower beds alone, I mean, people take pictures in front of them at graduation, or the tourists come in and take pictures of them. And so that's been, you know, really a tradition. You know where they plant flowers twice a year, from, you know, your summer flowers to your fall spring flowers. And hopefully that'll continue. But there's some years that you don't see as many planted, you'll plant your high visual beds front of the museum, flagpole, Old Main fountain, Student Union on the mall. But some of the other flower beds, they just don't get planted. Now maybe the average person won't notice that. Our people notice that they don't like it, but they understand. And so that's just something we have to, you know, like, talk like, I'm still working here, but that's some of the things we had to do to because we didn't have the money to operate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=1608.0,2032.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Can you think of any other projects like that that are really important in your mind, that you're really proud of, or were sort of crucial in transforming the landscape.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=2033.0,2044.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I, you know, I think the initial startup was, was just a tremendous job by the people. I mean, we really changed things around and, and just all the little things that they did and that we added. And I think when we form these teams, and one of the things they we that people overlook is, I think this is one of the cleanest campuses, and I've been through a lot of campuses, you know, in the United States, because the first thing the area teams do every morning when they're here is they do a safety litter check. They go through their entire area and they pick up the broken beer bottles or the broken glass, or they report vandalized trees, or they report broken windows or or they. Report signs that are pushed over. But they also pick up trash. And this, you know, their summer hours. We used to work from six to 230 I think they still are. And then winter would be from seven to 330 so we're basically here. We were here before the population surges. I used to call it, you know, it used to be 30,000 people on campus every day. Then it was 40,000 now there's 50,000 This is a small city every day, you know. And so safety number one, safety is drilled into their heads. If there's a broken branch, if there's anything regarding safety, it has to be a safe campus, but make it a clean campus. And I think when the majority of people get here, it's a pretty clean campus. They don't see all the broken glass or the graffiti or stuff that's all taken care of. It's gone. And I think that really plays an important part for again, recruiting. The parents come in here and they see this camp and say, you know, I really, I mean, they don't even get into the buildings yet, and they're walking around and they're looking and just, you don't see a lot of trash and stuff laying around. And, you know, the trash cans aren't overflowing. We got a system for that, we've changed. We got a really highly sophisticated we've changed three times on our sanitation removal. And so we have a state of the art now. And so just a progression that we've made, you know? And but safety still is number one, and then another responsibilities grounds is all the athletic fields and all the intramural fields. Well, you have to have safety there. You know, the contracts these guys are getting coming out of college for baseball and football or million dollar, 2 million, whether you can't have ruts and holes and sprinkler heads sticking up and so and you know, over the years, we've got a lot of awards for our baseball and softball fields and football fields. And so it paid up. And, you know, in the pride they take and taking care of these fields, and then, you know, if coaches aren't having a good year like this year, why, sometimes they'll blame the turf for, you know, and say it's too wet, it's too short, it's this or that. So, you know, and that goes along with the job. But, I mean, you can look at all the fields, and just year after year after year of what these people have done to maintain them, and that's just pride, but it's safety. They're all safe the intramural fields, the classes that are out on these fields, too. So that's where that safety check comes in, you know, every morning. And so that's I'm proud of that, you know, and that that's still ongoing, and I'm glad of that, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=2045.0,2269.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How do you think the campus landscape contributes to the UA community and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=2270.0,2274.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: perhaps the Tucson community as a whole? Oh, I think it's big. I really do. There's a lot of people that visit here on weekends and use the campus on weekends, whether you know one thing is about too. We never had a lot of bikes on campus when I first came here, but they started showing up more and more, and we started making our own bike blocks, where there might be a few still around. They were concrete with a hook where you could change, put your bike wheel in there. And but, but before that, there was nothing. And then, you know, as as it changed more bike riding, people got into riding bikes. Well, you can see, I mean, the bike racks everywhere, and you had to make bike parking. You had to make motorcycle parking. That all came under our area, not Parking and Transportation worries about it, but at that time, there was no parking and transportation, really. And so that evolved into that, but that was a big change and but it's heavily used by the community. Community comes down here at night for shows at Centennial, you know, or just to walk through campus, or just to go to the flandro You know, there's just so many things going on and and I the one thing I always told the people I work with, I says, You've got to remember every day that you're out on the ground, you are in a fishbowl. If we are planting flowers, people are going to go home that weekend. Now's the time to plant flowers. Plant flowers if we are trimming palm trees, whoa, now's the time to trim palm tree. So I said number one, do it right, so that they see how you're trimming, you know, and make sure that if they ask you some questions, you answer them properly. And so say that, in a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=2275.0,2382.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: way, the campus grounds sort of set the standard for the community. And, oh, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=2383.0,2386.