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I'm sitting here with Jared Mingus. It is february 18, 2026 and we're doing an oral history about the Downtown Performance Center to be donated to the University of Arizona Special Collections Library. Thanks for joining me today, Jared.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=0.0,12.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Thank you for having me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=13.0,13.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, can you please tell me, how did.. can you please tell me how you discovered and got involved in the Tucson Musik scene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=14.0,20.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, for me that happened in the late 80s after we had moved up to Tucson. My family came from Douglas, and down there I like the culture that I grew up with was mostly just like cowboy stuff, ranch stuff, but I eventually I really got into like skateboarding culture and BMX, and with that, of course, the music that surrounded that was punk rock, and I really, really like punk rock music, but there wasn't much of it down there in Douglas, but I did meet this guy who was from California, Tyson Ratliff, and he had a bunch of music, and so he turned me on to a lot of new bands and stuff that I never heard of, that kind of introduced me to the sound and the culture of punk. And then Douglas was a dying city at the time, and my parents would split up, and then me, my brother, my mom was going to school at university at the time. She was commuting from Douglas to Tucson two or three times a week just to go to school, so it just made sense. The split up, so she moved up here and took my brother and me with her. My sister and dad stayed in Douglas, and we landed on the east side of Tucson in a shitty apartment complex, and the east side of Tucson, as we discussed earlier, was just then and still is just devoid of any kind of culture that I would consider interesting, just Mormons and Republicans mostly living over there still to this day, but there were some few people, like in that apartment complex, that were kind of, you know, dirt bags or skater punks and Hessians and stuff, so I gravitated towards them, and then met some people in junior high, and then later in high school met even more people, but not, not a lot, and I'm talking about a handful of people that were into interesting art, interesting music, and whatnot. People like Rodney Miller, you know, Rodney, he went there, and Jen Calento went to Sabino as well. But there was this girl, Amy Stern, she was a little bit older, and she had a car, and she had some friends that were kind of connected to the Tucson music scene, and she would eventually end up taking us downtown to go to shows, but even before that, we were skaters, so we would come downtown on the on the bus, you know, you get on Sun Trent, come down to skate all day, so you kind of got a sense that there was like more shit happening downtown. Rex Records was around at the time, so you could go there to find records or flyers and whatnot, but it seemed like at that time it was kind of they had less record stock and they were selling like leather jackets and shit like that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=21.0,196.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and Rex was Rex on Fourth Avenue,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=197.0,199.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it was on sixth near Park 6/6 and Park next to the U of A Liquors, which I think is still there. This is before Toxic Ranch came to town, kind of took over that, so we, you know, coming downtown, we could tell that there was shit going on, you see flyers around and stuff like that, and get a sense that there was a scene, there was music going on, but then eventually my sister would move up to Tucson. My parents got back together, but my sister, she had a rough time of it, so she tried to kill herself in high school, and because of that, she ended up in Palo Verde Hospital, just like a mental institute, and there she met a couple of punks that were really involved in the scene, so those girls would take her to shows eventually, and this is the time when, like, blood spasm was around, and they had a house, the blood spasm house. They would party there, and on Fourth Avenue, I think there was a place called the Pink Cadillac Cafe. I never went to either of those places at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=200.0,277.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: The Pink Cadillac was an all ages club, is that what I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=278.0,280.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: think? It was an all ages place, I think it was a cafe, and that was on Fourth Avenue. I think it's a thrift store now, or it's been like a vintage clothing store, but like I said, I never went there or saw any of the bands at the time until later, so the first show I went to was. That the Dodiac,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=281.0,300.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=301.0,301.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I don't even know if that's how you pronounce it, the Diet Doja. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=302.0,307.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: might want to confirm that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=308.0,309.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah. And I don't know, I don't know how we found out about that place specifically, but I do remember the first show that I went to, there was SNFU and Beowulf and the local band called What Went Wrong played,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=310.0,324.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay, and that's where Solar Culture eventually..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=325.0,329.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: this is the same building that's now Solar Culture, and it was run by Steve, who would eventually open the Downtown Performance Center, and so after discovering that first show, we went to every show we could there because it was just enamored by the culture and totally drawn to it, and Steve had come from Philadelphia, and he was really involved in the first wave of hardcore bands there. He came, he came out with Bruce and this other guy, Mike Cole, and Mike Cole played a band called Why Die, Ydi. They're semi-legendary in like hardcore circles, and they put out a real sought-after seven inch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=330.0,372.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: They were from Tucson, or they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=373.0,373.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: were from Philadelphia. Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=374.0,374.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Philadelphia. Okay, okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=375.0,376.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: they all came out together, those three, but they were involved in that scene, so they knew all the players, and you know, Mike Cole, I used to work with him at Rocco's, and he would tell me stories about, you know, the misfits and bad brains, and those guys were all friends, so when, when they ended up in Tucson, they had those connections, so Steve, when those bands would come through, he would put them on first at the Diack and then later at the Downtown Performance Center. So I think it was his connections with the scene that the old scene that made the scene in the 90s so incredible, and a lot of those bands from the first wave of hardcore in the early 90s would have new bands with new sounds, you know, all those DC hardcore bands ended up doing the, you know, that post hardcore sound, and a lot of those bands came through the DPC, but he, in Dodiac, he had lots of trouble, I remember the, I think the second show I went to, somebody like threw a beer bottle at a cop car, and so he was getting shut down by the cops, and it was, it was very underground, he was, it was his, just the warehouse that he lived in, that was also his studio space, and his, you know, it was an art gallery as well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=377.0,459.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=460.0,460.