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I'm Keith Adams, and this is City for tonight's,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1.0,5.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and we are here to interview Dr Philip, Dr Richard Felton, because tomorrow there's a there's an arbor to committee there is also there. Yes, smartly, would have done it at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=6.0,24.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: We couldn't. So we would like to keep this somewhat semi structure so we have, we have the list of questions, but you know, we can easily deviate around it a little bit if you find sure appropriate. So the first question we would like to ask you is, When did you arrive in Tucson,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=25.0,45.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: in the mid in the mid 1950s","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=46.0,49.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and why did you come here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=50.0,50.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I came here because I was interested in the plants of the region, and already been on a field trip to Sonora, to to Alamos, with my high school, with my high school biology teacher. So so I knew, I knew where the good stuff was, and it was far enough to be away from home, and it was the closest I could get to the to the arid tropics, or to the tropics,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=51.0,87.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: where it was home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=88.0,89.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That was California. That was California, so it wasn't that far away. Yeah, and my grandparents lived here. My father lived in Arizona, so Arizona wasn't foreign. 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I mean, I had to, I had to go to university. So I picked the one that was closest to Mexico, the closest, the closest to the good stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=107.0,119.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What is your professional background or training?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=120.0,125.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I'm a botanist, a botanist, and I was first a marine biologist, and I didn't get into botany till I was about eight or 10. 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Where did you go to school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=141.0,143.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Here, university, undergrad and my doctorate and the doctorate at the U of A","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=144.0,152.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: so were you hired after you graduated? 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What were your first What was your first position?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=221.0,224.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I came back here and I worked on grants. In fact, most of the time since I left Los Angeles, I've lived on grants, except the time that I was I was at the Desert museum. I was at the Arizona desert, DESERT Desert, desert museum. 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I've been I've had, I have an adjunct appointment with the, with the with the Environmental Research Laboratory, U of A. And at different times i There were different grant there were different grant projects.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=302.0,329.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So you were you seem to be really engaged and busy getting funding. 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That's what you're looking for. I can't truly answer that, except maybe some years, it'd be 5050. Some years would be more and often less, often, much less. Of fields today, it's probably 8020, it's hard to say, because often when I'm in the field, I'm then you can say I'm writing also at the same time? 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So we going back","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=473.0,480.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: when I'm back in Tucson, yes, well, much of my time was occupied working, working on, working on, on the ethnobotany of the Syrian Indians, and working on international conservation. Was very active in the IUCN, on the survival Service Commission, and with, with, with conservation work in India, Africa. Well, the conservation work mostly, mostly in Latin America, but some to some overseas. I did some work with, still do work with, work with sea turtle with, with, with sea turtle conservation. Yes, and then for a few years, I was involved with with with the Environmental Research Laboratory, the halite program, which got its start. Work with my work with the with the discovery the first rain from the seastra.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=481.0,576.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: This question here is, how did these projects link to the UA campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=577.0,582.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=583.0,590.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I would say as far, how did the projects link to the U of A campus? Yes, well, the environmental research project was the I. Halifi survey of the world for edible halifites of potential agronomic use. That was the University of Arizona project. I was also associated. I was also at the at the at the office, at the office of arid land studies for a while. I mean, we don't have time to go through all of these projects. I think we're interested going what projects were connected with the campus landscape. Oh, campus landscape, it Well, that was most strongly because I've always been interested in growing plants. In those of us who were interested in plants, everybody knew, everybody knew everybody. And I'd say that in a number of times, I went to Mexico with, what, with Warren Jones and us. And we sometimes went on field trips. We went to we went to international meetings that may have been held in Mexico, and invariably brought back plants. And I often brought plants, and I would, you know all the all the living material that I've always brought back has always been shared with with horticulturist, with with Botanic Gardens. In while I was at the Desert Museum, I was we wait. We were introducing material, and Warren Jones was always got cuttings and seeds and plants and some of the trees on campus. Warren, Warren and I, Warren and I brought them back. Some of them we planted from","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=591.0,723.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: seed, and some","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=724.0,725.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: of them seeds or cuttings or whatever, depending and some of them mean, I think some of them, we dug the holes and planted the plants. Some of the trees on campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=726.0,737.