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My name is Libby Davison, and I am in the company of Warren Jones for the purpose of collecting his memories about the campus at the University of Arizona. We are in his home at North Country Club, and today's date is March 28 2003 Warren. Am I correct that it is your intention to give this tape in any typed transcript resulting from this interview to the College of Agriculture and Life Sciences and to the Arizona Historical Society and or to the University of Arizona archives. Yes, thank you. Okay, I think the first question we want, really, we'd like to know, is, what's your what's your connection with the University of Arizona campus. When did you arrive in Tucson, and how did you get here? And why?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=0.0,69.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, well, I was got involved in desert landscape plants back in World War Two, as being landscape inspector for the World World War Two housing. And then San Bernardino County, which is the largest county and mostly in the desert. And so I got a big introduction into the desert. And also I had to go into Riverside County, some of which would include Palm Springs. So Palm Springs needles and barstool and Victorville, so you have a good covering of desert plant material in that that area and but when I came to the U of A, I was invited to Thomas Professor of Landscape Architecture, and it was on the recommendation of Sunset Magazine, which I was on their advisory board in Southern California, and at that time, why guy Green was putting together the landscape program in The College of Agriculture under her horticulture and Steve Fazio. And so that was my first exposure to the U of A campus. And at that point, we were required to have a hatch project on the side, a research project which was funded by the hats program and I chose to to collect and try desert plants for landscape use in urban situations.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=70.0,175.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Let me interrupt you here for a minute. When did you actually get hired","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=176.0,181.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: in 1967 I believe 1967","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=182.0,186.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and we could check that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=187.0,188.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=189.0,190.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: so you were hired as a full professor and went right into Landscape Architecture Department, which was still in the College of Agriculture at that time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=191.0,203.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and at that time, why the landscape department or program that wasn't a department was involved With the desert museum where Sunset Magazine was financing a demonstration garden to be done with all desert plants, also orange desert. And guy green designed that. And when I came on board, we run into the second section of it, a new addition. And so I went on a number of plant collecting trips with the with the desert museum group, and got thoroughly bitten by the love of Sarn desert plants. And in that encounter, I went on a series of trips, and some of which were was outstanding, people like Ray Turner went on a trip with Ray Turner and Tom Van der and their interests and plans were different, different from mine, but we had the agreement that anyone could call a halt and stop the car if they saw something they wanted to collect, and of course, at the time, Ray Turner was doing, trying to do a way of identifying desert plants. Well, actually, not just all desert plants with luminous plants by their fully. It, because so often there was no blossoms to identify. And so he and Tom in Demeter was interested in finding out what was growing outside of caves where he had gathered black pack rat mittens. And so he was stopping the car for others, very good, different reasons. That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=204.0,322.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: what are you got anywhere at all? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=323.0,326.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So that was sort of how we got going. And I had some wonderful trips. And then eventually we got into the chow and desert monthly to Tom Van der who is particularly interested in it. Ray Turner was just in the Sonoran Desert. So,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=327.0,347.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: do I have this, right? There was actually a collaboration, a financial collaboration, between the university and the desert Museum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=348.0,357.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, in fact, it wasn't really a financial collaboration, except that they paid my way tracks. I didn't have to pay, okay, and so, so they allow you on set. 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I taught design and plant materials and something else I've got, and they wanted me to to teach the students what was growing here and what it required, but not necessarily drought tolerant plants, although we did include those. And as a result of that, why plants would dry climates was your book, and which covers the general palette. So people moving into the area and they saw a viburnum, or they saw a mesquite or caleandra, we told them what it took to make it work, and that's that was what they wanted at that time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=405.0,460.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: what did the campus look like at that time? What","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=461.0,463.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: was mostly lawn. Everything was grass that could possibly sustain grass and Well, strangely enough, a lot of the plants that I used to identify some of these plants were still there, like the viburnums and then and the cotoneasters, and some of those are still there. And of course, it really didn't look too much different, except that there weren't any mesquites, right? And mesquites came in about the time we were there. And of course, that was because of the high bridge and the South American mesquites that grew so fast and were more evergreen and so forth. 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You know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=535.0,542.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: can you remember anything about when there was all these lawns, when the campus was covered in lawn, and when everything was green and more lush? 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It was flood irrigation, and the rest of it was just sometimes setting out sprinklers, and sometimes it had an irrigation system.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=556.0,572.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So pretty much manual labor hose, hoses and bubblers and, okay, okay, so how did you approach this hatch, Grant, how did you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=573.0,586.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well, it was not all easy, because I had to find places that I could plant these plants under urban. In other words, urban conditions, which might be in narrow planning spaces reflected heat from building walls, exaggerated winds coming through channels and all sorts of things that happen in an urban situation and the campus grounds committee sort of went along with the idea, but I didn't have any status at all, and they could tear out and often did tear off things without even telling me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=587.0,633.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Did you so you traveled? Did the grant pay for you to travel to countries, or did you have to think of another reason to go to countries and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=634.0,643.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: then I went to other countries, was usually because the landscape program was designing something in Kuwait, or I went to North Africa and Sudan on a USAID Pro. Program in which I designed the stations where people lived. And interesting enough we also had to have a cut and come again woodlot with each of these stations, because charcoal cooking was the thing that went along with those people. And of course, that was one of the big problems. There were people were hacking everything down for charcoal and things were disappearing because","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=644.0,693.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So you went for other reasons. But while you were there, you were constantly finding seeds and putting them in your pocket, I can just see it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=694.0,702.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And of course, I went to some conferences overseas, and the last of which was the one in South Africa, my swan song for traveling. But that was a wonderful trip. Went to the Congress of the town guards not read Cape Town. Wow. Did","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=703.0,723.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you ever go to Australia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=724.0,725.