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My great grandfather, on my mother's side, had left Chile Concepcion, Chile and through various mechanisms, he got to San Francisco and thence to Mexico, where his roommate from France, Ignacio pesqueta, had a home with his family, and they assured my uncle, my great great grandfather, and Miguel Gonzalez Roca, was his name. They assured him that they would set him up with a job and a this and a that. And ultimately, he was introduced to a young woman who was the daughter of a Spanish army officer and a Mexican resident. They married, and ultimately they came to Tucson because they were escorted out by pesqueta people because they were my great grandfather was a French sympathizer, having gone to school in France. And they were afraid at the time of Maximilian and all of that thing, that there would be problems. And so that's how they arrived in the US, first to California and then to Tucson. So that was on that side. My grandfather, on my mother's side, was a newspaper man from a long time newspaper family in Minnesota, and he came here for his health. In 1898 he first went to Phoenix, where he worked for the Arizona Republican. And then came to Tucson. He was recruited to be the managing editor of the Tucson I think it was called the Tucson citizen. Then it later became the Tucson daily citizen. And there you are. My first home. I was born in Texas. My father was a an army officer. He was a captain in the infantry. We lived well. His station when my mother married him was in Fort Sam Houston, which is where I was born, and we then moved from, let's see we moved from Fort Sam Houston to El Paso was where my father was appointed military science and tactics professor of the El Paso high schools. After that, everything kind of blew up, because while we went to Hawaii for the next two years during regular whatever times good times the war started just after that, World War Two, and from then on, we moved, oh my Goodness, all over the place, from from Texas to California to Colorado to Michigan to Massachusetts. My father was in g2 intelligence that was and consequently we never knew what he was doing. But we moved a lot, and so we had it was kind of a lot of fun. Well, my mother didn't really glow up. Grow up in anywhere but Tucson. Her father was appointed to work for Ernest Lewis, who was his boyhood friend, and he had been appointed the first let's see superior court judge in Arizona, in globe. And Ernest had been appointed, and he said to my grandfather, the journalist. He said, Georgie, I want you to come work for me as my clerk of the court. And Georgie said, I can't do that, Ernest. I'm a newspaper man. And Ernest said, you know George the code of the West says when a friend calls you, answer. Sure, so that's why the family moved to globe for several years, and my mother had very fond memories. We went several times to visit globe and her former haunts, and their home was just up the street from the court, and she went to a hanging of a Chinese national who she was taken there by the house boy named him Q. He said, Miss yen ya would go to a hanging. And she said, Oh, that sounds like fun for an eight year old. And so she she said that was kind of an interesting blip in a young child's life. And then they came back to Tucson, the the copper mining was, and I can't tell you that must have been in 19, perhaps, oh, 19, eight or 10. I don't know when was. When it was, was G, W, P, Hunt was governor, because he used to visit globe a lot, and whatever that span of time was, was when they were in globe. Well, I only came to Tucson when I was about 11, something like that. My we had lived all over the place, as I was an Army brat, as were still called, and we, we during the beginning of the war, my father was stationed in various places all over the country. However, when he was got orders to go overseas, that meant that we came back to Tucson to stay with my grandparents. And so we did. We had a big old two story house on Fourth Avenue, my mother and I, as well as my mother's sister and her two children. So we crowded into this house. My grandparents didn't know what had hit them. They had had three kids running around all the time, and and two and their two daughters who were attractive young women who really wanted a kind of a social life. But you know, what were they to do? It was a town full of women, so that's mostly what I remember, is starting at that point. And I walked to school every day, to Ross Ridge school, and my cousins went to another school. They went to a Catholic school, and consequently, I we had each other at home on the weekends, but we had a good time. Became lifelong friends because of that, and I have very fond memories of Tucson. I was ultimately taken out of rascrouge because that was a time when there was developing a problem with young Mexican men who were wearing zoot suits, and they were called pachucos, and they had really big knives. And I don't know what they did with those knives, but they