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Let me tell you the purpose. First. What I'm doing, I'm working with Mairead Farrell, and we're putting together a, an oral history project that we can deposit in the Arizona Historical Society. And then the other thing we want to do is use any of the interviews that we gathered this weekend to finish those interpretive signs. And, and a long term goal would be either to produce some kind of pamphlet for people, you know, a short history that goes along with the site, I see some kind of short video.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=19.0,62.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Gee, I would think you could ask federal prison system. If they have any records","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=63.0,73.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: of this camp, they must have, right, and photographs and project reports and that sort of thing. I work for a chef who used to be with the Indian service, I was in one of the Indian projects in Oklahoma. And maybe it was an Indian School. Anyway. I wrote my letter after I was there while I was just so appreciative of the bakery. And so I just said, how much I enjoyed the bakery and inside or outside, having had this kind of treat. He was waiting in line to see who the heck is this? Only letters he ever got word complaints. And so he wanted to find out who it was and then at the time, I was about the only Japanese that was there. And these guys came in about half year after I did and then he said are you here? brushy you're the one that wrote me the letter and I said yes. And he says, Well, I want to thank you for the letter it's the first time I got a complimentary letter and so on and we had a little visit and then a week or two later I sent him another letter saying I've been thinking about meeting you and and I'm curious now if the situation is such that you could add another person to your staff. I have some interest in baking and I don't have much experience so I like to learn and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=74.0,215.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: if you didn't take that kind of interest and work on it, I like to be a candidate. He said Well, unfortunately I just build my staff. So we don't have an opening but keep it in mind. Many contacted me said we've got a situation where there's an opening now and if you're so interested, we can pick you in and so I worked about a month and a half with but half of my time either shortage so I didn't stay too long. I got to the place where we make pies and huge amounts of sugar bread you know how the bread the East comes in a small package. We had one like one pound","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=216.0,272.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: of butter","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=273.0,276.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: one on the beach, you know you throw that in and then the big one of these big arm things, you know? And so I didn't I didn't even know that they had books, cooking books with baking recipes, you know for home use. And what I did first was reducing In from this one size and baking my mother started to bake again. And she said you know, I, I try baking without having the bread tastes like yeast, you know a lot of strong flavor and yeast so that I never get rid of that, but I don't taste it here. It's the first time and so she started really take over the bacon, you know, when we go skiing and come home Jesus hot rolls made, you know, just fresh baking, you know. So, that kind of experience I had with imprisonment. And this is in the, in the 40s. Now the prison record started sometime in the 70s in this camp and the close the camp in, in the 30s depression, then it goes sometime in the 70s. And when they reached the top, and somewhere along the middle of that experience, this this big Baker, he was Chief Baker handled that part of the cooking responsibilities even work on the you know, the main meal parts, the baking part. Bread always, you know, and you know, 200 people, there's movie pressures all the time, just like a baking store. So and then making fake news and apple pie and cakes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=277.0,422.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's amazing. I wouldn't think that they would have such my spoon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=423.0,426.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Whoa, well, yeah, he made it within the budget, you know, he's making those things and and so if there's a report on I can't even remember his name. But he would have been say 90 He was there 90, say you might think 4243 44 someplace around there. The chef who handled baking, see if there's any report from him there and and he had Indian Indian Reservation experience, you know, teaching, teaching and cooking. So that that was where he learned this bulk thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=427.0,474.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You know, I read an article that when you first arrived at the camp,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=475.0,478.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that the Hopi, it was Hopi Indians that invited you to there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=479.0,484.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah. Yeah, they built the Ramada on the side of the hill. And I didn't know anything about I'm just new in the camp and and there was a group of hopeless there. There were some Navajos and other Indians who were there for liquor violation selling liquor, D and D answers. I mean, getting liquor from Indians, I don't know. Well, liquor, Indians weren't allowed to have liquor. And so there's some way in which the natives were used. And sometimes the natives were exploiting the situation sometimes they were victimized. And some of them were caught in weapon had that kind of sense. But these are AB Indians. Were like these Japanese camping people who came they said, Well, we know you guys are engaged in White Man's War, Europe and so on. The we have no interest in fighting in Year War. If we have an independence fight, we'll fight in it, but we're, we refuse to fight in years. And they flatly refuse. So they were a category of objectors that were sent to prison and they were there and and they took a special interest in me and I arrived because several of them driving in highways and so on, were stopped and search then look for identification because they thought they were Japanese. They looked Hopis looked Japanese, you know, compared to the other holes. Now holes were taller and more angular, bigger nose, and so on the whole piece had an oriental kind of structure. And so they were mistaken for it. So they had some experience of this group. And and they noticed that our heritage country had a flag that was the sun. And they said, you know, that's our most important symbol. And so there's a lot of similarity it's possible that our group might be the last tribe of Israel, some of our people left behind on the road through the Bering Land Bridge to come to North America over history, and we may have some relationship he says, and anyway, take took real warm interest and treated me up there. Give me a hair wash with soap leads all natural you and tea, they brewed some tea and gave it to me and, and just treated me like a brother. I appreciate it. When I came down some of my university type conscientious objectors, to military. They, they would muttering under their breath a little bit nicer. What's the problem? Just why? Here you are, this is this is your third day here in your first week. And you already were invited up there. We've been trying for a couple of months to get some kind of invitation. We're very sympathetic with them were conscientious objectors to and we're very sympathetic with their position. And we've been trying to make a relationship and we couldn't get the first base.