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It's mine. And they cannot take it away from me. The state of Arizona Pima County, that whole city Tucson mind anybody else is mine and I'm gonna keep it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=40.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: This is a cake and close up report. Good evening. I'm Jay Rocklin. Tonight, and in depth report and Arizona's most crucial problem.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=61.0,73.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Arizona is right in the middle of a major revolution. It has nothing to do with guns or ammunition, but something even more vital to those who win or lose, or diminishing groundwater supplies.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=74.0,84.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I can recall of course, I was very young when we first moved down here to the Santa Cruz Valley on the farm at Continental, and we discussed the pumping water level of about 90 to 100 feet, so we've seen it go down 150 feet. In the last 30 years however, that dramatic change has occurred in the last 10 to 15 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=85.0,106.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Keith Walden, Dick's father owns the largest pecan orchard in the world.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=107.0,110.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think there's no question that there's a water crisis been brewing in this state for a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=111.0,115.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: For farmers a crisis is brewing statewide, according to the USGS growers use nearly 90% of our available groundwater urban users only 5%","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=116.0,124.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: They're depleting the underground water of Arizona by 90%. They're they're using 90%. We have a problem and they didn't create it alone. But by any standards, they created at least 90% of the problem. No one's going to ask them to bear perhaps 90% of the cost of remedy. But they are being asked should be asking should bear a part of the cost. They should they should not take that entire cost of solving a problem that they basically created didn't try to shift it to any particular industry or to the public. The people of Arizona is just not right.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=125.0,163.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But will the city's pay the price for overuse. The problem of delivering groundwater at over half a million people is overwhelming. City Water Director Jim Kronk says a situation in Tucson could become critical within 10 years. measures such as well as Napa Valley are taken. But these solutions are only temporary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=164.0,179.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Every valley is is basically a non replenishable basin. The water wants us from there by agriculture will not recharge to their normal underground aquifer situation. So the water that they're using out there at the rate of approximately 100,000 acre feet per year, once used is gone. The future this community depends on a permanent, stable water supply.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=180.0,204.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: We have not had that in the last 20 years because of litigation in the conflict. And if we're going to have the kind of future Tucson anticipates This is the number one problem in this state to be resolved.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=205.0,215.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: There's plenty of water here for everybody. It's just like the big oil deal. It's in rotten politics. And for the people of Tucson. I don't think city hall or our governor or legislature anybody gives a damn about us here. But I think I care about the people in Tucson about myself are living and it's just a whole rotten mess.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=216.0,245.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: One small farmer in Tucson has been fighting the big city interest for years now. He's ready to keep on fighting, keep his land and keep his water.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=246.0,252.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I looked around where they had plenty of water. And I could farm and I found this place with deeded restrictions that you could farm and had plenty of water. And I made sure that I could get the water and water rights to the property. And so I found out that we had to go back to the original homestead or Dr. Skinner to get the water rights from federal government from his homestead land was deeded to him for agricultural and mining purposes. They deeded the reservations to the Indians. They've got the water rights And also, I got the raw water rights in federal government same as they have. So if the Indians have the water rights, so DI","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=253.0,309.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: water rights on paper are one thing for the cities, the Mayans and the farmers. But ultimately the problem comes to the fact that we are using up our groundwater faster than nature is putting it back. The water table","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=310.0,320.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: is dropping, and they've been hollering about water for 35 or 40 years here, they are continuing hauling bought it. And the water deal is like our gas deal. It's a big hullabaloo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=321.0,335.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The hullabaloo began in the days of the old west where a man owned the property he could protect the little control the state now has is a result of litigation in the courts and patchwork in the legislature.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=336.0,346.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It can't be worse because we have no loans, anything would be better than what we have laws courses I see and laws that you have, for example, in California or New Mexico, allow for efficient use of water, the world goes down and water is being used. For example, in New Mexico, water is being used efficiently. The state engineer will tap the gentleman on the shoulder and so you get an efficient system where we turn your water off. And he can because he has lost the back of this is not possible in a state like Arizona. And as a result, what has been used. It turns out in my opinion is a state that has efficient lines winds up also with efficient water management plans to seek to go together. I think if you fight loss, you also fight management plans you don't want to eat or you just want to write to wastewater as you chew.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=347.0,403.