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Warren, we were talking about how you first got to Tucson and who you were working for and why you came here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=2.0,14.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, a number of years before I ever hooked up, or ever dreamed of hooking up with the University of Arizona? Why? I had a client in Santa Monica and Malibu that had property on the coast, and he decided to buy a piece of what now is double Cree. Oh yeah, and develop Eden rock gardens on Albertan, yeah. Well, and the double Cree, the double big high rise stuff, was there just a one story, kind of nicely done residential type affair. And so he got intrigued with the desert, and so he would have me come over and we did a little landscaping. And of course, he wanted to look like Santa Monica, right? And so that may be where I ran into Ralph the first time. Maybe product project, which was just out to bed. You know, the whole mall was totally different from what it is now. I think probably the only plants that that are still there, that we had anything to do with was some Brazilian peppers, which are along the road frontage, and we used to use an example of what Brazilian peppered looked like when they got big. You somehow they survived the freezes of those years that wasn't in the heat island it is now. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=15.0,111.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: this is the Park Mall, yeah, let me ask you about Mary Rose Duffield, now, you two have collaborated on, most especially plants for dry climates, and she was a student of yours. Is that right? Mary Rose","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=112.0,131.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: came back to school. She already had a degree when her kids were sort of in teens, and they she had a little more time on her hands, and she somehow, I think guy green probably influenced her into going to Landscape Architecture, for which she thanks him very much. And so she was going through the curriculum in landscape architecture and one of the things we required was a notebook, which had to have photos of all the different plants that we gave them. And she did an absolutely bang up job on her notebook, and we graded it, and the notebooks were in a stack we picked up, and someone stole her notebook, really. And, you know, we just felt terrible, and she felt bad too, of course. And then she said, You know what? I'm going to do it again, and let's see if we can't get it published. Oh, and so I said, Okay, I'll go along with you on that. And we talked to the University of Arizona publishing press, and they were interested in just doing it like the notebook format. And then one night, I went to a party, and one of the people there said, Oh, I've been looking for you. And he was a publisher of eight feet books, oh, and he said, and then one of the people that I was in the panel, the sunset panel in LA had told him that he should look me up for over here, because he wanted to do a book on what people found growing here and what they had to do to maintain it. Yeah, and that's how we had that cross planning of things that that take a lot of water, but do okay. And so he contacted me, and I said, Well, I'm working on something with one of my students, and he said, Well, let's take a look at it. And he said, change the format completely. And it's very lucky thing for us that we made contact with him, because he knew what to put together. And I hardly say that there's no use for writing unless you have a good publisher. Yeah, and he knew what would sell and how it was needed and how to put it together. And of course, he'd been publishing of Miss emeritus Conway before he came here for his wife's help. And of course, I have a great deal. Little to thank him for. When Charlie Sakamoto and I started putting together landscape plants, why he really went out in the limb for us","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=132.0,311.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and you went back to the same person? Yeah. Well, what","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=312.0,314.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: happened? He sold eight feet books to some publisher in LA price Sloan Stern, or something like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=315.0,323.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that. Price stern Sloan, right? And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=324.0,328.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: which was, they were very helpful, and they they let us put in a supplement. They wouldn't let us redo the whole thing, because there's so many new plants coming into the right deal, and Fisher had agreed to stay out of the publishing business for a certain length of time. And then so the book plastered rytime was continued to be available in selling him. And then finally, they sold out everything they had an HP Books to Berkley publishing company back in New Jersey. Oh","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=329.0,361.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: my god. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=362.0,362.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: yeah, so they, so they were letting plants, right? Thomas, rather, yeah, sort of. And so Mary Rose wrote, called him up, or wrote him and said, if you're not going to do anything with the with that, can we have them back, have it back? And so they said, Sure. And so we got it back and put a new cover on it. And it was back in business, though.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=363.0,389.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So that was the third the third edition was published again by Fisher books, yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=390.0,395.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So then, you know, the fourth edition was with a real complete redo with Fisher. And unfortunately, Bill Fisher","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=396.0,405.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: has passed away. Yeah, he was a good guy. So anyway,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=406.0,410.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and the meantime, Fisher has sold out to Perseus back in Boston, and so far, they've been very cooperative, but I'm afraid that we won't get much attention.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=411.0,423.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, you know, it doesn't much for that book. It really isn't the publishers advertising. It's word of mouth and the need. It's a it's a need based thing. It's not really promotion. It's really all of us just pass it around and share it with with people. And as more and more folks move here, they're going to need it whether or not Perseus is on the ball or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=424.0,444.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, see, Perseus bought Fisher out because they had a couple of books on there were really best sellers on pregnancy. Oh, so and so, of course, everything else goes along with her. And so you're just, yeah, and we're a regional thing. And pregnancy, obviously is not regional,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=445.0,465.