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I was invited to go both to Australia and China because of plans for dry climates. Book and they invited the it was a People to People type of program in which I believe Eisenhower initiated, and which the host country could ask for, for people who were experts in different fields. And first, the Chinese women, that was first the Australians asked for landscape architects, Park superintendents, horticulture things to this Group was made up, and there's a famous dick. Anyway, he's, he's a, he's now retired, but he was the arborist, urban arborist, and his books are all Richard Harris, yeah, yeah. And he was one that invited me to go, and he put together this team, and we did Australia, which was wonderful, and we landed in Melbourne. No, we landed in Sydney, went down to Melbourne and over to Adelaide, and then up to Brisbane, and eventually to the Great Barrier Reef as he can. And of course, I was pretty busy. 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Did you ever run into any problems in collecting seeds or leaving with seeds? There weren't the restrictions that there are. No","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=843.0,854.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Mexico might have been a problem, but nobody actually, I know that the people with plant presses had trouble in Mexico, coming out of Mexico, because they suspected that they were bringing out narcotics in their presses and so forth. 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And we spent the last night we were before we took off. We'd have. We fly into Nogales, and have to have everything we brought in checked through Nogales. 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He didn't give us any special breaks, but he was very cooperative, much more cooperative than some of the episodes of going to inspection later, from Mexico City to my daughter's wedding with flowers from what was that story? What? Tell me that story? Well, I was down on two occasions. I was invited to get to Mexico City by the architects who were being landscape architects, to put on a program, and I'd be there for maybe a better part of a month, and they'd get me an apartment and so forth, and with cockroaches. Anyway, they were very nice, and so they the sister of Mariott, took us to the big flower market the day before we were to fly out, and helped us buy all these flowers. And then they told us to check through the embassy, American embassy, and have it arranged that we were bringing flowers for a wedding. Well, that was all arranged. 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So that just made that but anyway, Bill Tennison, I sometimes stayed up to late hours the night before we're going across washing all the dirt off the roots of seedlings we collected and we left many a hotel with their plugged up drinks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1185.0,1217.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So did you prefer to collect seedlings and keep them green, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1218.0,1221.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: more seedlings, or seeds, or seeds, yeah, but we all look under a tree, and if we could find some little seedlings, why we bring them back and then put them under the mist or they we have great luck with them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1222.0,1238.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And where did the germinating and growing out of these occur?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1239.0,1243.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: We had various accommodations of the Campbell Avenue farm. They kept kicking us around, but we always got someplace. And one time we were out west of the freeway at a farm that chicken. There was them, and there was this half in the ground greenhouse that no one was using. And we so we use it as our place. But it was, was a less desirable because it seemed like it had a lot of disease and things, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1244.0,1279.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: probably did, yeah. 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Most of that was gallon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1289.0,1302.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Can you talk about magic alley and how that came to be? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1303.0,1305.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: we had a list of plants that we figured probably were just too tender for for the campus. They're too tropical and so, but we thought that was a fairly warm spot. And so we asked Chuck Raisman if we could plant in there. There was nothing there. And he said, Yeah. He said, But it's full of pipes. And we said, well, these just go on cans, and they're probably not going to make it anyway. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1306.0,1344.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: first they're huge now, yeah, oh yeah. Well, you know, we've been able to make sure that that strip gets saved. It's going to be saved in the new chemistry edition that is supposed to start in 2003 or 2004 or 2005 is going to actually leave some space for more planting. 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Got to be an early water location.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1381.0,1385.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, that's the trouble where we don't know what they'll be. And of course, they'll be on the north side of the new building. So that will be an entirely different palette. 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It was taken out so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1442.0,1447.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well, can you talk, can you talk about the the plantings around the library? That's a very rich area, that's the main library, and that was when? Do you remember when that was built at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1448.0,1457.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, it was the landscape architect that designed that the basic planning was he still teaches sometimes at the landscape program. Bill havens, no, no. He's a big plus three sort of guy. Mark, Mark, he's not bullet Street,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1458.0,1488.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: not guy green, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1489.0,1492.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I can get it for Well, anyway, why that? Why the magnolias and the Algerian Ivy and all that got in there, but then we added in the coves around there was where we added our selections, what's the agreement of everybody","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1493.0,1521.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and some of those things have gotten about grown their coves, but they're looking great. That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1522.0,1527.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: one of the big Ficus redulana, of course, it's the biggest espalier.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1528.0,1541.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Um, what do you what do you consider the most important work or project, either on campus or off or where, no matter where, what are you the most proud of?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1542.0,1559.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What do you mean most,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1560.0,1560.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: what most important work that you did, or project that you worked on? Or what are you the most proud of?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1561.0,1569.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think that getting a pallet of drought tolerant plants, which now you can see all over Tucson particularly. But it's also to a degree. Phoenix is more resistant, because it has those rimming canals of going across the city still, and it's pretty hard to convince anybody to rip out Bermuda, and all they have to do is just leave the gate open. Once we can everything you're taking care of, that's for sure. But when you see what's happened at Scottsdale and carefree and those things, why you see us? 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So part of it is the teaching and part of it is the introduction, yeah, but the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1619.0,1628.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: program that the students have, students have picked up the palette, but if you were to look over Tucson back before the well, of course, the thing that really crystallized the concept here was when the city Council raised the water rate, and said you should only have a lawn in your backyard or decent places where it's most used by the people in many ways. 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You know, my grandkids come, they get tearing around that little 20 by 20 patch out there, and I had one hell of time getting it going this year because the birds were so hungry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858#t=1685.0,1725.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2345/collection_resources/130441/file/243858/transcript/68346/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, they ate all the seeds. Yeah. 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