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Can you still identify those trees? Or they're around. Course, in one particular place? Can you tell us some more button about those that come to your mind? I think, I think the project is interesting in finding out the history of you know plans on campus that I know that sometimes not sure who put them in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=738.0,763.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes. Well, I think that Libby has most of those. Most of those identify. For instance, there's some populous, there's populous, populous Monticello and populous Mexicana variety, populous, meticulous subspecies, da dimorfa. Those are two large Mexican, Mexican cottonwoods, and they're between where we are right now the chance building and the and the anthropology museum on the north side of the liberal arts of the old Liberal Arts Building, I don't know what it's called now. We also brought in palms, many trees,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=764.0,813.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: cacti, not","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=814.0,814.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: too many cacti, because most of them were either already in cultivation. Or as ever since the Great chance cactus collection cactus garden was was destroyed, there really hasn't been much. U of A campus has not had any significant collection of cactus I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=815.0,844.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: some plants,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=845.0,852.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: some plants we brought from California, for instance, there's some cycads. There's diode, a Dione spinulosum and some large ceratozamias that are in the building west of here. It used to be called the Home Ec building. I forget what they call it. Now, that's a very long name, okay. Yeah. And those cycads are there cycads, and if you don't know what cycads are, you need to know they're the classiest plants on Earth. You need to know what cycads are. Brilliant. Really beautiful. He'll show you. Do you know where that diamond spinosum is? I don't know where that one is. No, it has the largest cone of any of any seed plant on Earth. So what's the name of that building where the cycads are little low building west of here, consumer sciences and sciences. Now that that site that's the largest psychiatry in the New World, it'll get a trunk maybe 20 to 25 feet tall. Warren Jones and I were particularly interested in, in making use of the microclimates on campus, and so we would often put tender trees on the South sides of buildings, such as magic alley that you know well, and Warren, and Warren and I were involved, and other People also probably in planting some of those trees.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=853.0,967.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Did you work with other people other than","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=968.0,969.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Warren Jones on campus, for this part, on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=970.0,972.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: your plant collection projects?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=973.0,975.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I didn't. Warren Jones was not involved with my plant collection. Most of my plant collecting was as voucher specimens, okay? And as far as U of A campus, there was an interest in horticulture that I would bring plants that I that I may not have a specific scientific interest in all of those, those trees. I did have an interest in one of the books I published not long ago was, was the trees of the trees of the trees of Sonora. So I've had a long interest in the trees. Campus was a nice place to grow somewhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=976.0,1021.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I What were the other people at the time that were on this campus that were interested in plants?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1022.0,1032.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: A lot of people interested in plants. But you know, as far as you mean, as far as the arboretum,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1033.0,1037.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: as far as the arboretum is concerned, you know, people were involved in also bringing some plants and cuttings and seeds and,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1038.0,1045.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well, the primary person was Warren. Was Warren, also Charlie, also Charlie. Charlie sakamano. And I'm probably forgetting some people's names, Matt Johnson later. Lot of people were interested. Bill, Bill Feldman, other people who, I don't know how much of it ended up here on campus, but the cross whites. Frank cross white.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1046.0,1089.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But because Warren was on the faculty and he was here, he was the one who really was the focus point was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1090.0,1106.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: in your contributions to bringing plans to this campus. Which one? What do you consider? What do you consider is your major contribution, of your major achievements, in terms of all the plants you brought here, you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1107.0,1125.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: mean a specific plant? Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1126.0,1127.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: it could be a plant or a project. Well, there wasn't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1128.0,1130.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: one specific project. I mean, this is just my work, and it just is what I do, yeah. And it just, you don't start on one on one project, one month and ended the next continuous","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1131.0,1141.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: process. But you do seem","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1142.0,1149.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: particularly proud of the cycad though, so maybe that's one that you could say as an important one plant that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1150.0,1157.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well, I've had an interest in cycads, but University of Arizona does not have a notable cycad collection. It should, with the microclimates available, there's no reason why there shouldn't be 100 species of cycads cultivated on campus. But there has not been a there's not been a sustained interest in that insane with poems, let's say it's quite casual and quite lighter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1158.0,1196.