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: then you could open it up for four bands occasionally, but go ahead,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=461.0,467.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: that was an all ages space as well, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=468.0,469.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, it was always all ages, no alcohol, no drugs, always was his policy, and shows would start like at 10 on weeknights. so he had, he had problems, I think, keeping that as like a place where he wasn't going to get harassed, so I think eventually he sought like a better venue where he could kind of do it more legit, and and didn't, so he wouldn't maybe have that shit happening in his house. I remember seeing a bandit at the Dodiac. I can't remember their name, but the singer had brought this big hibachi grill while they were playing and put a TV in it and doused it in fucking lighter fluid and lit it on fire, and in the whole place filled up with toxic fucking plastic smoke. The whole place, and he just cleared out, you know. Everybody fucking left because they couldn't breathe. So, you know, having shit like that going on in your house, I could imagine would want him to, you know, have a more, more legitimate space. I don't think he, he cared. I don't think he minded the chaos, but nobody wants that happening in their house,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=470.0,542.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so he was, he was actually living in that space as well, too, as well as being in an artist space.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=543.0,546.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=547.0,547.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=548.0,547.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I think he's lived there since then. He might still be there, and still doing the same thing. He still puts on shows. I mean, it became solar culture eventually after the DPC was folded, you know, after it finished,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=548.0,563.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so you're still under 21 when you first started going to die.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=564.0,566.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I was in high school at that time, and the junior high, probably when it, when it first, so I'm probably around, you know, 1415, years old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=567.0,577.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay, so what was the crowd like Dodi? Like, I've done some research, and Steve has said in an interview that that was more of an artsy crowd, as I think he put it, had studio art there and sculptures and that kind of thing. Yeah, so reflected the thing in the audience, audience members.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=578.0,594.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, the audience members, the shows I went to were hardcore punk bands, so. That's the type of people I remember from there, and also I was, I was young and new to the scene, so there was like an intimidation factor. These older people have been doing it for a long time, you know. So it's to me the impression I got when it was like older punks that were really involved in doing art, of course, music, but it was, yeah, it was an art gallery, and he might have had like different types of shows with different sounds, you know, that I, that didn't appeal to me, and there were probably lots, just lots of shows that I didn't see. I don't know how long that space existed before I first went there, but I think after I went there, probably was around for less than a year, and I probably saw maybe half a dozen shows there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=595.0,650.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did you ever get a chance to interact with the older punks?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=651.0,653.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, yeah, I've offended quite a few of them, eventually, like the first show that I went to, there I was, I was real timid, and I can't remember who I was with, but there was some older guy who I knew, and, and Terry Trash was there, and I said, my friend, like, oh, that dude looks like Sid Vicious, and my friend was like, hey, hey, Terry, do you like Sid Vicious, and I was just like, scared, you know? If this fuck, because he's a fucking.. looked like a psycho, you know? And I was afraid that, you know, if this guy didn't like Sid Vicious, he's gonna be like, this guy said, you like Sid Vicious, and it's gonna be fun problem, you know. But Terry was just like, yeah, he's pretty cool, you know. So, so that that intimidation I think quickly lifted after I actually met some of these people, and they were actually really quite nice and cool people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=654.0,707.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Cool was there any official closing of Dodik, or did this kind of..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=708.0,713.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I don't think they had like this was our last show, the way I remembered it just kind of transitioned into the DPC because I think the cops had, I know, at least at one point they shut him down. Fugazi was supposed to play there, I think, and I think it was the week after that that someone had thrown that bottle at the cop car, so that should have got canceled. But Fugazi did play there a different time later,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=714.0,740.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and you into that show?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=741.0,741.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I did see them the second time. They were playing with, they played with Manzoula and Fuel, two bands from the Bay Area, and I remember that show because people were slam dancing there, and Fugazi, you know, they were like, I was really young at the time, but they were like, you know, you guys shouldn't be doing this, and like, you guys need to be doing something new, and to me it was all new, so, and I loved Slam Dance at the time, so I was just kind of like, fuck this guy, and I love their music, and all I knew about Fugazi before that was it was guys from Minor Threat, and I didn't even know Minor Threat had broken up at that time. This is, you know, maybe seven years after they had called it quits or whatever. So, like I said, it was all new to me. It was hard to find information about that scene, but you know, when he was saying that, I remember Rick Varian from American Death Treat was just yelling at us. Fuck you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=742.0,803.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: How were you getting information about the pump scene as it was coming out at that point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=804.0,807.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, there was fanzines, but of course, most of them weren't localized. There was Flipside and Maxim rock and roll, of course, but it locally, it would, you'd have to get from other people or places like Rex Records, and also eventually Toxic Finch would open. There was a place called Zips on the east side, it was a record store, and actually couldn't think of it. There were two places on the east side that there were kind of hubs of that culture. First one was called Hot Topic, and it was a skate shop, and it has nothing to do with the Hot Topic mall punk store. It's just a skateboard shop on the east side over at Kolb and Speedway, and a lot of, you know, skater punks would show up there and there was like places to skate around there, so we met a lot of people through that, and then later there was another skate shop called Itchy Foot Mose, and Itchy Foot Mose was run by this guy named Eli, and he was a singer of the Band Dover Trench, like a metal thrash band, and they were involved in the scene and the hardcore scene, because their drummer Matt Pimple.. no, I think the drummer's name was Danny Pimple, and his brother Matt Pimple was the guy that produced some Lady Seed stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=808.0,891.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=892.0,892.