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I'm sitting here with Anita Stevens. It is march 5, 2026 We are in Bisbee, Arizona. This is an interview for the Downtown Performance Center Oral History Project to be donated to the University of Arizona Library Special Collections. Thanks for joining me today, Anita.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=0.0,17.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Thank you. I'm happy to be here and reminisce about one of my favorite times.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=18.0,22.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: All right, so can we please start off and tell me how you just got involved in the Tucson Musics team?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=23.0,29.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Probably like 90% of the other teenagers that were bored and looking for something new and different outside of what their family and high school experience was giving them, I think, my very first punk rock show I saw UPS playing on Congress, and I know there's an epic video of that, because it was on Halloween, and I was remember just seeing that and being all, wow, this is, this is so. I need to be part of this, and yeah, that's where it all started. I think I was 14 at the time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=30.0,67.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so that would have been roughly what year?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=68.0,69.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh, 1982 1980 yeah, so it was a long time ago. Sure, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=70.0,80.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you got interested, you saw UPS,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=81.0,82.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I saw UPS, and then I started seeking out more of that. My older brother had a recording studio with a mobile sound unit, so I was going into the clubs as part of his entourage, even though I was really way too young to be in the clubs, and so I was seeing a lot of the music scene, although it was not very much of the punk rock music scene, so me finding that on was more on my own, and I remember my brother just seriously looking down his nose and being dirty punk rockers, Anita. What are you doing? And I was like, oh, but it's so fun, it's so intense. I love it. It's, you know, and then one time I, I convinced my brother that he needed to run sound at this little place called, I think it was Smokey's. It was on, I want to say it was on Stone and Grant, ish, and Corrosion of Conformity was playing, and I convinced my brother to run sound, and at one point the, they were swinging the microphones, and they were hitting the ceiling, and shit was getting run over, and I remember my brother coming out of that show, and for the hauling all the gear out, he's like, \"I'm never doing punk rock again. They broke two of my mics, and then years later, when I was friends with all the local bands, a lot of them were going into his Euphoria studios to produce their records and their tapes and whatnot, so he did come full circle, but he certainly wasn't gonna do that, like hauling his gear into a punk rock show ever again, and he never ever let me forget that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=83.0,192.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, I imagine in 1984 Tucson was a much smaller town than it was in 2026 What was the punk rock scene, like, at that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=193.0,201.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I didn't have anything to compare it to, you know. So I can't say, \"Oh yeah, it was like Phoenix or a little LA or whatever, but it was a very.. it was family, like we were.. we were the little tribe of punk rockers in the great world of Tucson, you know, even if you didn't get along with people, you still felt a camaraderie with them,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=202.0,226.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: relatively small, but I imagine, too, at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=227.0,228.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, few 100 people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=229.0,230.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So it sounds like it was a challenge then, as an underage kid, to see punk rock or music, you had to sneak in with your brother. Were there any places to go that were all ages? There,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=231.0,244.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: there were some places that, that were all ages in the way of, like, they had a restaurant, like Nino's, they had a restaurant, so you could get in, but it wasn't like an all ages club, there wasn't really, there wasn't really that going on. I mean, there was the dance hall of Sundance West, but I mean, as a punk rocker, you couldn't be really seen there too very often, or it might, you know, taint your credibility.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=245.0,279.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Which part of town did you grow up in, Tucson?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=280.0,281.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I grew up midtown. I went to Catalina.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=282.0,283.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And how were people in Catalina receptive to punkers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=284.0,288.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: There were a few of us. We.. I'm not going to say we stuck together, because we were all very different people when I was there. Um, we were all mostly friendly with each other, but it wasn't like we were all hanging out at one person's house or something like that. It was, it was more of like a little fractured scene, and we all hold, we all held our own space down in whatever class we were in as the representative of the punks, or I don't know if you understand that in that way, but Catalina was pretty eclectic in the way. I mean, there was jocks, there were preppies, there were stoners - we called them Dodgers because they hang out on Dodge, and basic 80s high school experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=289.0,335.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay, yeah, so Corrosion, a conformity was coming through, Tucson was obviously an I-10, and part of that touring route that Black Flag helped establish. Any other bands you remember seeing at that point?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=336.0,348.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: The best summer of my life as a punk rocker was 1985 when Black Flag came through twice, Circle Jerks came through, and Deb Kennedy's played at the El Casino Ballroom,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=349.0,365.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: is that we saw all those bands at","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=366.0,366.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: no, the others played at Nino's, the steak house on First and Grant, Nino's opened up like a satellite business that was more geared towards the live music, and it was called the back door, back door, the back stage, the back door, I think, back","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=367.0,387.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: doors.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=388.0,387.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, yeah, I remember breaking guys' nose there one time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=388.0,392.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Go on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=393.0,394.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh, there's so many tangents back to that. For that, really, the best summer of my life was that 1985 and later, when I was more involved with the DPC, and talking to bands, I understood the phenomenon that was happening. Is that the West Coast bands, when they are a tour starting in the West Coast, they like to start in Tucson, because it was like their warm-up, but a lot of times the bands would have their agent rebook Tucson on the way back through, because we would set the bar so high with our enthusiasm and our turnout for such a small town. We never took anything for granted. We were like, oh my god, this awesome band is coming, and so they would, they would come, they would play, they would be happy, and they'd want to come back. Cool. So then Tucson had a nice receptive reaction and an audience for this type of music at that time, really truly the The the vandals came to play. You heard the vandal story of when Paul Young, Paul Young was the most epic guitarist ever. He played for the band Blood Spassem, and before that he played for UPS, and I don't know if he played for Civil Death. He might have. He used to run the record store Roads to Moscow, that was in the University Square. And one time the Vandals were coming through, and they didn't show up. They were playing at the Pink Cadillac Cafe on Fourth Avenue. They didn't want.. they didn't.. they didn't show up until 2am and they still expected their guarantee, they still expected to get paid, because they showed up, and there was about two dozen people left there. Paul Young basically stepped forward and said, \"You guys can play now, or we will party on your grave out in the desert. That is a direct quote, and they set up and they played,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=395.0,523.