brandished them to the point where nobody felt very good sending their their kids to raspberries school. So I was then put in billike Rondell at St Joseph's Academy, which was in an old home, an old estate out east, and had a lot of good friends there. I then went to Tucson High School, which were my most telling times as they are, for most people, I think high school ends up being the sweetest of times. Maybe not today, but in those times, we were fairly innocent. We didn't think so. But when you think now we sold our parents cigarettes, which was a tough thing to do, you know, sneak the cigarettes out. We did not drink. We didn't, you know, our parents had a bar, but we didn't drink. So we had. Slumber parties, and we had dances, and we had a lot of fun. We had a good time rationing, World War Two, rationing, but ration books that had stamps in them, and you would tear out a stamp for one thing or three stamps for another thing, leather shoes were a big one, so you couldn't have shoes too often. I can't remember what else were on ration stamps, of course, gasoline and also saving tin foil. It wasn't aluminum foil then, and it was tin foil. And my mother and her sister smoked Camels, and camels were lined in paper backed by foil, and we children would sit around and separate the foil from the paper, which kept us busy, and we then rolled those all of that foil into big balls, and ultimately, you turned those balls into a center where they were taken for what was called, in quotes, the war effort. Everything was for the war effort. Bacon grease was for the war effort. I remember those things pretty well my father, who came home because he was ill, he was on general Eisenhower's staff in Paris. They had no heating. It was it was bitterly cold, and their food was spotty. They had a really rough time that post war Paris, and my father began to shake and and whatever the symptoms were, I don't remember. He was sent back here to William Beaumont General Hospital, which was at Fort Bliss is still, and my mother and I went there. Stayed in the Red Cross house, which was right across from the hospital and a beautifully appointed little area for families. I was put in school there in high school, my first year in high school. Ultimately, my father was diagnosed with Hodgkin's disease. Consequently, at that time, there was nothing to do for Hodgkin's. It was just a death sentence. And so he received whatever treatment he could, was made comfortable and then allowed to come back to Tucson. And He came back to Tucson for a few months, and then he and my mother went back to to the hospital at Beaumont, and which is where he died. I was left here with my grandfather, and that's when life was one big change for me. So my grandfather, my grandmother had died, so my grandfather, my mother and I were a three generation family on Fourth Avenue, and that was a life like no other. It was great in lots of ways. It was a great life because my grandfather, who had come here so early, had multitudes of friends all over the state from being a journalist, my mother got a job as the first executive director of the what is now the Tucson Museum of Art, called the Tucson, Tucson Art Center. So she made a lot of friends in the arts, plus her a lot of her childhood friends. Consequently, we had people cycling through that house that was just constant, and which was wonderful for both of them, as well as for me. It was, it was, I have had a very rich and full and wonderful life because of my family. I mean, they provided me with more than I can ever. Imagine any family having for their children. Well, you know, my grandfather would have his buddy sitting around in the den, and they'd be drinking scotch and smoking pipes and cigars and like a dutiful little girl or young woman, I would pass the hors d'oeuvres or whatever they were, and my grandfather would say, Oh, honey, would you get Mr. Bergonia a plate or a napkin or something. Well, Mr. Bergonia, Mr. This, Mr. That. Later on, when my family and I did a lot of traveling around the state and camping, I recognized those names as being names on a courthouse or somewhere around Prescott or Flagstaff, and they were all old friends of my grandfather, so that always struck me. And then my mother had had a lot of friends in the arts who perhaps weren't that noted for their art. Perhaps they were somewhere tad Nichols or, well Elliot Arnold, who wrote blood brother. He was a an interesting author, others whose names I can't remember, but they sat and listened to my grandfather's stories of the Old West, and had a lot we all had a lot of fun the stone my heavens. I can't even begin to tell you, there were stories of the Panama mining swindle that that he uncovered in Cochise County. There were stories of can't remember right now, a lot of them were written up in in different magazines of that era, and a lot of those magazines were maybe like true detective or Something. Now I don't know, but I really don't the spanazuma mining swindle sticks out to me because I know