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My name is Socorro hero Jr. I enlisted in the Army in July 28 of 1987 I enlisted in my hometown of diamond, Oklahoma, and went through MIPS in Amarillo, Texas. On the 28th I arrived at Atlanta airport about midnight and took a bus to Fort Benning, Georgia, which is in Columbus. Georgia, got there about three o'clock in the morning. Was a map with some really aggressive drill sergeants. Never in my life have I felt this kind of humidity in the air. And was thinking, Oh, my goodness, what did I just do anyhow? Well, went through basic training with Fort Bender Georgia. It was all one station, unit training, where basic training and the it were held the same place. Graduated there in October 30 of 1987 from there, I went on two weeks leave. Two weeks leave was spent with my parents. Then after that, I flew us to Fort Lewis, Washington. We were part of a, what is called a, it's a unit that's that goes to basic training and advanced individual training together. It's a cohort battalion. We formed a cohort battalion, and we arrived in Alaska, Fairbanks, Alaska on November 15 of 1987 once we got there, took a bus from the airport to Fort Wayne ride Alaska, and basically in process that whole time I was stationed there for three years. The unit was fifth battalion at the Infantry Regiment, my main shoes, I was only going to three years and get out, and after the second year, I kind of enjoyed being an infantry guy. The reason I joined the Army was two reasons, one for the opportunities that this country gave my parents. They came from Mexico, became permanent residents and then became citizens and gave us a good life. Second, I wanted to make some other person die for this country and but didn't do it for the money, didn't do it for the college education. Just wanted to serve my country. I know that's kind of foreign in between, kind of rare these days, but there weren't my reasons. Anyway, got to Alaska, and Alaska was basically we trained to protect the northern hemisphere against countries during the Cold War, primarily in Russia. And during that time, our training consisted of training in Arctic weather. We would go out and train at minus 50 and minus 60 degree weather during the summer was basically time to go to school, relax. Didn't do too much during the summer, because our training opportunities weren't very good for us, because it would stay like 24/7, it was good during that time, while I was in Alaska, we got to do quite a few things. First time I ever went to the Joint Readiness Training Center, it was in Fort Chaffee, Arkansas. I hadn't moved to Fort Polk, Louisiana as of yet, so we went down there. And of course, when we went down there, it was wintertime in Alaska. Well, it's winter time, but we got to port Chaffee, Arkansas, and it was 78 degrees. And I thought we were about a dive. It was way too hot. And unfortunately, the whole time that we were in training, what they called the box, it rained for 10 days straight. And instead of training, they helped, they we had to help the Arkansas National Guard dam up rivers because it was flooding everywhere. And also had a lot of opportunities to go down to Wisconsin for Snelling and Fort Drum and Trent with those. Folks over there on Arctic operations. From there on November, November of 1990 I then went to Fort Sill, Arkansas, or Fort Sill, Oklahoma. And lot of people found it kind of strange that an infantry guy was going to for sale, because it's primarily artillery. However, they sent me there, because there was two platoons of infantry. And basically what we did there is we trained the field artillery officers, lieutenants, on how the infantry and artillery go hand in hand, primarily with the Florida observers on how to call for fire. During that time, we did Trent a lot of the first lieutenants, and I've done a lot of combined live combined live fire exercises, which was pretty fun. It was nice because it was my home safe, and I got to go home every other weekend. Spent two years there, and then I was put on orders to go to Germany. And I was first put on orders to go to Vilcek, and at that time, they thought I was airborne, but I wasn't airborne at the time, and so they changed my orders to they changed my orders like five times. I finally got to Frankfurt, Germany, and at the in processing center, my units changed five or six times, and I was finally given orders to go to the Berlin brigade in Berlin, Germany, and last guy out of the in processing center there, I arrived at 530 in the morning and left there at like six o'clock in the Evening. Only got changed uniforms like four times. Finally went in civilian clothes on the train to Berlin Germany. Spent two years in Berlin, Germany, really, really nice. It was great opportunity to see where the Berlin Airlift happened. Basically what that was, is back in World War Two, the US occupied West Berlin and the Russians occupied East Berlin. And that Berlin was sector into four different countries. We had the British sector, the French sector, the American sector, and then, of course, the Russian sector. During that time, when I was at Berlin, we got the opportunity to go on a operation which was a peacekeeping mission. Didn't care too much for the UN peacekeeping mission, but the opportunity to go train in another country. We went to Macedonia and spent six months there. Basically what we done there is to protection force, to guard against black marketing from from those countries surrounding Macedonia, and that was fun. From there, we would deploy back to to Berlin and 1990 July of 1994 they designated that Berlin brigade was going to close down. So they gave us the opportunity to pick where we wanted to go. And I decided I was going to Fort Campbell, Kentucky. And so in 1994 I got to Fort Campbell, Kentucky. I was stationed I was with the first of the five, oh, Second Infantry. Spent three years there, from 94 to 97 during that time, lot of fun, lot of fun, basically going out in the field, going to school. I did get the opportunity to finish my degree, and