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[Laughs.]  Born in 1905 and uh survived the childhood diseases.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=10.16,32.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Where were you in line with your brothers--oldest, middle, or youngest?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=32.12,36.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I was the youngest . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=36.1,37.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Youngest?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=37.21,37.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . brother, yeah.  Had a sister younger than me and a sister older, but they're both dead now.  There were five kids in all.  [Clock ticks.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=37.25,46.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh.  What were their names, all of them, in the line of succession there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=46.21,55.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Let's see:  Frederick, Leverett, Charles, and Florence.  Oh, the oldest was Mary Elizabeth.  She died before I was born.  Does that make five?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=55.05,80.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, Mary, Frederick, Leverett, Charles, and Florence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=80.21,83.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=83.14,87.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e What did she die of, a childhood disease?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=87.14,90.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh diphtheria.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=90.05,94.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Diphtheria.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=94.02,94.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=94.26,95.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e That took a lot of them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=95.26,96.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e I had it myself later on but managed to survive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=96.23,107.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e What did they do for it back in those days?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=107.2,110.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Very little.  I don't think they had a . . . .  When I came along and got it, they had a toxin--antitoxin--for it that's something I remember.  I was quite young when I had it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=110.24,127.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you always live in Sedalia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=127.21,129.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, no, wait a minute.  See, my father was a division superintendent on the MK\u0026T railroad, Missouri-Kansas-Texas, and before I was born, why the family lived in New Franklin, Missouri, then moved to Sedalia, and then to Parsons, Kansas.  The railroad shifted him around, and then finally back to Sedalia, where he retired.  Then lived there ever since.  The dates were around uh I think we left parsons Kansas around 1912.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=129.13,190.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e But you were born in Sedalia.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=190.26,192.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e I was born in Sedalia, yeah, 1000 West 6th Street.  The house still stands.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=192.08,201.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e It does?!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=201.21,202.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, yeah.  Oh, it did the last time I was home.  There was no reason for tearing it down.  Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=202.29,216.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e How long has it been since you were back to Missouri?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=216.25,219.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, god, I don't even remember.  It was when my mother died.  It was in the uh ... in the '50s, say about '52, something like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=219.28,235.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Um-hum.  What was her name and her maiden name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=235.17,239.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Florence Bell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=239.04,245.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Was she a native Missourian?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=245.03,247.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, she was born in St. Louis, and her father was a city commissioner there, a lawyer who later went broke and piled up and came to live with us for the rest of his life, which, fortunately, wasn't too long.  [An airplane goes over.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=247.0,268.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e What was your dad's name?  [Airplane noise.]  [Laughs.]  We'll get a lot of airplanes on our take.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=268.11,277.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I get 'em all the time.  Norton Jameson [spells it].  He was supposed to be ... to have been christened after his father, Frederick Norton Finney, but uh the old minister did the christening forgot the name, and at the last minute just reached up in the air and got \"Norton James,\" and nobody knows where he got it.  [Fredman laughs.]  So they called him NJ for the rest of his life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=277.1,314.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e What did a ... what 'd a division superintendent do in those days on a railroad?  What kind of job was it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=314.27,322.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, he had ... he was supposed to see that the trains in his division ran on time and there were lots of wrecks and go out and superintend the salvage work on the wreck, and the usual hiring and firing, testing of locomotive engineers, and things like that.  See, my grandfather, Frederick Norton Finney, he was president of the MK\u0026T for a number of years.  That's how my father got to be a superintendent.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=322.08,359.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e What was his name, your grandpa?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=359.16,361.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Frederick Norton.  F. N. 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When he died he left a considerable amount of money, and there was a big hassle in the courts over whether he was a resident of Milwaukee or California.  And California brought the suit in order to get the tax, you know, the income ... the death tax.  Lost--it all went to Milwaukee, I guess, but ... if California had won, why we would have been rich.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=371.08,422.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=422.21,423.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Because California law I think said something about if direct heirs got the money it . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=423.21,436.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e When did your father die?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=436.11,440.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e See, he preceded my mother.  Oh, about 1948, I guess, something like that.  See at that time I'd been away from home for so long, and we're awfully weak on dates anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=440.14,461.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you still have relatives left back in Missouri?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=461.27,463.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Uh-uh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=463.28,464.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e No?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=464.05,465.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I'm the last one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=465.23,467.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Last one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=467.12,468.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e I got some distant cousins, but I don't know their names or where they live, or anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=468.15,474.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e You didn't have nieces or nephews?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=474.09,478.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e I ... I have some now, Emma's kids?  Yeah, that's all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=478.11,490.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you uh get to be such an avid reader?  