often people let me know that they're doing research on that life in the what would that be the 50s and 60s and 70s, I guess it was, it was fun. We had a lot of friends, circle of friends that people I had grown up with or gone to college with, people he knew from law school. We picnic, we we both played the guitar, so we were always off lugging the guitars somewhere. We dragged our children everywhere, out to the washes, where we'd sit and drink beer. It. It was an active time, and also a time when mostly young wives did not work. Well, I worked, I had part time, and I had several different jobs, and I still to this day think that a woman who maintains a working life of something she's interested in, maintains her life and her intellect, all of the things that make old age like mine a really wonderful one, because you kind of keep at it. It was it all came at once, civil rights, the end of the war. Kind of veterans rights, women's, women's, and civil rights and war and the 60s and in San Francisco, Joan Baez drumming her guitar. Our LSD, marijuana, all of the things that it was just an explosive time, really explosive. And I think a time from which we all benefited. I know that there was a lot of stuff that came out of that that has helped us understand ourselves better today, not all of us, but I think we were enabled by opening our minds, not through drugs particularly, but through having to be a part of something that we may not have agreed with, but we needed to listen. We needed to listen to new ideas. We needed to listen to our children and all of what was about to take over my working life at the Arizona citizen, or a Tucson citizen, was mainly as editor of what then was the tabloid section on the weekend, called the Home section, and it was kind of interesting, because I didn't know beans about how to do a feature On a house from an architectural standpoint, from any standpoint, but I was on a fast track, and I had a couple of architects who, who took me under their wing, took me all over town, looking at houses, looking at the balance of light in A room, at all of the elements that go into making a house a home, instead of just a building. And so I did that. And the reason the citizen had started this home section was interesting. They started the home section as well as the gossip column, which I helped with for years to under a pseudonym. They started those things on a Saturday because those were the days when the paper was the the lowest circulation. And they thought, well, how are we going to up the circulation on Saturday? I mean, the men don't come downtown and buy the paper and take home to their wives. The men are not at work on Saturday. So what they did was start the home section and the gossip column. Consequently, the circulation just just took off. So that went for a long time. I am trying to think what I did after that. I just did kind of I never did any investigative stuff at the paper, which makes me feel very glad, because there that's a tough go. That's a really tough go. When I worked at the Republican Phoenix, I worked on the copy desk, and also I was put on the women's pages to and that was kind of fun, because I would cover whatever I was interested in, in doing. So I, one time I did a story on how it was to be a salesperson at Goldwater's. So I was a salesperson behind maybe it was the cosmetics counter. I don't know. I've never known anything about cosmetics, so that's probably what it was. So what I did in in Phoenix on the women's pages, I kind of engineered my own stories a lot of the time, and working behind the cosmetics counter at Goldwater's was interesting, because I people would come and say, Oh, what do you think of this blush? How does this suit my complexion? And I get a little brush out and dab things on them. I hadn't a clue as to what I was doing, but it was kind of a game. And actually. Way, I ended up with some pretty good people. I looked okay, but they would then buy a particular thing, and I'd sell it to them, dinged it up on the cash register, and that was my first go around with a cash register. So then I'd write the story. I once interviewed a very famous actress who had come to she landed in Phoenix and was going up to verdy Valley School, which is where my in laws taught a private school in Sedona. She was going up there for a fundraiser that they were doing, and so I met her at the airport and did a story on her, and she was very dismissive of me, very New York, very kind of, so I had to kind of make up a lot of that. I mean, not make it up so much as embellish it. I just did a ring. Oh, let's see. It was three names. I'll think of it, but not immediately. I have delayed thinking Barry Goldwater was a childhood friend of my mother's, so that's how I met him, but not at the store. He was not very active, I don't think at that time and in the mercantile business, but he was a lovely, lovely man. He was kind, and I helped with his campaign when I lived here. And he was just very good to people, which, you know, his politics