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They were gonna be talking with two u evey alums. It's gonna be a great show these guys are, are nasty and they're, they're cruel and they're mean and they're, they're funny as heck. And you know who they both are. We're talking to two cartoonists today. Rand Carlson and David Fitzsimmons, they both graduated from the U of A about, what, 1015 years ago, something like that, roughly centuries ago. Yeah. Good to have you with us. Rand on my far left, does cartoons for the New Times up in Phoenix and also for the Tucson weekly here in Tucson and other places. He's been around for a long time in Arizona. And David Fitzsimmons is the cartoonist for the Arizona Daily Star who we see just about every day, on the editorial six days a week, six days a week, man, good to have you with us. You both established careers as a political cartoonist. And my impression of political cartoonist is pretty much a mixture of part artists and part journalists and part cynic and part class clown and like your preset guys in general. How do you guys get into this business?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=75.0,139.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Totally by accident, usually in class would be the guys doodling and the guy's not doing the homework assignments. And then pretty soon, they started to pay us for it. And, and the rest is history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=140.0,151.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I got into it. I decided my senior year of college, I had no job skills whatsoever. And that's an ideal background and become an editorial cartoonist. And I come from a long line of military men, military officers. I remember telling me that Yeah, then I thought, Well, I'm not really well suited for the United States Air Force, and I might be able to serve our nation in a forest period capacity. He said, Son, you're gonna dare to make it in the real world without commissary privileges? Yeah. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=152.0,177.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So you went to the union graduated in the College of Fine Arts, not journalism, right? That's right, Bachelor of Fine Arts degree. So how do you get into the journalism aspect of it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=178.0,186.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How do I get into journalism as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=187.0,187.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: opposed to being like a graphic artist and doing say, logos for a living","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=188.0,191.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: love of words, love of words. Ever since I was in junior high school, I've been working for school or any publications doing yearbooks doing school papers, things like this. We said you want to rank on winter rank on a rinky dink a ring con stranger works for the Wildcat I worked for the Wildcat after working for the echo at ring con and the Wildcat was the best experience the world to actually get paid for doing bathroom graffiti.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=192.0,212.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You were also on the Wildcat staff brand","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=213.0,214.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I was but I came from California where I was doing alternative papers that you can see I'm quite a bit older than he is. Yeah. So I was doing things during the late 60s and early 70s. And I came to the Wildcat in 7172. Okay, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=215.0,227.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you were there about when I was there, I guess the same time Exactly. In fact,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=228.0,231.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think between Dave and I we covered almost 10 years of the Wildcat going back and forth because I returned to the Wildcat in 77 and finished up in 79.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=232.0,238.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I must say you're an exceptional role model for the younger cartoon. Thank you very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=239.0,242.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, so we would cover we're all in the age group and start waxing nostalgic. Let's talk about those early days of the Wildcat just a little bit. What do you remember what kind of cartoons really stuck out in your mind from from back then next?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=243.0,254.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, of course the war. Absolutely. The lottery when it first came up was around the time okay. And everybody having their their pool, a number dropped in. George McGovern came to the campus and everybody of course supported that and Oh, my, some of the first demonstrations and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=255.0,272.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: during the demonstrations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=273.0,273.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I was here just after the demonstrations where they broke the first window in the university drugstore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=274.0,278.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Right. Okay. So we were done with Watergate by the time you signed off by the time I signed on, Taylor and john Schaefer","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=279.0,285.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: was president of the gas john Shaffer, Jerry Ford. returned to abnormal see, yeah, good price for cartoon. Watergate. Watergate was unfolding. I was one of my first cartoons was about Jerry Ford. Taking over Richard Nixon I don't remember the idea. But it's good times for cartoonists because Watergate was a genuine hot, ugly, nasty scandal, almost feet, it was feeding us daily material. Because that's a lot of contemporary cartoonists come from that era nursed themselves into being thanks to Watergate and Richard Nixon. cartoonists owe him a lot. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=286.0,319.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that's for sure. Just like cartoonists young cartoonists day imaginable, oh, make them a paradigm talk about him later. But different question. Watching you, David, especially over the last couple of weeks is sort of given me the impression that political cartoonists don't really have a consistent political philosophy like you can't really be branded a Democrat or Republican. What comes to mind? Just two weeks ago, you did some of the nastiest john tower cartoons that I'd seen. And just the other day, the star, you had one that was kind of sympathetic to john tower?