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My name is Mike Bartholomew. At the present time, I'm a service officer, accredited Service Officer for the veterans of certain forum wards. My job is to handle veterans issues with the VA and to also I volunteer at the VA hospital. All right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=0.0,14.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, nice to meet you, Mr. Bartholomew, so just to, just to go back for when you first joined, what motivated you to join the army, and how old were you when you enlisted, or when you were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=15.0,26.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: drafted? In my days, you returned 18 by 18 and a half, unless you were going to school, married and had children, you'd be drafted. I was drafted in the Marine Corps, and I didn't go in the Marine Corps. I didn't want to. I went in the Army. I spent three years in the Army. I spent basically two years, nine months in the army. I spent 19 months in Vietnam. I came home, I was not, did not. I had problems and and I had issues that were my issues from the from the experiences I could not stand to stay side duty, so I asked to go back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=27.0,64.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So in, so, in the total span of when you three years in the Army, and then how many months? Like, how long were you in the in the army for? Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=65.0,72.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I was in the army for two years, nine months. I got it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=73.0,75.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: okay, all right. And then so for basic training. How was basic training like back then and and how","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=76.0,82.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: did, well, it's a little different than it is today. Yeah, they were trying to get, they were shoving troops through like crazy, because we had, at the time, several 100,000 people in Vietnam, and they were trying to get the new recruits was trained as quick as possible. Yeah, a lot. There was a lot more haze hazeman. There was a lot. There was a but it was, it was there for a reason. It was the main reason for most of it was take away, take you away from mommy's apron strings, and get you into the thinking of being in the military. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=83.0,112.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: you were 18 years old when you when you were drafted, and how, what was your like? What were you thinking whenever you like this, this something you wanted to do, or it was just, well, no,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=113.0,122.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I had the choice of going to Canada. I had the choice of, you know, getting out of it. But my father was in World War Two. I just couldn't do it. I have my family. I have family that live in Canada, so they were asking me to come up, and I I couldn't do it. So I was, I was head of a strategic core for our country and to do what we needed to do for our country. Yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=123.0,144.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So that kind of tie into my next question, which I was going to ask, did you come from military family, family, or you were like a first, you first?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=145.0,151.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: No, my father was, my father was drafted during the Second World War, okay, and you're going, and then when Vietnam came up and they drafted me. I felt, I felt it was my duty to go in,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=152.0,163.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: yeah, and your and your dad also served in the Army, or was, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=164.0,166.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: she was also an Army, Army, MP, okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=167.0,170.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Um, so you mentioned that you were deployed to Vietnam, and you were there for nine","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=171.0,175.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: months. No, when we get deployed originally, you go for a year, okay, okay. And then what happened is I came home, she for about six months, couldn't handle the Army during the time that I was in, and I asked to go back. And I was there for nine months,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=176.0,193.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: okay? And And where were you stationed at in Vietnam? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=194.0,196.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: the first year I was in Saigon, the second, the second, nine months I was in Quinion, which is a farther north,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=197.0,203.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and your time like being in Vietnam and being away from like, your family, how did that like? How did you cope with that, and how did that? How did the like go for that go","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=204.0,213.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: for you, for me, I was kind of like an only seven. I had older brothers and sisters, but I was my closest brother was seven years I had I was, how do I say this? I was somewhat close to my mother and father, but I it was a thing to where it didn't bother me a lot to go over, to go overseas. It didn't bother me a lot to go in the military, as far as you know, worrying about my mom and dad, yeah, like that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=214.0,242.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, cuz that. I mean, you're 1819, years old. That's a very young age to, you know, get sent overseas and be away for family for so long, right? You know, so for some people, it is, I guess it's, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=243.0,255.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: just the way it was. Some people great, drafted later on. Some people went like yourself, where you go to school, and once you got out of school, boom, you're gone. It. It was a whole different world than it is today. Then in those days when you turned 18, you registered for the draft, if you want. Didn't have a wife and children or going to school. 18 and a half, you got your one A and you were gone. So it was that fast. It was just, boom,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=256.0,283.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: boom, boom, yeah, it's, it's crazy, how different it is now from back then and then today. How like it was just,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=284.0,289.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: it always totally different, yeah, from now what it used to be, yeah, maybe you say it for the better, but I don't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=290.0,295.