{"@context":"http://iiif.io/api/presentation/3/context.json","id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/iiif/7659c6sw36/manifest","type":"Manifest","label":{"en":["Episode 8724: Don Hummel"]},"logo":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/038/original/university-libraries-logo-2x.png?1711560609","metadata":[{"label":{"en":["Publisher"]},"value":{"en":["KPOL"]}},{"label":{"en":["Source"]},"value":{"en":["Eyewitness to History videocassettes, MS 685, box 1, tape 17"]}},{"label":{"en":["Agent"]},"value":{"en":["Chanin, Abraham S., 1921- (interviewer)","Hummel, Don, 1907- (interviewee)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Date"]},"value":{"en":["1987"]}},{"label":{"en":["Coverage"]},"value":{"en":["Arizona"]}},{"label":{"en":["Language"]},"value":{"en":["English"]}},{"label":{"en":["Description"]},"value":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAbraham (Abe) Chanin interviews former Tucson mayor Don Hummel.\u003c/p\u003e"]}},{"label":{"en":["Format"]},"value":{"en":["U-Matic"]}},{"label":{"en":["Identifier"]},"value":{"en":["MS685.017 (uid)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Relation"]},"value":{"en":["Eyewitness to History videocassettes (part of)"]}},{"label":{"en":["Type"]},"value":{"en":["Interviews"]}}],"summary":{"en":["\u003cp\u003eAbraham (Abe) Chanin interviews former Tucson mayor Don Hummel.\u003c/p\u003e"]},"provider":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/aboutus","type":"Agent","label":{"en":["University of Arizona Libraries"]},"homepage":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/","type":"Text","label":{"en":["University of Arizona Libraries"]},"format":"text/html"}],"logo":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/organizations/logo_images/000/000/038/original/university-libraries-logo-2x.png?1711560609","type":"Image"}]}],"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/160/224/small/azu_ms685-017_a.mp4_1653500364.jpg?1653500365","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224","type":"Canvas","label":{"en":["Media File 1 of 1 - azu_ms685-017_a.mp4"]},"duration":1651.243,"width":640,"height":360,"thumbnail":[{"id":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/collection_resource_files/thumbnails/000/160/224/small/azu_ms685-017_a.mp4_1653500364.jpg?1653500365","type":"Image","format":"image/jpeg"}],"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/content/1","type":"AnnotationPage","items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/content/1/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"painting","body":{"id":"https://aviary-p-arizona.s3.wasabisys.com/collection_resource_files/resource_files/000/160/224/original/azu_ms685-017_a.mp4?1653500349","type":"Video","format":"video/mp4","duration":1651.243,"width":640,"height":360},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224","metadata":[]}]}],"annotations":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["MS685-017 [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/1","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome to eyewitness to history, your personal trip through history. I trip through history as we experienced it, and remember it a trip through Living History. Professor Hnm, who was a veteran of a half century of Arizona journalism will be your God. You will visit with some of the state's most important personalities and your neighbors who are eyewitnesses to history. Today's guest is John Hummel, former mayor of Tucson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=54.0,137.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome to eyewitness to history. Our guest today is a pioneer from territorial days. Don Hummel, who served in World War Two with general Chanel was mayor of Tucson for three terms became a national figure with mayors groups and political groups and also in Washington. And, Don, I'd like to begin with you now on your arrival in territorial Arizona. When was that? And what was it like growing up in Tucson and territorial days?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=138.0,169.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: My father had come out ahead ahead of the family. And my mother and brothers and sisters came Christmas Eve and of 19 107. I was an infant of, of three months. Tucson was a dusty little community at that time, about three and a half square miles. no paved roads, many bars on the street many hitching posts on on Congress Street. The business was adapted to the horse wagon, not the automobile in those days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=170.0,210.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I'm interested to know as a youngster growing up in Tucson was your time that you dream that someday would be mayor, this city on the streets that you play that you with one time served as mayor for three terms","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=211.0,223.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that never ever crossed my mind either as a youth or as an individual. The first time that occurred was on day after Christmas in 19 152. I got a call from John Malloy. The attorneys that want to come out and see if you'll run for mayor and I said What's the joke? And they said no joke because group of us want to see if he'll declare for the mayor of Tucson. About 1010 came out and we talked about it. I wasn't too enthused. I said, I've just started my law practice again. I can't very well afford it. Somebody said well, we all talk about good government. When it comes our turn to do something about it. We can't afford it. Ended up by ran for mayor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=224.0,277.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: All right now. You served as mayor from 1955 1961. This was a crucial time in Tucson. And I wonder if you would tell us now some of the changes that came about your your administration in that period.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=278.0,293.