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So they would have like skate demos, and the first.. the first live band I ever saw, it wasn't a show per se, like. SNFU, when I saw that at the Dyke, but this band, local band called Corpse Grinder, played a demo outside of Itchy Foot Mose, and they were fucking intense, like musically, and also like their singer just looked like he was fucking insane, so that kind of shit had a big impression on me, so that's kind of where we find out about stuff, but also like I remember just being out skateboarding with my friend Aaron on the East Side, and at Broadway and Wilmot, we were getting ready to turn right in the turn lane, and just there was a flyer staple on the on the telephone pole, and he stopped and pulled it, pulled it down. It was first show at the Dodac.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=893.0,939.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, wow. Interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=940.0,940.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So that might have been how we found out about it, or at least that particular show. That's how we found out about that show.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=941.0,946.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: They had coverage on Issa, getting us full of this. Nobody","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=947.0,948.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was out there, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=949.0,950.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: That's interesting. So did I? Essentially, morphs into the DPC, and you started going there from the very beginning. It sounds like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=951.0,959.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, I was at the first show there, and the second show, and I don't remember much about the first show, but I do remember Ice Nine played, and they were a hardcore band that I'd seen before at Dodiac, and they were really good, underrated band. Their guitar player would eventually play with American Death Tre, too, who had a big influence on me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=960.0,979.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Ice Nine was a local band,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=980.0,981.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, and there was also another local band called Ice Nine that was like an acoustic trio,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=982.0,985.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=986.0,986.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and it's an overused name because I'm reading the this history of Portland punk, the first wave of Portland punk, there was a band called Ice Nine, there, of course, so, so that was the first show, and to tell you the truth, it was kind of underwhelming the venue itself, because the Dodiac was this cool ass shotgun building with super high ceiling and big stage and art just everywhere, and the Dodiac, or the DPC, at that time when it first opened, was just this big empty warehouse. They didn't have time to, you know, develop it yet, and the stage on that time was on the east end, and it would eventually be moved to the north end. And the second show was raining, and there was just rain coming down inside, you know. So it took a while to develop into what it did,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=987.0,1041.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and so I'm curious about the layout of the DPC at that time. Did they have concessions they were selling at that point, or does that remember? I don't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1042.0,1051.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: remember them ever having concessions at that point. It was like I said, just an empty warehouse room for the toilet bathroom stage on that end, eventually they would build like a sound booth, and they built like, you know, a marquee box thing where you take money and tickets for somebody who's sitting there, and then eventually, for a while, there was a zine library as well. 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I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1140.0,1143.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: just, just casual, he might, he probably wouldn't even remember me, or maybe he would, but he would just, you know, he's kind of a quiet, stoic kind of guy, and hard to read, and I knew other, a lot of my friends got much closer to him. My ex-girlfriend, Michelle, he worked at DPC, and she did modeling for him, because he was a sculptor, so she knew him better than I did, and he seemed.. he seemed old to me. He seemed like an adult, but also like a kid at the same time, an adult, and that he was responsible, and could, and could make what happened there happen, which to me seems like a lot of work, and, and you know, he was doing it without, you know, it was, it wasn't like a job, he wasn't getting really paid to do it, so it was a passion, and he was able to. To manifest that passion, which seems mature to me, but also he seemed like a kid. He used to punk rock and doing art all day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1144.0,1209.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I remember him walking around, kind of just.. 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He wasn't, he didn't come off with any kind of authority, you know, even like if he were drinking or smoking pot, he would just kind of be like, guys, come on, you know, even tell you, you know, stop doing that or get the fuck out of here, and I think maybe that, like, friendliness, that openness something that was cool, you know, because it wasn't like it felt like more like peers than you know went to somewhere like The Rock, they had like security and the staff and all this shit, and felt really official to go to a venue like that, the rock was called Mud Bugs at the time, but you know Steve's place was just very laid back, like even if you were drinking, you know, and he did ask you to do it, and you did stop, nothing was gonna fucking happen. 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She would just work the door,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1281.0,1284.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: work the door.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1285.0,1284.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, and I think also she would cook for the bands. Sometimes he would host the bands. I don't know, I don't know if he put them up, the touring bands, or just have him stay at the Diack, but I remember her telling me that she, she gave me a Drive Like Jehu t-shirt, one point that she got from Drive Like Jehu, because she cooked them dinner for before the show, they played there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1285.0,1309.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Interesting, so he would feed the bands, the touring band, I think,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1310.0,1312.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I guess, so yeah, I mean, obviously that time they did, she cooked for them some of those times, so,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1313.0,1320.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so, um what type of folks were attending shows there? Any impressions of the crowds?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1321.0,1326.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, it was a lot of skater punks and artists and musicians, of course. There'd be shows where, you know, local band was playing, and 90% of the people watching also played in local bands, so a lot of other positions, and my first impressions of Dodiac was that, like, it seemed like the people attending Dodik were from downtown, maybe like Tucson High kids and other just downtown artists, but the DPC felt more like it was attracting kids from all over the city, like that group of people I knew on the East Side. We all ended up going downtown to see shows there, and then there would be kids coming from, like, Michelle went to Cholla High School, so the kids from the West Side would be coming. There were guys from the South Side coming, and some bands from the South Side. There's also guys from the North Side, like the Bad Ground Work. Then there's another band called Suspended Animation and Soul Fish. Those, I think, all those guys were coming from the North Side. And then there was, like, the Sierra Vista guys and Bisbee bands, like Headspace and Malik, youth, of course, would come up and bring lots of their friends with them, and then even Nogales guys like my friend Jimmy Teacher would come up. He was living in Nogales at the time, him and Hector Jaime, who would eventually be in the Weird Lovemakers, they would come up for shows, so the DPC felt more like a hub that was drawing all these different kids that probably at their high school there was probably only, you know, a dozen people like them there, but when they came downtown, they found hundreds of kids just like them,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1327.0,1436.