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Welcome. Great to have you with us today. I'm Jay Rocklin editor of the University of Arizona's alumni magazine, every once in a while, we'd like to get away from some of the more serious things we talked about on this program and academic kind of things and bring you up to date on some of the things that some of our more interesting alumni are doing. And today, I'm pleased to have as my guest, Patricia pressy, auto Martin, she just wrote a book called songs my mother sang to me, it's an oral history of Hispanic women from the southwest. We're gonna talk about that today. Welcome. Great to have you with us today. Congratulations on a lovely book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=83.0,113.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=114.0,113.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Let's let's talk about the book for a second, and we'll talk about you and then get to know some of the folks in it. First off, why did you create this book? What what needed? Did you did you see out there among the readers or within yourself for that matter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=114.0,125.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, as I explained to people, because that's a very common question that I get, I think I had several motivations. Of course, nothing's ever very simple. One was very personal. I think that was probably my strongest motivation was, I was very close to my mother. And I know she was very close to hers. And I felt like I wanted to document the lives of my mother and grandmother's generations, as mahican a women as Mexican American women, because I felt that as a I consider myself a transitioned mahican so many of the old traditions and, and cultural remembrances are getting lost, I felt it was important to document them, I think I in some way, I wanted to honor their spirit and their struggle, not just them specifically, but all mihika know, women that struggle the way they did, and made so many contributions to our society.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=126.0,184.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So me I was I was listening, myself included there, just tell ourselves always, let's talk, let's get our parents down on tape. Let's get our grandparents down on tape. And we don't ever do it. Did you do that with your own parents or grandparents or not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=185.0,196.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I know because both of my grandmother's died when I was relatively young. And, and your mother and my mother participated with me in a lot of the interviews that I did for my first book images. But I was not able to interview her for this book, because she died 10 years ago. But you know, in a sense, as I explained in the book, too, I think that was a big motivation for me, because we're all connected. And I like to think and I truly believe that the stories of these women are in directly the stories of my own mother and grandmothers too. We have that connection, there's a commonality there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=197.0,234.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: This really isn't a story about women. It's in many ways, a story by lots of very special women. And the technique they used is called oral history. And there's there's some people that may not be that familiar with. With that technique. Could you explain what oral history is and how that differentiates itself from other genres?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=235.0,251.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, so Well, I'm, of course, as you know, I'm not a professional academician. And I kind of make up things as I go along. But I've attended a few workshops. And basically, one has to have a fairly broad knowledge of their subject matter, of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=252.0,267.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: course, so people just want to know history as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=268.0,269.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well. Oral History is asking people and interviewing people about their lives. And once you have the background in a certain area, then you can create relevant questions. That's why I brought that up is, is it in other words, your questions have to be relevant, they have to be in tune with a person's time and the subject matter. And so basically, I made up a list of questions. There were several broad topics that I was interested in. women's lives, their genealogy the lives of their ancestors, their fathers, the the their community tradition, culture, education, work, child rearing. And you know, anything else that they wanted to tell me not only about your own lives, as you pointed out, but about their parents, their community? And so basically at a general outline of questions that I would ask women, tell me about your ancestors. Tell me about your parents. Where were you born? Tell me about your community? What were some of the traditions? What do you remember, as a child? What was your play? Like? What about religious practices? What about your education? And then of course, each individual might have a certain area that they were stronger in, and then I would pick up on that particular themes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=270.0,354.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And then these conversations are being tape recorded and transcribed, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=355.0,357.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And then I have a tape recorder. And then sometimes the interviews took place, several different occasions. And I would transcribe everything that that they told me. And then of course, try to arrange the conversation chronological order and edit out some of the irrelevant things. Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=358.0,376.