were, were in that at that time, considered pretty way out today they would certainly not be. I think I met jossler One time because my closest friend was named Patsy Murphy and her father, John Murphy had developed the foothills the he opened the Catalina Foothills, and they were the ones who brought josler to Tucson from, I think it was Mexico that jostler had lived. So they brought josler here as he was there, almost their own architect for a long time in the foothills. And I don't really remember too much more than that about him. What about the burpees when you're called Murphys? Murphys were great, John and Helen. They lived over on Speedway in a wonderful house that's now the McDonald's house, or at least was the McDonald's house. Maybe not anymore. They were very open to all kinds of things, new things. Helen collected Spanish colonial furniture and art. She was around a lot with her children. I know that they made wonderful donations, not only to the historical society, but I think, to the Tucson Museum of Art. But I don't remember much about that, except that when I worked at the Historical Society, the curator of the museum, I think that's what her title was. No, no. She was an assistant curator. Marcia Anderson got to know the Murphys very, very well, as did the curator Pierce Chamberlain. And they visited the Murphys a lot and learned about every item down to the tedious element in that item, whether it be silver or furniture or whatever. And I think that Marcia Anderson may have written something on the Murphys, maybe a maybe an article for the journal, I'm not sure, but I was not terribly caught up in that. We lived on Ninth Street, just a few blocks from here, and I don't remember some of us were standing around. One day and said, you know, what we really need here is a volunteer group, volunteer support group, which is what a lot of nonprofits have, and they do a lot of consciousness raising and money raising because they can have events. So what we did, we got, let me think, we got chairs from the historical society. They brought them out. We got some donations, Chuck and Pat Pettis. She was from the O'Reilly family. Chuck and Pat Pettis were part of that group, and they gave us, I think, 100 bucks for wine and cheese, and we invited a bunch of people to come and listen to our ideas about forming a volunteer group, and so we did. It didn't support any specific part of the historical society. I think it was a actually something for the director to to have his discretion. I don't remember that, but we started with events, and worked up to having the book fair and then the children's book fair. So whether we did any good financially, I don't know, but we we got our our names out there. I knew that when I was divorced, I still had a 10 year old child at home. The others were old enough to have either left for college or been pretty much on their own. So it was the 10 year old who was a concern, and I knew that I needed to have a job with some benefits. And so I sat down and I wrote. I was so nervy that was ridiculous. I sat down and wrote notes to people in the university on the university staff or administration, or some people I knew, and I said, I need a job, and I want to work at the University of Arizona, and I would love to talk to you about that, so I'll call you in four days and I'll make an appointment with you. Well, they couldn't very well refuse to make an appointment with me, and particularly because I said, I'll call you in four days. I don't know why I even did that ultimately, and I talked to a bunch of different people. Ultimately, somebody called me and they said, we'd like you to come to work at the planetarium, doing our PR and also managing the gift shop. And I said, Okay, I don't know anything about astronomy. I you know, I can say Twinkle, twinkle, little star. That's about it. But I was game, and it was a great place to work. I learned a lot. It was just wonderful. And so I worked there for several years, and then I got a call one day saying, we have an opening in the news office as editor of the faculty staff newspaper, and we'd like you to come and interview for it. And I'm trying to think who that was anyway. So I went and I interviewed for that, and I think the whole thing was because of my connections to journalism and to the Tucson community, not because I had any expertise at all, but that I reached into the community and the university needed that. They needed more exposure. And so I did that for 18 years. There was nothing really noteworthy enough that I can, oh, one thing, a man on the faculty wrote a letter to the editor, which I had started a letter to the editor column, because I thought that was pretty important. And. And it was, oh, I can't even remember what it was. He was arguing some point, and it was an anti University kind of thing. So he was angry, and he wrote this, well, I talked to my boss, head of the office, and she said, you might want to talk. I said, I want to run this. And she said, Well, you might want