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: didn't have much of a choice,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=524.0,524.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and I personally use that line more than once when I was putting on shows for kind of a collective of people, and and on on my own, the last, the last show that I put on, because I, with my brother sound company and my love of the scene, I did want to promote stuff and make stuff happen, and I had a boyfriend in a band and knew all the people, and so I started putting on shows, and the very last show that I put on as the God prod, the Guild of Destruction production, which was basically a civil order and opinion zero collaboration to put on shows. The last show that that I did was the Bad Religion show at the Magnum Sound Warehouse, and we had Malignus Play and Civil Order and Oz and Bad Religion. Wow, it was.. it was epic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=525.0,586.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Where.. what was the.. where was the cross streets on that? The","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=587.0,588.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Magnum Sound Warehouse, so it was kind of over by Nimbus. Like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=589.0,592.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: where was that show? Because I don't..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=593.0,594.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it was right. It was before the DPC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=595.0,596.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=597.0,597.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I mean, it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=598.0,598.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: was..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=599.0,598.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it. Was it was the last thing that I did on my own before I really like joined forces with Steve I at the Dodiac Internation, where I basically became the sound, the door girl. My boyfriend, he was in a band, and he provided a sound system for Steve, a lot in that first building that is still there. It's still the solar culture. It's gone through a lot of changes, but the problem was we didn't have enough, what I want to say, proper exiting, proper evacuation. The fire marshal was always angry and always trying to shut us down, and that was what spurred Steve to acquire the DPC and have a bigger, not so convoluted space where we could have these bigger shows that we wanted to have, because when you packed a couple 100 people into what used to be the old fruit lockers, it was, it was crazy, and all the art that we had up on the walls, because Steve was always having his non-juried art shows, which were so fantastic, just the, that, okay, so the Dodik was already a thriving thing, you know, all the artists and hippies and freaks and punks and every other subculture that was kind of on the fringes of society had already found it, so it just carried over to the DPC. We didn't have to like start a whole, like fresh, you know what I want to say, a whole that's the dog groaning. We didn't have to like cultivate a whole new following, it was already there, it was already excited, we were already doing things, so it was, it was just a natural progression. I mean, it was what, not even a quarter mile away across tracks, across one street.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=599.0,729.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=730.0,730.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and so we would, the three of us, me and Bruce and Steve, our ritual before a show at the DPC is we would be over at the old Dodik and we'd be upstairs in Steve's personal space, we'd watch an episode of Star Trek and get really high before we'd walk over at 10 o'clock, the Star Trek was at nine to 10 o'clock and we would sit there and we'd watch that, that was like our chill out time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=731.0,762.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: it would air on public TV, right, affiliate order, okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=763.0,766.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, that's all there was then. Oh my god, like there was any other choice. No, it was, it was back when TV was TV, if you didn't sit down at the time it was presented, you missed it, that's such a Gen X reality, that's so funny. Anyways, next question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=767.0,784.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, let's, let's go back a little bit. You mentioned that you started a production company of a sorts, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=785.0,792.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=793.0,793.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: When and how and what spurned you to do this?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=794.0,798.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It was more like it since the band practiced in my house, and we're always trying to find a show for the band, the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=799.0,810.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: band being","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=811.0,811.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Civil Order,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=812.0,812.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Civil War,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=813.0,813.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and knowing other bands really well, and trying to, you know, get them on the bill as well, like Opinion Zero, and, and all the other bands that were going on at the time, the the Tucson Punks kind of all got together, and we, it was, it was Mayhem trying to get everybody to decide, because everybody had their own favorite band, and what they wanted to do, and, and since I was kind of by default leadership of this I was always having to acquiesce other people's demands and we threw some really shitty shows and we did silly things and I got really frustrated with that and I don't even remember what the last show with that was, but we, you know, it's, it's so hard, because, like, I would find a venue, like I went into this, was epic, I went into the all black Elks Lodge downtown, into the bar where all these old guys are drinking, you can tell they sit there every day and drink. Each bar stool is like custom fitted to somebody's ass. They sit there so much and convince them that they needed punk rock in their, in their, their show hall. And we had a few shows in there, and then shit went south one day, you know, because it was. That little neighborhood just south of the police station, it's a very quiet little neighborhood in there, south of the or west of the convention center, you know, old families, old houses, and so we were trying to be very polite and you know keep everybody off the streets and come inside, come inside, and there was a big vacant lot just right down the block. There was a parking lot, and the last, the last show that we had, this, I kid you not, flat bed stage with speakers and lights and everything rolled up with a Jesus rock band playing like in this vacant lot to counteract the evil punk rock, and hopefully they would, they would save some of these lost souls that were going into the show, and I'm out there trying to like usher everybody in, I'm like, don't stand and watch this, don't make this a spectacle, or you know, it's gonna reflect badly on us, and yeah, most people just walked behind, was like, what the fuck, and came inside, and so, but then the neighborhood, of course, freaked out, because that happened, which was completely beyond my control. I didn't invite these people, I mean, they just figured they'd show up and, and do that, so that that show hall got wrinkled, and then I was went over to the Musicians Union on Sixth Avenue and convinced them that they needed punk rock in their hall, and that went good for like three shows, and then this other group of kids that was this, they were a couple years younger than me, and they all straight edge, thinking, you know, they got shit out of control, because they're straight edge. Well, shit was not under control, and toilets were broken, windows were broken, the door was the door was stolen, like, like their cash box was stolen, and we didn't get to do shows there anymore. And so it was getting harder and harder to do shows, and and Steve's place was solid, and so I was like, you know, if I'm really craving this kind of activity, I can, I can join forces with Steve, help him out, he's got a haul, he's got, you know, he's got the advertising, he's getting the reputation, I'll just throw my bags on that train,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=814.0,1037.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay? And you had mentioned before we started recording, Dodik went under a different name. It was called","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1038.0,1042.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the Hell Rad Club,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1043.0,1043.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Hell Rad Club, at where the solo culture is currently living. Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1044.0,1047.