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's fascinating. We need to break right now for just a second, but when we come back, I want to ask you about how you found some of these very special women. We hope you'll stay with us here on Arizona alumni forum. We'll be right back. Morning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=377.0,487.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thanks for staying with us on Arizona alumni forum, J. Rocklin. here with you having the pleasure to speak with Patricia press, yellow Martin, the author of song My mother's saying to me in oral history of Hispanic women from the southwest, we're talking about how you went about producing your oral history a little bit in the tape recorder and of transcriptions and editing. At the same time, though, there's, some folks can tell good stories, and some folks cannot. And also people's memories start fading. And I noticed that most women in your book right imagine in their 80s, can you give us some sense of how you found the women that ended up making up your book?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=488.0,521.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I was so fortunate because out of the 11 women that are interviewed, I was able to use 10, interviews, interviews that I felt were strong, strong enough to be included. And it was just a mixed bag a couple of the women or mothers of friends of mine, one of the women I found through an obituary column in the Arizona Daily Star, she was a sole survivor of a large family in out of aipa Canyon. I asked questions and the post Mr. Sin tuvok was related to her and sent me to Patagonia and I found her that way. Another woman in superior was recommended to me by a woman who's had a Chicano Studies library up in Arizona, Arizona State University up in Tempe. And so it was just kind of a sphere and a couple of the women I just knew there's one woman who was well known in town. She's probably the only woman that really had any kind of a following. That's gutterman Sandy have been thrown. She'd been very active in the theater here. And one woman I found, I called her to get a phone number and she started to talk to me and I thought, you know, I really i'd interview you. I was just so I think I really feel this book is is a little miracle in a way because I was so fortunate that almost everyone that I interviewed had a story and you're right about that, you know yeah. You have to be very selective because you have to have stories that are interesting, that are relevant that that have things that will interest people and not just the lives but you know, the history of the community. Sure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=522.0,612.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: They seemed very willing to share.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=613.0,614.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: All they were I was I was amazed one of the women, I found going door to door into Bach one day because I didn't know anyone in that town. And I knocked on the door and this little via he came to the door and I said, Senora Montoya, I said, my name is Patricia Martin, and I'm doing a history of women. I would you permit me to interview you and I was kind of shaking, you know? Sure. Come on, in, you know, no prob. It was wonderful. It was like, these people had been waiting for someone to come and talk to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=615.0,648.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It would seem that you can't help but fall in love with some of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=649.0,652.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, I fall in love with every single one of them. Jay, I really have I, every single someone asked me about the book once and I said, I think that the best experience for me of this book that to me, all these women in some way are saints. I mean, in the true definition of sainthood. They're good women. They're strong women. They're women who made sacrifices. They're kind and loving, unique individuals that I fell in love with. They're all angels to me to this day. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=653.0,684.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: still have you stayed in touch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=685.0,686.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes, I have every single one of them. In fact, I just visited avantone Wilbur Cruz yesterday, had little Christmas visit with her had Christmas visit with someone on Sunday. And and so it goes you know, I stay in touch with all of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=687.0,699.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's wonderful. was speaking about special women. Let's hear about you a little bit. You grew up in Tucson. Yeah. And went to public schools here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=700.0,709.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: went to public schools. A few. My first three years I think and then went to Catholic schools. I went to Sacred Heart school. My mother dragged me kicking and screaming as I told you, I wanted to be a crossing guard at Roosevelt. And then I graduated from sophomore in high school and then went on to the University of Arizona graduated in 1960. UV,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=710.0,731.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: did you identify growing yourself as a as a Mexican American woman? Or did that come later?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=732.0,735.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, no, I always very strong, I felt very strongly about being in a heat gun and my roots. You realize I grew up in the 50s where it wasn't so in to be mahican Sure. And but, you know, I always had a sense of cultural pride. I, I you know, it's it's interesting, I never thought of myself as really different. You know, I thought of myself as, as someone that had special things in her life that other people didn't have. But I was always very proud of that grew up speaking Spanish, you know, very close to my paternal grandmother and my aunts big extended family, you know? So,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=736.0,772.