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First, just a couple of demographic questions, your name and title.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=0.0,15.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MONICA ORTIZ URIBE: Okay. My name is Monica or these would event. I am a reporter for the front desk desk, which is a public radio network that covers the southwest and the US Mexico border. We're headquartered in Phoenix, and I am their New Mexico, West Texas correspondent. But I also work across the border in the state of Chihuahua. And before this, I was a freelance Public Radio reporter. And I covered the violence since you love what is primarily.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=16.0,46.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And could you give us just a little bit of information about your educational background?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=47.0,52.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay. Sure. I mean, I was born and raised here in El Paso and educated here as well. I went to a medical magnet high school here in El Paso, thinking I would become an obstetrician. But once I got to college, I figured out No, that's not exactly what I want to do. And and so I went to the University of Texas at El Paso majored in history with a focus on the US make on the United States and Mexico. And, and that's it, then I started working.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=53.0,87.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So you've been in journalism, how many years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=88.0,90.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Let's see since 2006 678-910-1113 14. So eight years, my gosh, how time flies? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=91.0,103.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And sorry, I have to ask everybody this your age","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=104.0,106.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: 32.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=107.0,109.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And you primarily worked in radio?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=110.0,113.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, I started off my journalism career in print. I worked for the newspaper in Waco, Texas. And I worked there for two years and three months, before moving back to El Paso and starting as a freelance radio reporter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=114.0,131.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How did you get into radio? How did you make that switch?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=132.0,134.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=135.0,136.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I during college, I started writing for the college newspaper. And at the same time, started listening to NPR, listening to the news portion of the of NPR and really admiring their work, really liking the the medium of it feeling that I liked the intimacy of radio and just how different it was from print and from television. And, you know, what, you know, was partially the medium, but it was partially the quality of work. I felt they did good work. And I wanted to be part of an organization that I could feel proud of being a part of. And so I just kind of decided then I think I want to I think I want to work for those guys. But knowing that I needed a since I majored in history, I knew I needed a good solid journalism Foundation, which is why I decided to start in a newspaper. And then and then move on to, to radio.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=137.0,195.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And so at what point did you decide that, you know, after getting a degree in history that you wanted to go into journalism?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=196.0,203.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think right. Soon after I started writing for the paper, one of the things in college that I was struck by in college was my love of learning, I loved if I had a good professor, it didn't matter the subject, I fell in love with the the class and whatever it was that we were studying, whether it was biology, or art history, or economics or philosophy. I loved it all. And I didn't want to pick one single thing that I would have to study and do for the rest of my life. And so when I started writing for the paper, I realized, Hey, you know, I can talk to this department One day, the other department another day. And I figured that as a reporter, I could continue learning like I did in college and talk to all kinds of different people, all kinds of different backgrounds, all kinds of different subjects. And I love to do research. So I figured, hey, this is probably the the right career for me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=204.0,258.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=259.0,259.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: maybe we could start talking a little bit about your time. You still cover northern Mexico, but during the most intense violence recently in what is and what that was like.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=260.0,272.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, talk about POTUS. Gosh, well, it was, I guess I should, I should start by saying how I came into that in the first place. I spent two years in Waco, Texas away from my family. The first time I live ever lived on my own as a professional. And so I missed my family. I miss my hometown. And my although The air is the air interfering?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=273.0,302.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, but I mean it's nicer now with that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=303.0,304.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, okay, let me close. Let me close the door here. So we don't get noisy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=305.0,311.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I mean, you're it's just like in the background. Like really?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=312.0,315.