Was your ... were your parents readers?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=490.03,496.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yes, they were.  So was my grandfather, and we had a big library in those days.  I just took to reading naturally, I think, and . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=496.28,512.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.  Uh . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=512.0,520.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Matter of fact, I think I was reading before I went to school.  See, in uh I think it was in Parsons, Kansas, I fell off the shed in back and broke my leg, and that cut me out of school for a year, because in those days why they put your leg in a cast, you know, and kept you immobilized with a weight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=520.05,545.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=545.07,546.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e And then pull it out, so I was almost . . .  I was a year late in getting to school.  Most kids start at 6, but I didn't start till 7.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=546.16,558.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=558.24,563.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e And I ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=563.0,563.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you like school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=563.03,563.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I hated it.  [Fredman laughs.]  I used to be known as the kid that cried all the time.  [Fredman laughs.]  [Sound of an airplane.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=563.27,578.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Were you in a . . . like a one-room school like they had then, or did they already have . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=578.16,583.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e No, . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=583.13,583.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . separate grades?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=583.28,584.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . it was already in 8th . . . 8 grades.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=584.22,586.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Eight grades?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=586.28,588.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, then I moved to Sedalia, and they started me in the first grade again, and I liked that teacher, Miss Kennedy.  And uh did all right from then on in . . . as far as school was concerned.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=588.07,609.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Then you would kind of agree that your first relationship with a teacher is essential.  If you have a good one you like, then that makes a lot of difference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=609.29,616.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, oh, I think so, tremendous amount of difference.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=616.26,626.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, your vocabulary certainly attests to the fact you read a lot, and of course . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=626.28,633.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=633.15,633.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . working at the Star as a copy editor, that just fell right in.  You . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=633.21,637.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=637.23,637.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . just kept reading for a living.  Uh let's see what was I going to ask?  What . . . as a child did you have any ambitions about anything in particular you wanted to do when you grew up that you remember?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=637.24,653.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I wanted to be a hunter or a trapper or something like that.  I didn't care for city life.  I saw my first live snakes in Parsons, Kansas.  They were garter snakes, quite harmless.  They fascinated me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=653.11,677.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that comes through in your writing.  I picked that up all along.  Let's see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=677.18,694.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't remember a single thing about early school life except that I disliked it.  Of course you had none of this organized play like they have, say at this school over here.  And what else?  There wasn't any busing, naturally, because well we walked to school and walked home from it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=694.18,727.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e We did too when I was a kid.  We walked to school or we didn't get there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=727.04,731.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e And as I remember there was very little homework.  There was some, but . . . is there much now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=731.01,739.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, kids bring home great stacks . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=739.06,741.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=741.0,741.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e ... of books now.  They don't always do it, the homework, [laughs] . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=741.05,745.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=745.1,745.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . but they bring it home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=745.11,746.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . I was just wondering if the technique had changed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=746.12,749.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I think it varies from teacher to teacher.  When I taught, . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=749.28,752.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=752.1,752.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I didn't give much homework.  I felt like it was our job to teach while they were there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=752.15,756.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=756.11,757.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And then let their minds rest when they were home.  So it . . . there's no set policy, but . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=757.13,765.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e As I remember I never had any trouble with the spelling or grammar or sentence structure or anything like that, just fell into it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=765.03,781.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you hunt as a boy a lot?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=781.23,784.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e As much as I could, yeah, and that meant every Saturday and Sunday.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=784.11,789.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Did you have your own gun, or . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=789.08,791.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e I never got my own gun till I was oh in my late teens and was working.  I remember once that uh this must have been in Sedalia.  Some woman, a friend of my mother's belonged to the bridge club had an expensive wristwatch and lost it, and I found it.  So I had to take it back to her, and I did, and she said, \"And what do you want for a reward?\"  I said, \"I want a gun.\"  And my mother said, \"Aigh, no, no,\" so I burst into tears, and it was a very sad scene.  I wished I'd never seen the damn watch.  Ohhh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=791.24,844.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e You said you bought one after you got work.  What was the first gun you had, what kind?  Do you remember?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=844.15,852.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yes, I do, it was a Savage pump action .22.  Darn good gun, probably still in existence.  That was uh ... oh, let's see, I must have been about 17 at the time.  17.  1905 and 17 is how much?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=852.02,880.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e 22.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=880.16,881.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e 22.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=881.09,882.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=882.13,883.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, that'd be about right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=883.01,886.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e What were you working at then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=886.03,888.