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: a lot of things your women talked about were familiar to them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=773.0,775.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, yes. In fact, yes. In my own family, since I didn't know my my own grandmother, my maternal grandmother, I know that, for example, she had a vigil on Christmas Eve through my mother telling me that story. And they used to my paternal grandmother. They used to do the Posadas in Mexico, when she was a young woman before she came to the States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=776.0,798.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How about you becoming a writer? Was that always part of who you were going to be at? Or that did that come later?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=799.0,803.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, that wasn't at all what it was. I don't know what I was going to be. I actually fell into it by accident. You know, I, I used to tell my, my children's stories on camping trips, and I began to write children's stories. And I submitted quite a number of children's stories, actually, and had a stack of rejections that tell what led me to Mexican oral history was Mexican American history was, I was I decided to collect local folk tales from the Mexican community. But that grew into much bigger project. The folktales were just a very small part of a much bigger picture of, of the Mexican People's History, and presence and roots in these communities. So that's, that's how I grew to do have this interest in Mexican oral history. Mexican American, well, it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=804.0,851.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: time to break one more time we come back I want to share some of the actual flavor of the book with people. And I you know, it'll be nice, please stick around. This is Arizona alumni forum. We'll be right back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=852.0,888.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Most You're listening to Arizona alumni forum brought to you by the University of Arizona's Alumni Association in the station. I'm Jay Rocklin. Thanks for staying with us. My guest is Patricia Martin, the author of songs my mother sang to me and oral history of Hispanic women from the southwest. Pan I want to ask you to share some of the book with us in this segment, but before we get into the actual story, we're gonna be meeting so corto Felix Delgado, tell us a little bit about her.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=889.0,988.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, so quarter is one I called for a phone number and she started to chat with me on the phone. She's the youngest woman in the group in the book. But she's very special because she lived at one time in a home where there were four generations her great grandmother, her grandmother, her mother and herself. And so Cotto never married and up until she was in her mid 30s. She did go to work, but she did not work up until her mid 30s stayed with her grandmother took care of her and followed her grandmother on her spiritual missions in the barrio. So So Khodro soaked up, she was kind of a recipient of all this culture and tradition and, and beautiful things that her grandmother did. And so she became the conduit in a way of this history. So she's a very, very special person and her grandmother, Andrea feliks was very well known in the boardroom as a spiritual leader. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=989.0,1047.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: why tell us a little bit about what we're going to be hearing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1048.0,1049.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, so Cora's grandmother, Andrea feliks. Their their big vigil was on Christmas Eve, they had a novena nine days prior, but the big night was Christmas Eve, where they would the whole family would gather in the home and they would honor the Holy Family and her grandmother knew of lot of old, what are now considered antique prayers and songs. All of those have actually been more or less lost. No one really recites these poems and prayers anymore, but so corporal remembered a lot of them because she participated in these vigils on Christmas Eve, so I thought since tis the season, then yesterday Liferay as Margot's, which is the three kings isn't until the fifth of January, I thought maybe it would be appropriate to remember coming from so kudos Christmas Eve screw.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1050.0,1096.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: My grandmother. She's talking about Andrea was very religious. She told us that she was raised by her grandmother, and that she was also very religious. And this is where she learned all this, her grandmother's name with Lolita. And she used to call her malita my grandmother had a special devotion to the rosary and we used to pray the rosary every night on our knees. And after the rosary, she'd pray to each and every saint whose picture she had up there on the wall. So when she would say let's pray the rosary, I used to think Oh no, because it would take forever and we had to stay on our knees if we dared to squirm or slouch. She would give us that look, straighten up, keep still stay quiet. As I have said she had a vigil and thanksgiving to the sweet names a Holy Family because they had granted her her prayer when they wanted to buy the ranch. She had the vigil from the first year they moved to the ranch. My mother told me it would be a whole week and preparing. So Christmas was always very special to her. Because although people would say that's not the day of the Holy Family, she would say that's the day the baby was born. She always had this little altar, a little statue of the Holy Family, which I still have and took and the two candles. But on Christmas Eve she would dress it up special. She covered the little table with beautiful crocheted and embroidered claws that my great grandmother had made. For many years I helped