went to took the all night courses, which was really cool. From there, I was put in my packet to go to drill sergeant school. However, the army decided they wanted to make me a recruiter, which was okay, I guess didn't really care for but I guess the army needed recruiters, and they sent me in August of 1997 to Omaha, Nebraska to recruit. Well, that was that wasn't a joy. The recruiting at that time was not good, primarily because I was in. Omaha. We had seven large recruiting stations. We had three small recruit stations, plus we had an Air Force base there, so we had to compete with the Air Force on recruits and but yeah, it took most of my time. I worked six days a week, from eight o'clock in the morning to eight o'clock at night one Saturday, off a week or a month, and basically done that for three years, and was so happy to get out of there, returned back to Fort. Campbell. Was a member of the third, three to seven infantry regiment that was 2000 to 2003 were. We were out training, as we call the back 40 in Fort Campbell, and was injured, and which required me to either take a medical or to reclass into another MOS. And so at that time, I probably had 15 years in and decided that I was not going to retire or get a medical out. And I had 15 years, and I wanted to reach 20 years for my retirement. So I was given two options. One was being equipped for the military, for the army or military intelligence. And that was pretty much an easy what I was going to do. I wasn't about to flip burgers or eggs for anybody in the morning. So I went MI. I request in May of 2000 2003 Yeah, I think it's 2003 and from that point, they removed me from the infantry battalion and was sent to the 101, sustainment for system I gave and worked up at the g2 for the 101st serving, because went to a it as a Sergeant First Class to Fort wachuca, Arizona, and was went through the 96 Bravo, all source intelligence, which is now changed to 35 bucks, graduated school and went back to Fort Campbell, where I picked up my weapon and went off to Iraq in 2003","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=5.0,761.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and we was in Mosul, Iraq, spent 12 months there and read the board back in February, somewhere in 2004 spent Six months back at Fort Campbell, and were given orders to go back to Iraq.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=762.0,785.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And in 2005 we redeployed back to Iraq, and where we landed in just south of Mosul in QR over West and spent 13 months there, initially 13 months, and were delayed another four months because the unit wasn't they, they didn't send the unit over there, so we basically stayed there another Four months. So that was what? 16 months. 1617. Months, redeployed back to Iraq, from Iraq to Fort Campbell, and that was 2006 when I got back. And I knew I had one more year, and I knew we were getting ready to deploy, but by that time, I was kind of broken and wasn't. My needs were bad, and it just got to the point where it was probably the best to retire. So I'm not taking somebody's slot and not combat effective. So I decided to put my paperwork in to retire, and July of 22,007 I retired from the army with 20 years and three days from there, I decided that I was going to try to find a job around Fort Campbell. And at that time, there wasn't really much opportunities, and so I decided to find work as a contractor. So in October of 2007 I was hired by elderly communications and went back to Iraq this time to back there. Had to work as a Intel guy over there, and that was that consisted of going to the prisoner camps and doing analysis on on those folks that were captured to determine that they were a threat to the armed forces. I've done that for 16 months. We deployed back after that. Got tired of doing that, 12 on, 12 off, seven days a week kind of gets to you, especially being nighttime, Night Shift and determined that wasn't very good quality of life. We came back, took a job as an inspector general working for the Kentucky National Guard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=786.0,959.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I was prior in May of 2009 and from 2009 to 2022 I was Inspector General for the Kentucky National Reserve. That was that was different.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=960.0,979.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I got a lot of joy out of helping soldiers with they had issues with problems that that could have been fixed at the command level, but however, due to certain circumstances, they either they didn't know or didn't know what they were doing. So wrong and so but that was, that was that was a good time. Done that for 13 years, decided that I didn't like the East Coast Kentucky, primarily the weather and hot, humid, no, winters were nothing but snow and rain. So I decided I was going to move out West, worse nice and hot and dry and better weather year round. And so I was hired on to work at the United States Army Center of intelligence exit the United States Army Intelligence Center of Excellence, and where I am currently working as a as a special security specialist. Been doing this since 2022 and find this job rewarding, work with some great folks, and pretty much that is it for my, for my military and civilian. However, if Steven, if you have any other questions for me, I'll be glad to answer, yeah, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=980.0,1078.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: when you join his infantry man in 87 Why would you say the training has changed? And then is it in a positive or a negative light from 87 to now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=1079.0,1088.