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so it was opening up, sort of building this this sense of community for punk rockers, or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1437.0,1442.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, it did for me, and community beyond just, you know, my little circle of friends on the east side of people, you know, large community of people that I could relate to, get along with.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1443.0,1454.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did you start hanging out with these people socially outside of shows, people from different parts of town?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1455.0,1459.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I started bands with a lot of them,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1460.0,1462.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so that's a nice segue. You mentioned you were in bands that played the DPC. What was it like as a musician playing there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1463.0,1472.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, it was, it was cool because it was a place where you could play. I played in three different bands that that played there, and and they were three, three different, very different experiences. The first one was Block, and Block was part of a group of bands that were kind of like the first bands that were formed by the kids going there, whereas, like, when it opened up, it was band. Like Ice Nine was playing American Death Tre, Williams Youth, they all were around before that, but bands like Fuzz and Spill Blanket and Block and Jason's Cat Died were kind of, kind of came out of that little scene, so when the first band I played in there was Block, and to this day, like that band has drawn the biggest crowd that I've ever played in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1473.0,1526.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Block, how did you spell that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1527.0,1527.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: B L O C K,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1528.0,1528.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: just like Block. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1529.0,1529.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: we called ourselves Clutch when we first started, but then there was this band from North Carolina that had that name, so we changed it to Block, and we were really bad, we sucked, but we had these huge crowds, and it's because all these people were coalescing from different places around the city, and we were playing with other bands like Fuzz and Spill Bank, Jason's Cat Died, who were doing the same, they're bringing all their friends to these shows, so the shows were really big, but playing there, it was the shows were great, but the our band wasn't, and sometimes it was embarrassing because our drummer just sucked, and and he would, you know, we'd, he would fuck at the song, and he would just stop playing, and and he would, he wouldn't get back, he'd get the beat back going, you know. He would wait till the rest of us stopped playing, and we turn around, like, what the fuck? We either start the song over, or we just move on to the next one. And we're doing this in front of, you know, 200 people, so that was kind of embarrassing. But it was a learning experience, and having a venue to do that in was was pretty fucking awesome, and it probably, you know, helped encourage me to, you know, I'm still doing this, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1530.0,1608.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: still playing music, still","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1609.0,1609.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: playing music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1610.0,1610.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: What kind of music was a block?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1611.0,1612.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, that's another thing I don't know how to describe it. We were listening to, we weren't really punk, I wanted to be in a punk band at the time, but we were listening to stuff like Alice Donut and Sam I Am, so like melodic emo, but I think the guitar player and the drummer were into stuff like 311 and other stuff, so we, you know, it all kind of clashed into whatever we sounded like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1613.0,1644.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: with the crass receptive to that type of like punk or hardcore, because when I went, or more melodic stuff, because when I think of the DPC, my early years is very focused on, but this is, you know, indicative of the type of meets that I was into, I was gonna do a lot of hardcore shows,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1645.0,1660.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1661.0,1660.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So I'm very curious to see what the reception or the scene was around more of the melodic, quote unquote, emo, emo core stuff that was coming out at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1661.0,1668.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I love that stuff at the time, and I think there was a lot of interest in it. Like I said, there was Soul Fish, was kind of an emo band coming down from the North Side, and then the second band I played with in there was called Hobart, and Hobart was made up of guys that were from this band called Slag, which was kind of like hardcore, but then when we started Hobart, it was way more emo, and a couple other bands kind of exploring that sound at the time, but like really there was all kinds of different sounds, he was bringing bands from all over the world and all over the country, and you know that there was just lots of variety in the in the sounds, all underground sounds, so yeah, like everything at that time, the early the block years, it seemed like everybody was receptive to everything, and and I personally sponged it up and seemed like everybody else there was as well, and there were lots of bands exploring different sounds, like there would be Scott, like there was this big Scott wave in the 90s, a lot of those bands played, there was a local band called Dave's Big Deluxe that did ska, and band called Itsy Bitsy Spider that was doing like funk stuff, you know, White Boy Funk, and the band Spill Blanket went through this crazy transformation because they started as this white boy funk band, and by the time they ended, their sound was kind of more like what Apple Drive-In would eventually do. It kind of predated that kind of stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1669.0,1774.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: It's a pretty interesting evolution.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1775.0,1776.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It is very interesting, and they're very underrated band, I think, and they recorded this incredible LP that never came out. Oh, really","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1777.0,1785.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: interesting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1786.0,1785.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I think all they ever released it was a seven inch and then a split seven inch with Fuzz, but they were fucking incredible. In fact, I still play in a band with their bass player, Brandon Ugstat. To this day, cool. I've been playing with him. He joined Hobart after Spill Blanket had split up. He was playing drums in this band called Absence, which was a hardcore band that had guys from Groundwork in it. So, when our drummer left town for Hobart, he took over drums, and that was like 1996 And me and him have been playing in bands ever since then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1786.0,1822.