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: absolutely. I mean, if we're spraying, you know, we we sprayed the olives so that they wouldn't drop olives on the sidewalk, so any branches over the sidewalks. We. Would spray every April, about the first, you know, month in April, you'd have to, or first weekend, you'd have to wash the trees. And as the blooms were starting to get fat as a time, well, then people had some olives, and we would get calls, how do you stop these olives and shedding all the time? Well, they would see what we're doing now, if we were drastically cutting back some hedges because they were getting old and they were getting Woody and they needed some rejuvenation. Well, someone at home had a heads like that. Now it's a time to do it. And they would watch and see how what we would do. They would ask our trimmers how to do they would go home and do it. So they had to understand that if we're going to be a leader in the community, don't do anything wrong, you know, and particularly, we had the extension service here. And I know they put out all these brochures and that, but a lot of people on that time to go out to the extension service. But when they saw our guy, when we would oversee our Ryan, some areas which we used to do, we used to do the malls and ride for the fall in the spring all the way to Campbell, but it got too expensive. And then the water thing came into play in the mid 80s, you know, cutting back on water. And even though we had our own wells, we weren't sending a good message. But everything we do on this campus, someone's watching. You think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=2387.0,2480.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: about the changes in the ideas about water use,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=2481.0,2484.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think that. I want to say we were ahead of our time. We didn't really get credit for it. But in 19 about 1984 the Department of Water Resources up in Phoenix, they started to get tough, and then the southern Arizona Department of Water Resources really got tough. And so that's where you started seeing, you know your drought tolerant plant lists, which was good, but a lot of those who were on a plant list came from here. We already had them on campus, and that was due to Warren Jones, a lot of that. And I don't know if he interviewed Warren, fine man, brilliant man. And to this day, I'm honored to say I'm a friend of his. And we worked probably 10 or 15 years real close. He would bring these plants in from all over the world, and he'd grow them out of the greenhouses, and then he'd bring them down on campus, and we'd find a place to put them and experiment with them. So a lot of these plants, and rare plants, one of a kind, are still on this campus, and that's Warren Jones, and our people babying him, and they nurtured him. And I think that's what makes this arboretum thing a very, very plus for this campus, is the things Warren Jones brought on campus, and our people maintained him afterwards. And he was certainly, you know, just a key to that. But getting back, and I'm losing track here the water, yes, because if you notice all these berms here, and we left them in and this is the historical district, the only way we could water all these lawns was flood irrigation. You'd flood to a certain point, and then you'd have a pipe. And this was out of our own wells. University had six wells at that time, and then it would go down to the next level. It was a waste of water, but that's the only way we could water. We had an estimate of about $160,000 to change all that, and we would slowly change it, but our budget wouldn't allow that it was just too costly. And so we finally got it down. One of the Presidents finally gave us because we had 40 acres of this flood irrigation, and we left it in the historical district. And you can walk and still see the pipe in the Bubbler boxes where it bubbled out, and kids used to run through it and swim in it and do all that, and it was a waste. It was a waste of water and but we had started in 1977 we started getting into drip systems. We started to take out small lawn areas and use granite and so, but we never got credit for that removal, because it really wasn't in force till 84 and then we had to remove 10% of we at that time, I think we had 60 or 70 acres of law. And so we had to remove about six acres. And you know, that's no small chore either. And we kind of had the money to do that, so we kept chipping away at that we had a couple years, and we did make our quota finally. But all the other areas we never we were ahead of our time, and so about removing those acres of lawn, well, what we did is, normally what we would do is we would see an area, see an area that was walked out or. Bike riders. It was, it was a high maintenance lawn area, small patch. We would either pave it, we would poison the lawn, and then we would just take sod cutters, cut it out, and then we would put an anti weed surfactant underneath. And then we would put down the granite, or we would put down brick pavers. Some of these areas, you'll see where are paved. Used to be lawn areas, and we would cap the sprinkler systems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=2485.0,2726.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And the theory behind removing some of the lawn, we reduced water. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860#t=2727.0,2730.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243860/transcript/68347/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: we wouldn't use as much water. And actually, we reduced our labor costs. We wouldn't be mowing and edging and fertilizing. And that was enforced by the city. It's enforced by the state. Yeah, and in this to this day, there's still, you know, we've more than met our quota, and if you look at a lot of new buildings, there's probably less than 10% of lawns around new buildings. I kind of go along with that, in a way, but I still think that you have to have some lawn around some of these newer buildings for students to they want to go out and sit on granite, and fences under granite are fine, but it's still nice to have some lawn. And it should be functional. You know, it just shouldn't be for show out in the front of a building. It should be maybe in an area where there are trees, where there are benches, but so students and faculty and whoever can use it, I think we're getting away from that a little i i don't like along Sixth Street. What's happening there, which used to be a nice green belt, and palm trees and, well, now you're looking at, yeah, there's trees, but it's all hardscaping. 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One of the Presidents finally funded it, and we did reduce down to zero acreage. He gave us the money. And so all this older section now is all automated. It's all on clocks, and it's all irrigated by sprinklers. So we got rid of, there is no more flood irrigation on campus. And so that was a big help, and it helped our water consumption go down. Because, I mean, that was it. That was the only way we could keep all this stuff alive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=4.0,35.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So in a way, the technology","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=36.0,38.