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, I haven't been in army since then, in infantry training, but I know there was a time. There was a period where training kind of wasn't as difficult, effective. And I'm not trying to toot my own whistle here, but when I came in the Army in 1987 in Fort Benning Georgia, things were things were totally different. I'm not saying they abused me, but they got to attention pretty quick, and there was no circle coating anything. It was what it was. You're an infantry guy. You're expected to be rough, tough, shoot, move, communicate, and not be a whiner, because your buddy's life depended on it. And of course, I've heard stories of stress cards and this and that, that kind of gentler army. And I remember when I was at Fort, Campbell had a brand new soldier and put them in the front Lane arrest because it was late, like five times, and the only way to get through them is either take their time or make a bush. And he pulls out a card. And I looked at him, I said, What is this? It's a stress card. You are required to give me 15 minutes. You're required to not talk to me for 15 minutes. I looked at that card and ripped it up and threw it in his face and said, keep pushing. I said, that don't fly here. You're not in basic training. You're not in a it anymore. I don't care what that card says, push and so I. And then hit to the point where, right before I got out, they started allowing females in the combat positions. I have no problem with females in the combat position, but they're expected to do the same things as males. I said, you know, I'm not one of these. Way one call it a female hating guy, no, if they can do it. Matter of fact, I know some females that could run circles around some, some of the Army's toughest infantry guys, Rangers, best forces. But no, I have no problem with that. But however, there are some that come in and can't handle it. I think that degrades readiness. As far as an infantry guy, if you have to worry about somebody that can't hold their own, and that could be a guy too, you, we'd have to you went out to weak links, where there's a male he's not cut out for he's not cut out for that. I guess I was too stubborn and wasn't gonna let nobody tell me any different. So anyway, but yeah, it's changed a lot, because it changed a lot. I don't know right now. Have we ever, you know got new Secretary of Defense, hopefully things go back to what's supposed to be like, because our nation depends on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=1089.0,1295.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I think you hit on it. So when you're joining, when you're joining, they kind of push you into the infantry, or is that just what you went in and wanted","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=1296.0,1304.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: to do? No, I took what's called an ASVAB test, and they take the test and they see your scores. And of course, at that time, I didn't know what my options were, whether my recruiter was lying to me, telling me, yeah, you can't have that job. But there's, there's certain things that have to happen for you to to get a job that you want. First of all, you have to have the scores to basically get that job. Second of all, there has to be an opportunity. If those jobs are filled, then they're not available, then you can do one of two things. You can either pick another job or call the what the branch. Branches call that the rock. And they say, Hey, we have this guy really wants to go into this position. You find him in opening either he says yes or no. And most nine times out of 10, dollar to keep you from not joining, they will do that position so but the infantry, I wanted to be an infantry guy. I didn't want to sit behind a desk. I didn't want it to be cooking. I didn't want to be doing any other stuff. I wanted to be an infantry guy, and even though I had to score two other more technical jobs. I said, No, if I'm an infantry guy, I get the training I want and gives me more opportunity to go to school. Because when you get a clerical work job, you stay in that office all the time, the only opportunity you have to go to school. Is there a night or on weekends? So I was like, no, he's a good, good dude. Shoot, move. I love guns. I like to shoot. I like to do the crazy stuff, lapel, everything. One thing I did get the opportunity to do is go to Airborne School. That's okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=1305.0,1424.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: The time is when you were recruiter, the days they signed you out there in Nebraska, right? Did you pick it down? Now they kind of let you pick where you want to go. No,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=1425.0,1435.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: they didn't. That was a lot of it's funny, because we were at the recruiting school itself in South Carolina, Fort Jackson. I don't have to change the name on it, but I still call it for Jackson, and we're doing training, and everybody's doing point three, of course, is good. However, there was some folks that said, I don't want to be recruiter. I don't want to do this. I'm going to fill my job. I'm going to fill my test second back. And they basically said, you can, you can go ahead and fail your test, but we're still going to make you a recruiter. The only thing is, your choice is where we send you. If we know you're trying to fail your test, we're going to send you some of the worst places and so but now that every time that I put myself in a position to train learn, I gave it all my best. I said, you know, if I if I fail, it's not because I didn't try. Yeah, and like I said, You. A monkey could could be a recruiter, as long as it didn't lie. Actually, that's a different story. But so they sent me to Omaha, Nebraska, and I said, That's not too bad, until it found out that all the things that had a fight against whether it was, whether it was the Air Force, recruiting people. Of course, we had some really good benefits if you join the army. However, the at that time, the unemployment rate was really, really low in Omaha's. Basically they were hiring people at Burger King and McDonald's for $15 an hour, and that was 2000 that was 1997 so how can you compete with that? And of course, if you join the NASA guard, that was 100% tuition, and they don't hang away from home, and they only worked two weekends, two days out of the weekend, and two weeks out of the year. So it was really rough, but, and there's a lot opportunity for for these other services to grab applicants. So it was it was rough, but I made it through and made me a better person.