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[?] with a voice like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=6.04,12.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Well, seems to me your voice sounds the same on that gimmick as it does . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=12.22,15.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Well, it . . . everybody's voice sounds different to himself 'cause you hear it from inside, and you get all this resonance here, so nobody sounds natural to himself.  I sometimes am confused with Charles on the telephone, and once in a while with Bruce.  They still have .. .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=15.26,38.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=38.27,40.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . voices apparently that still sound like mine. Bruce is a little different, deeper.  But I'm surprised that I have gotten what experience I have in the theater.  I don't think my voice is particularly good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=40.0,63.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Carries well.  You know, after I wrote The Old China Hands, why I got an awful lot of uh mail, fan mail from ex-old China hands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=63.02,80.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And they all said it was the happiest time of their lives.  'Course that never occurred to them till they read  . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=80.17,87.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Naturally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=87.04,87.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And it uh . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=87.24,89.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Started thinking about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=89.1,89.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: It brought back old memories and things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=89.17,92.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I don't know that Old China Hands isn't my favorite of your work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=92.01,96.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-mm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=96.11,96.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I've read it two-three times now, and I have no common experience with it but thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=96.15,107.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Did you read the Magician Out of . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=107.09,109.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=109.02,109.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  . . . 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Well, good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=116.07,120.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  There was something . . . .  Well, I think one thing was it involved you personally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=120.03,126.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=126.01,126.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  And so it was much more understandable to me, and I could relate to it a great deal . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=126.27,133.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=133.19,3733.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  . . . more than the purely fictional things.  Uh and I'm not sure some of the other things aren't even over my head.  I have to confess to a little bit of ignorance, or a whole lot of ignorance, as a matter of fact.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=3733.15,3748.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=3748.09,3749.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  In fact, I read Man . . . the thing out of . . . 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[Laughs.] It's a delightful thing that I feel  I probably missed a great deal in it that I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=3763.19,3776.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Did you read “The End of the Rainbow”?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=3776.02,3778.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: No, I didn't. That one I did not.  Wait a minute! That's a . . . that's in the Ghosts of Manacle. I did. I did read  that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=3778.18,3789.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, is it? 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And Pete Billay[?] tried his hand at selling it, but didn't get anywhere either. 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I think that was some of the best writing you did. . . . so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7468.26,7477.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, we got plenty of school textbooks--all those tall ones along there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7477.2,7483.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Ohhh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7483.27,7485.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: The whole works. There’s my thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7485.19,7491.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Well, that says a lot for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7491.29,7493.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7493.27,7498.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: You uh . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7498.03,7498.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And they say it's commendatory. Perhaps it's about it in each one of the books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7498.2,7506.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: OK, I'll look at them and copy those things down. Did you ever have a snake for a pet? I know you caught them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7506.06,7524.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7524.12,7525.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Did you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7525.14,7525.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: They don't make very good pets, because they're not too intelligent, and they're not affectionate at all.  All they'll do is just eat and sleep and writhe around when you pick 'em up.  So . . . I never have figured out why snakes fascinated me the way they have, but they did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7525.28,7553.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: What did you feed them? I've got friend whose son has a pet snake, and they buy baby chickens from the hatchery.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7553.03,7560.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum. [Sound of dishes in the background.] Well, depended on the snake. Uh rattlers we’d uh . . . we'd usually get these round-tailed ground squirrels--these little guys that sit up and look at you, you know? We'd shoot them and feed the thing, or rats or mice. And I was talking to a girl that used to feed  reptiles and small animals out to the Desert Museum. [?] She said, “Oh, we buy 'em frozen--frozen white rites . . . white rats, white mice, thaw 'em out, and the snake can't tell the difference.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7560.28,7602.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Oh! They don't have to be live then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7602.29,7605.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7605.0,7609.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: What did your mother think of your interest in snakes when . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7609.22,7613.