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I'm Jay rock and welcome to Arizona alumni forum brought to you by the University of Arizona's Alumni Association and this station, good to have you with us. Pleased to have as my guest today, Tom Miller. He's the author of a new book called trading with the enemy. And he's an adjunct research associate for the Latin American area Center at the University of Arizona. Tom, great to have you with us. Thank you. Thank you. Welcome back. Good people on Arizona I've heard your name before is the author of The Panama hat trail and several other books that we'll talk about later. But first, let's talk about your new book trading with the enemy. First. Why the interest in Cuba even gotten kind of a reputation going as an author of southwestern kinds of things, you've defined the Borderlands as its own country. Why the move to Cuba,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=47.0,89.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I had a number of reasons I had done a number of books about Latin America and a great deal of time in Mexico. One factor was I was Mexico down, I got to the point where you just keep traveling to Mexico and you say, Pastor, I've had it here. Yeah, on the other hand, I wanted to remain writing about Latin America, but I had a feeling that I would be rewriting my other books. And I'd never been to a communist country before, I'd never been exposed to this intriguing, almost impossible combination of socialism and Latino qualities and Latino culture. And I thought I would in Cuba, I could see this combination without going too terribly far from home. Plus, Cuba is prohibited. There's a Mystique, it's taboo, that I was going to ask you about next slide.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=90.0,133.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I mean, that's like a tough assignment you chose for myself, it went on our passports was what three company countries in the entire world that we're not allowed to go. And you can only pronounce one of them. Right. And that's the one we can't go to Cuba. Yeah. Tell us about the process, the barriers you had to overcome to even get Enter to start your work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=134.0,150.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: There were three barriers, one, finding a publisher to the US. prohibition on travel, the US is the only country in the world that prohibits citizens from visiting Cuba. Interesting. It doesn't by law, it doesn't prohibit you from visiting when it says you may not spend money there, which is in effect prohibiting you. And the third, the third problem was getting the okay from the Cuban government, first part finding a publisher, there's a saying in New York, and I've heard it from so many editors, Tom, they all lean back as if it's the first time they've ever said it before, Tom, you know, people are willing to do anything for Latin America, except read about it. And so what they're saying is, gee, it's interesting, but we couldn't sell a copy of this book. Finally, I found an editor and a publishing house that the editor was very familiar of all the countries south of Oklahoma, and he knows what's he knows what's going on in the literary world and politically in Latin America. So we took care of that problem. second problem was the US prohibition, there's a loophole in the prohibition. And that is, if you have immediate family, we're actually two loopholes, immediate family. Or if you have professional reason for research, if there are things you can only research in Cuba that you cannot research elsewhere. Well, obviously, I could only research a book like this in Cuba, so journalists, writers, researchers are permitted to go. In fact, there's a daily shuttle from Miami for only these people, for family members and researchers. Now, the third problem was almost insurmountable finding a Cuban government agency willing to be responsible for me, that's the actual term they use responsibly, and doesn't imply any financial outlook output on their part. It doesn't imply that I worked for them or anything, but they simply had to sign onto my visa and just make sure you don't screw up. Yeah. In other words, if I did screw up, you know, it's their problem. They'd have to face somebody else. So I went down there for a week or two at a time, under other circumstances. I went down for the film festival wants to cover it. I went down on another research trip just for a couple of weeks. And I went shopping for a government agency. I came up with the Cuban writers union, literally, it's called the Cuban union of writers and artists. It's a fairly laissez faire organization. It, it has an international relations section has an all I would guess, three 4000 members around the country. And it has a good reputation around the country. So they were willing to take a gamble on me. I showed them some previous books I had written. They wanted to know what I hope to do in Cuba. I gave them a rough outline. And I said, I don't don't want your support. In fact, I'm not going to Be a cheerleader for the revolution and I'm but I'm not going to be a Cuba basher either I'm going to if here's some books I've done if you like them, this is how I'm going to treat you guys. If you don't like them don't admit me. It took between one and two years. Partly The problem was communication took a long time to get to final. Okay. So after two previous visits, and after a lot of going back and forth, finally, in the middle of the summer of 1990, I moved to Havana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=151.0,324.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: spectacular.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=325.0,327.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Let's back up again. As you were doing all this planning before your first trip, even to Cuba and Cuba, did you have any preconceived notions preconceived ideas about what you you'd think you'd find? Did you expect to find another panel? I didn't expect to find a Pueblo Hawaii.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=328.0,344.