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: You miss the third band you played on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1823.0,1825.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Beer Gut, so Hobart, Hobart didn't have a lot of positive reception for whatever reason. I think, yeah, I don't know why, but but Beer Gut was duly hated across the board, Beer Gut. We formed after the night after we had seen Scared of Chaka play at Pizza City, and I mentioned that I wanted to be in a punk band, and that seeing Scared of Chaka was very encouraging. We were like, let's go fucking start a band like that. So Beer Gut was Zach who sang in block playing drums, and me, who played bass and block playing guitar, and our friend Harold played bass, and then we had our singer Aaron, whose nickname was Pin at the time, and Pin liked to drink a lot of beer at the time, and he would, you know, get drunk, and you know, do stupid shit, get in fights, or like break into.. I remember one time he like broke this window at this gas station and just stole some cigarettes, do stupid shit like that. The beer gut was was way more generic sounding than both those other bands, and not very good, but also not very liked either. So, the shows that beer got played there were a lot smaller than previous shows, but I think all those bands were like hated by Bruce, who was the sound man there, and I've recently gone back and gone through like some old VHS tapes, and I found a couple Beer Gut and Block playing at the DPC, and it's obvious why he fucking hated us, and all that hate was completely justified, like I said. Bruce had been around, he'd probably been doing sound for those hardcore bands back in the 80s, and, and you know, a band like Block was just not, not well practiced. You know, we were playing out well before we should have, and he's trying to run sound for a man who can't even fucking finish a song, so like at the time you know I read it as just a grumpy sound man, and that's kind of a stereotype of the sound man, they're just like grumpy, grumpy old guys that don't seem to like what they're doing, and and Bruce definitely is that guy, but now I understand why. I guess","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1826.0,1982.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so. So, you mentioned people didn't like beer gut specifically. Is that because of the music or because of the personality? I think I think both. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1983.0,1990.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, because the music just was like I said, it was more generic, but Pin, like you know, he would, he would get fights, he kept fights with people, and this one guy, eventually he was at a party, he was at the party next door to Toxic Ranch, this dude, Alvin, lived there at the time, and he was intimidating this kid, you know, being a dick to him, and you know they were like eventually take it outside, so the kid went out first, and he grabbed a sign, and when Pin got up there, he fucking just the kid just started beating the shit out of him with it, wrecked his face, so I think he kind of calmed down after that, and since then I mean it was shortly after that he ended up getting sober, and he's been quite the upstanding citizen ever since then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=1991.0,2049.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, who's you doing the booking at DVC with Steve?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2050.0,2054.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I don't remember directly dealing with Steve as far as booking is concerned, in fact, most of my bands I never do, and I don't ever remember actually like approaching him, being like, \"Hey, can you give us a show? But other guys in the band might have, and I think in that band, particularly, Rodney and Zach were the singers, and I think they were the ones that were kind of like making all those connections, they were they were both good front men and way more personal than I was, so I think they were the ones that were dealing with Steve at the time, and I think maybe at first we approached him, or we told him, \"Oh, we got a band, you know, let us play, and I think when he saw the crowds that we could draw, he. Didn't ask us to play like you know shows that he needed, needed people to show up for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2055.0,2106.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did you guys ever get paid as local fans?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2107.0,2109.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: That's something I don't really remember either. I'm sure he did maybe offer us, but most of my life, like the policy I've kind of kept is that if you're, if you're playing with the touring band, just give them the money, and definitely at that time the money would have been like pretty insignificant, I think. So I don't remember ever making any money at shows back then, but I really didn't care at the time, and don't know, for the most part, we're just playing in town. I really don't care, unless it's a really big show. Some of the shows we play now, it's like you're playing with a band that already has a guarantee, you know, so you know that they're they're getting their money. So I don't mind taking money on those types of shows, but mostly when I play locally, never really unpaid. I'm sure he took care of the touring bands. I would hope. I don't know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2110.0,2163.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: how often were you frequenting the DVC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2164.0,2168.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I would go every chance I would get. He had a pretty regular schedule, so like there'd probably be five or six shows a month, maybe more, and I would go to every one of those I could, I'd have to see a list, complete list of shows to know exactly how often I went or what percentage of shows I saw there, you know, but you know, at the time I was in high school and living on the East Side, and I didn't have a car, never had a car, so I was always relying on friends that did have cars to go to those shows. In fact, when Fugazi played at the Doddy at Pin Aaron, he fucking ditched me. He used my ride down there, and I walked home to East Side after that show. Took me all night, so when I was younger, you know, I went there as often as I could, but I was dependent on other people. But as soon as I graduated high school, which was 1992 I moved downtown, and I was in, you know, just walk or ride a bike down there, so I went there more often. Then, of course,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2169.0,2238.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah, you know, I had a similar experience. I grew up on the East Side, and you had to bum rides,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2239.0,2242.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2243.0,2243.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: because the sun trans stopped, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2244.0,2244.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: you could, we come down and skate the day, but, like, come to a show, you'd have to have,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2245.0,2248.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2249.0,2249.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and, like, I said, shows would start DPC at 10 o'clock, wait,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2250.0,2254.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I certainly never walked back, yeah, although that was the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2255.0,2257.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: only time that happened,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2258.0,2259.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so since you attended so many shows and seemingly played a lot of shows, there any memorable experiences shows you have to share?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2260.0,2269.