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yes, Steve was living there with another one of my friends, his name is John Minx, and John had his dog, Pit Bull, named Stain, there, and they were just like little happy artist family living there. Other artists would like rent space and sometimes stay there because there were fruit lockers on the side. I think there was five fruit lockers on the length of the building, both upstairs and downstairs, which are private studios, and so there was always like transitional artists and musicians going through there, and Opinion Zero had been using it as their practice space in one of the downstairs lockers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1048.0,1088.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Just want some love,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1089.0,1091.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: he's love hoarding dog.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1092.0,1096.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So you met Steve, then from going to the club, and then you guys joined forces, because he had moved here from Philadelphia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1097.0,1103.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yes, he did, and I actually was really good friends with his brother Rob. Just Steve was my first impression of Steve was just, why did this guy end up here, kind of thing. It's like, I can't believe that Philadelphia was like shitty enough that you left, you know, you're right there in the middle of everything, you know, that's like leaving LA for Gila Bend, you know, just like, why would you do that? 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The Love Club, yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1161.0,1163.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: as I remember it. I never went there, I just heard their tales.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1164.0,1166.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1167.0,1167.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but they were, they were really good friends for a long time before Bruce came to Arizona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1168.0,1172.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So you got involved with Steve at Dodik, you guys started doing shows together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1173.0,1178.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yep, he was like the general manager, and I was, I would help with advertising in the way of flyering, and help him if he needed to get a hold of a local band or whatever. Before long, he had everybody's number, and I didn't have to worry about that, thank God. And I just got to work the door, which was great. Because working the door is like it's like bartending, everybody comes through there, everybody, everybody comes through the door, you get to see who's there, you get to talk to your friends, you know who's there, it's it's a great social outlet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1179.0,1215.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, so DPC opens in 1991","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1216.0,1220.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was it that late. Wow, I guess it was okay. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1221.0,1224.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and you're involved from the very beginning. What was it like just getting that place established?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1225.0,1228.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Um, I, okay, I have been looking for the past two days through my bins of photographs, because I have this awesome photograph of Bruce leaning in the door jamb of the of the front door of the Dodiac, that was not, or not the Dodiac, the DPC. Sorry, that door that everybody went through as the main entrance was not there when we acquired the building. When Steve got the building, it was me and my boyfriend at the time, Dave K and Bruce, that took the tools and put that door in the wall, and so I have this awesome picture of Bruce, and he's standing in the doorway, and this guy, Warren, he was a kind of a handyman, a homeless Klingon, which there were there was a progression of the homeless Klingons that would happen at DPC, and they, I mean, they were all of good intention, and most of them were half skilled, and so Warren is kicking back in this chair, and in front of Warren is this piece of cardboard that we used as the giant sign that has had the disclaimer on it about the dancing, you were not the state of Arizona. Does not permit.. oh, the state of Arizona prohibits dancing in this building because we don't have the correct insurance policy, which was.. I mean, always, how the hell are you going to keep people from dancing in here? I was like, what are you going to do, Steve? You going to make like a two foot grid on the floor or number it, so everybody stands in their box and nobody can move outside their box, you know. But I understood once you put the disclaimer there, people are gonna do what they're gonna do, they can't sue you, or whatever. If you told them that you can't do that here, so was always an amazing thing to me that there was no dancing was prohibited by the state,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1229.0,1346.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so you said Steve acquired the building. Were you involved in the acquisition, and if not, or if you were, do you know how the process then went about to get the building?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1347.0,1357.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: You know, Steve was always looking for more buildings, and I can't. It's been so long, I can't really remember what his process was for that, but then he did also acquire another building down the street that he made into the cafe later on. That the cafe kind of folded, and it ended up being Bruce's house for a long time, you know, just watching for the empty buildings, talking to landlords. I mean, with the crazy reputation that the Dodo Diak had, it's amazing that we ever even got another building. Honestly,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1358.0,1394.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you didn't have any pushback from the city or anything like that acquiring that building. The","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1395.0,1399.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: pushback we had was we needed to move from the building we were in because of the, like I said, the fire escapes and the fact that it was kind of like a maze downstairs, and the fire marshal was just not happy with the fact that we would pack so many people in there. There was one time we were having a show, and I think it was the second time that Crash Worship played at the Dodiac. I was downstairs, and the floor was literally, literally sagging in rhythm","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1400.0,1432.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1433.0,1432.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the people dancing on it. Above, it was flipping terrifying. I was like, well, maybe I don't need to be downstairs right now, yeah. Crash worship, I think they didn't want to be problematic, but from management standpoint, that was always a shit show. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1433.0,1452.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so you was you main the main three, you, Steve, and Bruce, you guys built out the DPC. Did you build the stages, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1453.0,1461.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, there was nothing in that building whatsoever. We moved the stage at one point. It started off in the back of the building, and then it moved to the side of the building.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1462.0,1471.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay, yeah, cuz I remember when I went, the last year was open, it was, I guess, on the north side.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1472.0,1475.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, it started off being on the east side, in front of the rolling doors, I, you know, and I remember them wanting to change it, and I remember being.. I was not as receptive. I liked it how it was, but you know, they're gonna do what they're gonna do. I'm not picking up a damn hammer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1476.0,1497.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Were those early years like? Of the DBC,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1498.0,1500.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so much fun, so many bands, so much fun. You know, it's like I saw so much stuff that I can't remember what anything sounded like or what it was. Everything is such a blur for me now. I remember a few things that really stood out that I really liked, and but I also remember enduring a lot of nights that had really suck ass shit that I could hardly stay awake through.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1501.0,1529.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: You worked the door,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1530.0,1530.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1531.0,1531.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Were you involved in booking the bands as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1532.0,1534.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Not, no, not so much, but I would. I was always making the calendar, and it's funny, because there's that Facebook page, and sometimes somebody will post one of the calendars. I'm like, oh, I can tell if it's my handwriting or Steve's handwriting, and who did it? And that's always.. and sometimes I look at those months, and I was like, we had no idea how cool we really were, and what shit actually went through there, and you know, just the epic, epic stuff. I can remember people coming up to me. There was this one kid, his name was Gabe, and I worked with him at this pizza joint, and I think Tool was coming through for the first time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1535.0,1575.