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, she was pretty well uh insulated [?] and we kept them out in back and out of sight. But she didn't get hysterical over it, or anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7613.17,7629.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: You didn't get admonished like I did, apparently. Every time I went out for a walk in the . . . when I was a kid in the country I was told to look out for the snakes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7629.1,7641.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, you see, my brother and I, we knew a great deal more about snakes than my mother or father did, and so it was an unfair competition when we discussed them at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7641.06,7674.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Did you have any interest in other animals as . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7674.06,7677.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, we had dogs for pets, rabbits, guinea pigs, squirrels, uh no cats. Didn't like cats in those days, and the dogs would try to kill 'em. Uh . . . then I decided several years ago when we had that uh basset hound that I'd had enough of pets forever. He was such a mess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7677.19,7717.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I forgot his name. What was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7717.28,7719.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Louie.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7719.13,7720.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: [Faintly] Louis. I think the one I'm thinking of was the dachshund.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7720.2,7726.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, that was Snorkel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7726.12,7727.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Snorkel, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7727.23,7728.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, he was a nice little dog and so was that Cairn Terrier, but well, that basset hound was . . . couldn't even give him away.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7728.0,7740.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah, I wondered why you didn't have a pet now, 'cause I think . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7740.12,7743.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7743.28,7744.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . last time I was here you had the basset or something, something. [Jet airplane flies over.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7744.14,7751.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Must have been the basset. [Plane makes speech impossible.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7751.13,7763.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: How close were you in age to your brother? Did you have uh one sibling you were closer to emotionally than the others?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7763.26,7770.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, going up the scale, like I was the youngest.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7770.2,7775.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Oh, you . . . right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7775.11,7775.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Then the next one was 2 years older.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7775.13,7777.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Two years older.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7777.21,7778.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And the other one was uh 6 years older, I think. They're both dead now, of course.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7778.17,7785.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Did they come to Tucson for their health, or just visiting?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7785.27,7788.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No, there just wasn’t anything to do in Sedalia at the time, and  uh they knew this boy that had worked down here for the Forest Service in Tucson. And so he suggested they all p- . . . come down here, and they did, by various means. And uh Fred, the oldest: he got married and had three children, and they all married and have numerous children, and never see 'em any more. Leverett, he was kind of unfortunate. He lo- . . . .He had a pretty good job in the . . . before the Depression, then lost it, on the railroad, when they cut back on the work force, and he came down here. Got a job finally as a janitor, night janitor at Steinfeld's and just kept it for 25 years. And he died of a brain tumor. And Fred got on as a reporter for the Citizen, then went over to the Star, and finally became managing editor and got a divorce, and much unhappiness. And he ended up by shooting himself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7788.07,7872.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I was here when that happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7872.13,7873.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, death has always been rather cruel to us Finneys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7873.25,7879.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7879.12,7881.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: I suppose I'll have another stroke one of these times, and that'll be it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7881.01,7885.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Ohhh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7885.03,7886.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: That's what I told my doctor. He said, \"Aw, you'll live to be 100.\" I told him I didn't want to.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7886.23,7891.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: [Laughingly] yeah. Was he on at the Star before you were or after? 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It's torn down now to make room for the Civic Center.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7909.06,7915.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: You wrote that story about the Mexican girl I remember in . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7915.07,7918.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, yeah, Isabell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7918.27,7920.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Had the baby out in the yard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7920.02,7921.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7921.25,7923.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: What was the name of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7923.15,7924.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Isabell. I think Harper's changed the name to \"Isabell the Inscrutable.\" That was it, yeh. I was doing pretty good with short stories for awhile.  I was selling them all as fast as I'd write 'em, which wasn't very fast. To Harper's and New Yorker, [sounds of pots and lids] Paris Review, Fantasy \u0026 Science Fiction, and that little magazine in Phoenix, Point West, which went broke.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7924.2,7966.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Do you remember how many stories you've written in all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7966.01,7968.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: I don't know, June. I was trying to figure. You see that bunch of magazines up there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7968.28,7975.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7975.18,7977.