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay. Okay. Radio purist here was a little Mr. Family. Oh, yeah, yeah. So I missed my family. I wanted to get a second job in a bigger market in a newspaper. But that was when the recession started. Nobody was hiring. And so I said, Well, I'll just move back to El Paso and hang out there, look for a job and and be with my family. And so it was right about that time that things started happening. And what is that? There were more murders, things, things that there was more instability there. And so right before moving back to El Paso, I had had some training in, in radio, I had bought my own equipment, and was just going to be playing around with it in the intermediate until I got a new job. And, and so before I knew it, the violence in Juarez really exploded. And there was nobody really around covering the violence on a national level, except for the one AP reporter that was based here in El Paso. And I decided, Well, I mean, I'm here I'm free. I'm a journalist. And I felt an obligation to to cover it. This was something that was happening in my backyard, in a city that I partially grown up going to, I knew the language, I knew the streets, I knew the culture I said, well, who who better who better to cover this and I'm and so I just started bit by bit wading into into into the city and covering what was going on till it just, it just became a full time, a full full time full time job to to cover it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=316.0,433.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And that was around what year","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=434.0,436.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I moved back in 2008, which was when the the first stirrings of violence began and what is and things didn't really, really get intense. till end of 2008, certainly in 2009. So that's when that's when that's when I dedicated all my time to, to working in quarters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=437.0,461.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And you started you were a freelancer at that time. Yeah. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=462.0,465.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: freelanced primarily for National Public Radio for Public Radio International, which is based out of Boston. For Roger we linguists and a show called Latino USA, which is also part of the NPR network.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=466.0,483.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What kinds of stories were you covering? I mean, that maybe sounds obvious, but maybe talk about like, what sticks in your mind the most of what you're covering?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=484.0,492.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Gosh, well, it was really a day to day thing. It was almost like I started off as a cops reporter in Waco and carried around a little police blotter everywhere I went. And it was almost like a continuation of a larger scale. Cops reporting beat in that I was reporting on things that happened on a day to day. And there was I remember, in in 2010, was the the year when the heaviest violence happened in quadras. And so it was just one thing after another, sadly, one massacre after another one mass killing after another one high profile killing after another. And so I found myself even having difficulty keeping up with those. And in between, in between the bigger events. I would just cover what it was like the impact of the violence what it was like to live in that kind of situation. For the people who lived in what is on a day to day basis. Yep, so I would report on Yeah, there what what what is what what are their lives like?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=493.0,565.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And how, how was the city? I mean, dealing with that, you know, how did you were those some of the stories that you that you covered? You know, people I assume were just trying to get on with their their daily lives, but that couldn't really happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=566.0,582.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Right, right. Well, there was certainly a time there when people shut themselves away from the city that the level of terror was so much that people thought we don't want to we don't even want to want to go outside anymore. We don't Don't want to go outdoors, we don't want to expose ourselves. So we're gonna cloister ourselves in our homes. And that's where we're going to stay. Because the second we go, we step outside, we don't know if we're gonna come back. And and so that became something very prominent in the lives of everyday what is where you would go after a certain hour of day, maybe when the sun came down, the streets were empty, businesses started to shut down, and businesses started to shut down. And there was no Life on the Street. It was like a dead city after five 6pm. And people did that for for the longest time. And it really hurt the economy of the city and it hurt the soul of the city, people from El Paso stopped going to what is when before like, I grew up the same way we would go over on a Sunday afternoon, we'd go and shop at the malls, we'd go and have dinner or lunch at one of the restaurants. And it was a blast. And people stopped doing that. And so they changed people stop change the way they they functioned in life. One of the more striking things that made it hard to be a reporter and was was people stopped answering their phones, because they were there was a lot of extortion going on whether you were a business or whether you were minding your own business at home At home, you would get a call from a stranger. And or you'd get you'd get a strange number would come up on your caller ID and people would not answer because what was happening was, yep, strangers were calling and, and, and threatening people over the phone saying, We're Demet we're so and so with such and such gang or such and such group or they would even claim to be part of the cartel, even though they may or may not have been most of them weren't. And demanding money and saying if you don't pay, we're either going to torture your business, or we're going to kill your family, or do something really, really terrible. And so, people the word got around, people stopped answering their phones. And so as a reporter when you're trying to get ahold of people, obviously they're you're not going to be in their context so they wouldn't answer and and that was that was problematic, but also very, very telling of just how fearful people were and how personalized that the the violence began. became that even in your own home, you felt threatened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=583.0,760.