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: right? So, but I think it'll continue to sell. Your grandchildren will still be managing the sales of that that was, that's something that you can really be proud of, because that will just always, always be and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=466.0,479.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you know long about that plants were landscape plants for dry region. Charlie Sakamoto, who's the Extension Horticulturist for U of A at the time, and I had been working on the plants we that I had collected in the hatch project. And the hatch project is responsible for a lot of the plants that are now in the U of A arboreal and so he and I finished the way it was, and we took it into Fisher and he said, you know, this has got to be all in color. And right now, that's it's too expensive, because colors could get cheaper and better. Let's put it on the shelf for a couple of years. And then, in the meantime, my Charlie retired to Puerto Vallarta. And then when Bill said, Let's go everything now everything is colors, real good and less expensive. Way, we had a whole bunch. We had about 300 plants in the first edition. And when we went back to it, we had the ones we had to add that were had become common and useful. Were about 300 more. So the last part, Charlie did a lot of the writing from down there and came up and but it was sort of a big project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=480.0,570.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, it certainly got bigger and then you were separated. So it was probably more difficult. It was,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=571.0,576.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: it was, you know, he came up and I went down there. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=577.0,580.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: now where the plants that got added things that you had ultimately some responsibility for introducing. I mean, they just, they had been sort of obscure, and now they were being more,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=581.0,592.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: my theory and Charlie agreed, was that plants are you? Go in fashions of people, and then they go to some other group of plants. And but the first group still has its its value and should be forgotten. And so we but we limited to plants that could stand drought, which plants were dry climates covers the bouquet of what you see out there. And where landscape plants is strictly things that will sand the heat in the desert.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=593.0,633.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, and and in landscape plants for dry regions, the second one there it is certainly is broader. But what is interesting to me is that it also includes plants that will take dry regions, but they may be on the seashore, so in other words, salt tolerant plants as well, which I think we could all make use of. Here is our water quality. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=634.0,656.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that's right, drops.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=657.0,659.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, Warren, let's get back here to the University. Let me show you some photos from the Phyllis ball book. And this book is called a photographic history of the University of Arizona, and it was published in 1985 for the centennial of the U of A and what I've done is chosen some photos that start about mid 60s, late 60s, about the time you got here. And so we'll just look at these, and I'll describe the number, I'll tell the page, and see if you can tell me what's going on. If there's anything that strikes you about the way things look in those photographs. And also, maybe you'll be able to tell me if you had anything to do with changing what's there. So this one is on is photograph number 646, and it's dated 1967 and that's probably about the time you came.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=660.0,720.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, it looks like I remember it. I don't know if there's anything I could really comment on. Of course, at that time they had long all the way through. We wasn't just and the mall was seated in the fall to winter rye or whatever greener than green, yeah, and but there was a lawn was maintained around through the whole campus","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=721.0,744.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: continually. Yeah, now the Student Union is sort of cut off here, and there's another building called the Women's building right here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=745.0,753.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I remember there were some fantastic cycads, oh yeah, out in front of which were salvaged. I don't know where they ended up, but that was a thing of concern when they and those tall palms are still over there somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=754.0,769.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, the slackheads were in front of the Gallagher theater for a while when the student union was expanded in the 60s, I guess, or 70s, but in this most recent expansion and change of the Student Union, I think the cycads got moved to other sites on campus, and one place is over near the fish pond. Oh, really, yeah, some of them have ended up over there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=770.0,791.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: There was a cycad over there right now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=792.0,793.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: There are more, yeah, okay, let's see. Another picture is, oops. Um,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=794.0,809.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: picture 669, and I'm not sure what this is, but this is the office of arid land studies. It was taken and it's apparently on speedway. I don't remember that at all. Don't remember that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=810.0,827.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: no one. I didn't have much to do with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=828.0,830.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, let's go on to then. Oh, here's picture number 710, it's taken in 1973 and this is the backside of the agriculture building after they took off the greenhouses. 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You know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=938.0,939.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the pomegranates were over there, yeah, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=940.0,942.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: here's Pampas grass or something in this picture, yeah, could have been, yeah. It looks very lush,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=943.0,949.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: yeah. It was very well to me. It looked like they were growing things they brought from where they came from. And because there was a forsythia around, oh, north side, and there was the campus radicand,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=950.0,967.