her decorate. We hung sheets on the wall and pinned a lot of paper flowers on them. She made the flowers herself. And in the backyard, we had a big palm tree. She would have somebody cut the palm fronds and we cleaned them and put them this way in that way. And then she would buy four big candles at the cathedral and put two on each side of the Holy Family. I used to buy things at Chris's little birds and little bells Anything to hang to make it more colorful, and my grandmother would supervise and make sure that everything was done just so that everything matched that nothing was crooked. When we finish she would say the nemos get the nettles, clovers frescoes, we have to have the fresh carnations, and she would always buy six fresh carnations to put on the altar. It was a big spending. The important thing was a family. My parents, my sisters, Carmen and Andre and my brother has say, my uncles and aunts and cousins and neighbors and friends came to my grandmother's house early on the 24th. Christmas Eve was a day of absence, you didn't eat meat, so they made enchiladas and potato salad with AIG. And she made little Anna's cookies and wine out of dried figs. She fermented the figs in a big crock, covered it with a clean dish cloth, stirred it on different days and put it in little bottles. That was a special treat on the night of the 24th. When people arrived, they'd have a little snack and then we went into her room to pray. The rosary wasn't the important thing. After the Rosary. We had hymns and she said special prayers. If she we didn't answer loudly enough, she made us do it over again. At 10 o'clock we'd have a break and eating enchilada salad and his cookies and some fruit. She passed around the fig wine and little goblets and silver and crystal platters. The wine was very exquisite. When my sister and I got older we did that. My Nina had a little notebook with songs and she taught them to us and made us practice so that if other people would come we had to know the songs. We giggled when we practice and she would tell us to stop. We had to get up in front of the people and recite little poems. Viva el sol Viva la luna Viva La Quiero ser la Fey. We went through the loss of waters that hey Soos Maria was say, long live the sun long lived the moon. Long live the rainbow of faith. Long live all the devotees of Jesus, Mary and Joseph. The waiting was till 12. And then at midnight, everybody went to see the baby Jesus in the middle of the table. She had a cute little manger. And we went to buy to starting with the children to adore the baby. She sang a special little song that went like this. gathered together all you children and an infinite number. to adore this small child is bless a child. Oh come let us adore the child Jesus who fills us with His grace and with his light, or come to the adoration. Under the little altar table. She had little gifts, a little doll or a little car, or some candy from the dimestore. She told us that the baby Jesus had left it there because we had been good. We didn't know Christmas trees. We didn't know Santa Claus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1097.0,1351.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What's lovely","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1352.0,1353.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: was that give you the flavor of what really went on more than just hearing some narrative from some quote expert writing about the times?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1354.0,1361.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, Christmas trees actually, you know, a relatively new tree kind of families. You know, most of the people in the early 1900s didn't have Christmas trees. They had the nacimiento the little nativity scene. So this is we've become very acculturated, but it's nice to save some of these memories. You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1362.0,1379.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: know, got lots more to talk about need to break one more time and thanks for sharing that with us. Hope you stay with us. We'll be right back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1380.0,1416.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Evening he'll go to two.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1417.0,1469.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What's up? Welcome back to our final segment of Arizona alumni forum, Jay rock and you're speaking with Patricia pesi. Press Seattle Martin, author of songs my mother's saying to me as you were going through the interviews, transcribing the tapes any surprises? Or what's there is pretty much what you expected, but maybe nicer or whatever?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1470.0,1504.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think I was surprised actually, when I initially started the project, I was interested in women and work. And I think again, you know, it was something that was a little more focused. I think what surprised me was how articulate these women were, how broad their memories were, how specific their memories were, as if they were kind of a vessel of history. And I think I was also surprised. I knew that mahican a women had made a lot of contribution. But I was surprised that they're independent. They're their spirit. They're, I think I had my own stereotypes about make on a women of that generation, they were very independent, very strong. They worked for a living, many of them were single mothers. That was a surprise to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1505.0,1551.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What surprised me by it shouldn't have been in today's political terms, was there their level of self awareness of just what their situation was and what it was like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1552.0,1561.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, you know, it's interesting to I think that's another important lesson of the book, I'm always amazed at that generation, I think, our generation in a sense, we are independent, but we are more dependent on support systems. So many of these women did what they did on their own, they healed","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1562.0,1580.