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=485.0,755.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: These are Anglo students.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=756.0,757.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, these were white Americans, university types, who had written their blackboards and they don't want to have anything to do with the military. And they are conscientious objectors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=758.0,772.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=773.0,773.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: some of them would have gone to civilian camps, they had force contention vectors. If they were called, if they were given that that qualification, but some of them weren't given that classification, they applied to conscientious objector status. But they got one a or one A Oh non non military activities, you know, working, working on supplies or working in the medical corps or something, but not handling guns. And in some, even though they got the congestion vector classification, they didn't want to spend their time manicuring mountains when there are more important things they could be building for peace and for humanity. So they left the camp. Aw. They just said, I'm going to go out and look for work of significance that I could surf in. And so I'm leaving camp. If you want me, I'll be at this address. You can catch up with me at this address and they left while they got caught up in sentence. War with you leaving camp without permission. So they got different kinds of sentences. Some of them were here for a while.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=774.0,879.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I'm curious about your resistance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=880.0,881.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Where did you get the idea?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=882.0,884.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Is it something that you did spontaneously or did you have some kind of model that you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=885.0,889.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I didn't realize at that time, but I was given a strong emphasis on peace. You know, to be a Christian And supposed to love your neighbor as yourself, and to do good, and help the poor and that sort of thing, you know, all the teachings of Jesus, my father was a very strong advocate of that. And he followed one of the early Japanese Christian leaders, who also had a strong emphasis on peace in his message. And actually, when you get down to it, peace message, and what Jesus was teaching, if you interpret what he was doing is overlaps a lot, you know, with his message. So I was getting all of this as I was growing up. So that when I was at the University, and we got into meetings, with interested in peace it was very familiar to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=890.0,967.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Though I was getting it in Japanese language.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=968.0,971.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But I became part of the university group that was forming as persons of conscientious objection to military. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=972.0,987.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: was this before or after the bombing of Pearl Harbor?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=988.0,991.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Before, before and after.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=992.0,995.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So it continued on. And, and we used to invite different","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=996.0,1004.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: individuals that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=1005.0,1007.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: were of interest to us, and we had something to contribute to our program. 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Sometimes they came over and after a brief comments,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=1017.0,1027.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: what what's on your mind?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=1028.0,1028.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What questions do you have, and so on and got into a discussion. Among those who were invited were persons of Quaker background. And emphasis on pieces very strong among Quakers. And so on, they came. And we found interest in what they were saying. And so what we did was to whoever it came, we went to visit some of their activities, speakers, activities, their group, and we went to the can think of the group. There's two groups that are very big, they don't follow the religious rules, per se, but they're trying to get the spirit of the thing. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=1029.0,1106.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: this group had a use a sermon, preacher of this group. And I'd like we liked what he said. Went over. When the Quakers came, we would pick up their meeting and sat in on their meetings and event. 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But we found ourselves going back to the Quakers very frequently and eventually it became different among all the others we would see others. Occasionally, we became regular hundreds of the Quakers. And eventually, the asked us have we thought about membership and what's required in membership and so on? So we got into discussion","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=1139.0,1202.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and, and we found out, they want to find out how come we're conscientious objectors? And was that the objective? Was that the objective of our religion? Or was there something else? And we said, we are. 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I said I had problems. The guy didn't know how we could overcome that. Other people are being discriminated they because they don't have the power. The Japanese and Chinese workers didn't have power either. And it was unfair. But I, I still believe the Constitution was a good thing. I thought that was a wonderful concept. And I was all for it. And I grew up resolved to be a good advocate of it, too. Lived those principles. 