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, well, there were lots of memorable shows and lots of memorable bands, and I kind of, you know, I was influenced by a lot of the bands. There were lots of touring bands, lots of local bands, but the touring bands, of course, made a big impression on me, and some of the bands were just top fucking notch. So, like, three, there were three shows that really made an impression. One was the Melvins, and they played there when the stage was still on the east side, and to this day they were the loudest band I've ever heard, and they, you know, they came out and just did fucking feedback for 15 minutes, that was the first thing they did, so it was like, oh, I opened, like, because a lot of the hardcore bands, they just, it was all about speed and energy, and they came out and just fucking played as slow as they could, but it was heavy and intimidating, but it kind of gave you the sense that you know you can kind of do anything with this, this music, this blueprint of, you know, whatever it is, and then there was a more traditional band from England called Thatcher on Acid, and they were kind of came out of like the the late peace punk scene, and they had like some folk tendencies, but they were basically a punk band, and they were incredible at the time. There was this set of steps that led up to the stage, like right in front, and they were just a great band, but they had this one song where it was like it kind of, they broke it down, you know, and the singer was like, you know, anybody that wants to come up and say something can take the mic, so like one by one, like people would come up and, you know, some people would just like start singing, and the band would react to it, like one guy went up there and just like read a poem, and other people did other things, so, so that was really cool. I'd never seen anything like that. You didn't see a lot of improvisation in punk rock, you know, or, you know, it's kind of like a blues thing, maybe, but. That was pretty incredible, and there was a Scottish band that came through called Dog Faced Hermans, and they were really interesting because they had a fucking crazy sound, but they also had the lead singer, she would play this clarinet, which is something you don't ever see punk rock, you know, and they were pretty incredible band. So, like, those three bands really had big impressions on me. There were lots of bands that were coming from San Diego that were playing like a style that was like really hard, like dried like Jehu or No Knife or Tanner. I didn't see Creedle, but they played there, and my drummer, Andy, saw that show, and he talks about it to this day, but also in the early 90s, there was this acid wave coming through Tucson, and I didn't take a lot of acid, but there were three shows that I did take acid at, there, and they were all very intense, and two of them were like really negative experiences. One of them, one of the first one was Alice Donut, and that band had a huge influence on Block, like I said, we just fucking love them, and they were coming through on tour for the album, it was called The Untidy Suicides of Your Degenerate Children, or something like that, and they were like a weird band, at least their lyrics were kind of weird and dark and funny at the same time, but they had this friend of theirs was a performance artist, and he's a guy that appears on a number of their albums, and he appeared, he was on the cover of that album, and he was on tour with him at the time, so he opened up the show, or before Alice Donut played, he went out there and did like this 20 minute like spoken word thing, and I was in the back, just fucking tripping, and what he was saying was so strange, and just didn't register in my brain. Was talking about he was talking about being a suicide artist, and talking about all the times that he killed himself. He was very strange looking guy. If you look at their album covers, testify to that, but so that was a weird experience. And then they started playing, and they were fucking incredible, great man. So the other time that I took acid, there was at the neurosis show, neurosis. They were coming through on the album called Souls of Zero, and they were incredible, man. They were kind of like the Melvins that they were. They started as a hardcore band, but they at that time had slowed down and were really heavy and kind of laying down the blueprint for what would become like Do Metal, and loved them. And that album was incredible. So they came through, and I took acid at that show, which was a mistake, because they, the band, was really good, but they had this guy that did visuals with them, and he would just project images behind them on the screen while they were playing, and some of the images were just the most horrifying shit you've ever seen, you know, like concentration camp, bodies being dug up and stuff like that in mass, so that was intense. And then there was this dude in front of the right front, like fucking with the band the whole time, and the lead singer, who played guitar as well, and eventually took his guitar off, and just started beating the shit out of this guy with his fucking guitar, and it's fucking insane. I'm just watching this whole thing go down, like wondering if it's really going down. You know what I'm seeing is real, because then he's doing it for these fucking horrible images. You know, but years later I was living in Flagstaff and playing in a band with this guy Sean Mahoney, who back at the DPC he used to play down here a lot because he was in band called Primitive Tribes, and I remember telling him that story about that neurosis show, and he's like, \"Dude, I was at that show and I was at that show I saw neurosis the night before in Phoenix, and he said that dude was there that same night, and just giving them shit the whole time they were playing. So I guess it was this build up from the night before, and I don't know what I think Steve on Till is his name, he just fucking lost it, just went off on this guy, fucking intense. The third show I saw on Acid, there was Crash Worship. We're also from San Diego. Has anyone told you about Crash Worship show?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2270.0,2693.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: This, this looms large. It was one of the most intense","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2694.0,2695.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: nights of my life, I. Yeah, and we didn't know anything about I didn't know who Crash Worship was or what their deal was, but we, the word was out that, like, this band check him out on acid, right? So Rodney, we were on the east side, Rodney had a bunch of acid, he gave us acid, he drove us down there in his van, he had this fucking van we called Chester, because it's total child molester van and he would drive it like this, he'd be leaning back and have the foot on the gas and then his other foot on the steering wheel, drive like that, we all loaded up, you know, van full of us on acid went down there, and so what crash worship is their sound is just mostly tribal drumming with crazy drone bass going over it, but they would put on this show that was insane and intense, and there were.. it was the most crowded I've ever seen to DPC, inside and out. Both spaces were fucking packed with people, and they started playing, and acids kicking in, and I go inside to check it out, and the music itself is very hypnotizing, because it's just tribal drumming, and you get lost in that rhythm, and it seemed like everybody was getting lost in that rhythm, and at the same time, people that came with Crash Worship, there was some of them walking around with big bags of wine, and just giving it to anybody they wanted, you know, free wine, but then there's also people coming around with like big like torches, and they throw a torch on the ground, and then they throw like a fucking brick of fireworks on that, and so it's fucking flying off, and the band's going off, so places filling with smoke and heat and energy, and people having sex over by the stage in public, and I was over by the over by the fucking zine library, and I was standing up on something, just kind of watching it all go down. I remember Rick of Arian came up to me, and he was just like looking up at me, he's like, 'Watch him go, look at him go. I'm just like, 'Yeah, this is fucking insane. So it was too much, so I went outside, and I found Aaron, and before we had taken acid, Aaron was like, 'Hey, you know, it'd be fucking funny. He's like, 'I pissed my pants tonight. We were like, 'Yeah, that would be fucking hilarious, right? So, like, me and Aaron were standing outside just trying to get some fresh air, and it was packed out there too, like people just, you know, really close to each other, which wasn't the case generally, you know, because that's the parking lot, just didn't get full, but there were so many people there, and I remember standing