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: they were the supports us, they were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1581.0,1581.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the support system, they were the curandera they were the midwives, they were the cooks, they supported their families, they raised their children. And very often with no outside help or learning, it was a lot of self taught knowledge. I think that's a thing that I find so admirable, that you can have a lot of knowledge and be educated, you teach yourself and you learn from one another.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1582.0,1604.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What projects are coming up for you, as well as I mean, just this, like any good project probably opens up more doors than","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1605.0,1612.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, you know, I would, I would just absolutely love to do a sequel of this book. Because I feel in some ways it it really isn't finished. And I feel like nothing is perfect, right? And there's so many other stories that I missed, and I'm sure wonderful women, but I'd actually like to do a book on men. And I think I'm, I'm trying to decide, but I'd like to focus it on the ranch life. I'd like to focus it on the connection to the land, let the era you know, run so strongly and abrupt, but that's probably why I'm dressed like this is to have a story that my grandfather dressed and nothing but leather from his head to his foot Shinto, I am of a ranching tradition. Very many make Ghana people are we have that tied to the land. And I'd like to document that through the eyes of men. And again, more broad in scope, the history, the community, but the tie to the land, and how the land was lost, you know, the transition that has come about in the last century, but we'll see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1613.0,1664.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah. Well, when they ask you to that it was actually a little bit of a hole for me, me realizing that you can't do everything in one book was. Many of the women this book were also tied to the land. They lived in rural Arizona, maybe mining towns, but not really urban areas. And they weren't wealthy. They're probably I would imagine there were wealthy urban made cars, or weather. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1665.0,1687.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you know, I think our definition of wealth has changed. And you may have missed what was between the line because there are several women in this book that came from very well to do families. Their connection was with the land. And and you know, our system of what wealth is this change. For example, Livia lay on Montel, who is a sixth generation to sown in her great grandfather owned many ranches under the door. He was a member of the Territorial Legislature. They were considered well to do. A while I don't believe in classes necessarily, but we're talking about that terminology. You know, upperclassmen, he Shannon was hooli awareness is also came from a very established family who came to Mexico at so many people's financial circumstance, dances changed. And the wealth was defined in the land like inada Viper Canyon. But Julio villas is definitely urban. She was on the south to sand City Council, of course, Chairman, Senator Bill Tran is also urban.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1688.0,1745.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's absolutely true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1746.0,1746.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And what you see here is the transition from the rural to the urban more than document to me documentation of the herbal urban lifestyle, I think probably simply because it interests me more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1747.0,1757.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Sure. And it's fascinating to we haven't told people where they can get this book yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1758.0,1762.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think you can pretty much anywhere Yeah. And in fact, they have it at the university bookstore. I understand and I bought in Phoenix, Phoenix, I don't know but you know, the you have a press pretty much distributes statewide, so I'm guessing that it's available. And in fact, I think there's gonna be an article about it in the Arizona Republic. So that must mean there's some interest in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1763.0,1785.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's wonderful. Is the book changed your life at all so far?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1786.0,1791.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think it has. It has changed my life a lot. I think just knowing these women have made me feel so blessed and so full and Just expanded my horizons, I think and given me so many role models, and I think, of course, it's changed my life in other ways, because there seems to be a lot of interest in the book and I've had a lot of opportunities to share and that really makes me happy because I want people to know these people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998#t=1792.0,1816.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73630/file/159998/transcript/37907/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Great. Well, on that note, we're out of time. Okay. It's been a wonderful conversation. The book again is song as my mother saying to me, in oral history of Mexican American women by Patricia press, press, the other Martin, available from the U of A press and in bookstores all over the state. This has been Arizona alumni forum brought to you by the 140,000 members of the University of Arizona's Alumni Association on this station. I'm Jay rockfon. hoping you'll join us again next time on this program. 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