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, wow,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1576.0,1576.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and he's like, this band is gonna be big, Anita, this band is gonna be big, and I had over the years a couple different people tell me that about different things, but that one was like he was like so into it, and he made me listen to him before they came, and I some people say that Tool never played there, and I'm like, yes, they did, and so I, you know, I don't know, is it my memory that's fucked up? If I didn't see him there, where the hell did I see them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1577.0,1606.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: That's it. Yeah, I never heard them playing there, but I wouldn't be surprised. That's amazing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1607.0,1610.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Or maybe they were playing somewhere else, and Gabe was talking to me about it, but I remember going and seeing that. But I mean, like I said before, everything blends into everything else in my poor little brain, because we were doing three and four nights a week, three and four bands a show. I mean,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1611.0,1624.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: you were there every night,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1625.0,1625.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: mostly for years. Yeah, it was that it was a lot, like I said, it was a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1626.0,1631.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, going back to that calendar, I remember the calendar being published on the back of the Toxic Tater Tot that was produced by Toxic Ranch. How did you guys establish that relationship with Bill Sassenberg, the owner of Toxic Ranch?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1632.0,1644.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: You know, Steve, Steve, I mean, fucking everybody. Steve, I will talk to everybody. Steve, I will talk to anybody with the same gentle, welcoming tone all the time. Doesn't matter how fucking crazy you are, or how important you are, or how strung out you are, or whatever he was, he was always the same, and I can see how he established good relationships with everybody,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1645.0,1673.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1674.0,1673.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: there was also the whole reality before the internet, when the record store was the hub of the social activity, like I remember calling Rex Records on a regular basis on a Friday and Saturday night, and either talking to Cave Man or Paul or Joey, and saying, 'Hey, where are the house parties tonight? because, you know, house parties usually don't have the flyer going on, they don't want to alert the police to what's going on, so they're not usually house party flyers, but they list them off. Oh, yeah, so and so is playing at this house, so and so is playing, yeah, next week, don't forget this, you know, they were like that the record store was the was the schedule, and so Toxic Ranch probably just kind of stepped into that role as well. I mean, if that's part of owning the record stores, having all the information, having all the cool shit, people want to come in, if not to buy anything, at least to see what's going on, and then they might see something they need. Why","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1674.0,1739.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: it seemed like Tucson at that point had a very supportive, mutually beneficial underground music scene. Oh yeah, Toxic Ranch, you had the VPC at KXCI, and then also camp radio seemed like it had a lot of stuff going on. So it seemed like there were very strong relationships happening, which I'm sure fostered a great music scene at that point, right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1740.0,1760.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, yeah, because everybody was in a band, everybody's band wanted to play everywhere. I mean, usually people that were that ran record stores were either really good friends with all the bands or new or were in the band, and so you always want to know all the people with the venues, so that your band gets to play everywhere, you know. It was, yeah, everything, everything, everything was really intertwined. We did a couple of these music fests up on them, up on the mountain, called the Baja Fest, collectively as the music scene, and there it was a camp out there. There'll be bands on Saturday, and then a camp out, and then bands on Sunday at Ski Valley.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1761.0,1798.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1799.0,1799.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and you went to the campsites, and it was funny, because there's like the punk rock campsite, the hippie campsite, the garage band campsite, you know, but then everybody was like wandering in between them all, getting fucking trashed on the mountain. Oh, good Lord, misbehaving.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1800.0,1815.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: They ran on generators,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1816.0,1818.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the bands played at Ski Valley.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1819.0,1820.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, they played at Ski Valley. Yeah, okay, yeah, wow,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1821.0,1823.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1824.0,1823.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: That's amazing. I never heard of this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1824.0,1825.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, it was, it was great fun times to have punk rock in the middle of the day up on the mountain with everybody just trash laying in the sun, like nursing hangovers and getting, you know, hair of the dog.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1826.0,1837.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Were these local bands?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1838.0,1838.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, these were like golly opinions, hero played there, civil order played there, like I another flyer I should dig out for you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1839.0,1852.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Then, so you worked the door day in, day out, for years at the DPC, so you for had firsthand experience of what the community was like at the DPC. Can you talk a little bit about that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1853.0,1865.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, like I was saying, it was, it was kind of just more of what we already had going at the Dodik, and since Steve had his unjuried art shows and his eclectic music going on all the time, there were so many like little subcultury things that were already included, and so you know it depended on what was going on that night, as to who was to show up, what little scene was to show up, you know, there were some things that that brought out a cross section of everybody, and then there were things that were really specific to what was going on,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1866.0,1905.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so cross-section, younger people, older,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1906.0,1909.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: we had all ages coming in, that was like some people were like, that's seriously unsafe for these young children, because you know it's all ages and anybody can go in, and I was like, you know, it's like more about finding like-minded individuals than what I want to say, grouping people within their age group, because we would have, since we were non-alcoholic, we'd have, we'd have parents dropping their 14 year olds off there, knowing that they was, they were going to mostly be okay, because they were corralled and contained, and then we had now had bands that had older people in the band, you know, and so those, they bring their friends down, and they, you know, so there was like a whole older section of people that would come in, it was very, I mean, it was very high school, college age, but I can't say that was exclusively what was in any kind of way. I will say working the door, I got the chance to interact with Tucson police quite often, and more than once you'd have the like the older beat cop, or the not older, but more experienced beat cop, the one that's been on this area for a while, bring in someone who was new to the job, and that cop would go in, like, and come out like saucer-eyed, glazed over, and the statement that was like, yeah, we know it's crazy in there, but we know that that's where the crazy is. You keep it contained, you know, that goes back to the whole, the containment system of it all. I mean, it was obviously voluntary for people to be there, but usually what was going on was interesting enough to hold people's attention, so they weren't like off doing crazy shit in neighborhoods and getting getting wild, or you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=1910.0,2026.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah, the community police and stuff,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2027.0,2029.