to talk to the university attorney, and just to be sure. And so I called Jim and said, let me show you the letter. Couldn't at that point. I couldn't send it or fax it or whatever. There was nothing like that. So I took the letter over to him, I guess. And he said, don't run it. And I said, Well, why? And he said, Just don't run it. It's not you mustn't do that. And I said, Well, why? It's not libelous. He said, Well, no, it's not libelous. And I said, Well, is it anything else that that crosses a legal line? And he said, No. And so I said, Okay, I'm going to run it. And my boss said, go for it. Do whatever you think. And I did, and it, you know, it received a little bit of kickback, but nothing much. And the man phoned me, and he said, thank you. I didn't think you'd run a letter like that. He said, I think you've opened the door to a conversation that needs to be had. I think free speech is really important. And I think there is a free speech corner at the university, or at least there was for many years, and I think there may still be on the mall. I think it's terribly important that we not dump free speech and close the doors even further in academia, I think there was an overreaction to the students, not just here, but everywhere. I think it could have been handled better. Don't ask me how, but I think it could have been handled better in a way, more respectful of the students. Granted, there were some out side influencers there. I understand that. I understand that I wasn't there wasn't a part of it. I perhaps am naive about the whole thing, but I do believe in the element of free speech for faculty. I mean, faculty certainly have it. When you think about a lot of faculty, people are there because they say it's the only place that I have a free voice. Academic freedom is at the base of what we do, and it should be for the students as well. Well, my grandfather was mining editor of The Arizona Republican, and so he traveled all over the state, and there were mining was a pretty big deal. I mean, it was, it was a lot of mining going on, and so he would find different stories in different places. Well, he found one story that seemed a little bit off for him in that it was a man who was a very, seemingly very wealthy man who had developed a mine in Cochise County somewhere. And the man was traveling back and forth from the East Coast, and he brought people from the East Coast to visit his mine. Well, apparently, what this guy had done was salted the mine with valuable elements, whatever they were, copper, of course. And these people who were visiting from the east would say, Ah, yes, I want to get in on this. So they would make out a check for him. And this happened and happened and happened and he got a. A good pile of money, and then apparently he was about to take off with it. Well, that's a little muddy in my mind, but Georgie sniffed around and he said, This doesn't look right. This isn't crazy. This. There's not, they're not these kind of things in Cochise County that's growing out of the ground. So Georgie did a lot of work on the that facet of things, the geology, the mineralogy, all of that. And then he asked around about this man, and people said, Oh, well, you know, here's a guy with a lot of money, and we get people like that all the time. Well, anyway, ultimately, Georgie found that this man had built his people from the east coast of 1000s of dollars to support him and whatever he wanted supported. Certainly it was not a producing mine and the word Mazuma is an old word that means a lot of money. I don't know if anybody remembers that word, but it means a lot of money. And so spin Azuma was the name given to that that whole, whatever it was that happened. So the spinazuma mining scandal was what that was? Gosh, I went to the U of A straight from Tucson high as did a lot of my friends. We all went to the U of A our parents said, you sign up to go through rush and join a sorority, which we all did. Nobody ever questioned their parents judgment. You know, you did what you did, what they did. And we, some of us, were in one sorority, some and others, and I was in pi, beta, phi, along with several of my other high school friends, we had an awfully good time. We also did volunteer work. We were expected to keep up our grades. So we had study hours. We went on beer bus out to nine mile water hole, which was near sun, Xavier mission, big old, wonderful cottonwood trees and the wash, everybody had his or her own beer mug with their name on it. I still have mine. It holds brushes and combs in my bathroom. And so we had a pretty good time, and I, at one point, was put on the pan Hellenic Council, which means that you were a, you had a member from each sorority on this council, and took under advisement various ideas or whatever. And so I then became president of the Panhellenic Council. You know, I must have really talked my way. I mean, I just, I've always been a fraud. I just frauded my way into a lot of things, and that was one of them. And because I'm, I've never been