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: I think . . . I think they're all there. I'm not sure. I tried to keep a copy of everything, but . . . and Ghosts of Manacle there are most of 'em. And I forget how many are in there. But those were my most productive years, when I was writing uh short stories. Lot easier to write than novels, incidentally.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=7977.02,8012.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Is it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8012.16,8013.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah, I think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8013.05,8018.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Well, you have the leisure to kind of wander along within that. And the short story has to be very concentrated, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8018.09,8025.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, also has to have a conflict in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8025.26,8030.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8030.27,8034.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, some that I thought were pretty good, and those got turned down 'cause there wasn't any conflict.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8034.12,8040.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Ooooh! You know, in here in The Unholy City, you say, \"What is a plot without simplicity and beauty?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8040.22,8050.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8050.04,8050.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I thought that was very nice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8050.2,8052.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, it doesn't sell for one. [They laugh.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8052.04,8063.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: And I liked your . . . your poem--it's really poetry-- . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8063.15,8067.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8067.03,8067.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  . . . in The Unholy City. [Another jet flies over.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8067.13,8073.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Which one was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8073.15,8075.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: The \"Sleep and dreams and rest in peace are good.”","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8075.1,8077.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8077.27,8079.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: \"To wine, to dine, to sleep and dream are good. \nTo wine, to dine, to love, and then to sleep is good. \nThese are adorable things: Love me, oh, Lord; give unto me much of them.” [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8079.06,8095.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Hum. Well, I still believe that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8095.25,8111.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Um 'course I appreciate the wit that . . . that . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8111.25,8122.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8122.14,8122.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . shines through in them, the nice little . . . this flight sta- . . . . No, where is it? Uh . . . \"As moments go, this one seems particularly flitting,\" in the Magician Out of Manchuria. I liked that very much. Um I noticed in your work that brunette women keep cropping up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8122.18,8147.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Mmm?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8147.01,8147.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Did you have a special preference for brunette women?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8147.02,8154.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, I think I did, um-hum. I don't know why, but I believe I did, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8154.25,8175.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah, the uh . . . the queen in the Magician is brunette, and of course in uh the uh story about the black dog, black retriever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8175.06,8185.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8185.2,8186.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: That woman  is brunette, and in The Unholy City there's a brunette, the one that Malahide, I believe, goes out with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8186.26,8196.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Ohh, yeah, that's right. Well, I guess . . . I never thought of that. Freudian uh hint, I suppose. [?] Well, writing was fine. I wish I could do it some more. But I don't have any ideas, for one thing. You finally run out of ideas. You think that you can write, oh, dozens and dozens of books, but when you get to repeating yourself, why, it's time to quit, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8196.22,8246.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: You said that the short story, this represented your most productive years. About what period was that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8246.22,8255.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, about, let's see. We moved here in 1950. I think 1950-65, about 15 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8255.22,8271.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Did you try to work [Another jet airplane flies over.] on a regular schedule, or did you just work as the spirit moved you, or . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8271.1,8278.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No, every morning at 11 o'clock, I'd sit down and write till noon and next day throw it away, start over again, and uh those were my perfectionist days, when I swore I'd rewrite everything five times till I got it right. I gave that up after awhile.  Too much trouble and too much waste of time. But . . . and I never wrote anything for the newspaper except for a couple of obits, friends of mine. But as far as reportage, going out and covering a story, I never did that. I was always on the editorial side. Putting in commas and correcting spelling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8278.05,8345.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I worked as a copy editor too, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8345.12,8347.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8347.2,8348.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I know exactly what you would do over here. I think that's one of the best backgrounds you could have for writing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8348.24,8362.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, it helps, teaches you to be careful what you're doing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8362.26,8366.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah, and it shows you so many times what bad writing is, [more kitchen noises] and what to avoid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8366.04,8370.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, today you see plenty of that. [Clock chimes one.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8370.23,8378.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: And I guess in a sense it would kind of hold you to the point, too. 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Yeah, they’re writing good headlines for the Star now. I don't know who's doing it, but to me they're an improvement. And then of course there's the so-called \"late breaking story.\" I remember the night that Truman fired MacArthur, and I had everything all tied up neat and the type all in, everything, page one ready to go. And then here comes a bulletin, you know, MacArthur . . . I mean, \"Truman Fires MacArthur.