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, and the few times that I had to actually flag down the police, I remember one time there was a situation that was getting rather out of control with a person that came by that never came by before, and they were buck naked, and I was outside because sometimes I would have somebody else watch the door when I knew that, like the mass of people who had already gone in there was only going to be a straggler paying money or whatever, and then I'd go outside and help Steve police the parking lot, because that was a constant to make sure that people were not drinking in the parking lot, not loitering in the alley, getting people into the building, and apparently from the tales that I got told, this drunken or naked person in some kind of altered state locks right in the front door, gets about eight feet in, grabs the first chick there by the hair, and tries to pull her out backwards, and somebody slugged him, and so he came outside, and he goes running around the building, and I. Was kind of in the corner of that parking lot, and I see this wide ass butt going naked down the alley, and he gets to Steve, and Steve, of course, has the same approach with him as everybody else, calm level, and that guy cocks back and hits Steve square in the face, and that's when I go running down the alley, and somebody else saw it from another direction. We both go running towards this from different angles, and the guy jumps up onto the seven foot chain link fence on the other side of the alley that has Constantina wire on the top, drags himself over this buck naked, and flops down on the pavement, on yeah, that's like asphalt with a lot of loose gravel on the other side, and he just falls like right onto it, and then starts walking around in this fenced area, just cussing and throwing his hands around until the police do come, because I run out into sixth street and I start trying to flag down a cop, and one goes by, and I'm like, and I start flagging the next one down, and I, you know, and I'm, I'm pointing, so that he comes down up the alley, and he's like, What's wrong with you? And I was like, Hello, officer, I work here, I know I look like just one of the normal people that is here, but I work here, and we're having this incident with naked guy that's assaulting people down the alley. If you could please assist us at this time, you know, because I didn't drink before I went on shift, I was able to form words in my excitement, and the cops came around. They had ended up arresting him and handcuffing him to the chain link fence with his hands behind him, and he had a friend come get him. Not, we didn't recognize the car, we didn't recognize any of these things, but it was just like one of the random street theater things that would happen when you have a club downtown, you know, just the random crap that's like Steve was okay, everybody was okay. The girl did not get pulled out or assaulted more than getting her hair pulled, and, and we all chalked it up to the full moon and moved on. I don't know if it was a full moon or not, but it was. It was always a full moon at the DPC.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2030.0,2233.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I want to go back to when you established the DPC, the philosophy of the DPC, from my research, where I gathered Steve, and I'm assuming you and Bruce were really determined to have it be an all ages club, keep it as cheap as possible. I think most shows are under $5 Yep, correct. And no alcohol,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2234.0,2253.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2254.0,2253.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So, can you talk a little bit about why those decisions were made?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2254.0,2257.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, the no alcohol was easier than having a liquor license and trying to manage all that, that's that's a whole nother layer of crap, you can't, you can't manage it when you have alcohol around, and so we were very firm on the no alcohol, so that we could be all ages, so we could be inclusive to the people that weren't yet 21 because that is a large segment of the punk rock scene at the time, and, and the underground scene, just in general, and, and Steve, we all wanted to just, you know, be a safe place, where if you were a frickin' 15 year old girl and you wandered in, you weren't going to get assaulted, you know, it was, it was like we were a little tribe in the middle of downtown, we were, we saw ourselves as like a, an island,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2258.0,2310.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2311.0,2310.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: an island in the sea of normalcy, a crazy little Lord of the Flies island with no, with everybody having their own conch shell running around with it screaming over their head.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2311.0,2324.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, I can say personally it very much affected my life. I started going there when I was 14, and I would have had no","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2325.0,2333.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: prime age for us to start grooming you. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2334.0,2336.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: would have had no exposure to the punk rock world if it had not been the ethos of the DPC to have that be an alleged venue.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2337.0,2342.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, we were spinning that, like I said, right off of the Dodiac. I mean, people still to this day remember me for handing out plastic cups in the parking lot because I was like, I can't control what you're doing here, but there's an open container law. Please put your alcohol in this,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2343.0,2361.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2362.0,2361.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and I mean, so Steve and I both passed out countless big red solo cups to people just so that they wouldn't have that open container, and yeah, to this day people still remember me for handing them a red solo cup and pleading with them to please put their alcohol in it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2362.0,2381.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: You guys had to police within reason.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2382.0,2383.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: What's that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2384.0,2384.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: You had to police within reason. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2385.0,2385.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: we policed ourselves a lot. The outdoors,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2386.0,2390.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2391.0,2390.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: more than I'd say more than the inside.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2391.0,2393.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Were people amenable to using the cups, or do you ever get any pushback?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2394.0,2398.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well. If the random person did push back, then they would get their own little crew pushing back on them, you know. It's like I just had to remind them, hey, we're doing this here for you, help us out. And if they were belligerent, then everybody else, like, no, no, you gotta do what Neva says, you gotta do what Steve says. We love this place, this is how it's gonna be. Yeah, it was the scene police itself in extension to us doing it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2399.0,2427.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so seeing a million bands there. Thank","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2428.0,2429.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: good God.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2430.0,2429.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: What are some of the number ones?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2430.0,2431.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, crash worship was always so fun, so fucking fun. The they played a couple of times over in the, in the Dodiac, before we had the DPC, or and then the first time they played at the DPC, I want to say it was the first time they, they were juggling fire, and it, they, there was a log, they were juggling with sticks, and it landed up in the rafters of the DPC, and the rafters, like any other warehouse in Arizona, are these tinder-dry two by fours, 100 years old, and I'm like looking at this, I remember it was an October show, and I was wearing my leather jacket, and I positioned myself under that, and I watched the vibration of the building finally shake that log loose, and it fell down, and it fell right on me, and I was standing so that it rolled, hit my shoulder, rolled down my back, and went backstage, and I was like, that is the biggest victory of the fucking night. Nobody got hit by that. I didn't get burned, and that's when, with my dreadlocks, I decided that bugs were scarier than fire, because I didn't light on fire, and those were always when I had dreadlocks the first time. I was always afraid of those two things. Now I, now I fear nothing, and they're going in the box. But so after that, Bruce and Steve and I had a little pow wow about it, and Bruce and I were like, we can't do that again, that's too stressful, we can't let them do fire, and fire was their whole shtick, their whole stick was fire throwing fire, non-dairy creamer, yeah, so the next time they played, they brought food, and they served food, and it was the worst thing that ever happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2432.0,2550.