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I had some preconceived notions, but they came either from the Cuba bashers or from the cheerleaders and I'd learned by them to distrust both of them. You know, everybody's happy","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=345.0,355.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: leading into is based on your previous books, I would imagine that you would have hoped to find regular folks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=356.0,361.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, yeah. And I did find that, but the economic embargo that the US imposes on Cuba is also de facto information embargo. And so while people in this country know a little bit about Cuba, we know nothing about Cubans. And so what I really wanted to do was go and not write my impressions. Although I did, I wanted to go and listen, I didn't want them to hear from me. I wanted to hear from them. I wanted my book to reflect what they're thinking in the streets and farmhouses. In the intellectual community. Among the dissidents, there's a very, you know, for having such a monolithic government, there's really an enormously wide range of opinions on every subject from from the designated hitter in baseball to the dissolution of the Soviet Empire.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=362.0,406.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Great. On that note, it's time to take our first break. And when we come back, we'll hear about what you heard and what you saw. Okay. I'm speaking with Tom Miller, who's the author of trading with the enemy, a new book about Cuba. Tom is a local author and an adjunct research associate with the Latin American area Center at the University of Arizona. We'll be right back. Please stay with us.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=407.0,528.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Thanks for staying with us. I'm Jay Rocklin editor of the University of Arizona's alumni magazine. back with you. This is Arizona alumni forum. I'm talking with Tom Miller, who's the author of trading with the enemy. Tom's an adjunct research associate with the Latin American area Center at the University of Arizona. Let's talk about some of the things that you actually found when you got to Cuba some of the real life things and I mentioned in the previous section that you're here mo is kind of to leave the officials behind, not talk to folks with titles, get down to the nitty gritty and just talk to people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=529.0,559.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Exactly.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=560.0,561.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: See, one thing you did that strike strike my fancy is you found an oboe teacher of all things. Yes, I did. Tell us about oboe lessons in Cuba and why you did it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=562.0,572.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Why did I do it? Of course. I took oboe in junior high school in high school and wasn't not especially good. oboe player wasn't bad when I wasn't. I dropped it. But I've kept my oboe all these years and once a year, I take it out just to total a few notes just to delude myself into thinking that I'm still a musician. And I thought Cuba is known for music in so many ways. Roomba and Mambo and marang Different dance steps, and just incredible salsa music. They're amazing bands, which I can tell you about. But I thought, you know, they must have classical music there as well. So I wanted to sort of go against the cliche, and see if there were classical musicians there and look into that world and the best way to look into that world sideways rather than just attend to concert or interview, somebody wants to take music lessons. So I packed my oboe went down there and went to the office of the orchestra, sinfonica Nasional and the National Symphony Orchestra in downtown Havana and asked to be so I just walked in cold I asked the receptionist, may I speak to the oboe player? And she said, Do you want the oboe player or an oboe player? This is all in Spanish. And I was delighted to learn there was more than one but there's a whole oboe section. It's an 80 piece orchestra. And she said, Well, there's an oboe player over there. And I walked over I introduced myself to this fellow and I asked if he teaches he gives lessons and he was quite bewildered and shook. This is foreigner, much a foreigner, much of us from the United States, walked up to him backstage and said, Hi, can I take lessons? But he thought about it a bit and he asked me, you know where I'd studied before some music I'd done. In short, we made an agreement to that when I returned This was on an earlier trip that when I returned I would indeed take over lessons from him. So he's this be this became my oboe teacher. And through him I got to know the world of classical music of symphonic music within Cuba. Some of his friends, he would usually I went to his house once his wife is an environmental scientist. I went to his house once for a lesson, but he enjoyed coming to my apartment because it was in a building in Havana that is reserved exclusively for foreigners or privileged Cubans. And he always got a kick out of going up to the front desk there and asking for permission slip to allow him to go up to the 26th floor. So we had lessons in my house lessons usually lasted a half hour, I'm still not a very good oboe player, okay. And then we got the official part of it out of the way and then I would pour some some rum. We'd sit around drinking, talk about baseball, talk about the world, whatever and got down to business.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=573.0,724.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Before we get off the subject of music. There may be a couple people watching right now that recall, or when I mentioned that will recall a spectacular piece you did about Obama on NPR? Did that ever come up in Cuba? Do they","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=725.0,739.