{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/9882j6996g/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Curtis Prendergast"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/038/original/university-libraries-logo-2x.png?1711560609","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Rights Statement"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eCopyright The Arizona Board of Regents.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eThe Celeste Gonzalez de Bustamante and Jeannine E. 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I've been working here for two years. And I am 32 years old.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3611.0,3620.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you tell us a little bit about your education, and then how many how long you've worked in the field of journalism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3620.0,3626.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I guess my most recent education was a dual master's degree in Latin American Studies and Journalism at the University of Arizona. I finished that in 2011. And I was a I was a reporter during that time, but I was more of a student reporter than an actual real professional reporter. So since then, I was a freelancer for about a year and then I have been working at this newspaper since then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3626.0,3649.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"And most of your work, your reporting work has been in the border region.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3649.0,3654.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Oh, yeah, most definitely. I was not a reporter before I was in the border, border region.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3654.0,3659.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Can you tell us a little bit about the transnational nature of the work along the border as a as a journalist?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3659.0,3666.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Okay. So I guess the My work here is newspaper is divided into two big sections. One of them is like local politics and business social issues, things that happen in Santa Cruz County, which contains Nogales. And then the other half of it is Border Patrol, you know, checkpoints, crossroad, I really cross border violence. But, you know, we cover the shootings that happen over in Nogales, Sonora, lots of drug trafficking cases, a lot of young people in on this side of the border, get involved with drug trafficking. We also have a lot of like the, at least the rhetoric of business is more partnership with Sinaloa, and Mexico in general. The definitely on the ground here, the biggest transnational thing is fruits and vegetables. Like there is about half of the word is that about half of the vegetables that are in the United States and wintertime come through Nogales, and they come from the Pacific Coast of Mexico, principally Sinaloa and Sonora. And so there's just a lot of cross border business ties and criminal ties and even political ties. We actually have a guy who's running for mayor of Nogales, Arizona, who had a kind of long political career in Sonora, and doesn't really speak English, and he was part of the PRI. And he's trying to take the mayor share here. So we'll see how that plays out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3666.0,3747.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"It's interesting, what would you say some of the biggest challenges are with with covering the region, covering Mexico,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3747.0,3756.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I guess one of the areas so on my day to day, the hardest thing is like the slow down, when I go from dealing with local agencies, to dealing with federal agencies, the time length just goes, it's probably three or four times as long to do that. In terms of going across in Mexico, there are a couple agencies, for example, the Nogales Sonora municipal police, where I have a really good relationship with them, and they get back to me really fast, and I can turn around stories. But for example, this story today, the PGR is going to, I have no idea if I'm going to be able to get any more information from them at all. So there is like personal, like interpersonal contact between me and the people at the agency. So that was had to be worked out. And then there's also just with everything, there is a different culture, where what I would expect the rhythm of the back and forth to be in the United States is not going to be like that in Mexico. So I always have to deal with that. And I guess, by that, I mean, sometimes I will hear back really, really quickly from people. But other times, they will well, it'll just take longer. I'll leave it like that. fumble through an answer there. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3756.0,3826.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So we followed your work, and we've seen you use public records, requests. Do you have you done any of that? Okay, I don't know if you want to talk about any of your public records work and whether you've done any of that in with the government of Mexico?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3826.0,3841.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Let's see what have I requested from Mexico? Like off the top of my head, the the public record I use was an autopsy report for that shooting. But I got that from a lawyer. I didn't get it from the agency itself. Yeah, I don't know how many public records I've really got from Mexico. I would have to really think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3841.0,3863.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"about the states. You make requests regularly in the States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3863.0,3868.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I do it daily. Yeah, I'm always doing it. And that I mean, there's the public records is awesome, right? Because that's a source in itself. It's just a piece of paper, but you can cite it like it's a source and that's great. But I would say like, for example, with the local mayoral election, I have I probably have 500 pages of documents that I've that I've requested and got from the from the city clerk. And, yeah, I mean, I do that all the time. I spent a lot of time getting public records. So I don't know if you got you guys don't when you say public records you're you are talking about, like specific reports that have titles and things like that. Right. It's just like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3868.0,3908.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"any. Yeah, no any any public records, but including, you know, federal, state, local.