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=1436.0,1582.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: You think that, like I said, hard time contributed to the exceeding your quarter 25%","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=1583.0,1590.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Oh, yeah, we were required to put two, two people in month. I had it back from the beginning, because the recruiter that left, he had seven applicants, and they transferred them to me. Well, these seven applicants decided not to ship, and were told by by the past recruiter. He goes, Just sign, just sign, just sign. And then when I leave, you can just tell them you don't want to ship. So that's what happened to me, and they try to put that against me, but I was like, you can't really write me up for that. You can't put it on my NC OER, because these guys are technically not in the army. They're your only delayed entry program, and so they're not they're not under UCMJ. They're basically non characterized So, but, yeah, it was, it was rough. It was rough trying to put two people. You get one, sometimes you would, you wouldn't get any. Sometimes you get three.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=1591.0,1654.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Then you're talking about you get one Saturday. What a month? How was that with family?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=1655.0,1660.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, that was so in our recruit station, unless you had met your quota and exceeded it and exceeded so if you had order two and you had to put another one, you wouldn't have to work Saturdays. That was that month. However, if you didn't have any you worked Monday through Saturday, from eight o'clock to eight o'clock at eight o'clock morning to eight o'clock at night, trying to find people. Oh, just calling people, calling people. It was, it was funny little story on that. I remember one time I called, we had these books called lrls, leave and find out ways, and somebody made a new book. And so I saw some names on there. I noticed that some of these people had never been called well, so I thought, first one I called, called young lady and stated My name and, you know, ask really typical questions that, and was cut off and was told, listen, I have told you guys many times I am not joining the military. I'm not joining this. I don't believe in the military. I believe that we shouldn't have a military in this country, and basically, with other few choice of letter. And so, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, sorry. I said, first of all, I don't know who you are, and I don't know I'm looking at a book that I'm supposed to call and it doesn't state that do not call you that you've never been called anything like that. So I'm sorry I won't bother you anymore. However, that wasn't enough, and she proceeded to degrade me and degrade the army and degrade everybody. So I got to the point where I gave her choice words, and then she didn't love this country. She could go back or go to some other country where you have no freedoms, and slam the phone. Well, 10 minutes later, the father calls me and says, Did you talk to my daughter like this? Did you tell her this and that? And I said, Well, you. Don't understand your daughter was out of control. So I basically told her, I said, go, go to some other country. You don't let this country take you and and your family and go somewhere else where there's no freedoms. And he basically like daughter, like father, and so I slam the phone on and got a call by my commander and my students at refuge Station. Commander said, Did you say this? This? I said, Yes, I did, and I stand behind that. He said, Okay, no problem. Just don't call anymore. Fast Forward, a year later, I get a call, and I'm pretty good at remembering things and voices, and I've heard this voice somewhere, and it was a female, and she told me, my dad wants to talk to you, and I'm thinking that, Oh gosh, what's what's happening now? So Father comes on. Do you remember about a year ago that he called my daughter and I called you because this what kind of jobs are available? My daughter needs to join the military, and basically, and of course, you know, no harm, no foul, that's here. We got opportunities for your daughters. And so went out and spoke with him. She ended up joining the military and went in the medical field, and so that was kind of weird. It's just never know how certain people are feeling that day, and you got to give them the benefit of the doubt that in this world, not every day is is the best day. Some people have problems and don't know. And so if you treat people with kindness and respect, then you know it'll come back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=1661.0,1906.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: You're saying boosted the career, going recruiter over drill at all? Well, I guess being good at recruiting boosters,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=1907.0,1915.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I think I would have been good at drill sergeant recruiting was okay. Taught you a few things on how as part of recruiting was good, because they they let you take courses on how to sell. And, of course, you know, you take some Zig Ziglar courses. I'm not sure. Maybe that guy, he's a Purdy, famous guy on how to how a person. So, I mean, he said, I could sell, like an art of the deal, kind of, oh, yeah, yeah. And basically, you can always sell something, because there's needs that people want. And if you could sell your wife, you can sell the arm. But yeah, it was good. As far as the drill sergeant. I really want to go drill sergeant, because I like working with soldiers, instructing Yes, instructing them,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=1916.0,1975.