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e I was working on a labor gang at the Missouri Pacific Railroad shops.  There wasn't a whole lot of work in Sedalia in those days.  Our task on the labor gang was to unload boxcars and load them.  The . . .  See, we worked in the supply department of the railroad.  They'd ship in nuts and bolts and things like that, and we'd unload them and sort them out, and then other divisions along the line would requisition supplies, and we'd have to uh fill them out and send them too, and then when you did it on the railroad in those days if you wanted something you asked for twice as much 'cause you knew that the requisition would be cut in half at the giving end of the line.  And I got uh I think it was 13 cents an hour.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=888.05,952.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh!  [Finney clears throat.]  Were you still in school then, when you started?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=952.21,961.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, I just worked in the summertime.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=961.25,964.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=964.06,964.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e [Clears throat again.]  And then when I graduated from high school uh I . . . I worked a year and saved enough [clears throat] . . . saved enough to go to college for a year, and that was it.  I worked the next summer, but didn't save enough to . . . oh I went a month or so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=964.15,984.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Do you remember what the tuition was at Missouri U. then?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=984.28,988.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e I don't think there was any","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=988.14,989.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e There wasn't.  Free?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=989.2,4589.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . for a native son.  No, no, no.  There were lab fees and books and things, but you could get by on $30 a month easily, $10 for a room.  Mostly there at Missouri U.  Were you ever there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4589.16,4606.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e No, I've never been on the campus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4606.16,4608.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e They didn't have any dormitories then.  All they had was these private houses, great big 10, 12-room things that people'd, you know, rent out to students in order to make a living, and the meals were $5 a week, I think.  That was no breakfast.  It was just dinner and supper, and nothing else, and one meal on Sunday.  That was it, yeah.  Well, for $5 a week, that wasn't bad, even in those days.  And I never joined a fraternity.  I couldn't afford it.  I wasn't asked, either, for one thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4608.01,4664.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Did any of the other kids in the family go to college?  What . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4664.2,4667.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4667.2,4668.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4668.16,4669.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e No.  My mother or else my father wrote to Oberlin, of which my great-grandfather ha . . . had been president and one of the co-founders, asked if they'd take uh my oldest brother in, you know, for free, kinda . . .   It was not exactly payment, but, you know, you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4669.08,4703.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4703.28,4704.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Um, they wouldn't do it, though.  'Course they took the um two million or whatever it was my great-grandfather left them, without any hesitation at all.  Didn't even had a faculty meeting on that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4704.27,4721.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, this really displays my ignorance, but what denomination was your grandfather ... great-grandfather, I mean.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4721.22,4727.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Congregationalist.  He started out as a Presbyterian and couldn't take it.  They were awfully strict in those days, so he became a Congregationalist, and also a revivalist.  That's where he gained his fame was uh . . ., 'cause he had revivals in uh ... well, of course, this country, mostly in upper state New York, and then in England too.  He was kind of the Billy Graham of his day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4727.23,4761.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Hum!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4761.18,4766.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e His sermons customarily lasted from two to three hours.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4766.1,4770.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Wow!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4770.05,4772.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Tiresome!?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4772.08,4781.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, then, that . . . was that family's . . .your immediate family's affiliation too?  Were they Congregationalists?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4781.26,4788.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e No, my mother was uh an Episcopalian.  She'd been . . . she'd gone to school at Mary Institute in St. Louis, which was a high-toned Catholic thing, but she never turned Catholic, and my father was a uh nonbeliever.  What do you call those that are neither for or . . . tisn't an atheist.  It's a . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4788.09,4814.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Agnostic.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4814.13,4815.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Agnostic!  Yes, said he'd read too much Darwin to go back to the Bible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4815.01,4822.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Um-hum, I can appreciate that.  And then you kind of grew up just as a freethinker, kind of your own?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4822.1,4831.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, we had to go to Sunday school and to church every Sunday, and some of the Episcopal ministers were intelligent men.  Others were terrible.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4831.05,4859.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e How did you feel about having to go to church every Sunday as a kid?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4859.13,4863.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I just accepted it as a ...","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4863.21,4865.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Just accepted it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4865.17,4865.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . matter of course, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4865.22,4868.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e [Blows nose.]  Excuse me.  I remember reading ... I don't know if you know \"Period Piece,\" which was written by Darwin's granddaughter, and she and her brother used to hide in the barn loft to keep from having to go to church on Sunday.  Her mother was the one who imposed that restriction.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4868.14,4888.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.  I think mothers usually do.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4888.02,4890.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, seems to be the tradition.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4890.23,4893.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Um-hum.  'Cause my father couldn't have cared less.  I never saw my uh grandfather on my father's side.  On my mother's side, why her father and mother, my grandparents, of course, went broke in St. Louis and came and lived with us for their last years, added to the burdens on my . . . on my father.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4893.19,4926.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Hum.  You said you fell off a shed.  You remember what . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4926.18,4942.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4942.02,4942.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . you were doing up there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4942.21,4943.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, just playing around like kids are.  There were two or three of us up there, and I got too close to the edge, and down I went.  It was my left hip up here, and I said right away . . . .  I was screaming, naturally, 'cause it was broken.  \"No, it's not broken,\" or anything.  So they got me in on the couch and called a doctor, Dr. Cull [sp?]  