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So So how did you you know, continue to cover stories, they're given the level of violence and your own personal safety and how did you deal with that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=761.0,771.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: As far as my own personal safety, you know, luckily, I was never ever threatened. Personally, I never witnessed anything firsthand like like a killing or a shooting or I was never targeted in any way, which I think helped because had I been I don't know if I had I would be able to I would have been able to continue reporting and what is probably my my hunches I probably would have stopped so thank goodness I was never in any kind of close call situation never threatened personally again, or, or targeted or seen anything. But still, every time I would cross over there was this tremendous tension that I would carry from the second I crossed over I mean, I would remember as I'm driving into what is my family's Catholic and so I would carry the the Catholic superstition where you cross yourself you do the sign of the cross over year over year you do the sign of the cross as a way to as a protection and so I would do that like three times right when when I'm turning into the bridge to go to what is once I pass the Welcome to Mexico sign and then once I was in the city, just you know you didn't know what to do to stay safe. And and a little superstition sometimes brought a tiny bit of comfort. I would make sure somebody knew where I was all the time I have a I have a friend that's very, very reliable and very dependable. very precise. And I would tell her everywhere I would go I'm going to meet with such and such these these people. I'd give her times I'd give her names. I'd give her addresses if possible phone numbers, and I would check in with her every two hours. And we just had a system and that if if I didn't call her after two hours, she didn't hear from To me, then there were steps that she would she would take. Luckily, we never had to take any of those additional steps. But I mean, that was all I could do. just common sense stuff, really, I was always aware of who was driving behind me, driving in front of me on the side, just looking behind my shoulder all the time. And being constantly aware of my surroundings. I'm not really knowing what I was looking for, but just anything funny. Just, I would pay attention to it. That's basically how you how you got around. And you would realize just how much tension I was carrying, because the second, I would cross back into El Paso, I just felt this wave of relief rush over me. And I could see Wow, I was I was pretty anxious. Back there. And it was that was the one thing that I think was really the the saving point for journalists who live in El Paso. The few of us that crossed the hottest was that we could always come back home to to El Paso, and it was another world here. It was peaceful here. You could there there's security here, you could trust that you'd go home at night and be okay. And I think that's very, that's what really made the bigger difference between, say, Austin and a true war correspondent, where you don't have that option to go to a safe place at night. And that was the saving grace that I think what helped, at least for me, keep my sanity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=772.0,995.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Did you make sure that you crossed over the bridge before it got dark? That's one of the things","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=996.0,1001.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: usually not always, but usually, yes, just for I mean, the the killings and the violence happened at all times of day all over the city. There wasn't one spot or one time of day, it was happening all the time. So really, it wasn't it wasn't I mean, it really didn't matter. But certainly it felt scary or at at night. Yes, I would definitely try to be home before dark.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1002.0,1026.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: We've heard from other reporters that they sometimes would go together in groups, not large groups, per se, but in groups as sort of like an added protection. Did you do that as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1027.0,1040.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes, yes. But actually, those were the those were less frequent. That happened less frequently than I probably would have liked. Because I mean, well, first of all, there were only four of us, during the height of the violence for American reporters that were covering what is on a regular basis. And we were all women. One was a television reporter, myself, I was the radio reporter and two print reporters, the AP reporter, and a reporter at the El Paso times. That was it. And so I mean, the four of us would would have our own way we'd catch each other out in the field all the time. But we had our own ways of working because we work for different mediums, different outlets. And so it wasn't often that we could all work together. Sometimes we when we could we absolutely did. But most of the time, it was just me and my Corolla and my cell phone out there and crossing my fingers. That was that most of the time. But yeah, there is safety in numbers. And when we could we did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1041.0,1115.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And you just brought up that you were all women. Do you think that that was a different? Or if you do think it's different? How so for somebody covering one is it in, in the midst of violence?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1116.0,1132.