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3908.0,3914.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I guess the biggest court records are biggest wrecks for us. Our court records, those we get all the time. That's where here we have, like I said, we have a lot of young people that are involved with drug trafficking. We also have a lot of middle aged people that have been doing it for years, they finally get caught. And so they'll have a long trail. And so I, I think weekly, we are pulling together, you know, three, four or five different court records for the stories. I didn't go on the inside pages of the front page.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3914.0,3940.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you. I'm sure you You most likely follow your colleagues work in Mexico. Can you comment on local in Nogales, Arizona, or Nogales, Sonora as what your thoughts are about local coverage, regional coverage?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3940.0,3959.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I think there's, it is very much a different environment over there. I am not worried about getting shot here. Over there. The from the ones I've talked to, they're not really worried about it that much. But I think the operate according to conditions set by if we were to go over their report about that we would be put in danger. So they know how to do it. So they're not putting themselves at risk. So there are a lot of people that are doing good work, they are keeping tabs on, you know, when the shootings happened, I think pushing fairly hard on the police to provide as many details as possible. There is one criticism I would offer to the Mexican press is to not use like the political figures who attended the event as the first three or four paragraphs of their stories. I think they could kind of switch it up. I feel like that's, I look at the pages of the newspapers, and it kind of bugs me that they do it like that. But that is a relatively minor thing. But yeah, there's there's a lot of people like annoyed with EA that are just running around. I had one guy tell me that he gets he has to slow down sometimes, because it'll get to crime scenes before the police. Because they'll have his scanner going on. I was like, that's that's pretty impressive. That's That's some good hustle. But yeah, I don't know if that's,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=3959.0,4034.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"that's great. That's great. Have you, you know, in other communities that we've been in, and we've been interviewing journalists for a couple, you know, a couple of years now. We, in some communities, journalists have quit going to crime scenes, or they go in caravans or they go together or things like that. Have you heard about any of those sorts of routines here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4034.0,4057.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, I haven't. That does not mean at all that it doesn't happen. But it's just the people that I speak to. It's all like, they're individuals. And like, it's, I feel I get the impression from them that like they have this down. You know, they just they know exactly how to do it. And like I said that one guy has learned when to show up. And I think is his guys driving around in their cars. They get there at the newsroom where they're at their house listening to the scanner, something comes up, they go drive out there and they got it. But no, Dallas is not like I think there are many Mexican cities along the border that are a lot more dangerous for reporters than Nogales. So I think they we are kind of in this sweet spot, so to speak, where we can kind of do this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4057.0,4097.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do you can you talk a little bit about the use of social media, whether you use it or whether you follow it to get for news gathering or ideas or anything like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4097.0,4109.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So one of my when I was hired here, one of my basic directions was do not get story ideas from the internet. Right, because we are a hyperlocal newspaper. And so everything should be kind of bubbling up from the community rather than pulling in. So for social media, I guess, I don't know, I don't know, in terms of story ideas I've got, I have the advantage of being at a place where I just do like my regular reporting. And I can report on things that news outlets in Tucson and Phoenix in New York and everybody will be interested in. So I'm not, I'm not reading what's going on in the republic in order to get a story idea, because whatever they're going to report on is going to be basically irrelevant to our newspaper. But it is certainly useful for getting in touch with sources. I use that on a daily basis, I always always do it. And the beautiful thing about social media is, like for example, with Facebook or Twitter is you become friends or you follow and you kind of like you kind of get your hooks in them a little bit. And you're going to be it's going to be a feed of information from then on. Whereas with an email or something like that, you have your exchange and then it's dead. So Facebook is highly, highly useful. It's really good. It's also really good because calling over to Mexico, you can most definitely do it. But it is a little bit a little bit troublesome. So if you have social media like Facebook, you can send a message to somebody and you know that they're gonna get it and they can respond to you and it's just it's just really Really a lot easier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4109.0,4201.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"You and colleagues correspond sometimes using Facebook.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4201.0,4205.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, absolutely. And then, yeah, I mean, I guess the the general Mo is like will will correspond? And then if there's like a photo or something like that, I think we'll usually do that by email. But yeah, it is great what's going on everything like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4205.0,4218.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Do in some communities along the border, some news organizations are not allowing their their reporters and from the north side to travel into Mexico. So journalists are sometimes using Twitter as is, you know, they have tweet decks up to to, to monitor what is going on. And that's how they are reporting or gathering news or getting leads, and then they make phone calls because they are not able to go across the border. I don't know if you have any, any reporters that you're you follow in Mexico? to just get a first tip on what's going on. It sounds like you have colleagues and friends who you share information with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4218.0,4262.