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: only when I brought it up? Oh, yeah, yep. Obama traditionally, there is not a tradition of love. And by the way there is in Mexico certainly. Or in a number of other countries. I've heard it but they're familiar with a song they played they sing it did they have their own versions of it? Not really. Yeah, they aren't that much different from the others their their love bomba meaning to me their song that they play incessantly. Oh, you know, just forever is the song one tomato.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=740.0,764.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's like a real sign there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=765.0,765.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, yeah. Well, there's the city of 1000 Oh, one tomatoes, a woman from one Dynamo. So I went to the city,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=766.0,772.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the American hippie version of being, you know, Cuban sympathizer type but they really care about that song. That's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=773.0,780.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: they do they do. In fact, the in the city of one Dynamo they sing it over and over is this lady who's the head of the writers unit. It's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=781.0,786.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: kind of Guadalajara, in Guadalajara.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=787.0,789.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And so they just go on and on with that song. And I asked this one lady who was the head of the writers union in the city, one Dynamo, which is next to the US Navy base. If they ever get tired if she ever gets tired of it when she thought, she said, No, we don't you know, when I'm sitting around with my friends having a few drinks, we'll just break into a few courses.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=790.0,808.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That's great. Yet other adventures in Cuba that kind of covered the other end of the spectrum from classical music and sharp eyed viewers will have noticed a baseball glove on our table right here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=809.0,821.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes. Hear me being Are you left handed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=822.0,823.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No Matter of fact that that's exactly wrong for me. That's exactly","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=824.0,826.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: right. For me. This is the baseball glove made in the bottles factory. bottos is the name of the sports equipment factory next in in part of Havana, where they make rowboats, baseballs, myths, badminton nets, I mean, any type of sports. I suspect they aren't doing it now because it requires a great deal of electricity. And there's such an enormous shortage there. But for most of the time I was there, the bottos factory existed. This was a left mid for a lefty that they gave me a wonderful gift. It's in good shape. It's not quite as good as a Rawlings. I had my own us made Rawlings mitt with me they liked it not only liked it, they kept looking at it and pulling on it and looking at you know, almost like industrial espionage. Talking about trading with the enemy. So this mitt was used the bottles mitts are used on the teams and this is a ball made in the bottles factory that is signed by a team from the province of Grenada Rio called the forest Alice and the forest. stalis is the team that I traveled with. It's in the minor leagues. There are two there's minor leagues in the major leagues and instead of simultaneous play as they do here, they have first the minor leagues and then the best players in the minors play in the majors, which it's it follows the minor leagues So, the Florida stalis were team that I traveled with for one week. saw them play six games. last five of them. Oops, whoops is right. But as I explained to them, I grew up in Washington DC following the Washington Senators and so, you know, I I'm accustomed to losing baseball kids, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=827.0,914.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So So Cubans are notorious for being in love with the great American pastime. Does it actually pastime, right? Sure. Do. They follow American baseball religiously?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=915.0,923.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: They can pick it up on radio. You know, officially, you can pick it up on American radio. 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Really, you know, I've seen a lot of third Brooks Robinson, capitalists, Jorge Luis Paulo, great communist third baseman, terrific. In any event, he was explaining Marxist dialectics to me at the same time, he was telling me about Major League Baseball players, he was telling me a lot of things I learned a fair amount about us culture from Cubans. 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Welcome back, Jay Rocklin here speaking with Tom Miller, the author of trading with the enemy. One talk about the Cuban people, their thoughts what they feel. But before we do that, I haven't asked you about the title yet. That comes from American law, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1065.0,1078.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The name of the law that prohibits us contact with Cubans is the trading with the enemy act. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1079.0,1085.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that's right. And we're just not allowed to trade with enemies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1086.0,1088.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You are not allowed to spend money a US corporation is not allowed to engage in business with any agency of the Cuban government. However, there are the Cuban government because their economic situation is so awful these days, they are scrambling all over the world to find joint ventures to find people willing to invest in Cuba, and they're having some certain level of success, mainly with tourist hotels.