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=320.0,349.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, it was, it was just what's going on. He was critical of hypocrisy. The job of the cartoon is not limited to the voices cliche you hear everywhere. It's to afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted, and sooner or later, the people that you favor as a cartoonist are going to hold power, and what are you going to do? So you have to be an equal opportunity offender, equally critical, you're going to be out of work. I know a case where Jeff McNally, a conservative cartoonist, left the industry for a while because Reagan was elected and he was so delighted with Reagan that he couldn't produce any cartoon ideas that were critical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=350.0,381.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Read, you see more consistent to me, still. counterculture from the late 60s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=382.0,388.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, and that's why I found a home here in Tucson. I remember back you were talking about the days the Wildcat. Another issue way back in the early 70s was the addition with student tuition dollars of the football stadium. And back then john Shaffer, I suppose you'd call him a visionary today about the the Sports Scene coming into its own, but back then, we didn't want to raise tuition for anything. I think we were paying $87 a semester. And that was too much. So times have changed, and I've changed too. But I still like to, as Dave says, bash at every opportunity. I walk across the room for a good cheap shot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=389.0,420.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How about ideas, the some of the things you guys come up with any? Well, I imagine I do. I got lots like, but I bet the bound when I bounced off you before we taped the show, we just, we were taping this on, I guess Tuesday night, and we just found out that Edward Abbey of the university died and said, I've got an idea of question. You told me what my idea was, yeah, the weeping sawara.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=421.0,442.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Right. That happens often I'm probably having to leave, I'll do a cartoon, I'll find a syndicated Grand Old Man of the industry, I'll do a similar idea that kind of feels good. It's like as a universal conscious pool of cartoon thinkers out there,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=443.0,456.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: it's hard to do things click like, I can really see being original once in a while it happens. But to be original on command every single day about something that you may not care about. How does it become a job? And how do you get consumed, it does become","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=457.0,468.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: exhausting. And it's a struggle to find new ways to keep it fresh and to keep it interesting. And the way I do that is by constantly changing styles, trying to constantly changing approaches to creative problem solving, coming up with the ideas. And for coming up with the ideas, I usually rely on a basic combination of liquor and bathroom graffiti. About You.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=469.0,491.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It is it is a process. I think there's just so many ideas out there. And there's ways sometimes you can take the same idea and repackage it year after year through different styles and different approaches. So you can get a lot of mileage out of one idea. But there is sort of a universal pool out there. Remember, when Evan Macomb was in office, everybody had to do the wig parody with the tag sitting on there. So it is difficult to to come up with original ideas every week. However, I think over time, I have almost a black box sort of a thing every morning when I have to do a cartoon I just reach into the old black box and now spring something and I don't know what's going to happen in the morning when I reach in there and nothing's there. But so far it's just so automatic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=492.0,535.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: speeding up the tag. You know why put a tag on it makings to pay. Well, I can't really tell you guys i'll tell you is it Bob Corbin gave me a car.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=536.0,542.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, was the first person who the tag was it? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=543.0,546.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think so. Yeah, irresistible. It's such a tacky wig. I get angry call. So some folks down in a wildlife reserve rarely white Republicans, the Green Valley? Say we know it's a fake. It's obvious. Why do you insist on putting a price tag on his toupee? Leave the poor man","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=547.0,563.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that brings something else to mind. Thinking about this, you get pretty tough sometime you just said that, you know, a cheap shot is crossed across any room for it. But at the same time, there's got to be some limits to what you would do and won't do with a cartoon in print and public. Like Randy have any personal limits or not? Like what wouldn't you use a cartoon for?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=564.0,583.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I wouldn't I wouldn't use any any racial stereotypes. I wouldn't want to promulgate any any sort of core humor. As Dave says bathroom humor. I will approach the fecal area on occasion very subtly, itself. An obvious thing to do. But I think if the idea is going to work on its own, it's going to work without going for the jugular, as they say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=584.0,607.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How about you? Do you make fun of blacks, Jews and Hispanics?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=608.0,610.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, all the time. Now, cartoon, we have to be very sensitive that in fact that cartoon is conventions. That's you. There's always a forum every year to cartoons convention talking about racial stereotypes. And now, cartoonists deal with using figures in cartoons and avoiding racist stereotypes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=611.0,630.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: about sexual stereotypes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=631.0,632.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Whenever possible, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=633.0,633.