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: know. Yeah, I originally as well. I was also gonna, I talked to her. Recruiter before I had decided to I ran across ROTC. I was just on campus, but I also had talked to somebody because I was going to originally enlist. And then I was walking down campus and I seen the ROTC sign. I'm like, Hmm, what is this? And I was like, I didn't know what ROTC was. I didn't know ROTC was a thing. So then I walked in and I talked to one of our recruiters, Mr. Gone, and he was told me what ROTC was, you know, if you get on scholarship, you know, you get to, you know, get your education, a lot of benefits, yeah, going through school, going through, I guess, that route, instead of going through the enlisted route. And I didn't even know, like, the difference, because I'm a first generation and I didn't even know first in the first in my family to serve. So I didn't even know anything. I didn't","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=296.0,341.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: know they tell you crazy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=342.0,345.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Did they tell me I was crazy? No, they were trying to get me whenever I went to, when I went to go talk to one of the recruiters. He was I was like, Yeah, I'm a sophomore in college. He was like, All right, we can get you. We can get you to go to basic training when you're done, you can go, you can come back and you can come back, and you can start your junior year. They were trying to, they were trying","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=346.0,363.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: to recruit me. Well, recruiters can are basically habitual liars, yeah, but in most cases, they're true in most cases. But the army life, army life itself is not what you kind of think it is. It is you've been through a lot, some of it with your ROTC training. You've been through the drill and all that stuff. When you go in the army and you go through your basic training on is it's not cake walk. It's a deal to where they really want to train you to be in the army. They want to take you away, like I say, from your mother's apron, springs strings that put you into a into listening to what they have to say and doing what they tell you to do without argument. That's the big that's really that's why the hazeman is the way it is. That's why you know it. You know life can be really tough now in basic training, they're your biggest enemy, yes, until you get to the last half of basic training to become your best friend.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=364.0,420.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: But I think that's, that's also, like the drill Sergeant's job. They're supposed to, that's exactly what you know, they're supposed to scare you. They're supposed to discipline you, so you can, you know, I guess, become like a better word, like, just discipline, I guess, yeah, um, but, yeah. I guess it's much different, too, as well, like on the illicit side, and then the commission side, like from seeing people like Green to Gold, or the NCOs that come in, it's like, so like, like, it's, they're different worlds. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=421.0,447.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: we were in a different world, and they need to be. It's one of those things that they need to be. I remember when I was in we had three different officers, we had OCS, we had reserve, and we had West Point, and there's differences between those people, yeah, there's difference the way they command and stuff like that. To say I was more favored to the art to the West Point, or, yeah, and the OCS, but not to say that, but they know the training is stiff and and what you've got to go through and discipline, discipline, discipline, actually, the reserves are the softest. Oh, like you, yeah, you probably have seen it. I will tell you, if you ever have a chance, go to West Point, yeah, or go to the what field, what military you going to? 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So, so talking about, like officers commission, and you know the difference between West Point and what were the other ones you're saying? The so as a newly well going to be a newly commissioned officer. What do you think makes like a good officer? I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=525.0,544.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: think a good officer is a person. Is an officer that can listen, an officer that can that doesn't have to necessarily be this even goes for management. It doesn't have to be Jump, jump, you know, jump first and go later. They need to analyze the situations better. They need to analyze the situation, and once they do that, they'll make better decisions. The problem is, like I was saying, OCS, I found that most, a lot of OCS officers don't do that. They jump, they hit hard, right off the bat, go where sometimes you can get in trouble that way and but the I believe, you know, I believe in an individual officer, manager, whatever, who can analyze the situation, not lose his head, get in and try to fix things, not necessarily screaming and yelling, but be able to get in there and take. Arab and lead. Okay, yeah, yeah. 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I'm the one that, you know, me and a few other guys were the ones that threw the tear gas and stuff. But I saw that their training was kind of a waste, because they did the same thing every time. We always annihilate them, you know, and then they do the same thing the next time again, you know? It just the training. I just didn't understand it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=609.0,643.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So let's going back to Vietnam. I just want to know, like, about your time there, and like, what like you had to go through, maybe one of your stories, like one of your favorite stories, and then one of, like, your, you know, something that you had a struggle or, like, something difficult that you had to go through in Vietnam. So we'll","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=644.0,663.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: do like my non necessary stories. Hm, the camaraderie between the men and and between the men and even the officers were really strong. When you're over in Vietnam, you know that you're, you know the the you're, you're you're subjected to the same thing they were, and you knew that anything had happened at any time. I was pretty lucky in Saigon. I was there during what they call the 10 offensive of 68 which is when the town kind of blew up from a big insurgence of North Vietnamese into the city. If you ever get a chance to read about it? Yeah, and I was there for that, and I heard a lot of people get killed. I was, I was, I was a duty driver the night of the person to Ted offensive. And I had to go to downtown Saigon because I was part of the communication center and what some of our guys worked in down in the the USO doing long distance calls for veterans to call home. And it was a million people are scared to death. 