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1089.0,1112.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So there are a lot of hotels, which are half Spanish and half Cuban, or Canadian and part Cubano that leads me to the Cuban people do Cuban people, the people that you spoke with, think of themselves as the enemy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1113.0,1125.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: of the United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1126.0,1126.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah. Tell us about that. No, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1127.0,1127.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and I spent a total of eight months there. I've been there as recently as this past September and not once in that time, did I encounter any animosity? For my national origin for coming from the States? Yeah, I got curiosity, I got a certain level of respect because they expect respect in they expect respect in return. And on a personal basis, they certainly got it. There was just never any animosity. There was one time where someone accused me of being a CIA agent, because his girlfriend was flirting with me, his ex girlfriend rather. And so anybody she was with, he was very upset about. 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Yeah, although it's been there for 30 years or so. So it isn't like it's brand new, nonetheless. I mean, I said earlier that there's a wide range of opinions on everything within Cuba, probably one of the few things that everybody agrees on, from the most principal militant dissidents and anti Castro Cubans to people who don't really give a damn about anything. to people who are politically active on the other side, the one thing they can all agree on is that this blockade is not helping get to the next level and they realize that their government has to change radically and soon, and this embargo is getting in the way of that change. Even the people who are the most principle anti government, people say Let's end the embargo, so we can deal with each other with respect and with dignity back and forth. I mean, we're about to deal with North Vietnam For God's sake. Right. Exactly. 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You talked about people being poor, but you didn't describe a desperate country.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1232.0,1240.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, Fidel, speaking to the masses, they say, and he says to them, okay, everybody, I've got good news and bad news for you. The good news is From now on, you all have to eat stones. People are saying what, that's the good news as he finally flipped out. The bad news is there aren't enough stones to go around. So you'll all have to share. 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Now my question or request if you didn't describe an angry people","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1264.0,1267.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you'd expect sangri know, a certain level of passivity, waiting, I would say waiting is the operative verb to describe the situation. They're angry. frustration, yes. Anger, probably because they know their anger will get them almost nowhere now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1268.0,1287.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And no revolution on the horizon again?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1288.0,1289.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, anytime there's any bubbling of something like that. It's pretty quickly snap quick. 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If you could generalize about how the people there how someone traveling there might find acumen different than person from Mexico.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1299.0,1314.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I'll tell you a similarity between Arizona and Cuba and Cuba may not recognize the United States. But Cuba does recognize an Arizona driver's license. I rented cars throughout Cuba using my Arizona driver's license. That's they write it down, they write you know, they'd look at the little plastic thing with a bad picture in the corner, no problem. Now, what was your question?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1315.0,1336.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The question was similarities between Mexicans and Cubans that would see as tourists if someone was to travel there, if the border was to open, would we feel like we're in Kino Bay? Or would we not?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1337.0,1347.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, no, this is as much a Caribbean country as it is Latin country. Also is a it's an enormous black and Latino population, probably over half. It wasn't pre revolution. But so many of the white Cubans left to go to Mexico City to go to Madrid to go to Miami to go to Canada. The Cuban diaspora is really all over the world, although it's centered in those four cities. So you would find an enormous cultural, Afro Cuban influence there. This is evident in the streets, the music you hear in the streets. It's it's evident in body shape. It's evident in in the nightclubs, it's evident,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1348.0,1391.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that also imply a pretty tolerant attitude towards racist towards racism. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1392.0,1396.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I mean, if you ask a black Cuban, is there racism? They will say yes. And they'll point out look at the upper echelons of the Cuban government. It's almost all white except for the military. And they're absolutely correct. I base it on something very different. I base it on body language in the streets, and interracial couples on the streets. And I have traveled extensively in Latin America. And I can tell you, I just have never encountered a country that has less discrimination than in Cuba. It's not to say it doesn't exist. It does. And if you talk to a black person in Cuba, though, you know, going with a whole litany of experiences, interracial couples are very common in the streets and in any situations. Yes, it isn't. Nobody goes, Oh, look at that. Yeah. And also body language, which is nonverbal. It's just how people respond to each other as they pass each other in the streets.