That was in Sedalia, no . . . yes, it was too, yeah.  So he came.  They were pretty good in those days, as I remember.  They had none of this uh paramedic stuff, but doctors would answer house calls, you know.  And he brought along the plaster of paris, and it was quite a job putting the cast on a leg in those days.  The doctor pulled the . . . broke the leg out, you know, so the splintered ends would fit together, and . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=4943.23,5013.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And they just had to guess at it.  They didn't have x-rays.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5013.04,5015.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e No, he could tell by feeling, and it worked, 'cause it . . . I think it still shows in an x-ray.  Well, . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5015.14,5024.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e [Whispers.]  Yeah.  [Aloud.]  Well, you didn't limp or . . . or anything, over it, did you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5024.16,5026.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e No, no, I was on crutches for a long time, and . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5026.25,5032.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, my uncle, my oldest uncle (who's dead now) was a kid . . . 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A team ran away with him, . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5032.0,5038.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5038.09,5038.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . and he walked up on the singletree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5038.1,5042.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Tongue, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5042.23,5043.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Tree, yeah, the tongue, and he caught his foot somehow, and they dragged him, . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5043.04,5049.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Um!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5049.0,5049.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . and they just set it, but his leg was a little shorter and he always [simultaneously with Finney] walked with a limp.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5049.04,5055.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.  Well, that was why they put a . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5055.11,5058.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Hum.  See they didn't do that to him.  [Simultaneously with Finney.]  Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5058.1,5059.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Pulley and a . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5059.14,5061.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . thing there to keep it out.  It was a nuisance.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5061.08,5065.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e I bet you did a lot of reading that . . . .  Well, you said you did a lot that year when you . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5065.19,5069.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, no, I was pretty young, . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5069.21,5072.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5072.02,5072.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . and I was only . . . how old was I?  6 I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5072.04,5076.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, I see.  Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5076.13,5078.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5078.27,5080.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Why, that's brutal for a 6-year-old to be in bed for that long.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5080.24,5085.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah.  Well, we were fairly prosperous in those days and had a German girl for a maid and cook.  And a negro to . . . oh, yeah, we had a horse and carriage, to do that, and what else did we have?  Oh, yeah, they brought down a nurse from St. Louis, Miss Peggy, to look after me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5085.02,5111.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5111.21,5112.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Hum.  Everybody had . . . the better-to-do ones always had private nurses when their kids were sick.  Hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5112.28,5125.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e What was Sedalia like in those days?  Remember about approximately how big, how population was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5125.29,5135.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e It couldn't have been over 15,000 I don't think, if it was that big, and it had paved streets and streetcars, and the main drag, of course, where the businesses were.  Had two railroad shops:  the KT, and the Missouri-Pacific, and uh surrounded by farms.   Um had four [laughs] . . . four banks, and the uh presidents of them all committed suicide . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5135.23,5173.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e [Laughingly] oh, my!  [Laughs.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5173.0,5173.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . during the Depression.  And the ones that had been the leaders of the town, you know, Colonel This and Mr. So-and-So, Senator That, and all, they turned out to be the biggest crooks of all, mostly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5173.04,5190.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Times haven't changed much, huh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5190.12,5191.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5191.2,5192.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Hah!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5192.2,5194.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e You weren't a . . . a lo- . . . uh you don't remember the Depression, do you?  Were you . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5194.0,5198.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/176","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, only by being told about it.  I was born in '35.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5198.27,5202.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/177","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh, it was over by then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5202.15,5203.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/178","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Yeah, but my family, it wasn't over for them, because they . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5203.21,5205.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/179","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Oh.  No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5205.2,5206.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . they lost everything they had, and . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5206.12,5208.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5208.21,5209.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . so I . . . it's been impressed on me pretty deeply.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5209.18,5218.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I was in China when uh the market crashed, and so it was a vague thing to us over there.  We saw . . . or read about it in the papers, but that was about all.  And gee, when I got to Tucson you could sure tell.  Most folks I ever knew was dead.  Couldn't even buy a job.  So I was lucky in getting on at the Star.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5218.21,5262.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, let's see.  Let's talk about your going into the Army, I guess, and how you reached that decision, and how you joined the 15th.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5262.15,5273.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, I couldn't finish college and . . ., of course.  I was . . . had begun my sophomore year but ran out of money right away, and so I came home.  And oh, just nothing, no work or anything, and this was in 1927, except perhaps the railroad shops, and I would be damned if I'd go back to that laboring thing and all.  And so one day my father came home, and he'd been to the post office and said he'd talked to the recruiter there, and the recruiter said they were taking young men for China.  And that just set off a spark, so I went down next day and enlisted.  My family wasn't a bit uh upset over losing their youngest son.  Matter of fact I was one less mouth to feed [interviewer laughs], and they were awfully poor then, anyway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5273.28,5339.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e And where did you do your basic training?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5339.01,5342.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e In China.  