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I'm Mark beech. numerous changes are taking place in the world today, especially within American society. Part of this change is due to the increased awareness and activity of American women. They have become more involved in personal social and occupational things on a much wider scale than ever before. But it appears that men have not changed as much as women during the same period. Dr. Herschel Thornburg is a professor of Educational Psychology at the University of Arizona. And he's also written a new book on the topic of male social change titled, Ponte pop. Dr. Thornburg, the title of your book, punk pop intrigues me exactly what does it mean?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=5.0,47.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, that's a very interesting question. I like the title of the book, because it does for me two things. One is the word pine, of course means to me that a male should begin considering today changing the old way of doing things, so to speak, kick the habit. And another term that I've used throughout the book, as a contrast to the word pun is the word past. And I use that to imply that if an individual is not interested in changing his behavior, becoming a little more contemporary and his outlook on life, that he's really saying, I'd rather pass I'd rather play the game the way I've always played it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=48.0,84.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Just how much effect is the women's movement having on men?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=85.0,88.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: considerably more than we anticipate? Although this question is somewhat difficult to answer, one of the reasons it's hard to answer is because we really don't know what the total effect of the women's movement is. But I would have to believe that men are having to change, even though they may be more resistant to that change, then women are. And I think the reason for it is because women are exercising more opportunities to do a greater number of things than they ever have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=89.0,115.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: before. So you're really implying that women are forcing men to make these changes?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=116.0,120.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, yes, I think history tells us that women have always made change better than men. And of course, in the last 15 years, with that change, accelerating tremendously. Women are really forcing us as men to change. Because we are not as aware of the need to change or the need for us to change we do not perceive to be as great as the need women have thought was necessary for themselves. But inevitably, when one force changes, another force has to change it all. Right along with it. How do male and female stereotypes differ? Well, more, it's, it's kind of interesting, because women think that the male stereotype is the module image, number one being very masculine. And a lot of men, of course, play that kind of role and support that kind of image. Women are always thought to be very traditional, very housewife, a very child oriented, very husband oriented. And these things we've grown up with, and the fact that men and women now can start exercising different kinds of roles, or having different kinds of images. And we're beginning to see this tremendously with women, women are making a very strong impact into, for example, the occupational world, compared to the fact that the male role in the occupational world is really stable today, like it was 1020 3040 years ago. So the stereotype for women is breaking down more than it is for male. But the truth of the matter is that these stereotypes are something that all of us today, inherited from previous generations","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=121.0,217.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: so to speak, do you find the term super pop an interesting way to view the male attitude of superiority? Well, yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=218.0,224.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I, I kind of coined that word throughout the book, because we get the idea that the male has to be supreme in everything he does. I think one of the problems with men today is that we do feel like that, we have to have the answer. For every situation, especially this is the case in the home environment, somehow, the wife and the children are supposed to look up to the male. And if they come to him with a problems, he's supposed to be able to solve that problem. And then of course, in the larger society, we have this image of, of supremacy, super businessmen, super sports, Super Bowl, so on. So I think super pop is a good way to describe a lot of way that we behave.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=225.0,265.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Do you deal with the subject of women as sex objects in the book?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=266.0,269.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes, I do. And one of the reasons for that is that, as I've looked in the advertising area, just in the past year, I find that women continue to be discriminated against rather severely, and in most cases is because they are presented as sex objects. We really have a hard time getting away from that, since there's a whole area in American social life in which the female has been put in this kind of a rule. And males I think, because they Enjoy that are not too willing to abandon that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=270.0,301.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: then you really see that perpetuating old behaviors as discriminatory against both men and women,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=302.0,307.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think so, one of the reasons for that, of course, is that if I have to view a woman as a sex object, and in order to be reinforced by my male friends, I must do that, then I don't have any choice to view her in any other way. Any more than a woman who may view a man is too masculine, or too much of a Supreme Person. Just,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=308.0,328.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you know, briefly reading the book, I liked the comments that you made on doing laundry dishes and fixing dinner. Could you elaborate on that? Just very briefly for us?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=329.0,337.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Sure. I think this these kinds of things are again, traditionally bound. But doing dishes, doing dinner, doing laundry work, this kind of thing is really neither feminine nor masculine. It's not. It doesn't help a woman be more self fulfilled any more than it's demeaning to a man. These are just things that have to be done in normal living. And unfortunately, women have been allocated that kind of role and responsibility more than men. Dr. Thornburg, how","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=338.0,364.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: can people be encouraged them to explore alternatives when they have been so many things the same way for so long?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=365.0,371.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I have a very simple but I think useful strategy, which is just to ask yourself, What if? In other words, what if this had happened to me earlier? Or if it hadn't happened to me? Or if it happened to me later, or if it happened to me under different circumstances? Now I realize that reality is what happens to you. But sometimes you have to explore the what ifs of life in order to have choices the next time that the same opportunity arises, what do you see happening then,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=372.0,398.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: if men do not begin to change more?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=399.0,400.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think if men do not begin to change that the potential is there for some reaction to the female movement in which there might be greater conflict in the future between men and women in this society.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=401.0,413.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Dr. Thornburg has the book been designed as a text or a book that the lay person would be interested in reading?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=414.0,419.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, more I wrote part for the general public, so that men and women regardless of the kinds of roles they play, and the amount of education they have, and wherever they are anywhere in our society, could pick the book up and get some ideas as to how they both men and women could change their behavior.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=420.0,437.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Will it be available at Arizona bookstores throughout the state in the near future?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=438.0,440.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes, it's available in the bookstores now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=441.0,443.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I've been talking with Dr. Herschel Thornburg, Professor of Educational Psychology at the University of Arizona, and author of the new book on male social behavior titled punk pop. This has been accent on the University of Arizona. I'm mort beach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842#t=444.0,446.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1953/collection_resources/73815/file/159842/transcript/37713/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/037/713/original/azu_ms641-050_side1_a.vtt?1652741475","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/037/713/original/azu_ms641-050_side1_a.vtt?1652741475"}]}]}]}