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You.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=17.0,22.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Good morning, everyone. Our guest this morning, Dr bird Granger is a perennial favorite among students and is one of the most sought after speakers on the U of A campus and throughout the Tucson community, for that matter, for her intriguing lectures on witchcraft and folklore. Dr Granger travels extensively throughout Arizona and the world to obtain information on customs and beliefs from the folk who tell the tales and those who believe in it all. Dr Gracia, and internationally recognized authority on folklore, is the backbone of the University of Arizona's Arizona's folklore Information Center, and is professor of folklore and literature at the U of A she's currently working on the Arizona dictionary of customs and beliefs. Is on the Board of Governors of the American name society as a member of the prestigious folklore Society of England, the American folklore society a member of the International folk narrative Congress, and was a Squadron Commander of women pilots ferrying fighter aircraft during World War Two. The list goes on and on. I I could spend the next half hour telling you all about Dr Granger and what she's done recently, though, Dr Granger gave a talk in Phoenix as a participant in a series of Bicentennial lectures commissioned by Governor Castro, and the topic of her talk in Phoenix was lore along the Nogales highway. As a part of that talk, it had something to do with lost mines and buried treasures here in our own state of Arizona, and we've prevailed upon Dr Granger to discuss that very intriguing subject with us here this morning. Dr Granger, so nice to have you with us. Pleasure to be here morning. This is your first time on our show, and certainly a subject that I'm deeply interested in, and I'll bet many of our viewers are too. Is some of the folklore associated with the Tucson area, especially in regard to treasure and mines? Is there a lot of treasure in this area? Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=23.0,134.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: there is quite a lot, but believed to be buried in this area, and I'm not surprised that they're interested. What were their income taxes coming to you very shortly? There are many famous stories about lost mines and buried treasures in this area.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=135.0,146.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: What is there one that comes to mind right off? Oh yes, the one","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=147.0,151.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: that led Harold Bell Wright to produce his novel The mine with the iron door. And that has never been found. It's said to be up in the Catalina Mountains. And the story there is that there were two cowboys who were going up the Canada Del Oro, which used to be the old road to old camp grant, and they wandered up a side Canyon, came upon a branch, went another side Canyon into a box and looked up. And here, carved in the face of the rock were a series of steps. You know, how cowboys are. They were curious. They hadn't found the strays they were after anyway, and so they made their way up to a small plateau at the top of these stairs. Pretty arduous work, too. When they got there, they couldn't see anything except the entrance to a cave. And they bend over, and they looked down this long tunnel. And as they did so, they saw a light at the other end, about a half a mile away. It appeared to be just a pinpoint, but they walked through this cave when they came out at the other end, curious thing about it was a flat floor, not one of these places where you could fall off into declevities and so on. When they came to the other end, to their amazement, they were standing on another small plateau. When they looked down below them, there was a small valley. It looked like a garden of Eden, and they could see the remains of a white mission, a Spanish style mission. And off to one side, what had obviously been a mine with a bubbling stream going through the place and beautiful trees. And there was a door to that mine. They could even see that, but you know, they couldn't get to it because it was 200 feet below them, a straight drop, a straight drop, and of course, no rope. They just climbed up there because of their curiosity. So they went back, made their way to Tucson, got all of their supplies, and left a letter with a store keeper. They did not return in three weeks that someone had better start looking for them. They never did come back again. They've never been found. No, but the letter told about this place. And so the legend grew that the Spanish fathers must have had a mission up there, a secret mission, and that there was a mine with an iron door up there. But I'm a pilot. You mentioned that, and I've flown with the Catalinas. I've never seen anything like this that even resembles a mission. No, no. Even such a place. It looks like a garden of Eden, nothing like that. That","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=152.0,283.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: was one of the stories that Mr. Wright used as the subject for one of his books, wasn't it? Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=284.0,288.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the mine with the iron door. Of course, there are many stories about lost mines in this area. There's a story about a mine down on the Nogales highway. One. That I'm going to include in the talk that rather I did include the talk that I gave in Phoenix. And in this story, the A man from Douglas came upon an old map to a location for a mine used by the Spanish fathers. And he found it. He found the location markers, the trees still growing in the same place, the pile of stones where it should be, and the mine tunnel. But he was a businessman, and he had no desire to work this place, so he hired a black to do it for him. The black went up there quite willingly. Worked it for several weeks, but finally began reporting he didn't want to go back there. He'd come home weekends, and he said, I don't want to go back there. He said, There's something strange about that place. And the owner of the place said to him, what's the matter? What is the trouble? Well, he said, you know, lately I have seen a goat standing on the hillside watching me as I'm digging that mine. He said, last Friday, before I came home this weekend, that goat suddenly changed into a Spanish father, and he had horns like the devil. He said, I'm scared. I don't want to go back there again. But he did go back. They sent out a posse for this man finally, because he would not come back to Douglas. And actually they had to kill him because he was mad. He had the impression that anybody who came near him was the man in the black flowing robe with the horns. But no one will go into that little shaft, not at all","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=289.0,382.