I enlisted in Ft. Leavenworth, and they rounded up . . . they waited until I think about 10 others had enlisted, and shipped us all at the same time to San Francisco, to uh Fort McDowell on Angel Island.  And had we been given uniforms and . . . ?  I think so.  World War I equipment and stuff, just a duffel bag with a uniform in it and underwear, and things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5342.03,5382.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/188","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e How much did the Army pay you in those days?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5382.07,5384.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/189","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e 21 dollars a month.  But we never got paid till we got to China, so . . . only gave us $10 in the Philippines and turned us loose for a little while.  I enjoyed that, because by joining the Army I saw Hawaii and the Philippines and Guam and later on, Manchuria, Peking, and Taiku.  The uh Boxer Rebellion was still pretty fresh in peoples' minds at that time.  There was a graveyard there where they buried the Americans.  Gee, that seems silly now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5384.08,5453.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/190","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e Hum.  In retrospect so many things seem so futile and . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5453.0,5459.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/191","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5459.01,5460.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/192","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFREDMAN:\u003c/strong\u003e . . . worthless when you can look back on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912#t=5460.24,5462.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167912/transcript/40204/annotation/193","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"\u003cstrong\u003eFINNEY:\u003c/strong\u003e Well, of course, America was following a policy of sheer imperialism, you know, in those days.  It started with the Panama Canal, I guess and went on.  Tientsin was a treaty port where extraterritoriality [had trouble with this word] held sway.  That meant that you fouled up s- . . . [clears throat] civilly you got tried in a Chi- . . . in a . . . an American court instead of a Chinese court.  And that was one of the things the Chinese didn't like, but they . . . wasn't much they could do about it, because they were so split up themselves with the warlords and all.  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And the first native Chinaman that I saw was squatting down relieving himself at the end of the pier.  [Fredman laughs.]  But then [laughs] ... they used to say that the old Chinese custom, \"If you have to go, why go wherever you are.\"  [They laugh.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=1.12,56.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  You talk in Old China Hands about the smell.  Did you get used to it so it didn't bother you, or . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=56.03,62.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah, you got used to it, but it took awhile.  It was awful, honestly.  See, there're all open sewers, and uh um well, dead things lying around.  But there was a certain beauty to it that haunts me yet.  What do you say to a cup of coffee?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=62.17,94.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  OK, we'll take a break anytime you . . . . [tape is turned off].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=94.23,100.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Should we uh . . . I was trying to think of something to say about the University.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=100.08,110.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=110.18,111.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  But uh my recollections are so ambivalent that I finally got to the point where I thought I knew more than my instructors did about any [laughingly] particular subject.  [Laughs.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=111.22,132.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  That's not hard to do.  [Laughs.]  We didn't talk about what your favorite subjects were in school.  I guess that's kind of a standard question.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=132.15,143.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Uh they were always English, and I always got highest marks on them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=143.22,153.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I think that's a sure sign.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=153.0,154.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=154.2,155.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I . . . that was always my natural inclination too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=155.13,160.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  And in high school I was president of the debating club, but . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=160.04,169.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  You remember what you were debating back then?  Did they give you a . . . one topic for the year, or . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=169.14,174.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah, it was uh city manager versus city uh mayor and council, of which we knew absolutely nothing, and even less after we got through debating it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=174.22,187.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  [Laughs] they're . . . they're . . . 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He enjoyed it a lot.  You didn't like math much, I bet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=212.16,222.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  No, I was very poor at math.  Still am.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=222.17,229.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Yeah, that rings a bell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=229.11,235.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  I did do . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=235.09,235.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  You must have taken to history somewhat, because you . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=235.18,238.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yes, I liked history . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=238.01,239.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I thought so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=239.07,240.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: . . .  a great deal.  History and English.  Uh science not so much.  See, what else was there?  And I just despised athletics and practically flunked physical education.  And every time I thought of uh athletes [difficulty with this word] being subsidized, as they were then, and scholars overlooked, why it made me madder and madder, so that . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=240.0,284.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Still done.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=284.26,3884.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  . . . was another reason why I didn't regret leaving too much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=3884.19,3890.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Yeah.  Were the classes very big then, back in college when you went there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=3890.25,3905.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  No, I think about 25 or 30.  There weren't too many.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=3905.1,3914.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Did you have a uh roommate or anything when you . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=3914.15,3919.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah, you see uh . . . as I say there weren't any dormitories, and you either lived in a fraternity, which was socially the top grade.  I didn't care about that, but a lot of people had these big old houses, and they'd rent rooms out for . . . to students, and I lived in one of them, on the top floor.  'Cause if you lived in one of the lower floors and somebody above you has a typewriter, why it'd drive you nuts at night, but if you're above him you don't hear it so much.  Incidentally, if you want to use a typewriter, why mine's in here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=3919.08,3959.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  No, I'd rather do it this way.  I . . . I just . . . I'll get it all in here.  I just wanted to point out things I wanted to particularly . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=3959.21,3970.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  'S funny how vague it all is now, back then.  Um trying to think of something else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=3970.0,3982.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Were there any special shenanigans that college kids got into then that . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=3982.24,3988.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=3988.02,7579.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  . . . would strike a chord with the . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7579.0,7590.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  No, it was . . . oh, if they'd do something at Yale or Harvard, why they . . . it'd finally filter down to Missouri and they'd copy it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7590.2,7602.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  What about drinking?  Did they drink a lot of beer or anything?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7602.07,7605.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  No, they drank hardly anything.  See, the Prohibition . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7605.2,7607.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Oh, Prohibition then, right!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7607.28,7609.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Prohibition, no place to import it from.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7609.08,7611.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Yeah, I . . . yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7611.0,7615.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  And very few automobiles.  Everything was on foot.  You know, there's two campuses there.  There's the Red campus and the White campus.  The Red campus was the old one with . . ., made out of bricks, and the White campus was . . . 'course it's old now.  In those days it was new, just being completed, and kind of a long walk from one to the other, you know, between classes.  And . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7615.06,7652.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Did you have any women teachers back then?  I'm kind of interested in that.  Or were they all men at the university, the professors?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7652.29,7659.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  I think they were all men.  I don't remember any.  Women's lib, of course, hadn't even been invented yet.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7659.22,7668.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I just wondered if there any women professors in at all, at that level.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7668.16,7673.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  I don't remember any.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7673.05,7682.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I don't guess you remember what the enrollment was back then.  I guess I could look that up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7682.04,7686.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  No, it uh wasn't too large, and they had a terrible football team, lost all the games, you know.  [Clock strikes 11.]  Built a new stadium while I was there.  I guess it's still in operation.  Oh, yeah, you had . . . ROTC was compulsory, had to be taken.  I just hated it.  It was one of my pet hates at that time.  See, the other two were journalism and uh the Catholic Church.  So I ended up by joining the Army [Fredman laughs.], working for a newspaper, and becoming a convert to Catholicism.  So it shows how lasting youthful emotions are.  [In the next minute Finney apparently takes out a cigarette, lights it, and begins to smoke.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7686.08,7767.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  What contact had you had with journalism that you thought you hated it?  Was it because of the nature of the press then, or the nature of the job, or what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7767.02,7780.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Well, of course I didn't know anything about it, and it . . . the  gentlemen who would do it in this area of Columbia then were supposed to be the best in the country.  They published the town paper and all that kind of . . .   I thought it was a lousy paper, still do.  I thought if that was the best that journalism had to offer, why I didn't want any of it.  And uh I had more or less by that time seriously decided to do some writing someday, but I didn't want to write for a newspaper.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7780.06,7845.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  As a kid, did you fantasize a lot, daydream a lot?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7845.13,7851.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Oh, yes, yes, constantly.  And I read and read and read.  They had a good library there, and still do, I guess.  Well, we got a visitor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7851.07,7884.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Oh, there's Felice.  As a child, do you remember any special books that stood out in your mind that [sound of a motor vehicle] were your favorites?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7884.02,7892.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah, Kipling's Jungle Tales.  [A child's voice in the background followed by a woman's voice.]  And Edgar Rice Burroughs.  But there was another Burroughs, a naturalist, who wrote . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7892.05,7909.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  [As noise from other voices increases] well, we'll stop for now.  I'd like to get back to this, 'cause I . . . I really want to include that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7909.1,7913.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah.  [Tape stops.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7913.08,7915.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  [Tape continues.]  OK, we were talking about books that you liked when you were a boy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7915.03,7920.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  [Without his microphone] Did I say Kipling?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7920.13,7923.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Yeah, you said Jungle Tales [The Jungle Book], and Edgar Rice Burroughs.  What were some of his books?  I don't know him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7923.03,7928.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Tarzan.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7928.29,7929.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Oh, Tarzan!  I've never read the Tarzan books.  That's 'cause I'm a girl, I guess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7929.2,7936.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  And I liked uh I think [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7936.04,7945.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Yeah, I know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7945.15,7946.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  [??]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7946.24,7949.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I can't remember either, but they were on my \"favorite\" list.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7949.22,7954.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  And I liked all the adventure stories, Zane Grey and [?] I can't remember their names, but [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7954.0,7965.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I read all of Zane Grey too.  I liked books about animals.  I read all of Terhune's books about dogs.  I don't know if you went through those or not.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7965.15,7976.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah, I think I did.  Uh [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7976.29,7988.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I'm bad at remembering author's names.  I might have . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7988.28,7991.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  I grew up . . . I can't remember any of his books. [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=7991.05,8013.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I see you have Beautiful Joe.  I read that as a child and wept over it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8013.12,8018.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah.  [?] I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8018.1,8034.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I didn't write down you did like poetry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8034.2,8037.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8037.26,8042.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I still have the first book of poems I ever owned, and the backs are both off, and the pages are frayed, but I think it was called 101 Best Poems for Children, or something like that.  Had little silhouettes at the top.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8042.24,8059.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  My favorite was uh [?] Palgrave's Golden Treasury. . .]?] had that in school.  [?]  I think it was [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8059.2,8091.