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If I'm of a certain ancestry,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=1701.0,1707.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I have to follow these I have to go through these hoops. If I'm not of Japanese ancestry, I could ignore those restrictions. Well I tended to obey the curfew restrictions at the beginning, then something would happen. Like when I'm dashing back from the library, my dorm mates I was the only person in the Japanese ancestry in the dormitory at that time. So we had about 15 people in this dorm most of them were Americans from Canada from outside of Seattle living there going to school and myself so all of them became my timekeeper. You know, if it came five minutes state 8pm was a deadline. And I met the library and hey, there's factor eight and gather my stuff and dash back in a helpful way. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, they they were helping me so don't get arrested or something. And I did it because I'm taught to you know, to obey the laws don't break the laws. would be law abiding, and not looking at critically at the injustice of the law. But in university, we're looking at things like that. And I'm finding it you know, it's bothering me, but I'm so obeying the law. Then one time. I'm, I'm dashing back. And the question comes up, boldly, boldly stopped my dashing back. And my dorm mates not, I got things to do too. And when it when I had to look at it something I couldn't accept. But I'd never looked at it that way before I'm disobeying the law. Because Because I'm taught to obey the law, at home and at school, and so on. 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And they were the first ones in Canada. And he said, she told my mother, we were here. We've been here now for more than half a year. And now they were developing this new section where they put you people we heard the parents guide that's fighting in CNN, Seattle jail. They're arriving today. So we we came out to say welcome to say thank you for your son. And mom said I got a big lift on that visit. And suddenly, the weight I was carrying guilt feeling I was carrying disappeared. I didn't know I was carrying it. But I knew that if I were standing next to her","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=2496.0,2589.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: facing these ladies, I couldn't have given her the same lift that gave her so she was she appreciated whether I was gonna succeed in doing anything is war or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=2590.0,2615.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: She was proud of I could take a stand like that, in the timeline. Even when she begged shed tears and so and and I couldn't, I couldn't guarantee that nothing would happen because any of those fears were possible. So, at that time, the leadership you see, the Japanese community had the immigrants were you know 4050 In that age level, and had established themselves to some extent so that the kids were, you know, teenagers or tend to 20s very few in the 30s and they had no economic power. And in fact, a lot of the leaders of the Japanese, by parents group didn't know whether they could trust us or not, because we were talking about democracy. You know, they didn't even understand all that. And also, we didn't. We didn't express appropriate respect for the older show. We didn't know the manners of Japanese elders and so on. Some of it was good conduct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=2616.0,2747.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But we just randomly ramped, randomly followed democracy in de luces forum. And so they didn't trust us so they didn't pass on leadership responsibilities, train us to be community leaders.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718#t=2748.0,2777.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158718/transcript/40723/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And they were holding the fort. But then now, they're some of them were held in internment camps separately. In other cases, they were looked at as enemy aliens. And so, we were superior and status. We were citizens. You know, we kept like aliens in Canada. 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We're not going to undermine government actions. And we'll show our citizenship that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=9.0,21.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So what kind of resistance did you get from?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=22.0,25.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, they, these people, if I went to them, and said, This is what I'm planning to do, they would have passed on. And I wouldn't have been able to resist them strongly. Because it was true. I was just a university student, I didn't have experience. And I was not even dry behind the years, as they were, they would have said, and I'm just making it hard on the rest of backlash, you know, and that sort of thing. And all of that, what were possibilities, so I wouldn't, and I wouldn't have gotten any moral support from which they decided the best thing to do under these circumstances, was to follow the government and in some respects, almost approve of what they're doing. I mean, they didn't approve it in that fashion, but they're not objecting. So I, I couldn't, I couldn't do that. So, so I know that they wouldn't have trusted me. And they would have got after me. If they could. They were all gone. And and I didn't seek their advice, because I didn't follow their principles. How did you know? That that's where you turn? Well, yeah. Well, when what is curfew? I'm just making an individual decision. But when it became a certain deadline, when all the Japanese are gone, what am I doing around. So if I said at the university YMCA dorm. Beyond that point, they after the wind could be accused of harboring wild violator, or described in the most sinister ways, potential spy or, you know, whatever they wanted to say. And I didn't want to wait to be accused of that had nothing to do with it. And rather than to have them be embarrassed like that. I talked with my Quaker legal advisor, lawyer, that we probably the best thing to do is to go to the FBI, turn myself in saying I can abide by your regulation. I don't think it's fair. And I am of Japanese ancestry, but as history is not a crime. And, and if you want to accuse me of something, go ahead, I'll try to defend myself and left it like that. And they, they thought, well, we could scare this guy into signing up by saying, Well, you know, you violated these half a dozen laws already. And if they pile those up, you're gonna be in jail a long time. And if I were afraid of that, I wouldn't have taken a sip anyway, you know. So they didn't succeed. And I didn't get very far but I did openly confront the regulations or the rules for the way in which they were doing this and during the wartime I had I had the let me change that. At this time, I was able to say certain things straight out and take the consequences. And then the court case started. And I didn't get the first base during the war. I lost everything. At every level, even the Supreme Court,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=26.0,316.