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: annexation had been neglected for many, many years. There were five People living outside the city for everyone in the city who call Tucson, their their home. We hired Porter Homer, a professional city manager from Kansas City, Missouri. Porter is do a lot of credit, because he gave us the expertise that many of us lacked. annexation was our principal objective. And at the end of the our term, we had changed the city boundaries from 14 square miles to 72 square miles. And we had 220,000 people when we started with 50,000 people. This required a complete revamping of the tax structure and the city government of Tucson, they could no longer handle the expanded number of people and the area to be be served, so that the good part of our time was spent in and revamping the city city departments to meet this enlarged responsibility.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=294.0,373.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And I'm curious 30 years ago, was it even possible to envision what Tucson would become as you were looking for planning? Could you look that far ahead and say, Look, this is going to be a city that in the year 2000, may approach a million or go over a million people? Let's plan with Park was it possible 30 years ago,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=374.0,391.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: we had had continual growth, as shown by the number of people that are living outside the city. And it was obvious that Tucson was going would continue to grow. So it didn't really take any genius to say that the city is going to continue. And we attempted to plan for that by changing our State Street patterns by providing transportation facilities on the planning scale, because we wanted to make a freeway that parallel the Southern Pacific Railroad. We wanted a freeway that are a parkway that would parallel Pantanal and Rita rivers to provide an opportunity for people to move out into the eastern area where obviously the growth first growth was to take place. Unfortunately, we couldn't do that because that was far beyond the city city limits. And more drought and more, more, unfortunately, as a fact that was never followed through because we provide a master plan for the development of city that went from the Tucson Mountains to the rank of the Rincon Mountains, it was obvious that we're going to get growth prob was would be prepared for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=392.0,478.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Done. You had a democratic council with you. Right. Was it easier to govern than in the years that followed, where we had mixed mixed political factors on the council?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=479.0,490.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I had a democratic council with me for only the first term. After that we had about a we had a council of three Republicans and three, three Democrats, we still control it. And we had one Councilman Ray weaver who was more interested in doing what was right for the city. He was a Republican, he was a Republican. Jim Kirk and and Brandon are not so etched that they wanted to play the political game.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=491.0,523.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I want to get back to the political game in just a moment. Get back to the history of the council in those days, but we'll take a break and we'll be back in just a moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=524.0,569.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I want to go back a little bit to the politics of when your council became split. You still had a democratic gate edge wasn't very difficult. Did you have inner squabbles at the public did not know about in your efforts to build the city at that time of growth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=570.0,587.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The public pretty well was informed by the newspapers. Newspapers were locally owned at that time and they took great interest in what was happening. So was that the public squabbles that took place? Was pretty well reported to the to the city citizenry. But it was a battle and many things we could have accomplished. We couldn't because of the the differences of opinion on the council.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=588.0,616.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I want to ask you about that. Let's do that little game. We go back 30 years now are the things if you could go back that you would have done differently, is planning for the city?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=617.0,627.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, I don't believe so. Because we had, we had very good health but Porter, Homer and the people we brought on in the expanded city government. And we pretty I thought we pretty well plan for the future. The problem came that afterwards, there was a period of no growth attitude in Tucson which stopped the momentum of Tucsonans develop development. They refused to provide any free freeways. Our recognize that the city was going to be larger as a result our sea streets are congested at the present time. They shouldn't have been because the plans were made in those early days to respond to this kind of growth.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=628.0,676.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: They talked about new growth who was no growth at that time. Well, while","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=677.0,680.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the leader of it was Ron Astor the head of the board of Board of Supervisors and factors they call it the group Astro cat Astra cat Kratz the, their Jesper has an attitude that, that we don't want any more people. Well, that's of course foolish because life grows, people grow, communities grow nations grow, you can't stop growth, the only thing you can do is prepare for it. And unfortunately, we've had many years of no preparation for growth. All right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=681.0,717.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: what happened politically? After you left office as mayor, we had Republican mayor's after that. Was there a carrying on the policies that you wanted to see as far as planning for growth?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=718.0,730.