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that says irrigation and technology available right at the beginning. It really, it was kind of crawling, but it wasn't walking yet, just like the drip irrigation around shrubs and trees that they have now. So that kind of evolved into that so, but we got into that in, oh, about the mid 70s. It really started picking up and coming on and and golf courses were using a lot of it, too, and that drove these companies to pursue it. And so we got in on that, and got rid of some of the old irrigation systems and the flood irrigation system, but we couldn't do all of it. We just, we had to do it piece by piece. Well, meanwhile, you know, we still had that 10 acres left, and you know, the Department of Water Resources, they had every right. They were on us constantly, but it was a matter of money. And so we finally got it done, and they left us alone. Far as I know, they haven't bothered us since, you know, and we get along with them fine, but they finally realized our predicament. You just could go out and pluck $150,000 down for, you know, water. But as it grew now, water, you know, people are very aware of the water situation, more aware than they were, say, 20 years ago. You know, people would be out running hoses in the street or washing their cars, and they're doing all this well, you know, it's fine, but then the water tables start going down, going down, going down, and so, you know, I think it's going back up now. And I think our water department and in Tucson is probably top of the line, because everything they're doing is right, you know. And the type of plants we have now are still, there's a there's such an abundance of new varieties, but yet they're drought towers, you know, and they don't take as much water. And so a lot of those you'll see around the new buildings, although some of the I the one thing when we used to look at plans for the buildings, particularly some of the newer buildings, is we really didn't include cactus, so to speak. If it was cactus, it was a very soft, spineless cactus. Number one. You know, there's some physically impaired people on this campus, whether they can't see very well, or they wheelchairs or whatever. And if you put that along walkway, someone tips over in a wheelchair, or someone stumbles and falls into this you know, they could get hurt pretty bad. I see some of this along Sixth Street. I don't agree with that. There's some pretty good spines on some.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=39.0,205.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You prefer them not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=206.0,206.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: to be along walkways, walkways Sunday, but we use them somewhere, if you're going to use them. I don't like it too, because when the wind blows, they pick up a lot of trash, and it's hard getting trashed out of prickly pear cactus. I mean, there's some around Old Main and that's fine. It's back out of the natural paths and stuff, but so I see some of that coming back in and right at high traffic areas.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=207.0,234.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What do you think those decisions have been made to move to more cactus? Is it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=235.0,238.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Do you think, well, esthetic thing, or is it a philosophy? I think it's probably, I don't think esthetically. I don't think there's too many other nice, drought tolerant plants they could be using. I just think it's maybe a change in philosophy, you know, where politically, people see cactus, oh, they're not using water, you know, that type of thing. And so, well, sure, there's so many other plants they could use that are available. And so why are we using some of these plants that have been here for a while, but they're pretty sharp points. I mean, you can they're little guys running around. You know, it's a safety thing. And, like I say, if they're back up against the building somewhere, out of traffic or out of a chance someone could fall into them, or, you know, maybe. But why use them if you don't have to?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=239.0,293.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What do you think of the cactus garden and the mall there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=294.0,297.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You mean the. Where the Bucha trees are. You know, I, when I went to school here, that that was there, and we maintain that for 30 years. I think this, it was blown way out of proportion. It could have been ended if the people that were doing it all started with the fundraising by the alumni. I think if they would have talked to the right people, they could have headed off all this controversy because, period, the bucham trees could have been moved. I don't care what these guys in Phoenix said, or whoever told them that they couldn't be moved. You couldn't guarantee moving them. They are so interlaced with other trees in that area that would never take the shot. And Bob Humphrey, who planted those trees, and I had the pleasure of knowing him, he passed away this last year. Thought he must have been in his late 80s, or maybe 90, and we had discussions about the Bougie 's over the years. And so I got to know him real well, and it just they should have just someone should have said, Stop, we are not moody. Moving to Bucha, incorporate your alumni Plaza in with this garden. And because the crutch garden is there too, and some of the aloes there are are from his house, which is still standing over on Mabel and camel on the northwest corner. And I got to know, know his wife, he was dead, and his wife, she just died a couple years ago. She was in her 90s. Very nice lady. And so we moved some aloes into the garden there too over the years, but so it was such a controversy, and people were involved that didn't know what they were saying. They should have been involved. And then the thing got out of, thank God. The public got involved. You know, when it said, Well, they're just going to just either take them out or rip them down, or they're going to try to transplant them and and so there was a public outcry of, save the budgets, leave them alone, but the politics were leaning very heavily toward doing away with it. I mean, that was the bottom line. They weren't. The alumni people that were pushing this plaza weren't interested in it. And I hate to say that, but that's the truth. You'll never see that in the paper, you know, and I'm going on record and saying, but I have to, I happen to know the background of that, and so that was just something a common sense should have prevailed. They should have talked to the right people, and they didn't, and they wouldn't listen when, even when they did. But finally, the students, the faculty and the staff, you know, when they were marching in front of the administration or going to the newspaper or on TV, and you know that