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I thought when I got to the Supreme Court, the Supreme Court justices, whose primary reason for their existence is to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=317.0,325.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: defend the Constitution. How could they? How could they accuse me of violating the Constitution? I've been standing up to it. But during the war, objectivity goes up the window. And the judge even said, Well, you know, if we lose the war, what good is civil rights, but what is our constitution? So we got to win the war? Well, so I didn't have much hope of getting very far with that. But at least we've got that record again. And it was about 40 years after the war. Before I got a hearing, and by that time, the climate had changed. And we're using the government's own files, where they knew that FBI and others said is not necessary. But they get that information out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=326.0,393.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So we had our reversal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=394.0,401.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Those who oppose me at the time among the Japanese are saying Well, we did we, we used a little different technique, we were trying to do the same thing. gain more rights for ourselves, and so on, but by proving her loyalty, right, yeah. So he was, I never battled that I didn't waste my energy doing that. Right now, the so called conscience. people of conscience, objecting to what the government did try and do grab people while they're held up, families are held up during behind barbed wire, all that sort of thing. It's unfortunate that the leadership took that kind of position, but they did. And right now 60 years later. I don't want to waste my energy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=402.0,473.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Arguing, they should apologize","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=474.0,475.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: for that. If they don't want that. That's fine. Let's go on with it. And what they're spending a lot of energy instead of worrying about what next steps we have to be taken. They're waiting, Why should I apologize? Why? Why can't you apologize? That kind of, you know, useless, right now. So anyway, that that was a diversion. But","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=476.0,513.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: it went into, those are some of the reasons I that led me to do what I did.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=514.0,524.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Not always knowing what I'm doing is going to result in success. I had to be true to myself. And there's one thing that emerged that helped me a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=525.0,544.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: If I could","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=545.0,546.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: develop a situation","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=547.0,549.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: when I'm confronting something, some some problem, if I could find out something on which I could stay, yes. Yes, I believe in this, or I'm doing it for this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=550.0,566.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And if I could be positive about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=567.0,571.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's what I looked for. Because I knew that if I kept saying no, to the government,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=572.0,580.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: psychologically, it would affect you know, being negative.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=581.0,587.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So I finally you know, got well, I'm for what the Constitution says. What your law says violates the country issue guarantees. So therefore I'm opposed to it. And I can support it. Because first of all, I'm for the Constitution. I'm positive that and then I can do this because I for this, therefore, I see no, there's not that I say all the time, or that's, that's the reason I'm, I'm just an objective. I'm a believer first","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=588.0,634.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and therefore forces me to say no to things that I think could undermine my beliefs. So that that's that's saying something very simply that I suppose was there for me to figure out right away, but it took me a long time to come to that. And the reflection what I'm doing struggling through in some effort, I found the similar I can use by problems a lot by finding what what can I say yes. There for seeing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=635.0,689.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: so after the Supreme Court decision was made is that to try to get out to Tucson, where it was,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=690.0,700.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: after the Supreme Court failed to overturn the government, they say well, you lost your appeal. So now you've got to serve seven but you can go back the road can be responsible because it's in restricted area. Western half of the state are even in Washington, all of the State of California in the southern third of the state of Arizona so that was the restricted zone from which people move and so but I said I offered to get a lot longer sentence in order that I could be sent out to a rock camp rather than to just do it sitting in cellblock. Well, that's too bad. You mean, you mean I've served this longer time that I offered to do outside even though I'm inside Well, that's that's the new sentence. So you got to do something one way or the other and I have not already been changed that the district attorney's help that's true. So I thought the queue was behind me for well, why can't I go to the one in Tucson Arizona? Well, at 1600 miles away and we don't have the money to send you there was no travel budget. No travel What if I go on my own? Oh, you're on your own. I'll even read a letter for you as somebody interferes with the film the letters also rise mission to prison camp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=701.0,857.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And they weren't afraid you're gonna disappear on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=858.0,862.