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, not better. That was always my thought I wanted to do was drill, because I like to instruct over, but with dangers I had. I think recruiting was in now it doesn't really matter. 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I mean, you don't have to what happened? I mean, what? Well, if you feel free, dogma, no, no, no. I was in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2013.0,2022.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: the back 40 at Fort Campbell. And Fort Campbell is known for sinkholes, because this is nothing but sinkholes, matter of fact,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2023.0,2031.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: kind of like Hawaii with the gulches, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2032.0,2036.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And so we were doing night operation, and of course, we've got nods. And you know, at that time, the the nods weren't that great, not like they are now. And we're walking, I got probably 8590 pounds on my back, and we're doing a movement front tank. And next thing I know, there's no ground, and I fall into the 15 foot sinkhole. And when I landed, my knees didn't bend like this. They bent out like that. And so it ripped all my ligaments, ligaments and everything out. There was a time for about three to four months that I couldn't walk. Didn't require surgery, but yeah, they said, Yeah, you can't be an industry guy anymore. You're you're done, you're done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2037.0,2084.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, you Med, med reclass,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2085.0,2086.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: yeah? So they said, get a medical, yeah, medical, and lose the five other years that I had to retire or to reclass and so. All said, Now I'll reclass. And it was good. It was kind of a blessing in disguise, actually. Because as an MI person, you get a top secret clearance, whereas an infantry guy, you get a secret clearance unless to the point you make e7 and then you're required to have a Ts, Ts and so, and that was good job. Opened up a lot of job opportunities. And the the Mi field was, I like it. I like it a lot as it gives you, makes you think I a lot of good jobs,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2087.0,2145.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: 35 human right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2146.0,2147.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: or 35 all sorts of clothes. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2148.0,2150.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: is that, is that, is that human place? Or is it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2151.0,2154.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: it's, it's where you take the second, the MN, all the intelligence disciplines, and you analyze everything and give a final product to trips on the ground. Oh, a lot of that was fun, especially in Iraq, because we do a lot of detective analysis, and which was really good, because it saves a lot of soldiers lives. We take incidents, certain things that happen at this time, at this hour, and the and the methods that they use, and you could pretty much predict when they were come back at what hour, where they were going to put this closes. It was like clockwork, not saying good patterns, yeah, yeah. Patterns. And humans are creatures of habit, and if it fails, they don't use that one. If it succeeds, they use it again. And so it was, it was fun because we could predict when they were going to be. But yeah, when I was it was fun because in 2003 we were putting Raleigh barracks, of course, you know being, I guess, what they call musties. And the only time we saw the brand new students, the AIT students, that were never prior service, was during the classroom. And that the courses I was going through, it was, it was easy, especially the Napa region, because, you know, been an extra guy, you know, out of map or even, and so the the intelligence, ait was pretty much a cake walk, which was nice, because during the weekends, we took off to Phoenix or Tucson, and it was just basically, we had to be there. But it was easy. It was a no brainer, yeah. And also gave us the opportunity to show these guys that never read a map, never done anything like that, to teach them in training, and teach them and train them on how to read the maps and just how to think as an infantry guy, because ultimately, as an Intel guy, you got to they support entry guys. 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For the civilian contracting first job out, what made you go with, I guess going over there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2307.0,2360.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, it was probably because there was a lot of opportunities there at Fort, Campbell, Clark, Jewel area. And one of the things was, I said, Well, as an Intel guy, I was making e7 peg, but if I go as a civilian, like Colonel day, it's like it started out 197,000 a year, with the first 94,000 being tax free as a grinder.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2361.0,2395.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But yeah, that was the that's primarily the reason i said i. When I get paid for what I was three times as much, yeah. So it was, it was good.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2396.0,2408.