that really saved them. So now they're being incorporated into the plant like they should have been in the first place, you know, and it's just common sense. And so that got blown out of proportion, and but the cactus garden that used to go from Old Main all the way to Cherry we moved a lot of the things around Old Main that were valuable, that were in good shape. I mean, if you really want to come down to it, that cactus garden was in horrible shape. There was a lot of dead cactus in there and not in good shape. And this stuff should have been removed anyhow, so, but the good stuff we did save and we salvaged. Some of we put in that little island at Cactus, you know, was small and we couldn't get much in there, but some of we put around Old Main and, but the rest of was junk. It was just junk and, but one thing we did is, when we were going all the way to Campbell, the same line of palms to tie in the older part of campus with new from Old Main to Cherry, there were palm tree trees on either side. We took every one other one out and took them across and put them on the Mall all the way to Campbell, so they all matched. And I don't think a lot of people probably know that, but we didn't. The contractor did it. And so now it's really to me, it's a unique part of this campus. When you tie in, you come in this gate, you can go all the way down to Campbell, and you still see the line of California fan pump. These California fan pumps are getting very hard to find. You'll find them around older houses in the area, and not many. So we try to you. If we tried to save as many as we could, we used to have a holding pit, which has now since gone away over the years, where we would, if we demolished a house and we didn't have a spot on campus, we'd put them in a holding pit. Because over the years, these California fan palms out in the open, like that, and these tall ones, do they get hit by lightning, but this way, we've got one in a holding pit that's probably exactly the same size, and we just moved it in, and you never know that that it was gone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=298.0,632.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: They're the short, fat trunks, yeah? These are the Mexican fan pumps, right? Uh huh. And over the years, a lot of a lot of palms","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=633.0,644.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that we took from demolished houses, we've moved on campus this ring around Old Main on the south side of all the California fan park. There was no we've tried to continue the ring around the South Side Old Main so would blend in with the South Side. And most of those came from demolished houses on, you know, on and around the university, or some of the older Barrios in town. That's about where you'll find them. Because, you know, a lot of these trees are, you know, 7080, years old. And so you just don't find them anymore. People not plant them anymore? Very you won't hardly find them in nurseries, because the thing is, they're too slow growing. They want. You know they want? Well, they plant the Mexican fan ponds, okay? Because they grow fast. So you can see them in your living room window for about five years, then all of a sudden you look out your living room window and you're looking at a trunk, you know? So we got out of the palm moving business, probably in the early 80s. We were just getting too many calls, because people, they outgrew their houses and so well, and we did a lot of that from 68 to maybe 19 oh, 7778 but we had enough palms in our holding pit, and we had enough houses that we knew we were going to get. So, you know, we just discontinued. The City used to do it too, but I think they were just they had too many requests so, but that's basically the reason that you couldn't find this. And there's other varieties of palms that are slower growing, but people wanted, you know, something to grow fast, like eucalyptus trees. So when were those? I wanted to say probably around they were about six feet high and 55 when I got here at the most. So I wanted to say probably about 60 years ago, somewhere around 1935 40, right in there somewhere flipping through Phyllis balls, yeah, and there might be something in there to that, yeah, it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=645.0,791.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: like there are a few around in the 1920s","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=792.0,796.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: yeah, I've Got a couple pictures that showed these palms here, and they were from the picture was 1917 and with these are these little fan Mexican fan palms here. These palms weren't in yet. The California fan palm there was like palo verdes and stuff lining. So I think I saw a picture, or I knew Phyllis ball, and God, was she a wealth of information. I really miss her, and talk to her, and we used to talk about how old you think this is, and she'd show me pictures out of the special collections. And so we could pretty much date stuff. So I got some pretty neat pictures of just seeing stuff and how small it was and what it is today, you know, and a lot of it's still here. How","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=797.0,856.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: did you like designing landscaping for this environment? Do you think you enjoyed the challenges of it more than perhaps another campus in a more","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=857.0,865.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: natural environment. Oh, I I mean, this was a challenge. All these plants were new to me. And I know, I think I always thought of this is, this is like an oasis in the middle of Tucson. I mean, there's so much neat stuff here, and, you know, and I think a lot of it has to do with the maintenance, the people that maintain it, but it's just neat stuff. I mean, citrus trees. I mean, we try to find citrus trees among some of these older houses. And. So that we could get them on campus, so that students could eat the fruit, you know. And I don't mean the sour oranges. I mean, God, there were so many sour oranges when I got here. They were everywhere and but I only know of that one walkway, yeah, a lot of them, a lot of them kind of went by the wayside, and because they were old at that time, and I don't really miss them, we still got a few by the library, and there's a few areas we're still around, but there are some areas on campus that the fruit is pretty good, and it's just a matter of students looking for it and knowing what it is, you know, and and I know, our old grounds yard used to be on Sixth Street, and we had a line of citrus trees along our front gate area. And we never got any fruit because of students, but that's what we planted them for. And they knew, you know, we had some Mexican limes, and they'd take home for drinks and whatever. Then we had tangelos and we had grapefruits, and they knew what time it was, you know, if they were here for four or