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Partially, we had prepared an urban renewal program of 417 acres taking the what was called a slum area, the south western part of of Tucson. Monday, Johnson came to me and said, Would you postpone the hearing on the urban renewal, because they're gonna say this is a hollow project and they won't prosecute it. I said, if you get them to publicly say that they will proceed with their program. I will do that Monday. And we did. Monday, John's was a bank Monday, Josh was the banker and the head of the downtown business group. I had a at a meeting and promptly killed the program. It was reestablished a couple of years later when they recognize their mistakes. But they only put 92 acres in the program instead of 417, which omitted all of the housing that's necessary in an urban renewal program. As a result, when business stops at six o'clock at night, the downtown area dies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=731.0,799.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You see that as a main reason why a downtown Tucson can't be revived. Now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=800.0,804.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That is one of the principal reasons they've tried several ways of trying to get some housing in the dark in the southwestern area. But it won't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=805.0,813.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: work should we have had more public housing in that area","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=814.0,816.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: was not only public housing, but improvement of other housing. And we had great support from the people in that area, who wanted better housing, and this would have provided financing so that they could get better housing. But then","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=817.0,832.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: there were people at that time said you can't get good housing, a lot of people won't move in to a place that's close to the freeway and close to the tracks. And that'll be a high crime area wasn't that problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=833.0,843.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That was not the problem. And fact of the matter is many of the people there go back to their Spanish heritage. And they had the money to move into any place in the city, but they liked that that was their, their part of the city. And we after holding many neighborhood meetings, determined that we had full support for the urban renewal program.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=844.0,869.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But the plans went ahead and a lot of the historic berrio ended up being wiped out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=870.0,874.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, that's true. When they finally came in and revamped the urban renewal program and reduced it to 92 acres. We got a nice Civic Center and nothing and nothing else. At that time I was in Washington DC in charge of all urban renewal program for the federal government. I could have stopped it and I regret now that I didn't buy knew that Bill Matthews didn't like the program in the first place editor and publisher of The Arizona Daily Star. He was opposed to many of these newfangled ideas. And I decided that a partial loaf was better than not. So I approved it. And I've regretted it ever since.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=875.0,917.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What should we have had alongside the community center development,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=918.0,921.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: we should have had housing housing programs, renewed housing, an opportunity for people to live down in that area that they wanted to live in, in a decent house.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=922.0,932.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Good. We'll take a break right now. And we'll be back in just a moment. After you left the mayor's office, went back to Washington, you became secretary in the Department of Housing and Urban Development. And of course, you were involved in the project here in Tucson. But I'm interested now to know, as you look at the country today, have we done enough in public housing? Have we done enough in public housing across the country and in Tucson particularly?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=933.0,1002.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, we have we haven't. Public Housing never had for support. It had a dedicated group of people who were administering it. But the general public was not too enthused about public housing. Particularly because the government didn't follow through to main get maintenance and to assist the people who were there. Putting a man in a new and under a roof done, provide him the opportunities to support himself in that. And we found another very disconcerting thing in that many people whose support it public housing, said but not in my neighborhood. They didn't want it next to them because they felt that it depleted the value of their their property. We were faced today day with having inadequate housing for many families. You've heard lots about the street families. There are many people who are just down on their luck cannot afford a house and today's prices. We have to solve that problems if we're really going to fulfill the promises of a democratic society.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=1003.0,1084.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: In Tucson. We're hearing an awful lot about homeless today, much more than we heard during the Depression days when the hobos were riding the rails and and the Okies were coming through to sign on a way to work in the fields in California. What have we done in Tucson enough or not enough to provide housing? And is this a problem? Why we have so much homeless here today?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=1085.0,1108.