\" Had to tear the whole thing up to . . . . 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And election night was a perfect horror, when you had close races.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8459.09,8470.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I can imagine.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8470.0,8476.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Is Marty figuring on running for office of some kind?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8476.09,8480.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I don't know. At one time he toyed with the idea, but uh I don't know what happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8480.01,8495.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: He'd probably make a good prosecuting attorney. We could use one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8495.16,8502.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I think probably his sympathies have been too long as a defender. I don't know that he could . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8502.09,8507.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8507.22,8508.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . emotionally he could . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8508.16,8509.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: That he . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8509.28,8510.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . could prosecute.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8510.02,8510.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: . . . could switch gears. [Laughs.] Start . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8510.02,8512.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I just don't think he could do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8512.28,8514.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: . . . persecuting them? [Sound of match and beginning to smoke.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8514.07,8552.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Can you go back and think about old things like the first time you met Marie and what your impressions were, and . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8552.08,8564.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, love at first sight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8564.03,8565.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Love at first sight. That’s beautiful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8565.25,8567.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum. We met in the French cafe at his . . . Her cousin, Howard Welty, worked at the Star then. We were good friends, and we used to uh . . . ah, sorry, but I'm getting that wrong. Welty's wife was Marie's cousin, and Marie was living down here with her aunt, working at Steinfeld's. And the Weltys knew that I was unattached, so they had . . . we had a party at the French one night with the two Weltys, and they brought Marie along as a potential date for me, and we fell for each other right away. Been like that ever since.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8567.12,8625.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Hum. How do you account for having been a bachelor so long? You were over 30 already.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8625.04,8633.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Matter of economics. I didn't have any uh money, and I wasn't making very much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8633.27,8639.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Uh-huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8639.01,8642.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, when we uh . . . . When we were married, I was making $18 a week, and she was making $60 a month, and we had to support her aunt off and on. I didn't have any ones that I had to help. We made out all right. Now we got a house and a car and money in the bank, so uh two very prosperous sons-in-law, so we're not hurting there either.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8642.08,8684.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: You've done better than my mother. She said one time that at least she and . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8684.08,8687.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8687.21,8687.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . dad held their own. I think this was . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8687.27,8690.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8690.03,8690.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . their 48th or something anniversary. She was remarking that they'd started out with nothing and they still had it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8690.22,8696.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8696.25,8701.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: So you beat that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8701.07,8702.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Uh-huh. Well, my writing was sort of like having an extra job coming in, helped too. June, I got that $10,000 for the movie rights to \"Lao.\" Why, that really put us in a position to do a little extra spending. I think rent is what ruins people. You know, older ones that are . . . particularly those that are on Social Security or a very small pension, paying out a rent every month. Here we don't . . . And taxes don't amount to anything. Just a little we have to pay for it. And the way it is now, don't even have to pay taxes if we don't want to. Just let 'em accumulate, and when we die and leave the house to the kids, why they get to pay the taxes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8702.01,8764.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: [Laughingly] Ohhhh! I didn't know you could do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8764.09,8766.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, it just happened this year. I . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8766.25,8769.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Ohhh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=8769.03,12369.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: . . . take it to last year. We got . . . Everything that goes wrong always happens on Saturday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=12369.01,12388.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=12388.02,12388.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: So we'd . . . when the TV busted, it was Saturday. When I had that nosebleed that put me in the hospital, that was Saturday. I forget how many times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=12388.2,12406.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Sad Saturday instead of blue Monday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=12406.24,12408.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum, seemed like if we can just get through Saturday we're all right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=12408.19,12413.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: [Laughs.] [Clock ticks.] I'm sure these are the schoolchild kinds of questions you get, but what do you feel is--aside from some native talent--what do you feel is the most important uh [sighs] factor or . . . or what . . . what am I trying to say? 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Where do you get that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=12467.04,12509.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Well, I just have to be . . . 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Um to see things a little differently from the run of the mill, and to be able to communicate that vision to somebody else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939#t=16126.24,16144.