there talking to Aaron and everybody else around there, it seemed like nobody was moving to me, my perception of at the time, except this one guy who I saw like running through the crowd, like zigzagging through the crowd, and but I wondered if it was even real, you know, because it could have just been, I was paying attention, but he kept kind of getting closer to where me and Aaron were coming, and when he got to about where you are, there was a guy standing. I was looking this way, and that guy came right up behind that guy and fucking hit him on the head with a bottle, and me and Aaron were just showered with the glass, and this fucking chaos scene broke out, and people started fighting, you know. So we got the fuck away from there, and went ran over in the shadows over by the DPC. This was on the other side where this happened, and this crazy fucking fight went down, and the guy who had broken the bottle on the guy's head eventually got away and got on a scooter. He had a little moped, or whatever, and he fucking hauled ass through this crowded fucking ass parking lot and got to where the alley was and tried to turn but everybody was chasing at that time and he fucking slammed into the fence and fucking jumped on him and started fucking beating the shit out of him again and me and Aaron were over there standing in the shadow just watching all this go down fucking tripping on acid. So then Aaron looks down, he's like, \"Oh shit, dude, I pissed myself, fucking crack it up. But then when we got over into the light, we could see that it wasn't piss, it was blood. He got this piece of glass fucking stuck in his leg, and it was just fucking draining out all over his leg, so I don't know, he must have kept it together. I remember him keeping it together pretty well, but I think I was losing it, so I went to maybe find somebody, and I lost track of Aaron, but then I found somebody, I think probably his brother and we were looking for Aaron, then, and so we were over by stone, and this car just comes fucking hauling ass, and like screeches and stops, and this girl says, \"We took your friend to the hospital, and then it's fucking hauls off again, fucking so we're like, \"Fuck this. So somehow we got to the hospital. I don't even know how, and we're waiting. I don't even know how long for Aaron, and he said they wanted to give him stitches, but he told him not to, because but he kept together. Nobody fucking revealed they were on acid, and eventually we ended up back on the East Side. I don't know how we got there, but I remember Jen Clenta, who was with us, we're back at Aaron's brother's house, and we lost Jen, so looking all over for her, and eventually we found her in this room, just like sitting in the corner in the dark, scratching yourself. So it was that was a fucking insane night. Crash worship, talk to anybody about that show, because I'm sure Freddie has fucking similar experience. I remember seeing them years later at the Double Zero, not on acid, but and it wasn't what that wild show was, just like the drums, I think they didn't have the crazy fucking other stuff going on, but that their music was hypnotizing, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=2696.0,3062.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah, there's a lot of people have mentioned I've been in communications with about this project, specifically about that show. How it was like a defining moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3063.0,3070.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, years later I was on tour with Los Federales, and we had broke down in Oakland, and I was filling in for them because Chris Vlasic, who played in Jason's Cat Died in Yellow Brick Road Kill, he was the bass player for List Federalities at the time, and they had all planned on moving to the Bay Area, but only Chris did, or Chris did first. So I played bass on their last tour, but we stayed with Chris, and he was living with one of the dudes from Crash Worship, and we had played a show there. This guy had pretty serious mental problems, because, like, right when we sent ended our set, he, like, took the microphone, he just started banging it on our drum set, and started flipping out, yelling, and throwing shit. Then he went upstairs, and there were a group of people hanging out in front of the venue. They lived upstairs above the venue, and he just took his fucking microwave and just threw it out the window, and it fucking like almost cracked somebody's fucking head open. So you know that chaos was inherent, I think, to whatever trash worship was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3071.0,3135.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: spilled out into all aspects of their life. Yeah, the creative process, I suppose you attended the DPC the entire duration it was open. Yeah, did you, did you notice it changed at all, any capacity? Or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3136.0,3150.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, it felt like it got darker, something about it was darker, and it felt like by the time it ended that it should have ended, and I think that show that you went to, that Beer Gut show, might have a lot to do with it, because Aaron, the singer bear, there was a guy living at the DPC at the time, I think, just helping out, helping Bruce, I think he was probably homeless, but Bruce was letting live there, and you know, do work around there, and Aaron fucking hated that guy for some reason, and we played that show, and he got all fucking drunk, and I think he was like calling DPC, like, like, crink calling that guy, and he eventually went back there, and he took a shit on the on the doorstep, the DPC, and I think that was like one of those final straws where Steve and Bruce are like, 'fuck this, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3151.0,3205.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3206.0,3205.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but I don't know that I think that was my speculation at the time, because it was shortly after that that it closed down, and I think they just had enough of, I don't know, the whole thing is a lot of work for not a lot of reward, and it seemed like some shows just weren't nearly as big, you know. The shows I played with those other two bands, they weren't as big, and you know, part of that reason might be just those bands weren't as good, but I think just that first wave was people got older, and you know, a lot of them were in high school, so after high school, people just dissipate, you know, they leave town or they get busy in college life or whatever. So it did feel like it changed quite a bit. The scene changed quite a bit. It's hard to really articulate how, though. I guess sometimes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3206.0,3260.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: How do you feel that its closing affected the TSA Music scene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3261.0,3264.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, for a while it kind of drove it back into like house parties, and at that time I was old enough to go see bar shows, you know, so I started seeing more shows there, but then there were also like random warehouses and storefronts that would put on shows that people would, you know, put on for just one or two shows at, or until the cops, you know, shut them down. There'd be party houses. We had a party house off of Hoff Avenue. We would do shows there, we. But eventually Scrappies got opened and, and it kind of filled that, that space of that all ages like that, that need for a space where kids could gather and network and start bands, whatever, so eventually Scrappys will come along, and Scrappys was run by Kathy, and Kathy's Kathy had two sons that went to 10 shows at DPC, and I think she just wanted that, she wanted there to be that kind of space, but Scrappys felt very different to me than the DPC, a lot of our bands at the time played there, Hobart Bridge That Gap, and then I was in other bands like The Blacks and this band called Suicide Lane that would play Scrappy, and Scrappys felt different, not just because it was like there was like a new, a new crop of kids that, that I didn't know, but also Kathy was more willing to do it more officially, you know. She would talk to city council about getting venues, and I think Steve did deal with city council to some degree, but he never formed any kind of partnership with them. Everything he did was like a very do-it-yourself kind of endeavor, whereas Kathy kind of wanted like an official kind of youth club, and I think her spirits kind of the spirit that Scrappy has had is more in line with what Groundworks has now, which is, you know, youth venue live music happens, but it's very, very official, seeming, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3265.0,3413.