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1397.0,1445.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Another unusual surprise people find in your book is your experience with the Jewish community. Yeah, not a whole lot of us even knew that religious communities were allowed to exist in Cuba.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1446.0,1454.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, it's another part of the afro Cuban community. Afro Cuban situation there is Santeria, Afro Cuban religion, which is heavily influenced from originally from what is now Nigeria. And that involves music and involves a whole lifestyle which is distinct from the government but coexists with it. There is a Jewish community religions are allowed to exist. They're certainly not encouraged. But there's a Jewish community there about the country of maybe 11 12 million people there are about 1000 Jews there. Almost all of them are in the city of Havana. There's a Jewish cemetery there. There are two synagogues or three depending on whether it's the high holy days or not. I went to Russia Shawna services there. I I spent Connick in Havana. I had a I had a very close relationship with I myself, I'm Jewish and to find a single foreign male Jew living in Havana was quite a catch. I must tell you they wanted to introduce me to their daughters. And then with a high Holy Days came, you come to our synagogue? No, no, no, no visit our shoe. I was the hottest human Havana. 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Okay, please stay with us right here on Arizona alumni forum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1518.0,1625.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Our final segment on","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1626.0,1628.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: this is our final segment of Arizona alumni forums programs brought to you by the University of Arizona's Alumni Association. I'm Jay Rocklin here with Tom Miller, author of trading with the enemy. It's been great talking about your book, I want to talk about you as an author just a little bit and we don't have that much time left. And you know, we're out here in Arizona don't make the big time all that often. And you just came back off a gig on the Larry King show. radio show, right to radio show national radio show.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1629.0,1653.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Got to hear about it. It was even more than your show. Jay. It was the most mainstream thing I've ever done in my life. I mean, compared to that, everything else is wbI.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1654.0,1663.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So you walk in the studio. What's it like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1664.0,1664.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I walk in the studio the first part of the studio is a big newsroom, the Mutual Broadcasting newsroom, which is adjacent to the NBC radio newsroom in Arlington, Virginia, just over the Potomac. I was staying at the Watergate hotel. This was a class operation. All right. And I go to go about two minutes before I'm on the air. They assure me and I'm in the second second guest so it's on between midnight and 1am on the east coast. Okay. 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But frankly, I think to the listeners that hardly matters, I'm King has the voice and the reputation but go hand and he has a lot of listeners. 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So I went in there just with adrenaline pumping. He's a very quick study he hadn't prepared at all during the advertising breaks, he would quickly flip through the book, read a paragraph, and then ask me a question on the air about that paragraph. Even though it might have nothing to do with anything just from out of nowhere.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1708.0,1727.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How about the telephone calls? How's that work?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1728.0,1730.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: They have, I think a dozen lines and they start lighting up pretty early. They give out the phone numbers early. They were promoting the book trading with the enemy. But in fact, there were there was one caller who was questioning me about a previous book of mine caller from Denver. As a caller from Tucson I didn't recognize the voice. I thought it might be a friend or an enemy, but it was neither.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1731.0,1750.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Afterwards I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1751.0,1751.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: went back to my hotel, I was home by 120. And that was it. That was it. And back to Tucson the next day back to Tucson the next day. It was a good experience, I wouldn't mind doing it again. And I would just know better next time how to deal with it. But I was coherent. And that's my threshold of success. we're","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996#t=1752.0,1765.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1078/collection_resources/73629/file/159996/transcript/37906/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: about out of time. I want to let people know that you're also the author of The Panama hat trail on the border of Arizona and land and people. Right. That's right. And also trading with the enemy. The book that we're talking about today. by Tom Miller. We're one more time I just want to thank you for being with us and sharing your experiences. The book is available all over the place nationally, including Tucson Phoenix, of course. 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