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Oh, here.  I forgot to put this back here.  I'm not very efficient.  [She reattaches Finney's microphone.]  OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8091.27,8102.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  There.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8102.23,8103.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  OK.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8103.1,8106.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Palgrave's Golden Treasury.  That was a uh high school text.  I think we had it in . . . would be a freshman?  I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8106.01,8122.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Did you have to memorize poetry back in those days in school?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8122.22,8125.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah, um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8125.17,8129.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Yeah, we did too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8129.05,8135.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  I was trying to think of that one that I always liked, uh the elegy in a country churchyard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8135.02,8156.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Did you like Stevenson's books?  Robert Louis Stevenson:  Kidnapped, Treasure Island?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8156.06,8161.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Uh I read them.  I liked Treasure Island.  I didn't care too much for the others.  I loved Jekyll and Hyde.  Child's Garden of Verses:  why, I was in . . . by the time I read it I'd kind of outgrown that.  Thing I was trying to think of . . . .  I liked lyric poetry.  I didn't care too much for narrative poetry, Sir Walter Scott and the others.  And uh let's see, there's lyric, dramatic, and uh what's . . . epic.  I never cared too much for epic poetry.  Lyric was more my dish.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8161.02,8216.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  You must have read a lot of mythology.  Did you read that as a youngster or later on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8216.18,8223.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Well, sort of intermittently, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8223.13,8235.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I read mythology right along with fairy tales.  You know, I went . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8235.0,8237.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah, um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8237.25,8238.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  . . . through a whole period of reading pure fantasy.  And I get of lot of students now who have read no mythology whatsoever, and it . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8238.09,8252.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8252.17,8252.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  . . . boggles my mind.  You can't refer to any . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8252.21,8256.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  You don't have it in any of the texts or anything like that.  Well, it's a shame, a pity, seems to have lost that way.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8256.29,8267.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I don't see how they understand a great deal of literature.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8267.28,8270.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Well, I don't either.  You need it as a background, because there's always references to uh . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8270.18,8280.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  And it's no wonder they read with so little apprehension for that very reason, because a great many of the allusions in literature are just lost on them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8280.14,8289.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Oh, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8289.17,8291.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Same way with Biblical allusions uh . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8291.01,8293.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=8293.21,11893.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Many of them have no familiarity with those at all.  They didn't have . . . .  Well, I guess they did.  When . . . do you remember your first movies you saw and what your impression was of them?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=11893.2,11913.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  \"Perils of Pauline.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=11913.09,11915.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  \"Perils of Pauline.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=11915.26,11917.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah.  And it used to cost a nickel to go . . . for a kid to go to a show, and I used to go over Sa- . . . 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Did you see much?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=11967.23,11970.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  I saw very little of that, hardly any, and I didn't like it at all.  It was all amateur stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=11970.2,11979.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Was \"Project [Number Six]\" the only play you ever wrote?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=11979.11,11984.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah.  And I don't know now why I wrote it.  [Fredman laughs.]  Well, it was fun while it was on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=11984.0,12005.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Yeah, I wish something had been done with it, something more.  I think it was worth, certainly worth publication.  It was as good as or better than a lot of . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12005.0,12015.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12015.26,12016.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  . . . plays that do make it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12016.11,12021.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah, that was lots of fun.  Whatever happened to [Robert] Hammond?  Did he go to Yale?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12021.2,12030.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I think that's what you told me.  I never heard from him any more after he left here.  They went to France for a year, you know, and I never heard after that . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12030.02,12037.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12037.12,12039.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  . . . whatever happened to them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12039.05,12047.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  You didn't know [?], did you, that preceded Hammond as kind of the [has difficulty with] entrepreneur here in the little theater here for awhile?  And they have another theater group now.  I don't the name of it, and I don't remember the . . . I never knew the one that's running it, but they're all the same, [?Nerveau] and Hammond, and this one.  Sometimes they put on some pretty good stuff.  [An airplane flies over.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12047.15,12095.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Did you read much Shakespeare?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12095.23,12099.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Not as a kid.  I have since.  I'd have read everything.  I have a very good set there, with footnotes galore.  'Course we had Shakespeare in high school:  \"As You Like It,\" and \"Macbeth,\" and uh some of the others.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12099.04,12123.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Was there any writer that you feel influenced you more than any others?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12123.26,12130.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Oh, at the time I think it was James Branch Cabell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12130.01,12137.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Who?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12137.25,12138.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  [Speaks slowly] James Branch Cabell [spells last name].  It was his prose.  He wrote fantasy, too, Jurgen and White Stallion [Silver Stallion].  I don't think I have any of his stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12138.18,12161.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I'm going to have to go and read some of these things that you read to get some feeling for where you were coming from.  I want to do a very thorough job of this.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12161.05,12173.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  You see this book here, Degeneration, by Max Nordau?  