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I actually haven't heard of that. Heard of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=739.0,742.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Or, yeah, well, they don't have anymore, okay, yeah, of course, you know. 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After that, I the town literally blew up about two o'clock in the morning where we were hearing those officers, MP, officers that were being done got rocketed and got killed right there on the spot. It was just, we had mild times before that, yeah, you know, and then all of a sudden it just hit the fan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=818.0,872.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah. And how did that affect, like the troops and like the morale, like in the like, throughout the mission. 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And I know the military has changed a little bit since those days, but I still believe in that. I believe that if I have a superior that says, go, I go, do it. Yeah, you know, it's not for me to question why, exactly,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=877.0,925.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, um, so, yeah. So, like, after the military going, like, after, I guess, after military life. So after you got out. Like, how was your career? And, like, how did that? How did like Vietnam, I guess, affect you? 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I was extremely lucky to where I could change my attitudes and understand that the world did not revolve around me and that I'd had issues that I had to deal with and I had other people to take care of.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=943.0,989.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Do you think it was the cause of, like, of the army and being in Vietnam, or what do you think was the cause of of of that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=990.0,998.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I'm really not sure. I believe it was Vietnam. I believe it was the things we saw, the way we had to live, and things like that, and then coming home to a completely different world. And, you know, we're, we relied on each other in Vietnam, we, you know, that was the biggest thing. And then you're kind of on your own when you come back, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=999.0,1018.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and stuff like that. I mean, because, like, I guess the army is like, you're like, a family you have, I mean, your soldiers there, you like, you know, if everybody's like, together, you're all, you know, you have each other. And back, you're kind of like, I feel like some people depend on each other, yeah. And then I feel like, how you're mentioning, when you do come back and you're back to where you know you first started, you're kind of like, lost, like, all you know is, is army. All you know is military life. So you don't know, I guess civilian, like, I guess the transition from military to civilian is, I guess","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1019.0,1048.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: that people think, especially when you come out of combat or comment, I wasn't in a lot of comment, okay, so I can't, I don't want to make it sound like I was a John Wayne out there alone. The thing is, is that you rely so much on your on your on your fellow troops. You You cover each other. You're there. When you come home, it's a little different. And also the demands upon you are different. We're in the army. You knew exactly what you're supposed to do. You knew exactly day to day what was going to happen, right where you get come home and you have to get a job, you have to, you know, these, all these things. And most people, I believe, most veterans, adapt to that real quick. I didn't. And so that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1049.0,1091.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it just took you a little bit, right? What was I gonna say? 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Really, I don't want it to be justified, because it was, it was a stupid thing for me to do, but I it was a way out, you know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1106.0,1130.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And also, too, I feel like there's always two sides of like to when you do get out of the military, I've heard, like, multiple different stories that they come out with a job, a career, right off the bat. And there's also people that kind of struggle to find, to find somewhere, to find, like, a belonging, or find a job. So like, when you were mentioning that your wife, that she your second wife, that she helped you, how did she like help you? And did like, what career did you go into after? 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I'd already been divorced once, and here I was going down the same trail again. And I had to rationalize that, like, I say, the world did not revolve around me, and that's kind of the way I felt, you know? That it's me, you know, I don't give a shit. You like it or not. The hell will you I'm just me, yeah, you know. And it's just not a good","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1156.0,1207.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: attitude. And after so you served, so you're saying you worked for Army and Air Force for those years that was, like your, your career, career, that you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1208.0,1215.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: my career. I was I was I, when the army spent 10 years of balancing from like a Yo yo, from everything, from Ball, like a ball everywhere, doing this and that. I finally got a job with Navy. I worked with the Navy for what was it, six years, and then I thought the grass was greener on the other side of the hill. On a another job, it didn't turn out. And I went right back to the Navy. I felt part of it. 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When I got there, I'd leave, try to leave, sneak out, leave early, smoke a joint on the damn roof. 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I was a tool maker, machinist with the Navy. They came in and they closed our base center. It was shut down. So then I got transferred to the Air Force. I worked 313, years, at Tinker Air Force Base, and then I got out see we work. There's a DOD is the Department of Defense. It's civilian work, right? Okay? Versus the military, yeah, military, basically the same jobs all somewhat, except where I got to go home to my own bed, you know, they did,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1317.0,1348.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and you didn't have the, yeah, that makes sense. And then, so, where was the when you worked for the Navy and then transitions to Air Force? Was that? Like, where was that? 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I how crazy this may sound, but I loved working for the military.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1357.0,1386.