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: that's truly a train. Very strange story, yes, isn't it? There was another story. I remember you telling me about, a story regarding a Texan el Tejano.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=383.0,393.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: El Tejano, yes, this is a story that Loris have been engaged in, and they have denied it. They say they find no record of it. But here in Tucson, you will find people who say that they knew him, old people who knew el Tejano. He was Robin Hood, type character, rather swarthy, looking, not very handsome, man who came into Tucson in the late 1890s and was active in the city. He had a friend who worked for the freight lines that ran through Tucson. You know, it's a very curious thing, but most people today don't realize that we had horse drawn freight wagons and stage coaches in Tucson right up until about 1912 even though there were automobiles and there was a train that went through, it didn't go everywhere. And this man who was a friend of El Tejano was man named Davis. Davis worked at the freight station, and he would advise al Tejano whenever there's a shipment coming through that might be worth stealing, which el Tejano would then do, and he would share the proceeds with people who really needed it. He was apparently a very kind man, and this is why he's so well remembered. Because when people were hungry or the children needed clothing, el Tejano would always show up and give them a gift of money. But of course, the rumor grew that he kept some for himself, although he never lived, how would you express it? High on the hog. He was a plain, unassuming man, but the reward on his head became larger and larger. The merchants were disturbed those days. $5,000 was a lot of money. Yes, indeed it was. And so it became too much for Davis, and he went to the sheriff and said, I know where El Tejano is. The sheriff said, you do? Davis said, Yes, and I will turn him over to you if I get the reward. The sheriff said, Okay, you'll get it. It's a deal. It's a deal. Yeah. So Davis, of course, knew where El Tejano is hiding out because it was on Davis' Ranch, which was on the west bank of the Santa Cruz, approximately where St Mary's road crosses that dry stream. Today, they went there, and there was a duel. El Tejano was killed. This is where some of the lore comes into it, not so very long ago in England, it was customary when you killed criminals to remove their heads. The reason being that you did not want the person to have any possibility of coming back to life, being reincarnated. Oh, yes, no way at all. So this is what happened to El Tejano. It said that his head was removed. Of course, it may not have been well Davis got the reward. Then the rumor grew he had the treasure that El Tejano had left. But when people traced what Davis spent, he never spent more than the reward, people began remembering where El Tejano had gone when he was riding off for himself, it was over to Cat Back mountain. Do you know El Gato? Yes, I've heard of it. Yes. It's on the road, the Aho road, just where you turn north to go to old to south. And in that mountain there are many caves. People remembered that El Tejada would climb up that mountain. He had a big black horse. They'd go up together, and he'd disappear for a while when he came back down, he never had the bags that he'd gone up with. And to this day, people go to look for that treasure, but they say, you know that he guards his treasure very firm universal beliefs that a treasure will go only to the person it's meant for. And if people are looking for that cave, and they get too close, they hear the sound of hooves coming. Quietly over the hills. And if they get a little bit closer, it begins to break into a big gallop. And if they get too close, all of a sudden they hear this enormous sound of a horse neighing, and they look up and hear this tremendous black horse with a headless man holding his head in one hand, the pistol in the other. And then, if you don't run, you may never have to tell the story. Lot of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=394.0,618.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: people still believe that story too? They do. Yes, they do. I've heard that there are stories connected with San Xavier and a treasure in that area. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=619.0,625.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Santa Veer, of course, is intensely interesting. It has any number of Legends associated with it, including treasure legends during the Pima revolt of 1750 was it? I believe it was. The Indians at San avire took all the church treasures, and that was not the present mission. It's one that preceded it, and buried them. They took them away for fear that they would be destroyed. Since the Pima Indians were destroying so much. Then the Indian, who was in charge never did reappear. He's said to have died in the hills somewhere, perhaps the canyon southwest of the mission. So somewhere there, there may be the treasure of sandview still buried.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=626.0,664.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Is there another mission, treasure farther down the Nogales highway? Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=665.0,668.