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: This is at the Dodag, or the DPC,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2551.0,2552.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the DPC, okay? Because that, we had, we moved all the big shows over there, so it was the first show that they had to have their, the log got stuck in the rafters, and then we're like, no, we're gonna do food, and Bruce and I both were like, at the same time, we're like, no, no, no, we can't. What are you crazy? And Steve's like, no, it's gonna be beautiful, you know, we're all gonna eat together, and it's, you know, it's like breaking of bread, and you know, sharing in the body of our unity and blood upon us, like Bruce and I are just looking at each other with this blank look, and we're just shaking our heads, going, \"fuck what the fuck are we getting into? And so Bruce's wife at the time was really good friends with Crash Worship, and so they dug a pit in there in Bruce's yard, where they were roasting a pig, on reflection, we're realizing that pig probably was not cooked thoroughly, but they carried these litters, like, like stretchers, litters of food in, and they started with this beautiful litter of fresh cut fruit. What's gonna happen when you serve fucking 600 tripping fuckers food? It became the biggest goddamn food fight you'd ever fucking seen. So the next tray that came out was hummus and rice, so that went everywhere. Bruce and I had the foresight, okay, because we knew that this was going to be a shit show or a food fest or whatever the fuck, and then we had these big pieces of art on walls that were 12 by 12 feet, we got all those pieces of art down and covered them with plastic and put them back up, we covered all the PA with plastic, everything of any value was covered with clear painters plastic that night, so the third litter comes out, and it is the roast pig, and it mean like throbbing throes of humanity, fucking half naked, sweating, and all this food going around, and like a crash worship show was, was crazy in the, in the way of like, if you ever have not experienced a contact high, this was where to be, like I would go into those shows fully well knowing that I would be feeling well. I was on two hits of acid by the time I was done without taking any, and this was one of those nights, and I remember going into the little, the little snack bar, and Kathy Key was there, and Kathy had probably had like 1015, years on me, so she was kind of like the older lady, no, I'm older than she was by far now, but and I went in, and she was just like, I can't take this, I've got to sit down. I was like, cool, I'll watch your window for you. And as I was watching the window, this buck naked girl jumps into the window, and she has the pig penis, and she's like shoving it at me, and she goes, and she like takes it, and she like turns it inside out in front of me. At that point, I cock back to hit her, and I swing, and her people like take took her back out of the window, like with like a half inch of me just clocking her in the face, because I was like, at that point I had had enough. I had, I had, I lasted the whole night without getting dirty, which was, I mean, like a cat being out in the thunderstorm and not getting wet. I mean, it was amazing. I was not dirty, and that at the end of the show, I think I had had like a half a grapefruit smashed on my head. That was it. And at the end of the show, one of the, one of the band members said to the roadie, \"Hey, she's not got anything, get her, and he takes like a scoop of the stuff that was on the floor and came at me from behind and rubbed it down my shoulders, and I flipped out and I turned around, I grabbed him and I threw him on the ground so fast that I had my arm cocked back to hit him, and three people grabbed me and I didn't get to hit him, but I was like, \"What the fuck are you doing? He's like, \"What, you were clean? I was like, \"I've been trying to be clean. And so the next day, the next day, we were getting interviewed by the Tucson Weekly. They were coming to do a photo shoot. They were just interviewing us. So the next morning, all of us night owls that are used to going to bed at three and 4am We were there at eight in the morning, maybe even seven. We had those scrapers that roofers use, and we were walking up and down the floor, and we were peeling up this two inches of muck that looked like apple butter, but there was like cigarette butts and loogies and every other goddamn thing on God's green earth that had been tracked through there, and it was the grossest experience. I brought these huge incense coils from my house and was lighting them all over the building, and we got done cleaning that like within 10 minutes before they got there, and the whole crew was there. We're all there, we're all like pumped and excited, because this was a real team effort here, and so we posed for photos, and all this, and they took a bunch of photos, they published an article, and yet again Steve, big picture of Steve, I little picture of us, where we're all like maybe a centimeter tall in it, and we're like, it's good thing we love Steve, because he always liked whenever they would come to interview or talk to the DPC. It was Steve. Steve was the DPC. The rest of us were just minions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2553.0,2892.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, but it's very much a collective.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2893.0,2894.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It totally was, but he was such a figurehead, and his presentation and way of speaking to people, and his way of speaking about things, it was like, just, he's perfect. Anyways, you know, we couldn't do it without him. We wouldn't have done it without him. We're doing this for him and for","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2895.0,2914.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: us. So, you, the core three, you had volunteers as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2915.0,2919.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh God, there was.. we needed so much help all of the fucking time, all the time. We had people drift in and out while they could afford to be there, while they wanted to be there, and they each had their own specialty, and they'd.. they'd come and do their thing for a while, and then they'd drift away, and you know, it's like your life takes you in different places, and it seems like.. like my aunt always had a philosophy about money. She's like, if you just believe it'll be there, it will be. And she always had the money for stuff like, how do you do this, ladies? Like the belief, it's kind of like we have the belief that people will come, they will, someone will be here to help.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2920.0,2958.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Amazing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2959.0,2959.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it was, it was, it was such a.. I don't want to say totally egalitarian thing, because Steve was such a benevolent ruler, but it was very socialist.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2960.0,2975.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did you guys make collective decisions?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2976.0,2979.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: You know, if Steve asked us for our input, you know, we would talk about things like, do we really want to fucking serve food here, and no, we should not have fire here anymore. There were like those important decisions that we would talk about, but Bruce was more worried about doing the sound. I was just worried about showing up and making sure that that shit was running right, and Steve was making sure that the bands were booked, that he had a caterer, that he had lodging, you know, we all kind of had our own thing that we did,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=2980.0,3014.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so you never had like a formal, what's the word, board of directors or anything like that, nonprofit status. Oh, you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=3015.0,3022.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: make me laugh. 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I still, I adore them. I had a bar down in Sonoida, and I had malignants actually play for me a couple of times there, and I had people coming from Sierra Vista, from Phoenix. It was the most fun, and I would always tell Steve, you need to put Malignus on once a month","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=3081.0,3103.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: at the DBC,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=3104.0,3105.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and he's like, why, and I was like, because they bring all of Sierra Vista with them, their fan base is hardcore, and he, they would, if they came from Sierra Vista, there would be 100 people right there that were there to see him, and yeah, there were there were so many local bands going on. I mean, I can't even begin to list them all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=3106.0,3132.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Would you give status like that to other bands? 