five years, they'd combine, as long as they didn't break the branches, and they were good about that. So we'd find, once in a while, we'd find a citrus tree that we knew was a bearing tree, and put it on campus so they're there. I wish there was more of them, because I think that's neat. Well, I probably because they're not on the drought tolerant plant list. You got to be a little careful about that. And I just think that there's a place for them in the landscape, you know, but I think they've kind of been overlooked. I don't think, you know they're not that messy, because you're never they're going to fruits, not going to hit the ground, someone's going to eat them. So I think it's a thinking that kind of, it's in the back of people's mind. But, you know, some are designers and but they just haven't they're into a lot of these, you know, newer things, which is good too, because there's so many new varieties of plants and, and again, I think a lot of them came from this campus, and a lot of them came from Warren Jones. There's no doubt about it, and not really, no, it's just, well, yeah, and a five by five by five hole, they need good drainage, and every once in a while, they'll get frosted. You know, there are little certain types are tender, like your lemon and limes, but they do very well here. And we planted, I know, in our yard, when we used to have our yard where the dorms are going up, we planted, when we were doing a lot of transplanting of stuff from these demolished homes. We found some smaller citrus. Well, we put some in our yard. We had a long, long planter, and those trees produced fruit for 2530, years, and we'd always have fruit for our Christmas party. We'd bag up their fruit and give it to the employees. But we had five or six, eight different kind of trees, and every year. And all we did, we fertilized them twice a year, like there should be, and we had great citrus. And you know, the people enjoyed them, and so they do very well here. But you know, when you start thinking about this drought tower landscaping, so you think, damn bad a little Yeah, but I still think I'm always at the fact that if, if you're going to grow something and you're worried about water, and then grow something, that you can reap the rewards up. If you grow a fig tree, and you like figs, eat the figs, you know, if you grow a peach tree, you like peaches. Eat the peaches. That's your reward for the extra water that they take. But you're getting the reward from it. Pomegranates. I mean pomegranates anymore, I don't know, but people do pomegranates do greater. Are there any pomegranate trees on campus? There's some on the west side of Old Main I think they're still there, that have been there a long time, and they give pretty good fruit. But you know, as far as in a natural landscape, you don't see many pomegranate you probably go to nurseries, and you don't see many they don't sell. People aren't aware of, you know, they're selling their things that are in style. You know? I mean, that's you're gonna sell your oleanders and your pirate candidates and your eucalyptus you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=866.0,1190.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: know? What do you think about the changes in people's thinking of what, what plants are in style and what are? Well, you got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=1191.0,1198.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: to remember. A lot of people come out here from the east and Midwest, and they're used to different things. They're not used to things with a desert type look, or spines or claws or whatever you want to call them. And they're used to these big, huge elm trees, you know, big pine trees. And so I you know that half of I've never seen palm trees and in things and citrus trees and desert mesquites. They don't know what mesquites are. So I think they have to really get used to it. It's a, it's a, it's a shock, is what it is. And because I remember the kosher recruiter me said, you know, if you come to the university every day you go to school, you can just have your breakfast on the way. And I say, Well, how is that? He said, Oh, we got citrus trees all along, and you just pluck off a grapefruit and eat it on the way to class. I think, wow, that's something. I like grapefruit very well. Like oranges, you could pluck them right off the trees. Well, there weren't that many citrus on campus. There were some. But, you know, it wasn't that easy. But so it's an entirely different you don't see lilacs here. Lilacs don't do well in Tucson. There is one that's a hybrid that does all right. But, you know, Midwest, back east, you get lot huge lilacs. And, I mean, well, you don't see them here now, you know, down in sonoida, and I've got a little ranch down there, and I'm growing apple trees down there, because you can't grow apple trees here, so I'm growing apple trees down there, and, and I've got a lilac and I cut 60 blooms off at last year a lilac bush, because it's cooler and it's up at 5500 feet, you know. So it's, it's, it's a plant shock, and as they live here, they'll get used to it. You know, this table right here. You know, there's a lot of history to this table. There used to be three huge Theodore cedars here in a line, and that, that one there where that new one is, and we planted that that got hit by lightning in about 1990 and got it just poof blew to cop out. Then this trunk right here was the second tree to go these trees. If I think Phyllis Paul has a picture on the west side of Douglas, it'll show you the three little trees in 1904, when the building was dedicated. Actually there was four and one was a rotten diet, I guess. But anyhow, this one here was a second ago. We tried, I think it was old age, and I think they these ruts, got down into some pretty good caliche, I think is what happened. We could there's no diseases, nothing. But they were deteriorating. We kept cutting it back cutting it. We saved it until it looked ugly, and it still had about 20 feet, but it so. What we did is we saved the wood, and we had a guy in town. These planks are from the tree. All this wood is from the tree. These beams right here. And there's a story to those when we used to move big pine trees, and this is in the early 70s, we would go to the mountain lemon sawmill up on top of the mountain, and we'd have them cut us these eight by eight by 14 foot long beams. And when we'd move the trees, we'd put these underneath. We'd undercut the trees and put a cradle on them out of these beams. And when we set the tray in and just filled in the dirt around it, because we'd holes, it have to be like 1214, feet wide. And they work, we leave the beams in just a rot. So we still had these stored. And I always wanted, before I left here to have some kind of shelter, some where people could go out and eat outside, but in the older part of campus. So I got the approval of the planning committee, and so we just winged it. We designed it in house. We had these planks cut, these seats cut, and we designed it the beams. We already had the beams, and then we had a plaque, and I see it still there. Put a plaque there. Well, there was another one where that little Diodorus heater is now, and that started declining. And so they tried to do the same thing with this, but that one went pretty quick, and so we lost but you got to remember, those trees were 100 plus year old trees. They were from the Mediterranean. They do well in Tucson, but I mean 104 to five years in the desert, that's pretty good. They got tired. You. Know, and they got into the collegiate that's what I think,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=1199.0,1501.