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the tomacare mission. And that one is really a stunner. Have you never heard this? Never heard that story? Well, there are two or three. And because of the brevity of time and the fact that there's so much to be talked about in Arizona, I will just tell the two that I like the best. That's my privilege. Okay, do that all right. Now, one of these is that the fathers were working a mine in the mountains, across the valley to the east from two macaquery mission. And of course, it was necessary to put the treasure, the gold and silver bars that they as they brought out into a cave to hold them for the Royal fifth as well as for shipping to Mexico. That was a six month trip to take those things by borough down to Mexico City. And therefore, the Padres had the Indians, who were neophytes in the study of religion, hollow out this cave. Oh, big place, big as a living room. And in there they put the treasure. There was a tunnel running under the desert floor, across the valley, half a mile, laid midway between the mission and the mountains. But what the Spanish priests did not know was that the Indians had a legend that unless a member of their tribe married a fair skinned, blue eyed Indian from the Maya tribe on the west coast of Mexico, their tribe would vanish. And so these Indians had somehow managed to abduct a young girl of the tribe and brought her how they got her through that tunnel no one knows, and concealed her in the cave, and they tried to convince her that she must marry the one of their members, the son of their chieftain. And she said, No, she wouldn't do it. She said she was engaged to a man of her own tribe, and she could not do it. This would absolutely break the customs of her group, and she could not do it. They argued with it big a difference. They would fade away. All right. So they faded away. She still couldn't marry and so they decided they would torture her into submission. And they created a table of these gold and silver blocks directly under the opening, which let air into the cave from the hillside above, where, of course, the Indians grazed sheep under the control of the Padres. And they put her on this table, and they incised her breasts with a cactus poison just at dawn, and they told her, You have until the sun gets directly overhead and strikes your breast. You have until then to agree that you will marry, and if you do not, you're going to die in terrible agony. She could not do it well, later that morning, one of the priests was up on the hillside almost at noon, Sun getting higher and higher, of course, and he was talking to one of the herders of the sheep, and he heard this noise coming from under the ground, this moaning. And he thought, what is that? What is that? And suddenly it turned into shrieks, and he ran across the desert floor to wear a Padre and an Indian regarding the tunnel. He said, We must get to that treasure room immediately, something terrible is happening in there. And they rushed through the tunnel, and just as they got into the door of this underground cave, the sun was overhead. Hit this girl in the breast. She died. Well, the priests were horrified. They were absolutely horrified. They figured that this had happened because of their own greed. They had no business sending gold and silver down to Mexico City. They should have been engaged totally in taking care of the souls of the Indians. And so they told the Indians, you must go, never come back here. You can never be Christianized. You have disgraced yourselves. Any possibility of forgiveness, and as for themselves, they sealed the cave, they piled stones on top of the hole, the opening at the top, and they erased all traces in the mission records. But there are two things they couldn't do, and that's how the story came down to us. If. First, the records in Mexico City speak about treasure being sent down on the borough trains intervals of two or three years. And second, the Indians themselves, and they went home before their tribe did die out, talked about what had happened to them. And so over the years, the story has come to us in two ways, and maybe the treasure is there, although I met a couple of cowboys, just say that's not where it is tall they don't believe it's in that area. No, it's not there. They were coming home from rounding up cattle, and there was one of these late afternoon thunderstorms, and they had sent the cattle onto a meadow where they could round them up again in the morning, they took shelter in the old mission. They simply tethered their horses so they could graze a little bit, and took their saddles and their saddle blankets, went into the mission and bedded down for the night. He went to sleep. Of course, the storm subsided, and they decided no sense trying to get back to the ranch. And one of these men said to me, he said, You know, I don't know what time it was, but I became conscious that there was very bright moonlight. And he said, I heard voices. I heard chatting, as you hear it at a mass. And he said, I opened my eyes very, very slowly, and I looked up, and here were these shadowy forums coming through the old open windows of this mission. And he said, as they got these shadows came through the windows. They got into the aisle. They turned into people, women with robosas and small boys and men with their heads bowed, all chanting very softly. So they were walking up toward the front of this church. He said, I turned my head and I looked, and he said, There was a priest with acolytes on either side. And he said, As I watched, this man suddenly went over to the left of the altar, and he leaned down, and he picked up one of those heavy stones, as though we were made of paper, and he set it aside. And he reached in very slowly, and he brought out chalices of gold and silver. He said, I got excited. He said, I hit my companion. Said, Joe. Joe. Look, look. He said, Then there was nothing. They were gone. They were gone. He says, you want that treasure? That's where it is, but I'll never go back there again. The cowboy actually told you that story. Oh yes, he did. And it is a fact, of course, that the two macaquery mission was made into a national monument through the efforts of will C Barnes, the originator of the Arizona place names, and a very great Arizona pioneer, but because people were tearing that mission apart, trying to find the lost treasure. Yes, today there's no chance for anyone to do anything about that. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=669.0,1044.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: we've heard about treasure in the in the Tucson Mountains, the Catalinas, on the way to Nogales. How about in the rincons? Anything up there around Colossal Cave? Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1045.0,1054.