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It was, it was the 90s, everybody was broke, the but no, there were there were so many bands it was hard to to choose who you wanted to book with, which one it more boiled down on who who was available for what night, and and that kind of thing, and you'd have to talk to Steve more about booking, but I was, I told him that you're missing, you're missing a big paycheck that would help us get through the next two weeks, if you don't put malign us on that bill, because they're guaranteed to bring in that many people from afar, and they had a great following in Tucson too. 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And so that's the scene policing itself, but also, how intense is that, that your buddy, you know, has a gun in this fricking movie theater? It's, you know, makes your heart skip a beat. I trusted him not to do anything crazy, but crazy usually unrolls in front of you in a very unpredictable way, you know. So that was like the first instance where I was like, \"Wow, there's a lot of guns around, you know. And I say that as a gun owner. And then when things escalated a little bit more, yeah, my ex-husband was like, \"No, we're not, we're not fucking around with this anymore. 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What's ironic is later in life I picked up a gun and started competing off my horse with a 45 and so here I am playing with guns and like fully saturating my life with handguns, and I'm like, and I threw away another part of my life, and now this is what I'm doing, and so, yeah, that's things go in circles.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=3464.0,3490.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Did you lose contact with Steve and Bruce at that point? 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Does Steve ever express anything about that to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=3577.0,3593.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: We always did what we could to keep it under wraps, you know. And I don't think it was as big of an issue as the neighborhood blew it up to be, you know, it was not in my backyard type thing,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=3594.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=60.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: we would have gotten anywhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=60.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: Yeah, how do you think its closing affected the music scene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=60.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/194","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: Well, then there was only Scrappies","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=60.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/195","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: a couple years later,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=60.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/196","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: yeah. And I mean, I went into Scrappies a couple of times, but it was no DPC. I didn't, I didn't particularly like it there. And after I'd moved out of town for a couple years, I was like, I just feel so old, all these young kids, god damn it, you know. And I was not even 30.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=60.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/197","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: Yeah, I want to pivot a little bit and talk about, you know, so far everyone I've interviewed for this project have been men, and it seems like the Tucson punk scene and punk rock in general was very male dominated. I want to get your experience coming up as a young woman in the punk rock scene, and what you're in Tucson specifically, and what it was like for you,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=60.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: I was the most tomboy girl. I mean, for a girl that wasn't fully gay, I mean, I, a lot of, a lot of people thought I was, because I was so butch, I mean, I, yeah, I played, I played the games with the boys, I was out there skating ramps and pools, I was in the mosh pit, I was, I was grabbing life by the fucking horns, I never really had too much of a issue with like any kind of like sexual harassment or I mean it was still the era where you put your thumb out on the side of the road to get a ride downtown and shit you know and I mean I Yeah, I, you know, I don't really know what my perspective was as a female, because I've never been a male, you know, I only have my personal experience. One of the first jobs I ever had, there was a real job when my friends from high school got me, was working at the biggest porn store in town, so I already knew that you keep your mace in your fucking pocket, don't talk a lot of shit, smile a lot, but never give out any personal information, you know. And I never had a problem like being downtown, whereas I mean some of my friends did, and did feel uncomfortable walking around as girls, but they, you know, and I don't want to, like, fault this and turn this into a like style thing, but if I was walking down the street, you couldn't even tell I was a chick, you know, I wasn't, I didn't have a bunch of makeup, my hair wasn't done, I wasn't wearing a short skirt, so I never got the wolf whistles and the just that kind of.. I never really got that kind of vibe, because I was such a tomboy, and in the scene itself, because I was such a tomboy, I never really.. people weren't very confrontational with me, because they knew I'd just take a fucking swing at you, if you're a boy or a girl, I don't fucking care, fucking work your face off like a monkey, but I never really got into any fights because I came with a pre-made reputation of sorts that I never really understood. Okay, I never understood this until one of my last shows at the Performance Center, and I had seen it happen a couple of times, and I never really understood what was happening, but sometimes there'd be like a car load or two of people coming, and they'd, they'd all get out of the car, they'd see me at the door, and they'd go have like a pow wow, and then they'd come back, but that happened with a lot of people, because they'd like, oh, it's $4 we need to make sure we have $4 for everyone in the, in the group here, whatever, but sometimes their whole caravan would like leave, and so it's like I said, it was there's a show going on, and my friend was like, \"Oh, I want you to meet my friend Jenny, or whatever her name was, from Phoenix, and so they come over to my house, and this chick is like nervous, like she's on crank, and I was like, \"Girlfriend, are you okay? And she's like, \"I'm just a little bit nervous being in your home, and I was like, \"What the fuck is that supposed to mean? And she's like, \"Oh, what, you don't know? And I was like, \"What? She's like, \"You are the most feared person in Phoenix. And I was like, \"How is this a thing? no idea. How this.. I was like, I mean, I'm sure my mouth is dropping open at that point, and I was like, why, why is that? And then I remember back to like one time my, my boyfriend's band was playing, and they were opening for social distortion at the. It's like hall off of Thomas in Phoenix, and I remember being in the mosh pit, and all their skin heads would line up in the center of the mosh pit, circling the inside of the mosh pit, facing outwards, and I would be, I'd start dancing in the middle, because in Tucson, that's where the chicks dance. You dance in the middle of the mosh pit, where there's like this little golden ray of sunshine, where there's an eye of the storm, and I'm like pushing these guys out of the way, and they're like not knowing how to deal with me. And I guess after that event, I was like the scariest chick in town, and I had no idea, and being the being the bully that I could be at times, I really wish I would have known that, because I would have used it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=61.0,64.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: Did you have, when you were booking shows, it was the same experience, everyone just treated you as equal, no problems.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=65.0,64.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: I did have a problem with Don't Know one time. Don't know, was a band out of Venice Beach, and they had been, they had been to Tucson before. I, the, it was, I think, the last show I did at the Musicians Union, and things were getting, it was getting a little crazy at the end of the night, and I felt like I needed, I needed to leave with the door money, and so I left, and I remember I went eight or something, and the show got over, and everybody went back to the Blood Spouse and House. It was the northwest corner of Broadway and Columbus. House is still there. It should have been burned to the ground after those guys moved out. Seriously, there was so much bad juju in that house. It's gonna last for lifetimes. So I get to the.. I get to the party, and the guys from don't know, they're all these like stout, fricking muscly Venice Beach dudes, you know, and they're all talking shit, they're like, yeah, we thought you left with the cash and bloody blood, and you know, they're talking shit to me in front of my friends, and finally I was like, look, I was 19 at the time, I said, \"Look, this is how it plays out. I said, \"I'm gonna pay you, I'm here to pay you, and I don't like you talking shit about me in front of my friends. You need to learn a little bit of fucking respect, or we're gonna be partying on your grave out in the desert. Paul Young was there, and he's like, \"Yeah, and so I handed him the cash, and I was like, I better see a fucking smile on your face. They're like, oh, thanks. We just thought that I was like, that's what you get for thinking. Didn't hire you to fucking think, hired you to fucking play. It was great show.