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: just to make sure that people listening to the archives the tapes can understand, we're on the west side of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=1502.0,1508.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Centennial, the whole part of the campus, city, West Douglas, east side of Centennial. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=1509.0,1513.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: there we go. I had it backwards. Thank you. And we're sitting in the Ramada at a table that has a truck for a base when they see their set.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=1514.0,1522.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And then our brick mason did all this work. Our masons, we found, we found the old that was buried that University of Arizona brick there was buried when we were digging out for the concrete walks in there. So we built the they did. I didn't put a little put it in there. So soon, I hope that these, they're fairly slow growing. They're not fast growing, but they've acclimated well, and so it's doing well, that one's doing well. And I think that's a key if you lose older trees that have been here a while, and, you know, 105 years in the deserts, pretty good for something that isn't supposed to grow here that. Well, if you see it starting to go you try to save it. But there's a point. Maybe you got to remove it. You need to maybe plan another one. And I early, I found that out. I i When we find a plant, for instance, a tree that wasn't on campus that we thought would grow, we go ahead and buy it, and then we'd put it in, and Murphy's Law, you'd put that tree in, and if it wasn't vandalized, if the wind didn't blow it over or whatever, it died, and not from the planting, but something, you know, and it's the only one you had. Well, maybe it was in the ground for, you know, a year or two, and it was doing beautiful. So I said to myself, you know, from now on, we're going to plant trees at least two to three of a new variety. So if one or two go down, we still got one left. And you know, that's paid off to this day where we did that. And every once a while you can't get two or three. You just got a lone tree, and hope it makes it. But because we had, and again, I every summer, I used to go up to Lake Tahoe for vacation right before school started. And so I used to bring things back from their little tree stuff, and I had a pinion pine. They're not supposed to grow here, but we put it down in the Greenbelt, and it was growing. It was beautiful. Well, one Christmas, someone cut, which they have done in the past. They'll, they'll cut out the center of a young pine tree and take it into their home or their dorm to use as a Christmas tree. Well, we only had one pinion, and they cut it. Well, actually, we had two. Another one was a different kind. It was a lot taller, and so they cut the center out of it. There's Murphy's Law. I should have probably bought two or three trees, you know. But so you learn from that and but I think you know that we don't get that much we didn't get that much vandalism, but you know, I would have never thought that someone would take us on, head out the center of a tree and take it home for a Christmas tree during Christmas. But we learned. So, you know, that was a learning process. So most of our things now, if it's a fairly rare tree, if we can get two or three, it's better. And then you put them, not right next to each other, but you kind of space them out so you still have a couple left. And that's paid off. That's paid off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=1523.0,1738.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Getting back to something you were saying earlier about you were saying that you approved of the Arboretum. Really, glad. It was a","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=1739.0,1746.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: great Oh, it was a great idea, yeah, sort","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=1747.0,1747.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: of wondering what you could elaborate on your thoughts on the Arboretum. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=1748.0,1752.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I, you know, I think it was a long time coming. And Libby Davison, I, I don't know how she does it, where she finds the time. I mean, she should get a Purple Heart for getting this thing across. But about 10 years before this started up again, one of the Presidents was interested in arboretum because Arizona State had one and we didn't have one here. Okay. Well, he had an ad hoc committee, and there was about six or eight of us on campus, and we'd meet regular we put a lot of time into it, and made out a report, and we had costs in there, and in this and that, and list the plan. I mean, it was a very good report, and people in the Aggie college were involved in it too. And, I mean, and so you. Everybody was pretty excited, because I always thought this should be with all the different varieties of trees on this campus, and what Warren Jones didn't, you know, and what we did over the years, I mean, it just it made sense, and it was sent up to this President, and he got off on another tangent, and it just gathered dust. So we did all that where it took about a year, a lot of extra time to put this package together, in meetings and reasons why, and we talked to other arboretums. And, I mean, we really had our ducks in a row, and it went nowhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=1753.0,1833.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: When was that? When was the first time you looked at","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=1834.0,1835.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that? Was about, let's see, when did Libby start her crusade? It was, what, three, four years ago. So that would right around 1990 I think somewhere in there, because it was about 10 years, I would say, and it really never went anywhere. Why do you think it never went anywhere? Well, I don't know. I guess I don't want to voice my opinion on I just think that maybe that President got too involved with other things. You know, I'll leave it at that maybe different Priorities, priorities change. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=1836.0,1872.