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: My end of it. Yeah, my work has been, I would say more botanical, Economic Botany, ethno botany, but my work has always been, I'd say a little more oriented towards academic botany, and Warren was more interested in design and in landscaping. Warren was not particularly interested, or did not put effort into herbarian vouchers. And our mutual interest, where we got together was just plain interest, just plain interest in in the plants and the trees themselves. And Warren and Carol were good friends for a while. I lived not far from them, and we saw we saw. We sell each other frequently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1197.0,1262.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And Carol, Carol's his wife, and Morgan, was very active, very active with the desert, with the desert, with the desert museum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1263.0,1281.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think it's an example of plants that you brought that did not succeed here,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1282.0,1293.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: no, no, because we would make an effort to bring plants that would succeed. We wouldn't just held a skelter try any any old thing. And if I made an effort to bring something, I would usually try to make sure that it would survive. I would say that the biggest and greatest mortality course was always grounds crew and and buildings. Most of your plants from Sonora, or some from Chihuahua or other states. Most of what I brought was I was involved, came from Sonora, Baja, Baja, California, and then things that were obtained through friends and contacts elsewhere from other parts of the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1294.0,1358.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What's your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1359.0,1365.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: it says here the question, if the UA campus has changed since your earlier days here, and I guess it has. What? How do you view that change? Can you, can you kind of briefly, maybe summarize what drove that change in the landscape, or in the botanical landscape?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1366.0,1393.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think the changes have been after Warren sort of retired or Warren was as active, things went downhill as we know. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1394.0,1411.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: plant material was strictly, was, you know, it was a very secondary item. And not until the formation of the of the Arboretum. Has there been any formal or sustained interest? When a tree was about to be bulldozed, there was absolutely nothing that could be done about it. And the burgeons, which glad to say that I have a little bit of a hand in I'm glad to see that that finally, I crystallized and got people","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1412.0,1447.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: organized. People organized around protecting some of it, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1448.0,1453.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: it was quite sad to see a lot of the great plantings just wholesale destroyed. And there were where the mall is, places the mall where the mall is now. There was once a great cactus garden, of course, most of that preceded the time when I was here. And later, there was some, still some natural habitat. And when I was when I taught some classes, we could still go out there and see and see and see populations of things as as astounding as as all female species of lizards, the fewer still are still. The few are still. Are still ahead. You know, I understand that there's more than one species, and these are rather priceless things, and we could take students right here on campus to see native plants and desert plants, to lose that heritage was, I think, kind of sort of tragic. Certainly the entire campus can't stay the way that it was, but some changes have not been positive, and there still is a still is a mentality of cost of cost effective, rather pedestrian planting around around new buildings, rather than allowing the campus arboretum to have a hand in, in doing what in in much more intelligent and interesting and educational and conservation oriented endpoint. And these are the things that the students, the faculty the alumni and the supporters of the university want to see, and this is what builds a constituency for The University, and it's very cheap and it's practical,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1454.0,1608.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: practical, but not practical, but not practiced.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1609.0,1611.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I'd say that's a good way to put it. It's it's beginning to happen. And as I said, Warren did those things, and it was probably, and it was much more, it was much more informal. And I'm sure that Warren, I don't know, you'd have to ask him, and I'm sure that he communicated well with the grounds people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1612.0,1635.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: There is, I've noticed, because in Colorado, where I spent seven years, I've been much involved in zero escaping in various gardens and at my house, and I've noticed here too, this seems to be a general sentiment in the public to to be more interested in native plants. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1636.0,1660.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: in an arboretum, in an international university, and University of this sort, when the leading universities anywhere, native plants naturally have a very major contribution. However, the desert Museum and other local institutions are carrying that on quite well. We're not going to have natural landscapes such as the desert museum or Tohono Choo or even the Tucson botanic gardens can have. And so we would, I would think, have an emphasis, not only on native some on many native plants, but also on many of the exotic or plants of scientific and horticultural interest of general interest, medicinal uses, with a very strong emphasis on education, where people can see, for instance, campuses in the place where somebody can see a can see a baobab tree, and it's a size. It's a sizable one. If you haven't seen it, then you then your education is so lacking. It's over at the over at the administration building and flowers in summer, I believe that that was brought in. There may be records on this, but I think it was a mayo, somebody from Mexico. I think it was Pedro Mayu of air museo who brought it and wore and obtained it. It happens to be a very rare species of baya Baobab, and I believe it's the only one in cultivation in the United States or in North America, has the yellow flower that's that big. The large buildings allow frost free corner frost free. I. A frost free micro climates. In magic alley, there's a large royal poinciana tree, and people interested in art seeing the paintings of the paintings of golgot, and you see, they those brilliant oranges. That's the tree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1661.0,1832.