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I'm Jay Rocklin. As producer of the Our Town series on Kagan iron the Our Town crew have had the chance to get to know some of Arizona's smaller towns. One thing we noticed they all had in common was a great determination to continue to be very special small towns for a long time to come. This determination gave the people living in Bisbee Nogales or Safford a sense of belonging, a healthy sense of being part of a tradition that was there before they came, while still being part of the West that's growing. Today in our town. We're going to look back back at some of the towns that we don't see on today's roadmaps and at the same time, towns that have helped give Arizona the flavor we enjoy today. Gold, silver riches beyond your wildest dreams. Those were the promises that gave life to southern Arizona. It was mining, not cattle that developed the West, and we were no exception. Lady Luck smiled on the Pima and Santa Cruz valleys. Gold and Silver were found. But riches went to a chosen few. And all too soon the mines and the miners played out. The men and women of Arizona's boom towns went on to other dreams. The towns of Arizona's past have not fared well. Weather, time and vandalism have taken their toll today, but a few walls and foundations remain only shadows of a time when the West was young. Dreams were real, and gold was God. Today, I'm pleased to have as my guest, Philip Varney, an expert on Arizona's ghost towns teacher and lecturer and author whose book on Ghost Towns will be published next month. We'll take a quick break and be right back to talk about Arizona is vanishing past.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=111.0,248.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome to a program. Phil, I know you've been interested in ghost towns for quite a while now. How do you get into them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=249.0,254.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The first reason the first way I got interested in Ghost Towns was through frankly from Jim Sherman's book, ghost towns of Arizona. I'm from the Midwest. And when I moved down here, I was amazed at the size like Jerome there are no Jerome's in Illinois, and began exploring them. And then when I received his book as a gift, I began systematically going through trying to see how many I could visit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=255.0,277.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Why did some towns in Arizona die and others make it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=278.0,281.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think the answer is pretty simple. If the if the mind survive long enough to warrant a town being built there at all, then that town would survive as long as the mind did a lot of mines never even survived long enough to have a town built around them. Some towns like Bisbee survive Well over 100 years, with peak mine life or something like 90 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=282.0,305.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: People talk about ghost towns, historical relics. Just what is a ghost town? As we've gone around, I've gone around to ghost towns with, quote, ghost towns in Arizona, people still lived there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=306.0,319.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I suppose the purest definition of a ghost town would be one that is absolutely abandoned. We're all looking for that abandoned one with the saloon door still opening and swinging in the breeze. That's not going to be found anywhere except an old Tucson or some similar movie set my definition of a ghost town and it I think it's not only mine, it's it's pretty widely accepted as one that had a population considerably larger than what is there now, if people still live there, that a number of the buildings from that original peak period still exist at the town site itself. Whether or not there are people still living there? That's right, they can go. I've For example, consider Bisbee, which is really only a semi ghost town, a ghost town in the wider sense of the word since the buildings that were there are there now. We're there at the time of its peak, and many of them are in disuse. Whereas just down the road from Tombstone is the ghost town of Courtland, which has three standing buildings and absolutely no one is there. How about tombstone itself tombstone I would call a historic tourist town. But it still has some very historic and interesting buildings. But I still it still falls under the category of a ghost town in the widest sense.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=320.0,393.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And we in Arizona are proud of our past and proud of the Western traditions that we all feel as part of our own heritage and lives. How does Arizona compare to other states in numbers of ghost towns and preservation of its past?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=394.0,408.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Arizona is a really rich state in ghost towns, I would have to say honestly that Colorado probably has more spectacular ghost towns primarily because of the Rocky Mountain setting, that the New Mexico ghost towns because they are a bit more remote, I think tend to be a little bit better preserved. But Arizona has a has a real wealth, particularly in the Tucson and Prescott areas of ghost towns. Other states are better. There's no doubt about it in preserving their ghost towns, Montana. I have not been to Montana, but I've read that Montana preserves very well. Colorado definitely does. And probably the the best of the preserve ghost towns are to be found in California, although they're probably continuously inhabited ghost towns, and that makes them a little bit easier to protect.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=409.0,456.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Minds are still forming minds still open and close. Will there be new ghost towns in the future?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=457.0,462.