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Mr. Hollom is the situation in Arizona as bad or as chaotic, as we're told, does Arizona have a groundwater law?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=404.0,411.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, sort of. It's the law of who's got the biggest pump and the biggest engine. And that's about it. I mean, it's a lot of what we call vertical riparian ism, he sits on top of the water he can take as much as you want. The law has evolved where farmers have the primary right to tap groundwater. And if anybody wants to use groundwater, they have to go deal with farmers or be sued by them. And the history last 20 years has been won a bitter conflict between the farmers who have monopolized water usage in the state, and other economic sectors, industrial mining, utilities and cities and Indians who are growing and who need water and have no place to get it. There is no case in Arizona that determines what the limit of a farmer's water right is. And they can do just about anything they please.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=412.0,459.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The laws governing underground water anywhere. I've always been complicated and so of the principles behind those laws. Tom Chandler respected as an attorney and Arizona reagent gave us the most concise explanation of those concepts.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=460.0,473.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The use of underground water is governed by four different principles, one we call the English rule, several principle that simply means that a person may put a well on his land and pump as much water underground water out from under land as He's big enough to pump. Another concept is what we call the correlative rights doctrine, which means that you pump in proportion to the amount of acreage you own over the water bearing. area, if you if there's 100 gallons of water and you own 50 acres of the land, you get 50 gallons of the water. Another doctrine is what we call the reasonable use, and it has certain variations. But basically, that's a doctrine that permits the person to pump water out from under his land and use it on his land, as long as he doesn't waste it. And then another concept that's applied to underground water is what we call the doctrine of prior appropriation that is, quote, first come first serve as a doctrine that recognizes or espouses a theory that water is public property belongs to the public and the first person who captures it puts it to beneficial use.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=474.0,544.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Now, which of these doctrines are we operating under right now in Arizona? Well, that's very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=545.0,548.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: difficult to say. The amounts doctrine is the reasonable use doctrine. But there are certain variations of that that had been engrafted by legislation, certain restrictions that the legislators impose in their judicial decisions that modify the classic doctrines. When you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=549.0,567.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Arizona groundwater law began to evolve in the 1940s in a very weak attempt to change the system that had years before dried the Santa Cruz River, things haven't changed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=568.0,576.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You can look at a situation where the city of Tucson for example, has retired something like 1/3 of the irrigated acreage and Abra Valley. And yet the remaining farmers have managed to continue to pump as much water as they did prior to that land being taken out of production and in some cases increase. So you have the problem that one group is stealing the water right up from under the feet of the other group. And continuing to do so with no restrictions","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=577.0,601.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: or restriction does exist, of course restriction of reasonable use that hasn't ever","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=602.0,605.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: been noticed. It means nothing in Arizona, there is no case in Arizona that defines reasonable use.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=606.0,609.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Do you feel at this time? We have adequate water laws in the state?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=610.0,615.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think the water laws in this state over the years and now have proven very sound. Water is recognized as a property right. And I see nothing wrong with that, I believe fundamentally and thoroughly and 100%. In a the sanctity of private property rights.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=616.0,640.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Now, is it your position that ownership of water under the land you own is a thing of the past?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=641.0,646.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think it is. I think it's also pretty much irrelevant, because in my opinion, the state has always had the right to regulate the use of water. The Supreme Court of the state said so very clearly, a few years back when it said that if you weren't a farmer, as of such date in 1954, you are out of luck.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=647.0,664.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: We pay lip service to the private property theories and concepts. But we really don't mean it. We, in many instances, that's simply being done to try to impress the public or try to inflame the public into thinking that someone's trying to steal someone else's property. And the true pure concept of water being owned by anyone, except in cases of surface water is, I think, on its way out","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=665.0,694.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: my property, my water is mine. And they cannot tell me what to do the state legislature, Congress, United States, or even the President of the United States,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=695.0,705.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: they should have made water laws 50 years ago. That's why I told the commission that was just 50 years too late. We had all been better off and made them 50 years ago,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=706.0,715.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: they tried to make a waterline 1948. But the attempt proved barely adequate. Since then, the courts have led the way and in 1976, took a stand and finally forced the legislature to act. This is where it all started. Farmers investment company just south of Tucson, the pecan orchards, Fico brought suit against the minds charging them with illegally lowering their water table. FICO last appealed and won. The implications of that case scared the daylights out of both Tucson who had joined the case, and the mines in the Santa Cruz Valley.