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: right? That actually thrived. Yeah, it is still there, is it? Yeah, there are some vines that did really well. I've seen another old picture, and I can't think where, where a lot of these railings were just draped in vines at some stage of history, very not, not every side, probably, but sometimes they were just thick with ivy or,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=968.0,991.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well, of course, the no respectful university Could, could exist without Boston. IV, yeah, it was Boston, Iowa there. But at one point later, we had the Baja red and taken on on the corner, but the painters kept having to take it down to paint.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=992.0,1013.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, now there's mascagna that's doing really, really","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1014.0,1017.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well. Well, now that one was there before I came, no kidding, on the east side. And I think that Steve Fazio may have had some not asking about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1018.0,1029.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I will ask him about it. Well, you know, there is going to be a redo of the landscape around Old Main first old need to be some repairs to the building. And then there'll be a kind of a redesign to maybe authenticate it more, or give it more of a sense of royalty, because it's such an important building. And everybody agrees that what's there now is a little bit of a mishmash from past eras and experiments and that didn't work, and things that are getting too old. 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The construction has forced a lot of the rest of the landscape to take a beating while students walked everywhere and things were fenced off. Let's go on to another photo. And this one is, what is this? This is number 770 and what it is is the architecture building. And on top of it, it's dated 1979 but what they're bragging about in here shows a solar collector and some some sort of alternative energy things on top of that building, it's still surrounded by the olive trees that are there now. But do you remember anything about that? It looks as if it was a grant from the. The Arizona Solar Energy Commission.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1148.0,1202.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, the thing that I remember first, it was an open courtyard in the center. It didn't have any roof on it, and it was a very nice planting of brick, and it had cycads and things like that. 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Now, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1226.0,1228.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: but it's an interior room lighted from skylights above, so it gives the atrium feeling. Yeah. I of course, the olive trees, I remember been talking about the fellow that had planted all the olive trees, and he was still marching in parades and so forth. Robert Forbes, yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1229.0,1255.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: He really had a strong link with the Historical Society, and a lot of his records, and I guess his notes and things are there at that mirror collection. This last picture is the crooks garden. 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Yes, it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1316.0,1319.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Everybody in town was involved in that. Okay, okay, well, that's the questions I had about the book. As things go go on and new buildings get made, it seems as if there's less and less lawn, but we're coming sort of to the end of the questions that I had. Is there anything else that you want to say about what you consider to be important about the U of A campus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1320.0,1355.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, it certainly represented an ideal opportunity to test things under urban conditions. And that was, you know, when they're collecting desert plants that used to suspect as good landscape use to have, even though I was very much hat in hand a lot of the time about getting spaces it was ideal for us to test. And so it's it was a great opportunity. And then the hatch project, hatch program, certainly was very supporting it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1356.0,1397.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And all those trees, some of them failed, no doubt, but there are so many that succeeded, and they are sometimes a little crowded in their sights, but they've managed to take advantage of these little warm microclimates. 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Bill Kinison was important on the U of A campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1477.0,1489.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Bill Kinison was a graduate of the U of A and he was at the central Arizona College in terms. Charge of teaching horticulture related subjects and doing some planning. And central Arizona College is a unique campus in which it starts in a rocky mountainside and grades down to a agricultural field, and so you have a little of everything. And Bill and I started collecting, going on collection trips together. I'm not quite sure how we hooked up, but we had some wonderful trips. And one of the things that that I really remember with him, and I tried to call him today to see if there's an agave brachiosa, which is a very attractive little agave. It has no sharp points or anything. It has arching. You can look it up in landscaped lens if you want. And it's, according to the literature, it has a white flower. But Bill and I were coming between Saltillo and Monterey, Mexico, and there was a little National Park on there where there's a cavern, limestone cavern, and we went off the road and and took the is a tram that takes you up there to the entrance. And we saw these plants up on the ledge. They and they thought they looked like a gobbies. I mean, they, but they the flower we swear was as orange as a aloe, really. And yet, the literature says that brachiosa has white flowers, and the hangar garden, of course, has pictures of it, but Bill and I still and the ones that we collected 25 years ago have not bloomed yet. 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And I called his star, Greg star, and he has some of our he grew something he wasn't on that trip, but he has not seen any blooms on that particular collection. And Greg Starr was also went on many to collect the trips. Yeah, carrying on what through Ron gas right now it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1623.0,1657.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: should be mentioned. And Greg is very interested in agaves and and because the University of Arizona press originally published that agaves gentries, agave book, I was thinking that maybe the U of A press would would be interested in maybe sponsoring a garden that had agaves that, you know, would highlight gentry's work and some of our botanists work, that would be a good place for things like that on the campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1658.0,1690.