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Not in the sense that we have had them in the past, I believe, Jay, the first reason is that the towns that are in use now tend to be trailer mobile home cities. And so the buildings that are most interesting, the commercial and the residential will simply disappear, move on to another site. And the heavy duty buildings, smelters, Mills, and things will be salvaged pretty thoroughly, I would imagine in the future, so that we won't have the same kind of ghost towns, the the weathered wood buildings and the old concrete foundations that we have at some of the better sites in Arizona. Now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=463.0,499.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What about oh, that seems to me like to be a prime candidate to be a ghost town someday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=500.0,503.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I can't predict about how because first of all, none of the none of the copper companies seem to be really willing to tell us how long they think the mines are going to last. I'm sure that for local reasons they would not be anxious to say they think of mine is going to die in 10 years or 50 years. A hoe is a pretty permanent settlement. There's no doubt about it. And yet mining is certainly the foundation of its economy. I'm no expert on Idaho, but I would guess that a good portion of it where it to close would be removed for other sites. Your books","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=504.0,532.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: called Arizona's best ghost towns. Let's take a break right now and come back and talk about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=533.0,537.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: it. Welcome back, Arizona's best ghost towns. Another book about ghost towns why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=538.0,563.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: My attempt in this book is to have available for other people the book that I would have liked to have had all along. Jim Sherman's book goes down to the west University of Oklahoma press is an excellent book and I used it repeatedly in my book and Jim Sherman and Barbara are personal friends of mine. And I commend them for the work they have done. Mine tries to take a little bit different approach. First of all, my photographs are quite current, all taken in the last couple of years and most of them in 1979. The chapters are organized not out well. The book is not organized alphabet equity sort of is organized in chapters out geographically. And by using geographic areas, it allows the person to know what towns or in any particular area, what towns can be visited together. And I tried to show exactly how to get to these towns, which towns are really worth seeing and those which we can be passed up without too much difficulty. And this book offers color photographs, which is something that no other ghost town book is used.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=564.0,626.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It's nice. What are some of your favorite ghost towns statewide in including New Mexico for that matter?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=627.0,632.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think everybody has personal favorites after going to some of these and I think the important thing to know is that it's not always merely because they're the largest or the most extensive. Jerome is an inescapably wonderful place. But it is not really one of my favorite ghost towns, probably because it's difficult to visit there without seeing more as many Winnebagos there are. A place I guess one of my favorites in Arizona, Swanzey, Arizona, which is near Parker, south, the buildings River. Another favorite of mine is oral Bel, Arizona, south of Crown King, which is south of Prescott, near the old Senator Highway. And both of those are, I think, probably as much the feeling of abandonment, the old kind of sense of almost wasted life there that I enjoy about those particular sites. They are as removed and remote as sites can be and still be available to a person with a well I went out to both of them without four wheel drive. And yet 32 others a site like well, Ruby, that the we'll be seeing some clips of later, would be an outstanding site, if you can get in to see it. And then I guess, probably at the other end, the ones that would have to be called sort of tourist towns like Jerome like Clarkdale, which is often overlooked right next to Jerome, sites that have well definite life and in fact, many of them will have businesses and tour shops and so forth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=633.0,720.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Now your book, as I was looking at was laid down in specific day trips people can take around Arizona, taking anywhere from several hours to all day making loops in different parts of the state. Let's pick out a couple and tell people what those say Ruby's nearby, let's go there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=721.0,741.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's a an enjoyable fact a fascinating place to visit if you can get in although there is something to see from the road even if you can't, you can go south from Tucson on 19 and go off at the Arivaca junction exit. There are three sites before one gets to Ruby on the Arivaca road about 15 miles in is the site of central Colorado, which was one of the earliest gold camps in Arizona, in the Southern Arizona because it was begun to be mined right after the Gadsden Purchase. There is little left at Cerro Colorado, but there is an excellent grave site. Then in about nine miles in his Arivaca, which isn't really a ghost town, but there's a nice old cemetery there south from there. Going towards Ruby is oral Blonko. And oral Blanca was a stage station. There's a an excellent old building there from the 1870s and a cemetery, south of the stage station itself and then down to Ruby, which is outstanding. There's no doubt about it probably the most extensive ghost town in southern Arizona, but effectively closed to the public unless you have permission to visit it. Beyond Ruby is Yank spring, which was a ranching effort by a man named Hank Bartlett and yank Hewitt and they try they were mule, Skinner's Teamsters, who worked the area for the army and started a ranching effort there. And all this remains at the mouth of Sycamore Canyon is one adobe wall left from their efforts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=742.0,840.