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I liked it as a contract over there, yeah, it was good. The only, the only drawback to that was you work seven days a week, 12 hours on, 12 hours off. And I worked from seven at night to seven in the morning. You do that for a year, and the body's not, yeah, not meant to stay awake at night and then sleep during the day, become nocturnal. Oh, yeah. And the bad part about that is, in Iraq, you know, during the summer you get off work. Never fail. Every time I get off work, I go back to my trailer. Well, the generators shut down, and that's 119 20 degrees, trying to sleep in a trailer. No, yeah, so yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2409.0,2459.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it was so and then the IG, I guess. How are the complaints hail being from? I don't know. And then, how's the chain work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2460.0,2469.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, as an IG, it was that was that was good. It was a good job. It was rewarding job. Because as an IG, you had different functions. One is assistance. That was probably the most. The thing that kept us busy the most assistance. You get an assistance call. Somebody calls up. You said, Yeah, I didn't get paid this week, or My pay is wrong. And first thing out of our mouths, have you spoken with your commander? Because as IGS, we do not have the authority to fix stuff. Yeah, we only look into it, and then we make recommendations, stronger recommendations, Commander has the authority to fix it, and nine times out of 10, they have never talked to Commander. And so we sent him back. And usually I'll tell him, I would tell him, I said, Listen, you ever talked to Commander? Either you can call him or I can call him and tell me you came to it, not going to get in trouble for it, but just so you know, the process, talk to your commander. Now, however, if you had already talked to your commander, commander told you to pound sand. Yeah. Now that's it appropriate. So then we will find the root cause of why you're not getting paid and find that out pretty quick, and that make calls through you know your finance guys and just different people, and nine times 10 out of 10, it's an honest mistake, or manager didn't know things of that nature. The other thing we did was inspections. Now inspections were the only inspection. IG inspection was for like intelligence, oversight, all the other inspections were command directed by, for example, for the Kentucky star, were attacked the Adjutant General of that state. And that would come on recommendations from us saying, Hey, we're having a lot of issues with hope. We're having a lot of issues with this, this, this, this, this and all. Basically, it was focused on redness. Your if your units aren't, your readiness is not there, then there's, there's a problem. So we find out the root cause, whether it was can't comply, won't comply, or didn't know. Yeah, yeah. Nine times out of 10 was didn't know. They didn't know what they were doing was wrong. Or can't comply. It's because you can't, you don't have the resources to make it, yeah, to comply, or won't comply, which is the worst ones is, you know, but you're not going to fix it anyway. Yeah? And so that was in also investigations, our investigations were primarily done for if somebody done something wrong in violation of a regulation or a policy, then we get involved. And of course, that was a little bit more in depth. We've done one investigation for whistleblower reprisal that was pretty lengthy, but that, I think that took the most of our time and probably could have been prevented. How, if commanders were more educated on what they can do and what they can't do,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2470.0,2680.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and then do one more question. Hang out. Feel free, and you don't feel like answering it. 911 How was that for you? Being in during that time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2681.0,2692.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: 911 I remember very clearly. We just got done. We. At Pt. I was at Fort Campbell. Just got done with PT, and I'm heading home, walk in, and my wife, at the time, sitting there looking at the camera or a TV. She got tears in her eyes, and I'm like, What are you doing? What are you playing? She said, look, look what's happening. And I looked at it, I was like, Oh, man. And I said, Well, maybe just somebody got lost. Something happened. It's just an accident. Then. And then we saw the second one going and it's like, yeah, that's another accident. And I took my shower, and I got back to my house at 730 in the morning after PT was done, I went back to work. I did not get in the gate until like 1400 so it took me seven, eight hours. They locked everything down. It was, it was pretty bad. I mean, they put people on, on, all the guards on, all the gates, locked and loaded, ready to go, gun trucks, everything. And that happened, stayed like that for about eight months until I figured it out, yeah, it was, it was a pretty rough time. It's a sad time. And soon as that happen? I said, Yep, we're gonna be wheels up somewhere to go find somebody take care of business. And I was like, Yep, this is what we signed up for. Go see that people. It's funny because when 911 happened, a lot of people started getting pregnant on purpose. Lot of people started breaking their own legs getting hurt so they wouldn't have like, yeah, that's Yeah. That's pretty cowardly. Yeah. Do this job to include diapers eventually, not this guy, yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2693.0,2819.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, that's all I got. You got something else you want to say? I appreciate you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2820.0,2825.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: rambling on and stuff like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859#t=2826.0,2828.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153150/file/281859/transcript/81683/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I appreciate you helping us out. Man, no worries. I'll let you know whenever i My pleasure. 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