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I'll show you the fact. I'll give you a start of this. Oh, great. 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What can we do? Okay, what else? Anything else?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1704.0,1708.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, Bill Kennison and I were went to, down to Mexico on a series of trips, and collecting in Mexico then was much simpler. Now you have to to get a paper and so forth, and everybody is a little bit nervous about it's harder now, yeah, but Bill and I would collect and then the night before we took the flight back, we'd go fly to Nogales, because we had a very understanding plant inspector there that wasn't just hard notice, so he was interested in what we're working on, and so we but we had to bare root all the little seedlings and things like that, and put them in plastic bags. So we usually spent the night before we left washing things out, and as we called, we left a number of motel room wash basins plugged up with mud.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1709.0,1769.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Warren, Oh, that's great. Well, things have changed in Mexico, and it is harder to get permission to collect and everyone says that. Well, Greg.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1770.0,1781.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: He said, Well, the reason Ron and he had not gone much was because of the complication. And he said, I, I would. I told Ron that that he could walk across the bar, drive across the bar with a van, and I'd walk across my pockets full of seeds if. Of course, Ron, being in a big business, he couldn't take any risk at all. No, I know so. But I also kidded Greg in we went to wait, wait,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865#t=1782.0,1813.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243865/transcript/68344/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: wait. Or Warren, this is going to end here just one second. We're going to turn this tape over. 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And so I was I met him, and we were walking to the building, and Greg was outside somewhere, and we went around the corner, and there was Greg getting cuttings of the window.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=5.0,47.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It probably, he probably didn't ask either did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=48.0,52.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It was my first acquaintance with Jimmy dipkin. I didn't know later he'd be over,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=53.0,58.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that's right. And he he worked here at the University of Arizona as the horticulture specialist after Charlie sakamano retired,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=59.0,65.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: yeah, he was very interested in all these things carried on. For instance, the we isolated a film no leukopillas that say evergreen unless there's a hard freeze, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=66.0,84.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that is on campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=85.0,85.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, it is. And so that came from one of those crooks down, really in between Chihuahua and new I really own, probably about on the line of the two. But when we first saw the plant down in a very hot, dry, wash, and here was the thing that was so dark green, it looked like a polar carpus. And we went over, and that was it. And it was winter, well, it was summer, but it was spring, you know. But the fact that it looks so green in such an arid, hot situation really caught our attention. And the broadleaf Donia that is growing that came from that same Oh, and so did yellow","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=86.0,141.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Mexican Primrose. That's all the Saltillo primorse. The Saltillo Primrose","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=142.0,148.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: used to be called Bob Primrose, but it turned out it came from over and it's, it's, I can't stub be our anyway. Stubia, yeah, yeah, and that turned out to be but we grew. Sometimes we'd pick up some things that we didn't expect to mount anything, but we're curious, and we got where we put them, and then all of a sudden, here with this plant, gloriously, and that was a case with a material stubia. And we'd been both to to Baja California and to Chihuahua that same year. And we thought that it was among some stuff we picked up in Baja California. So I see for a number of years it was called the Baja Primrose. And of course, in some Primrose person in the University of St Louis anyway, said, No, that's not then, oh, species, and he named it Oh, and it was. And then we remembered where we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=149.0,218.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: had, you'd gotten it in the Chihuahuan, yeah, that kind of thing. Well, that's just the just points to record keeping, yeah, and, boy, it's tough","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=219.0,233.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: back with a whole bunch of stuff. You know, you got to get take care and get it under the mister, right, right, the same way with daily occur Gi, that was also from the Toronto desert, and I think that case why it was Bill Kenneth and I went out on a promontory where they cut through a hill and put the dirt out. And people have been driving out to look down the valley below. And we drove out there to see other things, and want to go down the hillside and collect and underfoot was this sort of thing that had been driven on, and everything else. And we picked up some of that, really,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=234.0,275.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: yeah, oh my gosh, what an excellent landscape plant that age,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=276.0,280.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and then all of a sudden, it was we got it back here, and it was just taken off. And of course, Bill had some up at Central Arizona college too, and we were all both very impressed. Hadn't expected anything from it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=281.0,294.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I've had it out compete Bermuda grass, and so I know it's a good one. Oh. I'll vote for that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=295.0,300.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=301.0,301.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836/transcript/68345/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: okay, anything else, then that's it all. Right, thank you again. Warren, okay, you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130440/file/243836#t=302.0,304.0"}]}]}]}