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Let's go back to Ruby. Tell me about the town. Ruby was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=841.0,844.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: mined mining began in the 1870s. The town itself wasn't named Ruby until after statehood in 1912. The storekeeper named Julius Andrews named the town in honor of his wife whose maiden name was Lily Ruby, the I guess the most interesting and you'll have some you have some good pictures of the things that some of the more historic buildings there there's an excellent school house with a really improbable slide the slide is, I guess it must be 20 feet tall and I'm sure that no school today would be able to have one like it for fear of lawsuit. It's broken but it still is quite a remarkable thing. There are the baskets are still hanging in the in the playground for basketball. The store is particularly interesting. The store was moved to this location actually a new store was built in 1913 on the Hill that you We'll see. And that people, local residents believed that the store was doomed because they believed it was built or they said it was built over a Padres grave whether it was or not, I don't know. But the store indeed did have its share of unfortunate circumstances twice and once in 1914. And once again in 1921. The store was robbed, and an each time to Anglos were murdered. The school closed down as did most of the town in 1941. There was once a population of 2000 there, and today, there must be a good two dozen buildings under roof in most of them in very interesting and very photographable shape.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=845.0,943.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: If an individual watching this program goes to Ruby this afternoon or early tomorrow morning, what will he see? And what will he be allowed to say?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=944.0,950.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, my assumption would be that he would not be allowed to get inside the buildings itself and themselves, he will probably get to the door of the gate from the main Ruby Road, which will tell him that he's, we can't get any closer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=951.0,965.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, one more time that's fascinated me just because it's so different, and doesn't fit the stereotype of any old west town that I've ever heard of a sunny side,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=966.0,973.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Sunny Side is singularly fascinating. It is the only town of its type to my knowledge in the West, because it's the only town that I know of that was first of all, a religious community. Secondly, a mining community and thirdly, a kind of commune community. It was founded by a man named Samuel Donnelly, who was according to one story at any rate, Skid Row Type alcoholic from San Francisco, who became a born again we would say nowadays, Born Again Christian, and brought his teachings and followers to the Lonestar mine area and form it this community called Sunnyside. It's interesting because in addition to being particularly well preserved, thanks to judge Hathaway and the remarkable gentleman, John McIntyre and his wife who live there. The buildings themselves were unusual because they, for example, none of the houses had kitchens, the they ate in a communal dining array, which has not survived, but two very fine residences, the Gatchel house and the Langford house have survived. And the school, which was built just around the turn of the century, and the special, I guess, most special thing about sinusitis be able to talk to Mr. John McIntyre, and all the things that he knows about it. He attended the school at the turn of the century. And so he is living history. I'm remarkably interesting and very friendly gentleman, and when a person goes down to Sunnyside, he should talk to him, be sure to that he knows that they're there, and he will give them a very pleasant","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=974.0,1067.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: screen. What do you fear McIntyre stayed there all these years? Well, the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1068.0,1071.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: McIntyre's didn't stay there. He in fact, he has tremendous stories about Visby. About tombstone he was, as I recall, a paper carrier for the Tombstone Epitaph. He worked in Bisbee. So he has he's been away for some time. In fact, he even lived in either Tucson or Phoenix, I'm not sure. But he's back where he belongs. I think it's a remarkable little place. But it was he was brought back he brought himself back there to watch over the buildings and make sure that there's some chance of their survival.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1072.0,1103.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Terrific. One thing I want to talk about, we have to break right now, but something that just didn't quite read me write about your book and others on ghost towns is the fact that you're telling people that they're out there, want to come back and talk about that and moral questions about whether or not people should go see these ghost towns and whether or not you as an author, a knowledgeable person should even tell them about them. We'll be back in a second","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1104.0,1140.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome back, your book, you give instructions about how to get to many previously generally unknown ghost towns, in a sense, to me anyway, you're giving away their secrets. I know that you personally care very, very much for these ghost towns and preserving as much as the past as we can. How is your concern jive with your telling people how to get to these places?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1141.0,1162.