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167939/transcript/40207/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Those are things that are born in you and not uh cultivated. I don't think you can cultivate imagination. 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And I . . .I admire your . . . your prose so much. I . . . I think you have . . . . [Sounds of dishes in the background.] As I said, I think a lot of it is poetry. I think some of your metaphors are sheer poetry. 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Follow your vision and . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=1.07,4.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Mark Twain once said that when a book quit writing itself he would stop . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4.02,8.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=8.23,8.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . and go to something else for awhile. Did you have that kind of feeling, that it just kind of flowed and all you had to do was write it down, or . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=8.29,17.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: More or less, yeah, um-hum. Hemingway had some good advice, too, that you only write a certain amount a day anyway, but always stop right in the middle of a crisis or . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=17.23,31.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Oooh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=31.1,31.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: . . . something, 'cause if you finish it, then you have to think up a new one the next day. But if you have one you can just go on with the uh writing, why . . . . I never cared too much for Hemingway's stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=31.11,47.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: And I didn't either. Which of your works do you like best? Or do you have a favorite?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=47.04,57.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, it's hard to say. Uhhh I think I had more fun writing The Magician Out of Manchuria than anything else. That was my last book, and I wasn't particularly in need of cash to sell it, but it sold right away, so . . . . 'Course I struggled a lot with Dr. Lao and was real happy with that when it was done, but now people are reading into it things that [laughs under his breath] I haven't even the faintest idea of what they're talking about [Fredman laughs.] any more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=57.11,114.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: That's kind of a startling experience. 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It's almost as if you are doing it tongue in cheek.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=157.23,169.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: I probably was, yes. 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At least I . . . my reading experience is not as . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=185.02,193.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=193.07,193.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . broad as yours, but I . . . I haven't come across that particular style before, and I wondered if you were aware of it or if it's something you did naturally and didn't really think about.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=193.19,202.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No, I think I did it deliberately to uh . . . . I've always more or less equated uh prose with uh symphonic music. 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Do you kind of object to having some of your work called science fiction? I mean that wasn't even a term that was used back in those days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=248.2,259.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, the not . . . the magazine was Fantasy \u0026 Science Fiction, so it all fit into the fantasy there . . . category and well, . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=259.27,269.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I know your paperbacks sometimes appear on the shelf along with the science fiction works.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=269.1,274.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, well, they stick 'em up there 'cause there's no place else to put 'em.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=274.07,277.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=277.14,286.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um. Well, some of those stories have been published in France, too, uh just . . . Fantasy \u0026 Science Fiction out- . . . uh firm has an outlet in France where they did . . . . Did you note . . . they don't seem to translate so good into French. I don't know. I'm going to have to . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=286.03,317.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: OK. [Tape recorder is turned off and on.] . . . sense of I don't know, futility I suppose, unhappy relationships or whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=317.26,335.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: That burns me up about that book. I can just see it, you know. I've never had that particular feeling.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=335.07,346.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah, I can see everything but that one word.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=346.24,349.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=349.01,349.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I have no . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=349.02,351.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN PERSON: [Marie?] Here I found this, Charles, if [?] do it for you. [?] It's about [?] but it might . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=351.11,361.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=361.02,362.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN PERSON: . . . make it/help it come to mind. You know [Finney coughs.] [?]. . . . that would do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=362.05,369.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Too bad they don't quote some.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=369.02,370.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN PERSON: Yes, I don't think they've quoted any of the [?] but uh I kind of thought, well, [?] . . . . Have you ever noticed that sometimes you just . . . don’t know if I can . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=370.22,387.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Is that Martin?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=387.19,389.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN PERSON: Martin?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=389.14,391.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: It's something that looks like his stuff. No, American . . . American [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=391.25,400.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: We got a Bartlett, didn't we?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=400.13,402.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN PERSON: Yeah, but it's gone [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=402.08,404.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Hmmm. [Incomprehensible speech away from microphone.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=404.19,413.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN PERSON: Oh, I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=413.19,415.