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: We certainly have not done enough. We have a particular problem. And most of areas that have an equitable climate, take the preponderance of the number of people who are looking for a more accurate climate, since they have to live without without shelter. It's a national problem. And Tucson contributes to what? We haven't done enough. And I'm not sure that we're going to do enough in the next few years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=1109.0,1139.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But let me ask you this, can a city provide city of this size, provide public housing without federal assistance? I don't believe so. And so if you have an administration, such as there is in Washington today that this cutting back in this area, we're not going to solve the problem, then that is correct. And we will continue to get the homeless and problems will increase right now. You were also very, very active in our national parks. You headed up a company that had some of the most beautiful old ins and some of our most magnificent national parks. And I'm wondering what you think today, what your feelings are today about what we're doing to preserve our national parks for the generations to come?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=1140.0,1182.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, unfortunately, the environmentalists have sole control the National Park Service, that we're putting more emphasis on preservation than we are on people's use and enjoyment. And when the park was set aside started Starting in, and March 1 1872, when Yellowstone was created as a world's first national park, it was to be a public park and pleasuring ground for the use and benefit of the people. The things in the park were to be conserved, so for future generations, but the environmentalists have the attitude that we ought to remove all visitor facilities from the National Parks claiming that they are being being destroyed. Let's take Yosemite which is often pointed out as having most people and have greatest impact. I ran so many part in curry company for four years. The old valley where we used to have in the early days they had abbatoirs, they had villages they had sheep grading and so forth. I defy you to tell me where that is unless you know it. Because nature is not as fragile as the environmentalist would have you believe the move by the environmentalists is to discredit the concession system, which Congress says is the way to provide Vista facilities. If they can discredit the concession system, then they can get rid of the concessionaires and that way they can remove the visitor facilities outside the park. Now, spending a night in the park is one of the major pleasures of our National Park. We're doing enough to preserve it. We're not doing enough to protect the people's right to use and enjoy those facilities","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=1183.0,1310.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: done. The environmentalist have a point I believe when they say look at the numbers that line up to get into our parks, bumper to bumper traffic and Yellowstone and other parks. How do you balance it out? What is the balance that we have so that that we do preserve the parks?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=1311.0,1328.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, this is a this is a tricky way because he talked about 430 million visits. Do you know that only 9 million of those are in our natural feature parks. The rest are and on parkways Blue Ridge Parkway, Natchez Trace Parkway is the parkway going to the our nation's capitol, to the to the recreational areas such as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=1329.0,1361.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the area in Arizona, which is the meat meat Lake, which as a result was set aside for people's use. But they throw those all in together and then give you a a terrible number that says this is destroying our park. Well, just a small percentage of those people are going to the park. But you realize that in Yellowstone, only 3% of 2 million acres is allocated to people's use. And that includes the roads, the parkway, the government buildings concessionaires building a campground, only 2% Why not open up? 3% Why not open up the 97% for the people. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=1362.0,1410.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you're talking about better use of the natural, natural? Yeah, this","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=1411.0,1414.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: this is a propaganda mu d designed to restrict people's use of the national parks. And the facts do not support that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=1415.0,1424.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Before we close, we're running out of time very quickly, I want you to do a little nostalgia for me. Look back to the days when we had all those dirt streets when you were here and you wrote in a wicker basket on top of a mule as a baby. You get what Tucson has become today just give me a brief answer to that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=1425.0,1442.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Not Not at all. I'm glad to see the only thing I regret is that we're not. We do not have the political leadership to plan the city so that we don't clog up our streets. So provide a transportation system and so that we provide an opportunity for people to fully enjoy this community. We're far ahead of where we were when I arrived here as a youth","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=1443.0,1466.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Don Hummel, I want to thank you very much for being with us today on eyewitness to history and thank you for years of service to our community. And we hope you'll be back with us again next week on eyewitness to history. When we bring you another informed and Outstanding Guest","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224#t=1467.0,1469.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74364/file/160224/transcript/38322/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/038/322/original/azu_ms685-017_a.vtt?1654116775","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/038/322/original/azu_ms685-017_a.vtt?1654116775"}]}]}]}