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: There are several of the several Borg trees, crescentia, which featured very prominently in the conquest of the new world and in political and religious history. And again, this campus is the only place in Tucson where one can see those and so it is more than native plants. In fact, I would say that with the with the with the desert Botanic Gardens and the others I've mentioned, and and the arboretum at Superior I'd say that natural desert landscaping is probably for various reasons, not the highest priority for this campus, although it should be a very major part. And and and drought resistant plants certainly can be featured in many areas, but in other areas, it would seem that it's not necessary, or even called for the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1833.0,1916.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: arboretums that you mentioned. I'm sorry, the buchams are those from bacha. Those butums were brought here by, probably by, I think it's known, but I think by Glanton Sykes and forest Shrieve. And those came from","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1917.0,1935.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the area south of libertad in Sonora. I believe, I'm sure there's a history of those, but it's my understanding that those are from Sonora. Then the time when the when the campus did have a great and famous Botanic Garden, was when Homer shots was president,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=1936.0,1963.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and the influence of forest reef and other great botanists, before World War Two, where the mall is now, was a world famous cactus garden. People, came. I mean, it was, it was a destination. But there also, at the time, there weren't the other Botanic Gardens in southern Arizona, and there wasn't the desert Museum and so forth. 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I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2002.0,2023.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Homer Shawn was one of the great, great ecologists.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2024.0,2038.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Ray Turner can give you more information on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2039.0,2047.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Are you still bringing plants here","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2048.0,2049.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: to this campus? No, no, because there's no, I'm not. There's plenty of plant, plenty of Plant, plant material available. I would become active in obtaining a lot of plant, a lot of plant material, if there was a method of them being, a method for them to be received and planted and cared for. That still seems to be a bit embryonic or just getting started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2050.0,2088.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I would like to be involved in something like that. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2089.0,2091.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: in a botanic garden of this sort, getting plant material is almost the easiest thing. I. Yeah, having the infrastructure and the personnel means a requires a a financial commitment in a sustained getting the plants is not a sustained effort, and it's a lot more the fun part, just like with my work, the fun part is the field work, but men need to follow that up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2092.0,2141.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Questions. I do think that the arboretum has come to the point where there should now be a very concerted effort at obtaining the appropriate plant plant, the appropriate plant introductions, the appropriate plant material. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2142.0,2171.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you think there might be a move in the right direction, in terms of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2172.0,2175.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the fact that it's moving in a direction is the right direction, the fact that there is a campus Arboretum is the right thing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2176.0,2185.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and I think it's wonderful. And I think we owe a lot to Libby, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2186.0,2195.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think that the university should give her a promotion and recognize her hard work. I don't think they've done an adequate job of that. I will be outspoken about that, because the first and most important thing for any Botanic Garden is to have personnel and to have them gain the necessary respect and position, the necessary things for them to carry out their work,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2196.0,2237.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: it was a great loss to lose Michael Chamberlain from the herbarium here, it was a cheap move to get rid of him, and very foolish. Michael was very active, doing the very things that the botanic that the campus arboretum most needs, record keeping, voucher specimens. Was tireless about it, and worked above and beyond his his duties, and it's sharp sided things like that that can derail the camp disarmament.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2238.0,2279.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Are there any other people that you think we should Well, I think you probably know everybody you mark, you've seen, you've talked to Mark dimit. No, you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2280.0,2299.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: can show you the list of people","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2300.0,2300.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you Matt Johnson, well, I just named it, but the people that I would need, I would tell you, are Matt Johnson, Mark dinner, Warren Jones, you've already Charlie, Charlie. Charlie sakamano, you catch him when he comes in town. Ray Turner may give you some of the early history, not so much horticulture, but for people like Sean, some things that preceded Bob. Webb, I don't know how much involved","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2301.0,2350.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: is David Yetman being involved in campus? No, okay, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2351.0,2366.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you've got Fazio's name there, yes, the only one that he's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2367.0,2376.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: here, that we, that we and Mary Rose. Yes, you have Mary Rose,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2377.0,2385.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: is there anything you'd like to add? No, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834#t=2386.0,2387.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130438/file/243834/transcript/68341/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: think that's very much appreciate your time. You're very welcome. This is a good one. Good and wonderful thing that you're doing. 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