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: your police has gotten up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=1873.0,1874.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, I think it's a tremendous thing, and it's just it's taken a little time to get going. But like anything new, the problem is, are so many fundraisers on campus because people don't have the money to do things. Particularly these last couple years have been hard and so, you know, to try to raise money. I mean, you look at the athletic department. I mean, they're selling bricks, they're selling this, they're selling that, they're selling patios, for the blocks, for the new thing on the north side. I mean, everybody's trying to raise money, and you know, you only have so much money with all these hands out. And so I think it's a tough time right now to get something grown, but I think there's enough people that are interested in this, and I think our base list is going to last, and come on, and it's just going to take time. It's just, it's not moving as fast, I'm sure as Libby would like it. But you know, Libby, I mean, she's a wonderful person, and Libby and I have our disagreements, but we're still good friends, and so I think it's a great thing, and maybe another three or four years, it's going to be even greater, but it's going to it's frustrating, but yet, you can see some things happening that some benches are starting to show up, some donors are coming forward. And I just think, you know, but it's hard. You're fighting the alumni, you know, the foundation, because of their fundraising thing. I mean, as an alumni, there isn't a week that goes by that I don't get something for they want this for that, or they want me to go on a cruise with them to Italy or wherever. And I mean, they could save so much money by just not sending me this stuff. And, you know, then the athletic department it there. I mean, if I put my mail from the university aside, I bet I could fill a box like that once, you know, a month. I can't. And it's not that I don't love the University. They were very, very good to me. But, I mean, I don't want to go bankrupt feed the university, you know, and so, and that's what we're fighting now, but we got enough good people on the committee, on campus and outside that are really sharp people that know what they're doing, and Libby knows that, and she's using these people very Well and listening to them, and it's gonna, it's gonna take off, it's gonna get off the ground. And I'm excited about it. I know they're looking at this old main project to to redo around Old Main. Old Main, we never had money for an irrigation system there. We put it in our budget every year. Was never approved. So it's all hand watering. It has been for God, I don't know how many years. Oh, sure, it is dragging a hose. There's no doubt about it, but it was a low priority. And you know, for what we wanted to do, there's a lot of shrubs and stuff to put an irrigation system. Or, yeah, it's going to cost some money. And even with the thing on water. Well, you know what you do? You don't water as much around. Oh man. A lot of us drought tolerant, you know, but there's the sidewalks need to be in some different traffic patterns. The only thing I hope they don't do, and I haven't shared this with Libby, but Old Main if you look at all the old pictures came out of the desert, and to me, that's how it should remain. It's in the center of campus, basically what I call the center, the hub. It shouldn't really be changed in the fancy patio walks or patties. You know, it's. Should kind of stay, kind of like it is, you know, fountain, the fountains there that should stay, you know, but, I mean, it's, there's some interesting plants there, but I think they're talking about a lot of concrete and bigger walks and maybe some, you know, planter beds and all that. That's not what Old Main is all about. And we tried to keep it that way for the years I was here. We transplanted a lot of things around there, a lot of interesting stuff, but a lot of it's basically a lot of it is desert stuff, and it could really be a neat place. But, you know, Old Main used to just have roses and Hollyhocks, and we used to plant hollyhocks around Old Main in the flower beds, because you don't see hollyhocks around in Tucson very often. But talking to Phyllis ball, she gave me a lot of information of what the landscaping was. We looked at pictures and and basically it was the pomegranates, Hollyhocks, flowers. There was greasewood around there. There's only a couple left there now. And this, those two date bearing palms on the west side there, and a lot of pictures of early Old Main but they're only this big. They're still there. I think myself that, if anything, I would love to incorporate some kind of palm garden there. You've got a lot of neat palms on campus. You have palms over there. Now is find a space for a palm garden. That'd be beautiful to have a palm garden there exactly. Oh, sure, and there's room for it. Not try to read design this thing into a modern looking landscape type thing. I'm afraid that's the way it's going something to do with preserving the feel of, I think it should be, it came out of the desert. That is the university Arizona, 1885 and why you got a beautiful building there, you know, why put in all this, this fancy terracing and planners and maybe these plants that really don't relate to the early, you know, times of Old Main Idea. Well, I, you know, I, I just think maybe some people call it progress modern. There you go, yeah. And I, you know, I'm all for changes in that, but I think they could really do something neat here. And I don't know really who's on. I know some of the campus people that are on this committee, I'd love to be on that committee, to have my input on that, because that's always been my thought. You leave it natural. Leave it natural. Build this heritage in and, yeah, you can repair some walks and maybe change the walks a little bit. Leave as is, you know, leave as is. If you look at all the early pictures, old mate, that's what it should look like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=1875.0,2288.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And maybe use the terracing and the other ideas in some of the newer buildings,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=2289.0,2291.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: exactly what you're doing now. You know the granite and the brick, and you know this and that, whatever you know, that's where it should go, and leave that building alone. And, yeah, put in a sprinkler irrigation system. But they're talking about lawns. Well, there's never any lawn at old me. Why a lawn? I mean, there's a little grass on the east side, but that was just, it's nothing that was really planted. It kind of grew up from, you know, seeds that were maybe blown in there and but we never cultivated a lawn over other than the lawn west of of the fountain used to be cactus, and that was turned into a lawn, but that was plenty. If you go around the building, there's no grass. And there should be. It should be just, what's wrong with natural dirt? You know, I just leave it alone and just add some things that blend in. What? What's there? Do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=2292.0,2354.