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3414.0,3414.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: they do youth programs and whatnot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3415.0,3417.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: There's that Scrappy's that first opened on Oracle, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3418.0,3420.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, yeah. that was the first venue. They had quite a few. The first one was a tiny, small, little used to be a bar off of Oracle. And then they had a venue that was downtown for a while, next to the Julian Drew Apartments, and then eventually they would get that Rialto building, and then before they closed down, they had 191 tool was scrappies for a while, maybe that was before, no, that was that was before they closed, that was after","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3421.0,3453.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Rialto,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3454.0,3454.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and the Rialto, they had their own problems with that guy that got shot there, so you know, I mentioned a couple violent things about DVC, but it never really felt like a violent place to me, and Scott, he didn't either, but you know, when you get those kinds of people together, it's bound to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3455.0,3475.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I know that, Steve, one of the main reasons he closed it was the kids outside in the parking lot messing with the neighbors and doing drugs and drinking? You obviously saw that quite a bit when you were attending the PC. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3476.0,3488.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, I didn't know. I'm sure he had problems with the neighbors, but most of the stuff at the time, you know, at that area was closed after 5o'clock so it wasn't like open businesses, but there was probably vandalism, all kinds of stuff, and they had tried to open another venue, the Luna Loca Cafe. They did, it was a cafe that served food, but they also put on shows there, and those shows kind of overlapped with the DPC, and then I think it DPC closed, and they kept doing Lunga Loca for a while, so I guess that was kind of like an attempt to kind of legitimize certain things, like having a cafe, everything, but yeah, I could see the problems with the neighbors. I remember one time we were at a show, and I had this big orange van, and a bunch of us were in the van smoking pot. I just got a huge bag pot, and there were probably, you know, like six or seven people, and luckily the van had blackout tint on it because we're in the van just hanging out smoking pot and this kid walks up and starts spray painting right there on the wall at the DPC and then at the same time this fucking cop car drives by and sees him doing that so he backs up the kid fucking sees the cop and throws the can underneath the van and tries to run, but they catch him, so now it's this big fucking crime scene. They're taking pictures of the thing, and they got the kid all cuffed up, and we're in the van, like, fucking, you know, trying to shut up and, like, not give our presence up as it's surrounded by cops and. And it kind of sounds funny now, but you know, at the time, like it was a big deal to have pot, or at least I had the fear that, you know, getting busted with pot was enough to, you know, fuck up your life, so yeah, that kind of shit happened for sure, I didn't drink a lot there, I didn't drink a lot of the time, but other people did not, you know, not openly necessarily, but you know, put it in a fucking styrofoam cup or something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=3489.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: Well, I think that's basically all the questions I have. Is there anything else you want to add?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=60.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: Well, I wanted to talk about when you talk about the groups of kids,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=60.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: sort of the different scenes, different scenes, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=60.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: there were kind of different scenes. I always thought of everybody kind of being the same, but there were different like groups of people and bands that I kind of grouped together that I witnessed there, and they all kind of intermingled, but they all kind of had different sounds, so they were like the hardcore bands, especially the early hardcore bands, like Williams Youth and American Death Trip and Ice Nine, and those bands, and they kind of had their own sound and groundwork later, you know, had a similar sound, but then there would be like these fucking just weirdo, weird bands like Monto Guano and Durag and Port Torta, that whole bloat crew, they were they were on their own fucking plane of thinking, and they had their own, their own way of doing music, and it was fucking weird, and it didn't, you know, adhere to any kind of anything I heard before, that you know, it was out of left field to me, so there was weird shit like that going on. Would","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=60.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: you see, like the hardcore kids at these bloat shows, and vice versa, the book people at the, yeah, sometimes","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=61.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: not necessarily, but like I said, like everybody kind of intermingled, and, and to me, I'd go to shows just, just to, just because it was something to do, and you'd be exposed to something you'd never seen before, or there'd be like one band on the bill that you knew you liked, and then you'd be seeing these two other bands that were, you know, just fucking new to you, and just weird, strange, or new, there was like a strain of bands that were doing like kind of like straight more straight like garagey punk, the Fells, of course, lived there a lot, and Earl's Family Bombers were fucking great punk band, and I think Beer Gut tried to like kind of emulate that kind of style of punk, but we couldn't do it right, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=61.0,61.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: So it seemed like Steve was very open to having these different genres and different styles, maybe in hopes of people being exposed to that who necessarily might not have been. You ever seen that kind of thing happening? You think,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=62.0,61.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: yeah, it exposed me to a lot of different weird shit, and there, you know, I'd love to see a complete list of all the bands that play there, because I've seen some of the old Toxic Tater Tots that would have the calendar, and I've looked at those and just been amazed that the bands, the shows that I didn't see, the bands that played there, that, like, why didn't I fucking, why was I at that show? You know, I fucking loved that band. I loved them at the time, you know. So, so there was probably.. you know, even weird shit that I.. that I just didn't catch.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=62.0,62.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: Yeah, absolutely. Well, I appreciate your time, man. Thank you so much for contributing to this project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=63.0,62.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: Yeah, fucking my pleasure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=63.0,62.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: All right, man. Thank you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962#t=63.0,65.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/174423/file/313962/transcript/95173/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/095/173/original/azu_ms858-002_m_transcript.vtt?1783616167","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/095/173/original/azu_ms858-002_m_transcript.vtt?1783616167"}]}]}]}