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: there is, of course, I think most people who live in this area are familiar with the fact that there was a great train robbery on the train coming out of Wilcox, and I believe there were four robbers engaged in that, and they took holed up in Colossal Cave. I used to live out by Colossal Cave, so I became very familiar with this story, and I have been to the back entrance to the cave. The sheriff and his posse sat at the front entrance for three weeks, thinking they'd starve those men up. Well, they didn't, because the men went out the back side of the cave, where there is another exit, and most of them were rounded up while one of them was sent. They were sent to prison. One of them lived through it. When he got out of prison, he disappeared, but following his disappearance, empty leather bags were found outside the back entrance to Colossal Cave,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1055.0,1101.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: which somewhat supports the story that there was a treasure there. Yes, yes, it was there for a while. Anyway. What about any other areas of the rincons that have stories associated with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1102.0,1112.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: them? Doctor, I think if you went over every square mile of Arizona and had somebody who had lived there, you'd probably find a story about lost mine or buried treasure. There is one there. The wagons, the stage coaches, used to come down pantana Wash. But when the Indians were raiding, course, you see, they followed the washes because that was the smoothest path they could get. But when the Indians were raiding through that area, they used to take a shortcut up over the rincons, and there was a corral up on the east face of the Rincon Mountains where these people were. And it is said that they had a treasure with them, gold bullion to pay off the army forces in Arizona. And the Apaches did catch up with them. And that somewhere up there in the rincons that gold is still buried. You know, I used to ride quite a lot in that area, and I found an old corral one time. And I have some oxen shoes, which are the half shoe, the horseshoe is a full and the oxen has a split hoof. I have one of those to this day, but I never found any treasure. I don't think I could find the place again for that, never","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1113.0,1176.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: found any very treasure. Dr green,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1177.0,1180.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you've heard a lot of stories. I've heard many stories about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1181.0,1183.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I've always wondered if beliefs associated with treasure, whether it be buried or otherwise, are the same all over the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1184.0,1189.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yes, they are. For years now, I've been working on an unreadable scholarly book analyzing treasure and mind stories. And in connection with that, I. Have read at least 800 references on Lost mines and buried treasures, some in other languages, and I haven't even scratched the surface, but the beliefs are universal. There are certain days when one can find treasure in Christian belief, just at midnight before Easter, all treasure, all minds open up and show their wealth. They rise to the surface. So if you're out at midnight and you have to be in the right place, you might, might just find discovers","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1190.0,1227.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: them. Yes, tell us about this book you've been working on. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1228.0,1231.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it's, it's, it really isn't readable. It did. What it does is analyze what we call the motifs, the skeleton of the story. There's always a reason why the item was lost, and there's always some explanation of how we happen to know the story today. And there is some reference to what the item is and why it has never been found again, or the fact that it was found and then lost again, which has happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1232.0,1257.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, as I said in the introduction, this book is really a dictionary, then, isn't it? No, that's a difference, a different one. This is a different project. Yes, the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1258.0,1265.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Arizona dictionary of customs and beliefs is part of a national project in which we're trying to analyze for each state in the Union what customs and beliefs are still active. Of course, we all have customs. Our beliefs may change quite a bit, but we all still have beliefs too, though we may not willingly say so out loud until we are questioned rather closely about it. And the Arizona dictionary of customs and beliefs has a collection of something over 100,000 items, individual items on file now, and these are being cataloged and will be published, I hope, within the next three years. But that's a different thing. That's a vast work. It will have something like 104 volumes nationally before it's finished. How long have you yourself been working on it? Oh, about 12 years, off and on. It's not standing time, yes, but that's the way scholarship is,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1266.0,1319.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and that's how you come across all these fascinating stories that you've been relating to us. Yes, that's right, I heard there's one associated with Picacho Peak. Is that correct? Yes, there","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1320.0,1328.