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you think there's a place for the grass? Do you like the grass and the wide lawn on the mall? Oh, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=2355.0,2360.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: think the grass on the Mall is a unique thing. What more than with the weather you have out here is to have a wide open space like that. There's a lot of campuses on this United States that, I mean, those buildings are next to each other, and all you have is concrete and asphalt and very few laws. I mean openness, and that's what a community uses with their, you know, frisbees and dogs and this, and I mean events going on at this very unique I hope they never destroy that feeling, particularly from Cherry to Campbell. Oh. I mean, there's so. Much. It's so crowded down here some weekends, you know, even though they put that underground building, and I wish that that should have went somewhere else, I think, but it didn't. And it's done, and it's pretty nice. I don't like the curving arcades at Campbell, because I think when they put up that, you know, the toothpick, I call them the toothpicks or McDonald's, but anyhow, that room that you had a beautiful view, if you were on Campbell, you could look all the way through and see old me, if you were stopped there to stop playing. And they allowed that to happen, I think that was a blunder that should have never happened, but they sold the University on it and said, it will, you know, this gal that designed it. It was one of a kind. Well, then they come to find out there's two more of them. So I'll say no more on that. But that should have never been, but it was just a beautiful view. You could see Old Main all the way, you know, and so that was destroyed so but I apparently that was that was art, that was progress, and it's in the eye of the beholder, and it's there, and it will be for a while, and so be it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=2361.0,2476.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So you worked on campus from 1968","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=2477.0,2479.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: till 19, no two year. 2032 years. Well, I it's a long time. I was kind of feeling like a dinosaur. And actually I could have worked another couple, two or three years, but I had, I just had some other things I wanted to do while I was still able to do them, even though we had our tree farm in Wisconsin that was taking more time, the trees were getting bigger, and if you're growing them for a lumber you have to keep raising the lower branches off to keep the knots out of the wood. And that we got 10,000 trees. That's a lot of trees. And then, then I wanted to raise some apples in pinons for the nuts down in sonoida. So I got, I had property south of sonoida for like, 30 years, and it's out a ways. And so I built a little place down there. And while I was still working, worked on weekends and that. So rather than wait and retire and do all this, you know, I just wanted to have it going so, and I was still able, and I'm still able to do it, but you know, it is the aging process is coming up, so I've got that so that keeps me busy. I got 10 acres down there. Well actually we got 30. Now we just bought another 20, but I've got about three acres of pasture grass that I have to mow, that takes time, and then you're always repairing fences, and you know, it's just it's just time, but I love it. Are you still involved in the university at all? I'm on the arboretum committee, and then I've been doing some consulting for the university as they need me. I don't know there's a big $400 million building thing that's going across Speedway, and I don't know if they want me to look at the landscape plans or not, you know, I I unretired the first of January that the person that took my place didn't work out, and so he got terminated, and he was here not quite two years. So I unretired and I came back for five months till they hired a new guy, and which they did in May. So I worked from January or May. I never thought my wildest but anyhow, it was something I wanted to do because they were in a bind. I knew that. And, you know, and I really miss the people I work with for a lot of years, too. I didn't really miss the day to day things, the personnel problems, or these meetings, and some of the meetings that were just shouldn't be meetings at all. And, you know, the bureaucracy, the politics and so but I miss the people, and it was fun getting back, and I knew that, that the people were all set in place, and they were just trying to just keep, you know, some sanity, so to speak, till we replaced position. And we did. And the person doing very well, and I've talked with him, and I spent some time with him when I'm here, and so I'm glad that worked out, you know? So now, then I retired again. Amount","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=2480.0,2683.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: of time you have quite personal investment, the campus as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=2684.0,2687.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838/transcript/68348/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well. Well, you know, it's just I can get into areas and that, it's like, I get a flashback. God, I remember this. We did this and this and this and but the. High is, again, the high is walking through an area. And, I mean, look at all I'm doing is looking up. And so that, again, remains you, the reminds you of the aging process, you know, and but it's, it's, it's, that's a high I get when I come on campus. It's just to hit different areas, and certainly some of the newer buildings, you know, the stuff isn't that big, but I know I was a part of it. I know I looked at the plans and we okayed the plans, and I knew that, you know, it was done, right? And I spent a lot of time with a gal who's in grounds now that she's very good at inspections, and so she got it down. And I know they're the contractors now are not getting by with anything, because she just, she is smart as a whip, and she cuts them no, you know, corners, so it's in there. She's just doing a great job. And it reflects nothing is dying. The holes are being dug that, you know, and we used to have drain holes. We used to have them fill up six inches of water in the bottom of a hole, and had a drain in an hour if it didn't dig deeper. And that was part of the specs, and sometimes they wouldn't, I mean, so the guy dig deeper and just things like that. We had a watch, and I know they're being watched now, you know, and this new guy's making some changes that are all good changes. The only advice I really told him, I said, and I was a firm believer in this. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130442/file/243838#t=2688.0,2690.0"}]}]}]}