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: whenever possible. Yeah. Well, I'm sensitive that because my boss is a woman, I all day editorial writers at women, so I feel like Geraldo Rivera.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=634.0,641.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How's that different, though? 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But one thing kind of as a journalist, it's always struck me as the responsibility and thought that the editorial page editors put into the editorial stances on the newspaper, and they have editorial meetings, and they, they interview people, and they get all kinds of pros and cons. And there's like a committee that comes up with how the paper is going to take a stand. Yet at the same time, it seems to me and correct me if I'm wrong, that the editorial cartoonist can pretty much do any damn well pleases on his own and in a sense, making even a stronger statement than the editorials that are beneath it on the left. 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Really,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=776.0,781.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think the genre is changing j i think, way back when there was a time when the editorial cartoon really illustrated the editorial. But as this type has evolved, the cartoonist gets more and more freedom, I think, to be a graphic columnist. And I think that's what Dave and I are. So we can pretty much in some cases go along with the editorial and in some cases, just wing it on our own. And I hope that the newspaper staffs the ones that I've been associated with, treat the cartoonists with lots of autonomy. 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Make your point that's a good This one's a little more subtle making a little bit or a whole lot more serious","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=839.0,844.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: interventionist my hemisphere and my problems my answers, okay, which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=845.0,850.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: kind of can be taken two ways there's people that could agree with you that this is the way it ought to be and people that saying that's the way it is, but you know, why are we doing this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=851.0,858.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, I have to pick it Apple Sam's a somewhat unpleasant right now. That was really uncalled for senator says Mr. quayle, that Mr. Benson","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=859.0,867.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, if you can't see that on TV, we've got a little tiny fly down here that just got squished","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=868.0,871.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: as a place that because I got a lot of angry phone calls.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=872.0,875.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, yeah. Okay, there's one that relates to that that I think I saw here that goes back to that same cartoon. Kill me. Find that real quick. Yes, right here. Good show this real quick. Going back to the same debate. We got some good years ago. We've got loot loot right here. We've got Superman, and if you can't read it says what? Nice try out kid. Let me let me put it this way. You're no Shawn Elliott. So your sports part sports fan and regular folk side once in a while","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=876.0,913.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: once in a long while it pains a cartoonists to do anything that resembles a positive statement, the cartoon. 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Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=952.0,958.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Senator Berry and Senator scary was a time I really couldn't tell the difference between one and the other.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=959.0,963.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And that was referring to john mccain taking over from Senator Goldwater. That's right. Okay. 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But I want to take a look at some of your making cartoons. Right when we come back. So please stay with us. We'll be back in just a second and take one more look at AV","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1021.0,1049.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome back to Arizona alumni forum Jay Rocklin here with you with Rand Carlson and David Fitzsimmons to political cartoonist and cartoonist in general. We were talking about aven how much funny was for you guys and nasty, nasty sword that you all are? and politically, the cartoonist seems like have a field day with him like, a million ideas a day, it seemed like came out and he dominated not only the front page, but the editorial page visually. 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And he kept doing his own just when he's at the time he thought it would calm down somewhat heavy would just put his foot back in there again. So I was sad to see him go Actually,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1081.0,1095.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: let's see what you've done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1096.0,1097.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I did a color piece of a caricature of Evan, for for purposes of promotion,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1098.0,1106.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: tilt it forward a little bit because we're getting some glare. Yeah, that's pretty neat.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1107.0,1109.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: This was actually sold at a U of A art show to a woman from France. That's great. We had evidence of course being in the on the television, Uh huh. And doing a good job to represent our state around the around the United States. 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But yes, every one of those seconds is is a name for whatever meachum is, and I Okay, got it. I won't even go into that. Yeah, leaving and all that's left is just a big laugh. 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Lots of fun. So, um, our cartoonist Mater, born there just happened to you. Did you learn how to do it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1154.0,1161.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, that's a good question. For myself. Humor was a survival tool. Because throughout high school, I was a nerd and a web and I was constantly the victim of bullies and humor is an excellent survival technique I haven't been able to draw as well. 