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, it says, \"Poetry is a kind of continuous and complex stream of thought, a conglom- . . . conglomeration of memories in which what we have experienced in the past is constantly merging with our experience of the moment.\" I believe that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=415.29,434.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=434.19,438.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: \"Problem of time, which characterizes the work of so many contemporary writers, among them Joyce, Proust, Mann, Faulkner.\" Well, it mentions him, but it doesn't give us what we want.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=438.15,456.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah. Tomorrow I may just call the public library and have 'em lookinem up . . . look it up. They do that kind of thing for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=456.02,470.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah. She might have it right on the tip of her tongue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=470.27,475.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Um-hum. Let's go back to your optimism, 'cause so much of your writing is . . . is optimistic. For example, you said in . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=475.15,495.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=495.26,496.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . in The Unholy City, \"You should not judge the future by the immediate, miserable past.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=496.26,501.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum. [Sounds of pages turning.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=501.29,502.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: And that nice read about being an optimist in . . . and yet you . . . 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We were just poor--no car, no way of renting a house. Sometimes it was difficult to get new clothes, those kinds of things. [Lights a match. Appears to be smoking a pipe.] But we always ate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=528.2,547.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Well, your optimism doesn't have anything to do with money, anyhow. It's something else. 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A joy that . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=552.08,561.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=561.18,4161.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . may come from the unexpected.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4161.13,4164.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum. 'Course now that I'm old and sick and kind of on the way out, why, I'm not too optimistic . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4164.02,4178.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Huh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4178.09,4178.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: . . . about anything, particularly the future. But I have come up with a theory that I've been here forever and will be here forever, because you can't create anything. All you can do is change its form.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4178.1,4199.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4199.29,4200.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And for some reason I have been planted here on this ball of mud, and there's this string of uh living or spirit if you call it, that goes all the way back to the beginning of time. Can't do anything else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4200.28,4222.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4222.05,4224.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Can't be broken off. And if you have children, well, the same thing goes on that the life force that came through you is passed on to the children and keeps on one way or another. The reason for it I wouldn't attempt to fathom. Lot of philosophers have, but they haven't come up with much, in my estimation. But it's hard to conceive of it all as being uh just haphazard and happening through a mechanical process. You think like screaming out, \"There must be more! There must be! You just can't . . . . This can't be it--this brief appearance,” and then \"Thy hand, great Anarch! lets the curtain fall and universal darkness covers all.\" [Quotation from Alexander Pope's The Dunciad : “Thy hand, great Anarch! lets the curtain fall; And universal Darkness buries All.”]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4224.01,4297.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Do you take comfort in that philosophy? 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Just [they are talking over one another] [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4304.03,4304.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: But I find a certain amount of logic in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4304.18,4307.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4307.19,4308.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And I was trying . . . been trying, particularly the last few years, to find some logic in the fact that I'm here and that I came, and I'm going, and . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4308.25,4322.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I'm going to turn this off just a minute. 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I used to wonder when I first knew you, having read The Circus of Dr. Lao, how you were compatible with Catholicism, having also been Catholic myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4432.09,4458.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum. Well, I never had any uh particular trouble in . . . I don't know, in accepting a lot of the . . . . And I still don't. I think confession is good for the soul, and I don't go to church any more, but I see priests occasionally. 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Just the end of existence?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4511.28,4521.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Just peace or . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4521.12,4522.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah? Or are they aware of it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4522.23,4527.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Well, it differs from one person to another. You're pretty free to believe whatever you want to believe about it. But there's . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4527.27,4533.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4533.19,4534.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . no . . . no dogma, no elucidation at all. It's uh . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4534.06,4539.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4539.03,4540.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Some of them in fact don't even believe in the [laughingly] immortal soul. Um and I . . . I've found that to be one of the things . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4540.05,4548.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, you have to believe in the material continuity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4548.05,4551.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah, that's . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4551.18,4552.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Because what can you do with it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4552.15,4553.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . conservation of en- . . . energy and matter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4553.16,4556.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, you can burn something up, but you still . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4556.03,4558.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Um-hum, yeah, . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4558.02,4558.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: . . . have the ashes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4558.09,4558.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . that much is just a physical fact, . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4558.19,4560.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4560.18,4561.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . that phy- . . . \"physic\" in the sense of physics.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4561.26,4563.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, and if there's something beyond those physical facts, why, that's what I'd like to know, and presume we all find out some day. I don't know. Not even sure of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4563.29,4576.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Hah! [Clock ticks and dog barks somewhere.] I know that's why they don't proselitize. They, you know . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4576.02,4585.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4585.28,4586.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . what would they save you from? They don't believe in any damnation. They don't believe in original sin. Uh . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4586.2,4597.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, they wrote the New Testament. Don't they . . . . I mean, the Old Testament. 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Well, there again you're on grounds that you can't prove or disprove.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4647.23,4661.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4661.03,4664.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Or even like or dislike. 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[Finney draws on his pipe.] So I . . . I always was interested in you being Catholic. I fell out with the Catholics when I read The Ligourian, which was put out as a tract. As a tractus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4680.03,4702.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, right. 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That's what did me in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4718.2,4725.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: They put out one pamphlet about evangelists and said a few snide things about my great-grandfather. Made me sorer than hell, and so I wrote a letter to the author, finally got to him. Let's see, what did I ask him? My grandfather--great-grandfather, I mean, had had a revelation, which made him a, you know, born-again Christian. And I asked this Ligour- . . . uh redemptorist if his chances of going to Heaven were any less uh plausible or possible than those of St. Thomas Aquinas, for instance. He wrote back and said he's going to have to think about it for awhile before he could give me an answer. 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Did you read that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4815.14,4826.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4826.05,4826.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: He had treated many patients who had been lightning struck, and something does happen to the vini-. . . vision. 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Usually those phenomena do have some . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4852.14,4857.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4857.16,4857.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: . . . physical and uh acceptable bases to operate on. Uh but that thing of Eliot's. That was in \"The Wasteland,\" wasn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4857.2,4879.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: That's \"The Love Song of J. Alfred Prufrock.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4879.02,4881.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, J. Alfred Prufrock, yeah, that's another one. I'd forgotton. Prufrock. Well, it should be here. Maybe it's in the smaller book.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4881.0,4908.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: \"I grow old. I grow old. Shall I wear the bottoms of my \ntrousers . . .\" [Quotation: I grow old ... I grow old ...\n\nI shall wear the bottoms of my trousers rolled.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4908.23,4911.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4911.24,4912.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . \"rolled?\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4912.07,4914.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Walk about the beach. 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And Chopin.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4935.25,4948.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: It's either women walking to and fro or ”talking of Michelangelo”. Is that in Pru- . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4948.14,4954.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: \"The women come and go, talking of . . . .\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4954.24,4957.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=4957.04,4957.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . “Michael . . . .” Yeah, that's in the same one. It's the one about something \"Shall we go?\" [“Let us go and make our visit.”] \"The evening is laid out like a patient anesthetized on a table.\" [“When the evening is spread out against the sky\n\nLike a patient etherized upon a table.” And something about the yellow what is it? Is it the yellow evening or the yellow sign? 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Well, now I don't even know where to uh . . . what book to look for any more.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5024.28,5061.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Your great-grandfather was uh apparently admittedly a great evangelist. Do you think that there was some genetic flair for words that you picked up and . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5061.14,5074.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: I don't know. I don't know. Is there, or . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5074.24,5078.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I think there is. I think that's part . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5078.12,5080.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5080.04,5080.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . of the . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5080.06,5085.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Uh what's his name? Uh it's in the gray book. He calls him the greatest American evangelist, and that history of America by . . . I think that the author's an admiral or was, took to writing history. See, I can't . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5085.02,5111.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Which book is it? Show me and I'll . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5111.22,5114.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: It's on the top shelf, and I think it's that gray one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5114.03,5117.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5117.04,5119.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: What's that say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5119.13,5120.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: The Oxford uh History of the American People?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5120.12,5123.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah. Now if I can find it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5123.15,5130.