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I can see that 13 years Navy, and then the Air Force, and you had, you were, I guess you had a feel of all the branches too, huh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1387.0,1394.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Like, well, it's kind of interesting. I was in the army, worked for the Navy, worked for the Air Force and I, we ended up, before I moved out here to Arizona, I worked right outside, right I was retired, right outside the camp Pendleton Marine base. The only thing I was not in was a ghost guard or Space Force.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1395.0,1411.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1412.0,1412.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: one's, that one's new. Yeah, some people still don't believe that it's a real thing. But so after retirement, what would you say? Um, I guess, kind of just to wrap things up. So after retirement, you came and you worked. What was what was that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1413.0,1426.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: like? Okay, well, after I retired, I was going to take two years off and not do anything. My wife came down with cancer. So we my life, our lives changed, the the priorities to cancer in this doctors. So for 11 years, that's what we did, is primarily deal with doctors, deal with can the cancer up and down in Zio, yo, we had a daughter that lived here in Tucson, and it was the decision was made that she wanted to be close to her daughter, and I felt I would do anything she would she wanted. So we came to Tucson, and then I had done service work in Oklahoma as a service officer, temporary as a volunteer service officer. I came here, and I had already been the Veterans of Foreign awards when I came here, the service officer. So I told him and I would do it. And then that's how it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1427.0,1479.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: came. How long? So, how long have you been doing the like, service officer here, I've been doing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1480.0,1483.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: almost four years, and then I did it for, like, in a voluntary thing, for two years in Oklahoma,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1484.0,1490.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and being like a service officer and in Arizona. Now, do you Would you say it's like, Do you like it? Do you like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1491.0,1495.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Arizona? How do you I like California?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1496.0,1497.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I mean, I wouldn't you. Up the beach right there. That's why we lived, like,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1498.0,1501.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: nine miles from the beach and went into the Aaron, Arizona is a lot, believe it or not, I was when I was a child, we used to travel across I 40 in Arizona, and I hated it, because my grandmother lived in in tallest New Mexico, and we would drive back and forth, and it was hot. There was no air conditioning back then, and it was miserable. And I thought all Arizona looked like that. Yeah, when I finally came out here with the wife and saw like Sierra Vista Show Low the White Mountains and all that, I chose my opinion a lot of Arizona. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1502.0,1538.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: alrighty. Well, well, thank you so much. It was so like, glad hearing from","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1539.0,1542.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: you, and I'm glad you like I'm glad you came. Yeah, one last question,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1543.0,1546.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: though. Do you have any advice for me as I graduate as a second lieutenant next semester? Any advice as a newly commissioned lieutenant, do","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1547.0,1556.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: whatever you can do, use the military to achieve whatever you can achieve. Like I already brought the negative up, you You're a smart girl. Use it. There's going to be times you're going to be disgusted. There's going to be times that you're going to be you know, you're getting the wind knocked out of you. But if you can get back up and keep going, you've got yourself a chance to get achieve the things that I think that you really want to achieve. I guess that that's about the biggest thing is that you know you for you, you're going to go through a lot, yeah, a lot of it's not going to be fun. A lot of it's going to be hard decisions you've gotta make, because you're going to, you're going in, you're you're going to be, you're going to be a lawyer jag in the JAG business, yes, and that's really an interesting area to go to. But take control. Don't let people push you. Don't let you make a goal and go for that goal. Yes, it's it's that, sir, and that's what his life is really even all about. And even after the military, the doors are going to come swinging wide open for you if you do that. I hope it's the ones that to give up, the ones that slide, the ones that do that are the ones that fail. I can tell you that from personally, yeah, and I don't think that'll happen to you. I think you know, you're really charged up, and you should be. It should be something of new experiences coming out real soon for you. Just in like, I say they're not all positive, but you can make a lot of them lot more positive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1557.0,1662.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I'll try.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1663.0,1666.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: That's what I'm saying. But be careful, protect yourself. I didn't mean to want to come hard on. The thing is, is I see it every","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1667.0,1675.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: day. Yeah, it happens. It's a sad truth, but happens way too much, way too much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1676.0,1681.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, and I really, really, I'm looking, I think it's great that you're getting your bars. I'm great. I think it's great that you're going to be, I guess I could say you're going to go back to school. Yes, do you stay in our OTC all that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758#t=1682.0,1697.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153686/file/282758/transcript/81675/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: time? So No, I'm not going to stay in RTC, but so I'll go, I'll be a reservist, and I'll be as a general officer, but then I do want to go back to law school and then hopefully go Jack. I think that's going to be the plan. 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