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I imagine that they seek both of you out kids that are aspiring cartoonists or graphic artists, saying can you make a living doing it like here? We have one political cartoonist in Tucson and for years, we didn't have any. Yeah. And there's probably a whole lot of people that would like to be a political cartoonist and make a living at it, including rent. Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1227.0,1246.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: He is he making a living out of that? What do you tell kids about making a living? 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There are there are political elements that are getting into strips such as Burke breath in bloom County, and Kathy, and all that. So and also editorial illustration that you might see in covers of magazines and things like that are still what I would call editorial cartooning, but they're not cartooning for daily newspapers. And there's much more opportunity in that in that area, too. We need","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1275.0,1293.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: to break one more time and we come back, I want to talk about some of your own favorite cartoonists and maybe give us some inside stories on some of our favorite cartoonists. 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When did a cartoon work for you? Do you do it for yourself or you do it for reaction or for communication or what","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1344.0,1351.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I do it to get people involved in the issue? 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And sometimes he just misses the boat completely. And for some reason, they get into print and people miss it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1401.0,1417.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How come some cartoons like really catch on Gary Trudeau has got the pulse the generation like no one else has got it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1418.0,1424.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The Madonna is the industry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1425.0,1426.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Right? Good. What's the story on Trudeau Did you like him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1427.0,1428.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I don't like him anymore. I think he's kind of a tired, bitter, old liberal and I'm kind of weary of his monotone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1429.0,1435.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Nobody know about you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1436.0,1436.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I love him because to me, he hits the media up with sound bites and in ways with his living with Jane Pauley gives us insight into how the news media really works. How about Gary Larson? Gary is sort of he's on a hiatus right now. And I don't know when he comes back whether or not he'll be able to stay fresh. I think he's sort of peaked out. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1437.0,1454.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You're part psycho. How about Garrett gain Wilson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1455.0,1456.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Again, Wilson. He's a wonderful classic from playboy. But Gary Larson is my favorite. He's consistently fresh and he thinks it was cartoons, his teaching tools, oddly enough, and I think they weren't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1457.0,1467.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: a Philistine on some cartoonists that. Those of us out in general public land may not know about who we should know about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1468.0,1474.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Ralph Steadman. Fabulous. British artists. A lot of a lot of my influences are European British artists or Canadian, Latin American artists are wonderful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1475.0,1483.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Do you have any that we should know about coming?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1484.0,1485.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Brad Holland you mean up and coming artists","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1486.0,1488.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: or just just folks that aren't mainstream that we might not know about this but should know about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1489.0,1492.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Ronald Searle is another British cartoonist who I was heavily influenced by. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1493.0,1497.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: good. You're working on See,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1498.0,1501.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Lv and a No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1502.0,1504.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I guess what with cane features? Yeah, tell us about what's going on like, well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1505.0,1509.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I started out doing things that are sort of not necessarily political, but social, called dumb trends. And I submitted it to King features. And while they didn't accept them trends, they put it into a new composite panel with about a dozen other cartoonists called the new breed and they'll start national circulation come May,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1510.0,1524.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: because that kind of the way it works like, say, like, how would you quote make it on a national scene as papers would start requesting yours and then all of a sudden, it would click that they have to buy yours more often. And then","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1525.0,1537.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you sell it this big sales jobs to the syndicate. If you can sell the syndicate, the large syndicates, they sell you to the papers, once the papers pick you up and respond that way, then you're in the door. I think the tough part is getting to the syndicate. As you well know, there's worked 1000s of entries into syndication land every year and they only accept maybe a dozen, two dozen new strips, it's very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352#t=1538.0,1557.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73599/file/159352/transcript/37794/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: difficult in a whole lot of ways. Newspapers are really an anachronism from, you know, years and years ago. 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