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I've been out working on the project in Spokane relocation. By that time they were anybody that can get a job can get housing. They can come out so I was facilitating in Spokane and I used to spend time talking to business groups. Visiting In large laundry these are the kinds of work programs to see if they're looking for reliable experienced workers because they were in camps and do these things and helping to get them out you know so so the you know, I'm, I'm, I'm trying to keep from being the situation or I offered serve longer to do it outside and then having to spend the water sentence inside. So I, I sit on my own. I was thinking of hitchhiking and I was thinking hitchhiking the way it was when, before the gas rush. I found out Yukon, the west coast were a lot more traffic than on Andrew mountain. long distance travel was not easy. And I found out going from Spokane, to the sugar beet pharmacy in the Snake River Valley, where my parents were out, working. And they stayed out. Working for the farmer, getting the next crop ready and so on instead of returning to camp. He stayed out in the spring. My mother and my younger sister and my youngest brother pulled up grade school. They came out and I said I'll go out on my own field. Let me do that. You wrote me a letter, District Attorney for the District of central Spokane, Washington. I have authorized this person to work his way down to Tucson, Arizona, where he will turn himself and I only used it once. Nobody asked me. It took me a long time. It took me two weeks to get get past Seoul Lake City. And part of that time I spent with my parents in juvie pharmacy. Then I went on. And ride was terrible. But one guy that gave me a ride was a sheriff. And he's, where are you going? He says, Well, I'm going down about 40 miles. I see Well, we don't buy now accept your offer for live as far as you're on the highway. And then we got Woody, where are you headed? Headed for jail. Server sentence. You almost went off.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=863.0,1159.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Where are you going? I said oh, don't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=1160.0,1162.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: worry. I'm, I've got a letter here authorizing me to get there on my own. And so he stopped me looked at the letter says Well, I don't know. This is really unusual. But I guess it's he couldn't be there live. And then when I got as far as Las Vegas I couldn't even sleep out anymore. Because I didn't know what Are there snakes and other things, you know, that a lot of animals I'm not familiar with are crawling around. Going from Washington to this? Yeah, yeah, pretty different. I slept a couple of nights on jail, I mean, ditches and so on. Because it's summer, it was us August and finally got Pusan beginning of September. And he was real hot. And when I showed up at the marshal's office, showed him the letter and bow my head a relatively short sentence but hadn't sent spend it in road camp. Well, they looked around for us as well, we don't have any papers on the year, you might as well turn around and go home. I said, Well, I gladly do that you're gonna find those papers sometimes. And I have to interrupt what I'm doing and have to come back again. So you better find it. 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But I imagined they were kept sort of like in this barrier. And maybe there are natives in there too. And non whites, but which tended to be be the best creative ones. And that didn't, that didn't interfere with most of our people because they expected that. But when I came like, hey, when we first started the native Indians, the Hopi Indians, they had other they got other Indian books on Navajo zoomies and some of the others. But the Hopis who had their grandmother fixed out of branches and so on. And they use it as their retreat place. They really treated me nicely. I couldn't more than I really appreciated because I didn't understand all the privileges they were giving me from their viewpoint. And since I left four out of Arizona, I didn't I didn't get to visit their old Alright, be there's a automat, there's an old arrivee community there. I don't know, how much of a community is there now. But But I, I don't have any of the names anymore. 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And alternative arrangements weren't able to be made, because they didn't know about it here. But I'm surprised that only one of them slipping. You know, because they were they were young. Well, there were older ones there. But they wouldn't. They would then pass on. But there's some like us? Well, like me, I was in 20s, early 20s. And I'm 81 now. So they would be 90s or something. And not many live to that. So well, let's get to the short answer your questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=1883.0,1941.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's fine. I I don't want to keep you any longer. I appreciate talking with you. If I haven't any questions, can I? Any of the shorter questions? Can I call you? Sure?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=1942.0,1959.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah. Glad you're here now because I wouldn't have this time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=1960.0,1968.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And so if they're short questions, I could pick up the phone and give it to you. But if they're if the public if they take time to explain. 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Mary, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=1986.0,1994.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: can understand. What are you doing for the university?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=1995.0,1998.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I'm a PhD student in history.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=1999.0,2001.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I see. I see. 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Do you have the Masters already?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=2013.0,2018.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes. I did my master's degree in the University of Oregon, and actually did about Chinese exclusion around the term. Oh, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=2019.0,2026.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: see. Yeah. Yeah. 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Oh, yeah. It didn't. It didn't care. Yeah, it was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=2058.0,2066.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: a power thing. Yeah. It's pretty interesting. So that's where my interest started.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=2067.0,2073.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Was Have you picked a topic for history?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719#t=2074.0,2078.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/229/collection_resources/72848/file/158719/transcript/40724/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, yeah. I'm not entirely No. That's one of the reasons why I was doing this also. I done most of my research on citizenship and civil rights. 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