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes, yes. And no, of course there there are multiple ways to look at it. I think the fact that we were all that we were that all four of us were women was purely coincidental. But as a woman covering the violence in one in some respects, I felt safer. In others I did not. I felt safer in that I felt less I felt that I was considered less of a threat when I showed up to whatever it was, whatever interview or whatever situation. And so whether or not that's that's true or not, who knows, but that's what I felt. I felt the Oh the gentler sex is showing up and Oh, she's not you know, she's not a threat and Oh, she just wants to talk and yeah, yeah. So that that that in a in a way, made me feel a little safer, but at the same time, it also made me feel more vulnerable thinking that Oh, because she's a woman. She'll maybe put up less of a fight or, or we can probably if we want to if we want to get at her, we can we can Easily overpower her if we're talking about a group of men or sicarios, or whatever, thugs, robbers so in that sense that made me feel unsafe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1133.0,1213.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1214.0,1215.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: yeah, and there were also a lot of women that were going disappeared. And although it was a, sadly, it was a certain, a certain kind of woman with a certain kind of background and look that I didn't quite fit. That didn't make me think I would end up having the same fate. But it's still it's still kind of there was a How would you say? I guess it, Carol, I don't know. I don't know if carelessness is is is the right word. But all I can say is kind of a disrespect would be would be one word. But I think in some respects, the life of a woman was not not taken with the greatest value or respect. And that that always worried me. Not so much for myself. But the women that that lived in water said did not have the option of coming back to El Paso.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1216.0,1279.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So yeah. And you covered that. And you've been? It's still is that still an issue?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1280.0,1286.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Absolutely. Here. Yeah, out of all the stories I covered. That's the story. That hit me the hardest. That's the story that I felt was the most important that that that hurt. to, to cover. As, as most people, most people are familiar with the murders that happened in what is starting in 1994. In the 1990s, the horrific murder of hundreds of women. When I started working in hospice around 2008, it wasn't so much the murders of women, it was the disappearance of women, young women with the same characteristics as the murdered women had had very, very young, pretty brown shoulder length hair. And that lived in the more marginalized parts of the city and who mainly got around by bus, they were either going to work or to school, and just out of the blue one day, they would disappear, they would vanish and not come home and their families had no clue it was as the it was almost as if the they would use this, the mothers and the families would use this expression all the time is como si si la strabo la tierra as if the earth had swallowed them up without a trace. And, and so that was the thing that that that really that that was the hardest thing to cover. Because in the meantime, all of these killings were going on the drug violence was wild, and everyone was paying attention to that. And it was taking precedence over these women that were disappearing. And so I mean the the the the police the authorities, the activists were very much preoccupied with the overall general violence that the disappearance of these women was not high on the on the radar but who I spent a lot of time with their families and saw firsthand just how devastating This was and that how frustrating it was to not have any answers. Just imagine a family member a young promising girl disappearing and you having no clue and you feeling so helpless as to you want to help them you don't know if they're out there. You don't know if they're in pain if they're suffering. And, and you can't do very much to to help them or to look for them. They tried certainly. But I don't think any of them have been found so far. Terrible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1287.0,1453.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And so covering those kinds of stories, it's probably had an impact on you. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1454.0,1460.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: yeah. Yeah. I mean, I remember in college when I first started looking into the the murders of the women, I mean, I was what 19 I'd lived in, in in El Paso all my life had a wonderful loving family life and every opportunity ahead of me in terms of career and family and travel and, and for the first time I had seen the lives of other young women my age that live that had a completely different life scenario. And that I remember how Hard that hit me how much it just hit me like a like a ton of bricks to know that Gosh, not everyone has this wonderful happy life and, and all these opportunities ahead of them. And, and I just I mean, yeah, I remember one one night, I put together a with with the help of two other friends a big conference at my university to talk about the murders, we had a we had a conference, we had a movie screening, we had a play, we did it in conjunction with Eve as unschoolers visit to the border, and it was just a subject and consumed me every day. And I just remember one night coming home and and just sobbing, sobbing sobbing sobbing like I had never solved before. And because it was carrying all these stories and knowing what what human beings were capable of doing to other human beings, and at such a young age, I hadn't really ever had to think about that or deal with that. And so I remember that night very distinctively. And since then, it's been it's it's difficult sometimes just to watch movies that are that are very violent, especially violent towards women. It's difficult to read fiction, where there's violence toward toward women, I I can't I can't really stomach it. Because I know that it happens in real life. And, and that's pretty much to the extent of it. Personally, in terms of a personal emotional impact. I don't consider I ever had any kind of trauma or any other trauma beyond to to my own personal emotional well being. But when it comes to that subject, I think that's as close to to any kind of traumatic effects that I may have, that I may carry around. Other than that, I'm thankfully I've I think I'm I think I've dealt with it. Pretty, pretty. Okay. And like I said, coming back to El Paso every night to a safe place. Certainly certainly helped.