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: You know, one day when I'm here I'm going to spend the whole day writing down quotes out of books I wanted to get. I'll just have to write to these people that commissioned the quote. [Sound of pages turning. Clock ticks.] Certain names kind of carry with them an implied personality, almost.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5130.21,5182.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5182.26,5183.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I insisted on calling Bruce \"Bruce\" instead of Michael. 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And some kids as I did, Danny's done the same thing with some kids, acquire such a version as well as your brother did too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5215.03,5235.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5235.18,5236.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Acquire their name. My first name is Dorris, and I . . . I just don't answer to it. 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Did it come from anybody in particular, . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5248.01,5254.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: No, . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5254.06,5254.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: . . . or you don't know, creative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5254.26,5255.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . no, no, grandmother grabbed it out of the air.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5255.01,5259.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5259.26,5261.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: When they uh . . . when she . . . they went to pick me up, she went to the door of my . . . my biological mother's room and asked if there was any name that she'd like to have the baby called, and she said, \"No, she's yours. You call her what you want.\" So they just came up with that. For some reason, there have been people here and in Cape Girardeau and in St. Louis who have known me well and insisted on calling me \"Ruth.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5261.23,5293.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5293.03,5294.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: And I never could quite figure that one out, [Finney laughs.] but I must have been a \"Ruth\" personality to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5294.04,5300.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, I w- . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5300.2,5300.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I even . . . I knew a woman well, and she moved away. I'd known her for years. She moved away. She went down south, and the first letter I got from her was addressed to Ruth Shulman [sp?].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5300.26,5311.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah? Why did she uh . . . did she just arbitrarily pick it some place or . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5311.13,5317.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/219","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: It's unconscious.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5317.06,5317.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/220","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: . . . didn't know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5317.13,5318.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/221","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: No, . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5318.03,5319.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/222","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5319.03,5319.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/223","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: It just is a response [Jet airplane flies over.] that I seem to elicit from people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5319.11,5326.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/224","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5326.09,5336.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/225","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I told you that I . . . I thought probably I missed a lot in your work, that I was too ignorant to appreciate. Were there other names that were puns . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5336.17,5345.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/226","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Uh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5345.27,5346.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/227","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . beside the Neptune-Na? 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I'm not sure if I was just being a smart aleck, because it didn't add anything to it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5349.0,5387.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/229","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: When you . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5387.0,5387.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/230","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, that Old China Hands, I used real names in that, and uh I suppose I sold the stories to The New Yorker first, you know, before we made a book out of it. They wanted to know if they were real names, and I said, \"Yes,\" so they changed them all . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5387.05,5409.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/231","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Hum!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5409.25,5410.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/232","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: . . . themselves and came up with pretty good ones, I thought:  Digby Hand and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5410.02,5417.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/233","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Hum!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5417.29,5418.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/234","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And uh . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5418.01,5422.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/235","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: So, well, I don't think there was anything in that that a real person would have objected to having . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5422.2,5426.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/236","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5426.25,5426.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: [They are talking over one another.][?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5426.26,5426.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/238","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, I didn't either. I didn't either, but they did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5426.26,5430.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/239","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: If I had been in the 15th Infantry and you had written about me, I would have been offended to have [laughingly] had my name removed. [Finney laughs.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5430.19,5438.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/240","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah. I . . . but you know, it's easier to work with a person using his real name than with a uh made-up name, because . . . I don't know why it is, but uh . . . .\n\n[End of file at","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5438.28,5457.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940/transcript/40208/annotation/241","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80161/file/167940#t=5457.2,1857.72"}]}]}]}