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I do. And it's also the only stories I write about, the only stories that I would write from Mexico are stories that are directly relevant to Santa Cruz County, or Nogales. And so I like what somebody is tweeting 99% of the time is not going to be relevant to what I'm supposed to be reporting on. So for in my particular situation, it's that wouldn't be too useful. But it sounds like a good idea. And I'm going to, I'm going to check on, because that could be really cool. But I think if you were in Tucson, if you were doing more of like, you know, like the border reporting for that, for that kind of regional paper, I could see that being really, really useful. That'd be good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4262.0,4302.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Good. Are there in terms of we've talked a little bit about different new people in different newsrooms about gender and reporting along the border. And whether there's any, there are any differences, advantages or disadvantages being a woman or a man, do you? Have you seen with colleagues whether gender is a factor with being able to get information?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4302.0,4326.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, I think that I'm a white man. And I know that when I walk into buildings and walk into things, I am given the benefit of the doubt, especially wearing like a button down shirt and pants. So it kind of like it's like a little VIP card. So I know, I know, for a fact that I get treated differently than a woman would get treated. Would I like just for example, today, there were probably like, about a dozen reporters there from Mexico. And there was one woman that was there. So it's kind of a male dominant dominated thing over there. I don't know. What how would I best answer that question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4326.0,4373.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, you know, I think maybe just as you did from your own personal experience, so and you're speaking about the advantage being in Mexico, this is Mexico, not too much in the US.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4373.0,4384.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Well, it's still also in the US. And I mean, I could generalize this a elsewhere. I imagine this is probably also the case but the here in Nogales, we have a huge overflow of Mexican culture. And I am the most definitely, I had, I was down in in Elsinore the other day with a female reporter, and the guy we were talking to, would not address her. He would only like address me and I would like move my eyes over isn't like you can talk to her, you know, but he just his default mode was to talk to the man situation. But anyway, on this side as well, it also is somewhat the case. But I know there are a lot of a lot of women reporters that go down there, and they do a fine job. And it's not like they're getting hassled or anything like that, or that sources won't talk to him. But it there is most definitely a difference in how, you know I am treated versus the female reporters. I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4384.0,4435.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"In from the security standpoint, you think it's probably the same?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4435.0,4440.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Yeah, I, if I were a woman, I, I guess I've seen a lot of women who go down and I don't see them having any trouble. But that's also like, I never seen them by themselves. And so I don't know what it's like for them when they're walking down the street and there isn't a guy with them. But I think in I think in general you you'd be you'd be alright. It'd be fine. There's not. I don't sense a really like malevolent attitude towards them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4440.0,4466.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So it sounds like violence hasn't been such a big issue nurses that from the time you've been in this area in northern Mexico or in Nogales, Sonora, but I so I am not sure if you can answer this question. But your colleagues in Mexico, do you have any sense of have they talked about having to endure by violence situations over the last couple of years because there have there have been spurts of violence all along the border.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4466.0,4495.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"So I have not had any conversations with them where they have talked about that, but I I did talk to a guy who, he's a reporter, and he went on television. He does like a twice weekly broadcast, whatever. But he's a print journalist. And when he got back to his house, someone had written, awesome, vast mortar, your report dado in hot sauce on his table, they broken into his house. And I thought that was gonna be a really dramatic thing. But he was like, now, I mean, if they, if they really wanted to hurt me, they wouldn't have waited until they knew I was going to be gone, because they knew I was going to be on TV. So it seems like they have a really good attitude towards it. And I do not have experience talking to them, where they're like, really, like scared. But again, I get the impression that they also understand where like the danger zones are and know not to go to there. And so there's nothing really to worry about if you're not going there. That's not an astute observation. I don't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4495.0,4548.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"know that makes sense. Can you tell me or tell us about what you see as the future for border reporting from, from your perspective? What are areas that you think maybe under covered or could or should be covered or may never be covered?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4548.0,4568.