a good administrator type. But anyway, I we had a good time. And so then, when I was a senior, I got an invitation, along with some of my friends, to a T at the Arizona inn, and the T was to help the women in charge of this community effort to choose a new Rodale queen. In those days, the Rodale queen was not chosen for her ability to ride a horse. It was her ability to hold a tea cup properly, to chat, carry on, be a good, good community person, all of the things that I can't imagine today, rode. Queen ever having to do. But at any rate, we all went to this tea, hats, gloves, the whole bloody scene. And one by one, we were in the library of the inn, and there was a little adjacent room and we went into the room and we were interviewed, and the Dean of Women from the university with whom I had worked when I was doing the Panhellenic work, Karen Carlson, was her name, nice woman seal Peterson, whose store was this where my mother had gotten her wedding dress when she and seal were both young. Those were two people I remembered on that group, there were probably five in total. And so then I went back out and had tea with all the others. Well, ultimately they came and they made their announcement and said, Well, we have chosen Miss Moore. And I said, What? What is this? Because my mother had said, you, they were nice enough to invite you. Need to go, and that was usually the way mothers, they were nice enough to invite you. And so I ended up as rodeo queen, and I had not ridden a horse for a long time, so I went out to steam pump ranch, and every day after classes at the university, I went out and practiced on the horse, the Palomino that I would be riding. And we got along fine. And so then the day of the rodeo parade, I rode the horse in the parade, and he was pretty frisky, really, I mean, very frisky, and more than he had been on the ranch, and I had to rein him in a lot, and so that was that. But the afternoon of the parade was the first day of the Rodale, and we were all out at the Rodale grounds on South six. And during that time of leading up to the rodeo, I had met the people who came to town to be a part of this promoting Tucson. One of them was named Gil young, or gib young, or something like that handsome movie star. Well, he tried to make moves with me and and, you know, I just rebuffed him, but it wasn't that big a deal. And so it came time for the grand entry of the Rodale the first day my family was all there. My aunt had come from California, my her children, they were all in the stands. There were 10,000 people in the stands. It was wild and colorful and just beautiful. The first thing that happens in the grand entry, or was, I'm not sure about now, the Sheriff's Posse is the most elegant group of men on their palominos, beautiful horses, and the sheriff's Fauci sitting straight in their saddles with very large American flags, very large, holding them in whatever the holder is, alongside a saddle. And they ride in together in a double line with the flag swiping along, and they're just beautiful. And they start out the whole grand entry that way, and in comes the rodeo queen. And so we did. We started out the Sheriff's Posse started out. I started out and rode between these two lines, and the horse started to run, and he ran, and I mean, he outran the Sheriff's Posse. I tried to ring. Him in. I even had a I had a crop. Nothing worked. He absolutely took off, and he started to run around the ring. Well, who should come in with this? Give young or whatever, and like the hero that he had been in every movie he had been in. He put his arm around me and pulled me from the saddle, and it was almost like a movie itself. And he pulled me off and said, You're safe. And the horse went running off. I learned later that that horse had had sleeping sickness on the ranch, and nobody had mentioned it because the horse had gotten over it. But apparently some of the side effects of sleeping sickness are something to do with the brain, some effect of on the brain. And so the horse had to be shot. He had just gone crazy, which was just criminal. He had never been in a crowd of people. If he had stayed on the ranch forever, he would have been fine, but the fact that he was a beautiful Palomino offered to the Rodale committee was the whole reason. And it What a loss I had on porters had had equipped me with a was a tan suit, tight, tight pants embroidered down the side with flowers and across the yoke and a wonderful hat, which I still have. Yeah, I had a great outfit. Well, you know, it's been a lot of change in culture, and the culture of the country of the town, Tucson was a pretty let's face it, a pretty small town at that point, and yet It worked together on all kinds of things. And we were, as children, brought up with the idea that when you are given the riches of a community, doesn't have to be money, it's just a lot of the wealth and people, friendships, everything then you owe back. You need to give back to a community. 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