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1461.0,1641.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Do you do anything specifically to sort of deal with, you know, the emotional impact of of some of these things? Like, do you seek support through groups or informal groups or anything like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1642.0,1656.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that? No, no, not really, I've never felt the need to, I've been very lucky, like I said, to come back to El Paso where I have a very loving and supporting family, a great group of friends, other journalists that have covered this, that we talk about it on a regular basis. So I think all of that has happened naturally. And if anything, I mean, covering cuantas, rather than than damaging me, on the contrary, it's actually made me more grateful of what I do have. And so actually, I mean, like little little kinds of problems that maybe people might be frustrated with or ruin people's day normally. Don't do that for me, because I'm I'm always thankful and grateful for what I do have the opportunities that I do have, that I live in a country where, where I can feel safe and secure. And I can pursue my dreams and go out with my friends and my and have my family with me that, you know, any kind of little problems. I mean, I can I can get over them that I know I know how bad it can get. And I know how difficult other people's lives are. So I guess I have less excuses to complain. And so yeah, I guess yeah, rather than trauma. It's it's just Yeah, I don't know how to put it into words. But I mean, I recognize that I have a very happy that I'm very lucky. And I have a very happy life and I should never ever take it for granted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1657.0,1755.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1756.0,1757.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: sort of moving on like fast forwarding, forwarding a little bit to today, covering what is is it different and how?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1758.0,1766.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. That tension that I talked about earlier that I carried over when I when I went to what is that's gone. I no longer have to worry about looking over my shoulder when I go over there that can be very exhausting. It really was exhausting to just always be constantly aware of where you were, who was your surroundings, calling in to my friend and telling her where I was and what I was doing. It's very liberating now to go to hotest and not have to worry about that as much. There are some Still killings that are happening, they're still bad things that happen in waters. But it is not to the degree that it was back in 2010. Same. And I think I said earlier that there was a time when people in water shut themselves out from the rest of the city that got tiring to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1767.0,1820.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: do. And,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1821.0,1822.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and at us at a certain point, people said, You know what, we can't live like this, we can't shut ourselves away from the world. And what kind of a life is that? So I think collectively, the city decided to say that the hell with that, we're gonna go out, we're going to go live our lives and come what may, we're going to deal with it. And businesses starting started opening back up. There were our long waits to get into a club in the prone off zone. And, and at that time, the violence also started diminishing. So all these things were happening at the same time. And I remember going to a concert and outdoor concert for fun, for the first time in like, three, four years. And again, the feeling and I can I can describe it as liberating it felt wonderful to be in what is outdoors listening to music and not being there to cover a murder. And, and so I've been doing that more and more now. And what can I say? It's a It's a great feeling. It's a great feeling to see what is out and about opening new restaurants, opening new businesses and and so yeah, it still has troubles. And I cover that from time to time, but it hasn't, it isn't it hasn't consumed my my career, my working life, as it did back then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1823.0,1907.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So what are some of the stories or, you know, just sort of more broadly, in terms of your reporting on northern Mexico? Is there a certain approach or certain things that you wanted to tell people about northern Mexico that maybe that you bring to the table that maybe somebody else? Does it certain questions that you have, you know, like, in the not stores that are story specific per se, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1908.0,1940.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that's a big question. We'll ask it again, please. Yeah, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1941.0,1948.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: know, it's a question. So just given your sort of background, your perspective, what do you what do you think that you bring to reporting in northern Mexico?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1949.0,1959.