Well, that influenced me in a kind of a negative way, because he claimed that all those writers of the uh . . . the late 19th century (the French particularly), they were degenerates, and you can see it in their books.  And he tied . . . tied it to an early uh oh, a guy named Lambroso, a criminologist that said he could detect uh degeneracy in a man's movements and things.  And so that way I became acquainted with the great French poets, uh Villon, and Rimbaud, and who was the other ones that uh . . . .  And I always looked up to books that he was condemning . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12173.15,12234.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  [Laughingly] I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=12234.07,15833.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  . . . and read them.  I could get most of them at the University of Missouri.  That was a big help.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15833.2,15849.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Were you kind of an iconoclast by nature?  Did you just . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15849.29,15854.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah, I think so.  The current popular stuff never has attracted me.  There's too many old man- . . . uh masterpieces that I haven't gotten around to yet that seemed better than the modern novel.  I think the modern novel is awful.  I'm going to have to go to the bathroom.  I'll take this . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15854.18,15889.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  OK, let me help you out of that.   [tape stops]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15889.29,15892.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  [tape starts again]  OK, I guess we're in business again.  I think . . . correct me if I'm wrong.  I don't know, I guess to some extent all your characters speak for you, but in The Unholy City Captain Malahide says, \"I am an optimist.  I think there is beauty in life and in the world.  I think that some of it, a bountiful lot of it, has been designed, numbered, reserved, and set aside for me.  I think that sometime I shall find it.\"  Is that Charles Finney?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15892.26,15927.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah, in . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15927.28,15928.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  That's your philosophy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15928.25,15928.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  . . . one of his more optimistic moods.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15928.26,15932.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  [Laughingly] \"in one of his more optimistic moods.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15932.03,15934.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15934.16,15935.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I think that's so nice.  There's another one here that says, uh \"out of the coarse and bitter satire which is my life, I seek one gentle, simple hour.\"  That also is Malahide . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15935.23,15953.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15953.17,15953.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  . . . in The Unholy City.  Is that Finney?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15953.25,15958.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15958.01,15958.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Yeah.  It's sort of the other side of the coin, huh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15958.25,15963.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  See, I wrote that uh in 1935 or -36 or something, when I was at a rather low ebb.  That was a long time ago, but I wasn't feeling my uh ch- . . . most chipper, you might say.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15963.11,15987.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Did you ever find that \"gentle, simple hour\"?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15987.13,15991.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Not in that book, I didn't, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15991.02,15995.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Malahide didn't.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15995.03,15995.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  I cou- . . . I couldn't even define it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15995.22,15998.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  I wondered about that, what Malahide would have called \"one gentle, simple hour.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=15998.11,16008.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Here.  Come here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16008.18,16014.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  But anyway I think that was beautiful.  I'm sure you've had many \"gentle, simple hours.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16014.24,16025.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yes, I have, come to think of it, over the years.  But that time I hadn't had any, or very few.  37, just fades down on me.  I can't remember it at all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16025.07,16052.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  What are some of the high points in your life that you would look back on and think of as the high spots?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16052.05,16061.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Well, uh [airplane flies over] going to China, and the three years I was there.  And marriage to Marie.  And getting my uh stuff accepted and published.  Those . . . those were all high spots.  The highest, of course, was the first time when I sold the Circus.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16061.23,16125.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Was that the first thing you ever had published, the Circus?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16125.01,16127.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah.  First thing I ever wrote.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16127.07,16143.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  How many times had it been turned down?  Do you remember roughly?  Was it just that one time from Harper's, or . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16143.29,16151.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Harper's . . . uh Simon \u0026 Schuster turned it down, then Viking took it, so it was just turned down twice, and it's been published (I think it's) 12 times by different firms now.  And translated [clears throat], published in translation:  let's see, Swedish, Italian, uh Spanish, and then in England.  So it's been published four times in different countries.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16151.12,16201.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Four times abroad.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16201.24,16203.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16203.07,16204.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  OK, I've got that back here some place.  You started writing that in China, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16204.01,16213.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Yeah, . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16213.16,16214.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  While you were still there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16214.14,16214.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  . . . if you can call it that.  I was keeping a kind of a diary, and I had some notes for what I wanted to write.  For an Army post, they had a surprisingly good library there, at Tientsin, and I read a lot there.  Can't remember what it was I read.  They were . . . oh, most of the classics were there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16214.14,16250.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN:  Were there traveling circuses in China?  What gave you that setting for the . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16250.1,16256.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Um not exactly [clears throat] a circus [clears throat again].  There was this old man that had kind of a shop where he sold novelties and things, and he had little cages with crickets in them and stuff like that, cockroaches and things that were his pets, and that sort of gave me the idea.  And his name was Lao Ter[sp?], so it was something to come up with Dr. Lao.  And there was a little traveling side show here that uh, when I came back from China, and the owner of it, a Doc Shubock[sp?], had given some passes to the Star, hoping to get some publicity, so I went there with my brother and another fellow to see it.  And we gave him passes and he just started right in with . . . [tape ends at","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16256.02,16317.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911/transcript/40206/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80158/file/167911#t=16317.22,1918.152"}]}]}]}