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It's a concern I have very deeply it's one that I talked about with Jim Sherman. And because of his book, because his book helped me get to some of them and I found some others by myself. Because I also discussed this with Dr. Byrd Granger, author of Arizona place names who has a tremendous respect and love for Arizona's past. My My worry is certainly that I will help someone get to a town and that person will then desecrate it. If that happens I would I in addition to wanting to do something violent, I would also be glad to refund the money for the book to anybody like that. Because certainly, the book is not intended to be used by that kind of person, the hope that I have is that a person who bothers to go that far will have respect for that, which is there and know that the next person who goes to that spot will want to see exactly what they saw. So my I have several ground rules, and I mentioned them in the book, the kinds of things to do and not to do in such a place. I address some of those Well, I don't believe in removing anything. And I mean, not so much as nails or, or little buttons or anything like that, that one would find on the ground, much less, of course, something like a fixture in a wall or a piece of wall itself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1163.0,1238.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And then the argument of that someone might come back and say, why shouldn't I remove it and save it and preserve it, rather than leave it there? And perhaps let it get destroyed by the next people that visit?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1239.0,1247.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, of course, that argument is specious in that, obviously, if you say, well, it's the next person's going to get it, then that person is only going to have the same argument. And that should mean that the first person who is there should take as much as he possibly can, because after all, the next person will just take the next amount. I don't believe in that at all. I believe that you should say, Well, I will photograph it extensively, so that I will have the memory of it. I have friends who have taken things from towns and years later, they have no particular use for the things they've taken. They're just little knickknacks. And there's not they don't have made a dance around them or anything. They're just, they're just an item. I really believe that the things like metal detectors and crowbars and shovels belong somewhere else. But a photographer is right at home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1248.0,1292.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Just how much is a problem? Or how much of a problem is vandalism in Arizona? Is it do we exaggerate it or not? Really,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1293.0,1298.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I don't think we exaggerated. There's a beautiful little site north of Phoenix called tip top on Arizona, was virtually untouched. And there was a big article about it in the Arizona Republic. And it was it was billed as for four wheel drive buffs kind of thing not so much for ghost town people. And the town became a kind of four wheel drive Mecca, and the town is no longer a town. There the brewery is still there, sort of under roof and a couple of other buildings are somewhat there. But the town has been virtually destroyed because of that kind of approach. Now, that's I'm hoping that my book won't do that. That people will instead of saying go disturb, wasn't it the reason for reaching tip top is not how difficult the road is, it's to see what's there and take pictures of it and leave it alone. If they destroy it, then my book is doing a great disservice. And I'm aware of that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1299.0,1351.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: All right, ghost towns in Arizona given any special statutes status in law?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1352.0,1356.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, not to my knowledge. Certainly. There is a state historical park at Jerome for example. But the site itself is not protected, per se. Other than No, no more than any other building would be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1357.0,1368.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How about some of the other states in the West? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1369.0,1370.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: they Colorado and California are considerably in front of us as far as legislation and protection. Making things natural site and a national sites are sites of historic interest. Montana understand has done a good job with that. But certainly California and Colorado have worked hard to predict their sites.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1371.0,1389.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And real quickly someone goes out to explore for ghost towns what to watch out for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1390.0,1397.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, certainly certainly a person should know what kind of road he or she is getting into. A person also needs to know what kind of sick what kind of status his car is in have with you. For example, backup hoses, I'd say radiator hoses particularly things like shovel make sure your jack works have an extra Jack if you can make sure your tires are in good condition have lots of water I've run into people who had lots of beer and no water and the water was what they needed by the time they were through. There are lots of this is a very short summary and by no means is a complete list that a person should know what he's doing when he goes a certain person should also be sure that someone else knows right where he's going","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1398.0,1440.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: one more time name if you book Arizona's best ghost towns expected publication date last part of March beginning of April. That's right. We'll look for it and thanks for being with us. Thank you,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1441.0,1450.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Arizona you got mountains and unknown your towns and cities and I've made my bed beside you waterfall Murthy Zan inbody ever seen it oh god who's back to where can watch the big screen time Very body","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848#t=1451.0,1453.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74852/file/160848/transcript/38467/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/038/467/original/azu_ms673-015_a.vtt?1654728331","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/038/467/original/azu_ms673-015_a.vtt?1654728331"}]}]}]}