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=65.0,66.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/201","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=67.0,66.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/202","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: lot of fun to be had. I still have the, I still have the T-shirt.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=67.0,66.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/203","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: Awesome. So, I guess the final thing I wanted to just kind of discuss is when it was all said and done, I did the DBC close. How do you feel that you, the DBC, impacted your life?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=67.0,66.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/204","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: It gave me a safe outlet in so many ways. I hung my art up in the do Diak, I felt like I had community that even when I stopped working at the DPC I still had that that warmth from people remembering me when they would negotiate at the door with camel bucks and cigarettes and food stamps, because, like you said, we wanted to keep it affordable, so if you just came and made a fucking effort and gave me things of value that you had to trade, I would take that, and there's a lot of people, like, dude, I remember when I gave you half a pack of cigarettes to get into that show, well, yeah, I would sell those cigarettes for a buck each, I made, I made twice what your entry was worth, you know, and I gave you one of your cigarettes back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=67.0,67.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: Was the DVC able to support itself through, through? Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=68.0,67.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: I mean, it wouldn't have been there if, I mean, if it wasn't able to support itself. I mean, Steve was a starving artist, he had a job as a, as a teacher. I mean, a teacher salary certainly can't support two warehouses, the Dodik. He would rent out the lockers, the fruit lockers, the studios, and yeah, we managed to keep the bills paid, or we wouldn't have it, wouldn't have survived. You don't, yeah, you don't do punk rock on credit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=68.0,68.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/207","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: How would you guys pay the bands that didn't have guarantees, just whatever came out the door?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=69.0,68.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=69.0,68.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/209","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=69.0,68.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/210","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: yeah. We try to give them what was fair. We always tried to be fair. We wanted to keep a reputation, you know. And to this day, I was.. I just got in an argument with my boss the other day because I was supposed to be hiring people and he put, he put it off, and so all the people I had interviewed, and the people that I thought I was going to hire, that I was like, yeah, we're going to be opening this soon, and when that didn't happen, got mad at the boss, I was like, you told me that you're going to put an email out to all those people and tell them that it was not happening for a while, you didn't do that, so. You made me look bad. All I have in the end is my honor, my credibility, and my word, and you're tainting that, and it's pissing me the fuck off. I don't have a bazillion dollars, I don't have an army of thugs anymore, fucking ain't used to, and I certainly don't have one here. I was like, so you need to be more respectful of who I am and who I see myself as, and I see myself as the same person back then that you live by your word, your word is your bond, your bond is your honor, your credibility is all you've got. So we really tried to be credible and follow through with what we intended to do, that was that was always important, and besides that, you know, there's the, there was always the, oh, you fucking punk rockers, you're all just fucking losers and liars and scammers, it's like, no, most of us are like fricking salt of the earth people that are just looking to have a little bit more intense fun at night than the normal, the normal person on the street, you know. I still to this day enjoy the camaraderie that I, that I share with those people. I, I feel closer to the punks of the scene of my high school and college years than I do with most of my school peers. I mean, over the top, I get really, really disappointed when I see punks that have fallen into the MAGA trap and the loving trap of Trump, it's like I don't understand who the fuck you are. We've been waiting for this revolution, we've been planning for this revolution. Fuck, I'm too old to enjoy this revolution. It's taken so long to get here, and now you're licking the boot. No matter how hard you lick it, it's never gonna love you back. I, it just blows my mind that they're people that I mean I used to mosh with to songs like to seven seconds rock together walk together rock together and now you guys are the same assholes that are trying to tear it down. I'm like, what the fuck is going on with there? Some, we have, we have diverged from our timeline. I seriously believe that hydro and collider thing has diverged us from our timeline. I wasn't into that until just a little while ago, when I've realized how fucked up things have become, and is this really the path that we're supposed to be on? You know, and how crazy it is that, like, the shit that the Jell-O wouldn't was singing about, I mean, Rage Against the Machine. They're the one that brought the term woke into mainstream society. Wake up, wake up, you know. And now, now this, and so you know, I like to, I like to see how many of my cohorts back in the time really share my views in the panic for where our nation is going now. You know, I feel like it, it woke a lot of people up to a lot of different things that, that, like, you wouldn't have gotten exposed to had you not stumbled in to the DPC, and have your mind opened to all this other shit,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=69.0,72.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/211","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:1: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=73.0,72.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/212","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:1: all this other shit in so many ways, because it's not just you walking in the door there, it's you walking in the door with other 100 people there that night, and who you talk to, and who you met, and who you brought into your personal fold, you know, and how that, that is a network and a web to this day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=73.0,72.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/213","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:1: Yeah, so much of going there established my worldview and the way I conduct myself and what I wanted to pursue in life. So, I thank you, and Bruce, and Steve for giving me the opportunity to.. we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=73.0,72.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/214","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:1: just, dude, we just wanted to have fun. I mean, because when I later in life went and opened a bar of my own, it was really where downtown meets Border Town and Cow Town. Sometimes there were more Longhorns in town than people, and it was a very conservative town, and they never, like an overwhelming majority of the town never really took the time to get to understand where I was, I'm like, I just want to make this a better place, and if you're not going to support me, I'll find the people that will, and so I mean, I hosted bands in there that wouldn't have, would never have played in that area had I not been there, and watching locals wander in with their cowboy hats, chewing tobacco with Courage Light in their hand, and seeing punk rock for the first time, like in their space, in their turf, priceless, absolutely priceless, but. I learned that if, if I'm going to put things on the stage that I'm not enjoying, because I think the locals are going to appreciate it, but they're just going to boycott me anyways. Why the fuck am I doing that? I'm going to put on something that I want to see, and I, I have no regrets about doing that. I have no regrets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=73.0,74.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/215","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:1: Well, with that note, I appreciate your time and talking with you and spending time with Mouse.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=75.0,74.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/216","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:1: Poor Mouse, he's like going bored out of his mind.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=75.0,74.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/217","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:1: Thank you so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420#t=75.0,77.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170511/file/309420/transcript/95123/annotation/218","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/095/123/original/azu_ms858-006_a_transcript.vtt?1783370549","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/095/123/original/azu_ms858-006_a_transcript.vtt?1783370549"}]}]}]}