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, okay. Well, um, one of the things is, and my my colleague will will say this, as well is my my American passport, I feel kind of guilty saying it, but in the sense that you have that confidence, it gives you a certain degree of confidence to go in, report, maybe on heavy hitting subjects, and, and come back and know that you have the support of an of an American news organization and an American government that should you get into trouble, will hopefully back you up. A lot of journalists on the Mexican side do not have that. And so, some of them show tremendous courage and tremendous confidence despite that, but that's more of an advantage. I mean, I'm, I think what I was able to do, in the years of the heaviest violence was a slice of life stories, where I where I could read when I would really go in and show what the impact of the violence was having on people's lives and give give a give a voice to two people in terms of what they were what they were experiencing and share that with people on this side there were like I said, there were very few reporters that would go into Juarez and really talk to people tell me how this is impacting your life and let me share it with people from the other side from from the other side of the border. And be because it was very it was very easy in to to use the border as a line of separation. Oh, that's happening in Mexico. Thank God we don't live there. We're all right here so we'll let Mexico figure out their their own problems and we'll stay here and and and ignoring the fact that it's a two way street that this violence is directly related to our consumption of drugs on this side of the border every time you light up. You know, the kid that that buys from, from the dealer that gets their product from Mexico every time they light up a joint it's like they're they're they're fueling the money that contributes to the violence. In Mexico, and that I did not want to be lost on our readers, our listeners or viewers on this side of the border, say you don't, don't sit so comfortably in your kit and in your chair on the American side. Because we have something we have a responsibility with what's happening in Mexico and hear how people's lives are being impacted. That's what I hope I brought to the I contributed with my coverage. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=1960.0,2131.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: being a radio reporter, you don't have a camera, which can be intimidating, but you can capture sound, which adds another dimension that you know, text doesn't do you think, how do you think that helps to contribute to greater understanding about what's going on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=2132.0,2151.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I did have a camera and I did shoot a lot of pretty pictures that I now look at that make me go whoa. But certainly, of course, with radio, you have the you have the the the spoken. The spoken word, you can't hear people's emotion when you read their quotes on a piece of paper. But you certainly can in radio, I mean, the tougher interviews, you could hear the the pain in their voices, sometimes people would would cry, sometimes there would be pauses, that would be more telling than anything they ever said. Yeah, yeah. So you can hear it's basically it comes down to you can hear the emotion in their voice. And it's very, very, very powerful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=2152.0,2200.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah. So do you think that in terms of how an audience receives the information or digest the information, they have a better understanding through that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=2201.0,2211.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, it certainly like I said at the beginning, it offers a level of intimacy that isn't available in other news medium. In with, with television, although you get really literally the full picture of it. There is a line of separation that it creates between you may be sitting in your living room, and whatever you're seeing behind the screen, oh, that's them happening over there. And this is me and my nice cozy living room. Whereas with the radio, that third wall is not there, you hear the voices and the sounds coming at you, you don't see them. And it's almost as if they're talking directly to you, you have to forces you to use your imagination. And you have to maybe picture the people the face, or the the place. And I think it hits in a spot much deeper inside of you. And it resonates much more strongly. And therefore I think it has a stronger, it has a stronger impact on you maybe causes you to listen a little more intently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=2212.0,2285.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Where do you see things going with your reporting and reporting the border?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=2286.0,2293.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, ironically, now that things are getting better in what as I go less to report and more to have margaritas. And yeah, I mean, if I were if I were assigned to cover Mexico, if Mexico were the own were my only beat certainly I'd be reporting on other subjects, including the the judicial system, that judicial reform, which I think goes hand in hand with whether or not Mexico will be able to overcome another wave of violence and doing things in, in politics and in the economy. But since I don't Mexico isn't the only beat I cover now. I'm no longer a freelance reporter. I'm also responsible for covering New Mexico in West Texas. And really that's where my focus has been on completely different I'm reporting on on water issues water scarcity, a lot in in New Mexico. Well, it's part of the Southwest. I mean, northern Mexico is also experiencing the same water shortages as we are so nothing having to do with the the violence or the or the internal affairs of Mexico. I would love to do it. But it's it's not on my network's radar for now. I do still go back to what is and report on how things are doing. But not as much as I did before.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=2294.0,2386.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What would you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=2387.0,2389.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980/transcript/22457/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: are their limit and well, you kind of touched on that like limitations or certain stories, thinking about the height of the violence that were there any stories that you Network said, Now we don't want that it's too depressing or we want that because it's,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/35700/file/104980#t=2390.0,2392.0"}]}]}]}