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: is. That's called the Lost Bell McKeever. And that is an odd story, because in this case, there were some immigrants passing through, and they were attacked by Indians. The young boy in the family was on the other side of the Salt River, just beyond Boccaccio peak there, and saw the whole thing happen. Reported to the soldiers. The family was all killed, except for the daughter, Belle, and the Indians took her along with them, and when the soldiers went in search of her. Three of the men became separated as a separate platoon, if you can call it group of three, a platoon, and search for but they became lost. Not only lost, but they ran out of water. Their horses were very fatigued, and they took stayed one night, absolutely, utterly exhausted in a wash. The next morning, when they got up to go, one of them was raving mad from thirst. Another one was so weak from hunger that he could hardly stagger. Their horses had all died, and the third one, the third one, who was still pretty much in possession of his faculties, kicked idly and in frustration at a rock and absolutely laid bare a pure vein of gold. And he picked up wash in the wash, yes, you see there was, it was had stone, is why, as wash as well in the bottom. And as he scuffed it, it was just pure gold. And he scraped some of it and put it into his pouch and staggered off into the desert. And that's the day that these three men were found. But for two of them, was too late, and for this sergeant, when they brought him in to the headquarters at McDowell, he was saying, long enough to tell his story and to show the gold, and he looked at it, and he said, gold, gold. It went crazy. And that was the end. They were never","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1329.0,1432.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: able to get the rest of her got the girl either. That's that's interesting. We've heard stories about around the Tucson area. How about all around Yuma, Prescott, northern part of the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1433.0,1442.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: state. There's a marvelous story from Yuma. This goes back to when Coronado was getting ready to explore this part of the world, looking for the another story of Lost Treasure, The Seven Cities of Cibola, the gold cities, and as part of the expedition, the viceroy of Mendoza in Mexico City assigned a small flotilla of ships which would be filled with supplies to for the expedition. They were supposed to meet them, and also one treasure ship for this bishop who was supposed to establish the Seven Cities of Cibola. Well, when they got up near the mouth of the Colorado they were not aware of the fact that there were terrible flash floods. Now, before the days of the dams marked the flash floods in the Colorado River made the Mississippi look like a sissy. Actually, there was a young Navy lieutenant who had been sent out many years after the event I'm talking about, and he arrived at the mouth. The Colorado just after one of these flash floods, and he reported a lake on the California side that extended 25 miles inland. Well, it did, but of course, no one else had seen it. It subsided so rapidly, and it was there. While he was there, he was court martialed and dismissed his service for telling that story. And he was vindicated late in life, in life, his commission was restored, and so on. But well, that's what these men ran into as they were entering these Spaniards on this flotilla ships, as they were about to enter the Delta the Colorado River. Here came this great mountain of water, and they separated. It was a terrible storm in the first place. And one of these ships, the treasure ship wouldn't, you know, floated off into the East, into what is desert. That could be the end of the story, since it was never seen again. Except that, to this day, prospectors report that as they're heading west over those sand dunes south of Yuma that they will see rise up out of the desert the prowl of an ancient looking ship. They don't call it a galleon. That word isn't in the dictionary, an ancient looking ship with tattered sails and men with some kind of shiny armor on and those figures up there will wave at them and apparently be calling out. And these prospectors believe absolutely, if they ever get to that ship before sundown, that they will find a treasure, and maybe they will.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1443.0,1579.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now, that's a real ghost story. Oh, yes, it is. Do you hear many stories about miracles?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1580.0,1584.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yes, yes, there are many miracles. I have a very dear friend whose name I will not use because it might embarrass her, but she is a Spanish speaking American, and she had a terrible time, as many did during the depression years. She told me that one time she was worried because her children had nothing to eat. She was down on the wash searching for weeds that she could cook for them, and she was praying about this, and suddenly she heard a voice say, turn around, and she did. She said, there on the bushes for the $20 bill. Now she says that's a miracle, and I agree with her. Now this kind of thing does happen with people who have a very simple and a very direct faith. I wouldn't say that it happened to everyone. I have when people find out I do not deride this kind of thing, they will tell me stories like this. They believe it. They've had the experience. It's not up to me to say, well, this is nonsense. I know it wasn't nonsense with my friend. It was not I know a story about a woman who lives in the south of town who was widowed, she had several children, and she too was having a very, very hard time. She began praying to St Francis for help, and she had again heard a voice saying, Look under your window. She went outside and looked under her window, and there was money. And she was praying that night, thanks to St Francis for intervening in this way. And she heard a voice say to her, whenever you are in need, pray to Me and then look under your window. She has done it. There's always money there. Dr","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598#t=1585.0,1673.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2323/collection_resources/98276/file/195598/transcript/79225/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Granger, you're a fascinating storyteller. We're out of time. That half hour has just slipped by so rapidly. And I think we got to many of the stories, but there are so many more that we haven't heard. You must come back again and oh, I'm doing a book. Tell us some more stories. Will you do that? Yes, I should. Our guest today has been University of Arizona, Professor of folklore and literature, Dr bird Ranger. I'm Mort beach. Have a good week. 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