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"That's that's a good question. I think we're the first thing that comes to my mind is that you need to have, like reporters that are here that are not parachuting in. And that would be, that would be the most profound change that you could have in reporting on the border. There's also it's difficult for where, like, when I look at Nogales, and Nogales, Sonora, it is very colorful, and there's a lot of life. And there are a lot of things going there's a lot of people doing a lot of different things. But you just you just can't. It just doesn't doesn't appear in new stories. It's just there, the New York Times was like guiding Paltrow that his name, he did that thing like a year or two ago, that was just like, I was like, How did I not write this thing? It was so good, just going just the experience of going across the border. And he had all kinds of colorful people in that colorful experiences. So I think what, what needs to happen is, rather than pick the dominant narratives that you're going to talk about, for example, we had the unaccompanied minor, the children that came across, and that brought an ungodly number of reporters down here, it's just like, it's a circus. We had the bishops come down. And that's, you know, you know, what was the migrant, you know, they are this humanitarian crisis. But there's none of that none of that stuff even touches on like, what it's like to live down here. And so people hear that this has been said a million times, but people hear that stuff. And that's all they ever hear. And so their image of this place is this like, violent wasteland. And it's just like, the reality of the situation could not be farther from the, from the truth, either at least here in Nogales. Like, there's so much life, there's so much there's so many things happening here. So I think people need to, if they want to cover the border, you got to get away from the correspondent style that is just not going to work. That's terrible, that you need to have if you want to have different New York Times wants to have really good coverage of this area. They they need to have somebody down here. And if possible down here means Nogales or Douglas or San Luis or wherever, not Phoenix, you know there's I can't even I could talk about this for hours how much this annoys me. But that's that's the stuff that I don't like live the future is just have people come down here really focus on like life. Imagine that if have a have reporters here that are just like they would it would be reporting as if they were in Lansing, Michigan, or Omaha or wherever, like communities of people. And then you can incorporate the fact that these all these communities on the border also exist in in Mexico, and it's here in Nogales and Nogales, Arizona, Nogales and Nogales, Sonora, it is like 400,000 people that all basically live together. We just happen to be like, the shopping mall for the NGO scenario. Anyway, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4568.0,4741.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"How important do you think that having that transnational perspective is to reporting the border?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4741.0,4749.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I cannot I do not understand how you would do it without that. If you were to try and understand Nogales, Arizona without Mexico, it would be completely incomprehensible. All our jobs are tied to Mexico whether it's through produce or the shoppers that come across our city government is funded almost entirely by tax sales tax dollars for Mexican shoppers. It is just constantly if you if you go and just sit in front of the Port of Entry in the downtown one, you will see all these ladies like you know pulling their carts so they just went across and bought beauty products or they bought milk or they bought any number of things. And they're going to take those back across and they're going to either you know drink the milk or the family drink the milk, or they're going to like set up they have a beauty salon inside their in their house. And this is how they make their living and once a week they go across and they they buy stuff. Everybody here is doing stuff on both sides of the border. But that that everybody on both sides of the border really quickly dissipates. Like if you move up even to like Rio Rico, those people are a little bit they like it. They like being up in the, in the quiet and the mountains and everything. And then you go up to to buck. And that's the really, really liberal, artsy hippie, retired people. And they'll come down to buy the kudos and everything. But then you go farther up, and you get to Green Valley, and they are terrified. They, some of them come down and get their meds and everything, but it's just, it's too, it's too big of a leap for him. So it just kind of like that's why again, to return to like you need to have people that are right here on the border. And that way, you don't have to try and get a transnational perspective. It is apparent it is unavoidable. Everything here is just revolving on both sides of the border. That's just it. It's I don't know, I can't stress that enough. It's just so so blatantly apparent. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4749.0,4854.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"anything else you wanted to add?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4854.0,4856.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"What with with the transnational perspective? I approached that from kinda like, you know, being on Grand Avenue, you know, right on the ground? Is there a larger perspective of transnational what you're talking about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4856.0,4868.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"No, not really. I'm just getting at how the This is No, Ella's? They don't call it ambos Nogales for or nothing, right? Yes, that's okay. And I was thinking also about it's it's apparent, as you said, living here, but somebody in Iowa, somebody in Washington, how do you get that message to them so that they understand that there's a line there, but that's just the line? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4868.0,4896.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"I think the big newspapers should invest in sending people out here. And not just set up Google alerts for the newspapers along the border. And then whenever they see something that they think would be interesting to send somebody out here at great cost to write a not to brilliant 700 word story that doesn't capture you doesn't come close to captured reality. Kind of what I think they can pay me to do it. Yeah, it takes experience it takes like you have to invest your time and yourself in order to really be able to show the rest of the world what is going on. So the Iowa people, the big newspapers, writing about the border for people in Iowa is most definitely the blind leading the blind. And that's just that's going to creating a feedback loop that's just breeding ignorance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4896.0,4943.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695/transcript/41742/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"Thank you so much. I really appreciated your time. You're welcome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1285/collection_resources/86446/file/174695#t=4943.0,1349.112"}]}]}]}