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=716.0,745.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Everyone was fearful that FICO would use the power of injunction to close down the mines and throw out throw a number of people out of work. That was not our intent at all. Our intent was really to bring into focus that FICO was being raped. And we are being raped today by the fact that this valley as being overdrafted by many 1000s of acre feet as a result of the tremendous amount of water that is being used by the mining activities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=746.0,792.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The state formed the groundwater management study commissioned and ordered them to propose a new law, farmers around the state cried rape. We asked you Hollub if this was true,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=793.0,801.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: no, I think that you have to look back to that decision a few years ago, where the farmers and winning a lawsuit threatened to shut down a billion dollar mining complex and a good chunk of Tucsonans water supply. They won a battle but they've lost the war because they drove the mining and urban interests together to form a coalition to fight for water law reform in this state.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=802.0,822.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: When the farmers or the miners go to battle, they're represented by the best. Tom Chandler works for Animax calls himself a hired gun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=823.0,830.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The contention was that the the mining companies were violating the reasonable use doctrine by taking the water away from the land that was producing the water. That was the basis of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=831.0,841.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Many people feel the coalition formed between cities and minds of the castle Hot Springs is strange, if you will, how the coalition come about and why","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=842.0,850.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: they wouldn't say it was farmed. I would simply say that the interest of the urban user, the city user and the interest of industrial users, such as the minds are common interest and when you get down to a very important issue, people with common interests seem to be driven together.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=851.0,874.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But the legislature must make the actual law. We asked the cotton farmer Walden if the coalition really exists and if it will hold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=875.0,883.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Certainly it would seem that that is a true situation. Insofar as the structure and membership composure of the groundwater steady commission is concerned. I'm not so sure that is true. outside of that commission, either in the legislature or in other public bodies, that commission was loaded by a former governor of this state. From the very beginning talking about Castro, yes, we have only two members from agriculture. And it is not surprising the outcome that came from Castle hotsprings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=884.0,930.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The Commission does seem to be heavily loaded with powerful voices representing the cities and the minds but also the farmers. The Indians were given a seat but their representative Cecil Williams resigned, claiming tokenism. He declined to comment when we attempted contact. Like all the groups concerned with the groundwater legislation in Arizona, the group that seems to be most ignored is the faculty at the University of Arizona, I feel","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=931.0,951.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that it would have been good to have had someone who could take a less partisan viewpoint, I felt that when I did appear before the groundwater management study commission, my appraisal of that group was it was a very political group. And that they were still at the name calling stage rather than being a cohesive group that was working to solve a mutual problem. I think some of the of the recommendations that have come out of their their castle hotsprings retreat would not have been the same had they had some hydrologic advice.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=952.0,989.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: To me, it's a mishmash of its interaction by interests, that aren't looking at a picture and trying to get the best kind of a picture and most efficient use of water. But you have all these different interests that are pulling in their own way in their own direction. And it seems to me it gets some kind of law developed that really doesn't give you the most efficient use of water. In my opinion, we really don't know what's in what we have no way of groundwater resources in this Tucson basin. There are a lot of guesses. Now, obviously, there's some data, there's some deep wells, the city is drilling a lot of wells. So I have some data where we're not completely in the dark. But in my opinion, where we're living at a groundwater supply, which is the only supply we have, and the city is growing by leaps and bounds industries coming in. The logical thing, my way of thinking is to determine what you have in weight of water resources, both quantity and quality, from the surface down to bedrock. Knowing what you have, you can plan for the future.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=990.0,1064.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: My view on that would be that we don't need to know how much water is in storage, what we need to know is what the amount of water is that's being replenished each year. Because that's the amount of water that we can use without continuing to deplete the the underground aquifer. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1065.0,1080.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: don't think Saul knows everything that we're doing. We have over the last several years had $300,000 exploration program in the Abra valley to quantify the amount of water that is about available in Abra to determine the value of not only purchase water rights and that with farms, but also how much water is available on those farms, what we're paying for. So there's a number of studies ongoing that's going to provide this kind of information. And we're not going to we're not flying blind. We don't intend to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1081.0,1114.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: as a result of the castle hotsprings retreat. The battle lines are drawn, it seems like he's in minds seem to be forming coalition against the farmers. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1115.0,1124.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: yeah, I think the battle lines were drawn before I just think everybody came out into the open with their position and Castle hotsprings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1125.0,1130.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The farmers say they've gotten raped up there. Do they know?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1131.0,1135.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No far from it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1136.0,1136.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I don't think anybody has been raped yet. Certainly, if some of the things that were talked about at Castle hotsprings that could come about, but I think it's a long way from being a reality.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1137.0,1153.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: FICO and other big agriculture may still have the power to sway the legislature their way. But the small farmer sees his own situation differently.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1154.0,1162.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think FICO is probably a large corporate organization, with stockholders, probably scattered across the United States. I don't know that much about him. I know some of the individuals within their organization. I think by contrast, we hear and speak in a way that people within the irrigation district are basically family type farms, most of them have been here three generations. That's the third generation farming the same ground.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1163.0,1188.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Do you have any idea how far farmers would go in terms of compromise?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1189.0,1193.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think I think most farmers would compromise to the point that if ever by They can be cap hold and still in business only exist together. I don't think they this is the fair I think they have is people completely eliminating them,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1194.0,1210.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: are they willing to give up private ownership of their groundwater?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1211.0,1213.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: If they're compensated, I think they would give up private ownership.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1214.0,1216.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Keith Walden feels the loss of private ownership of water has greater implications. I think","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1217.0,1221.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that there will be a lot of people that will assume the pasture and I think rightfully so that if water can be confiscated, then it will set the groundwork for confiscating in the other industry that we have in this state. I think that there will be a lot of people have second thoughts, even including the mining industry, that of water, which is a natural resource can be confiscated. mineral resources can be confiscated.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1222.0,1263.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: tucson water director Jean Kronk, for one knows the battle is far from one for the cities.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1264.0,1269.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well think the farming agriculture interest has been heard from you. And I think they're waiting in the wings.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1270.0,1274.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How hard are you willing to fight to keep water your own private property?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1275.0,1277.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I'm very sincere. Jay, when I say that, I wanting to fight very hard for that. I think the agricultural industry would, I think the public would be willing to fight hard for that if they understood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1278.0,1295.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Even if the castle hotsprings proposal limiting the use of water for private landowners passes substantially intact, the question of enforcement of water law becomes real.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1296.0,1304.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I mean, it's a problem now. And you can't have a law to be enforced unless you have enforcement people and an enforcement attitude. And there has been virtually no enforcement of what little groundwater restrictions there are now. And farmers are not supposed to be opening up new farmland and critical basins, and yet they've done it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1305.0,1323.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I don't think there's any illegal wells there. The Supreme Court ruled here a few years ago, that if you had water under your place, it was yours. And you could pump it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1324.0,1334.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Are you telling me that there are farmers that will break the law to get more water?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1335.0,1339.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, my firsthand experience and looking at some of the allegations, I believe that's happened.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1340.0,1349.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I would disagree with with that, in principle. First of all, farmers are honest people just like everybody else in the state, we all pay our income tax. Nobody checks every individual income tax payer. And I think that most of the farmers would be would be honest, in terms of their use of water.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1350.0,1373.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: The opposing interests see the potential outcome differently. But both agree the results will be vital. What","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1374.0,1380.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: emanated from Castle hotsprings, as a long way from becoming law, what's going","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1381.0,1385.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: to happen ultimately, shouldn't be any surprise to farmers, they don't have the political clout in the state to continue to monopolize a water resource to the detriment of 2 million people. And several billion dollars worth of economic activity,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1386.0,1398.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: or the correlation between mining interest in city interest hold.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1399.0,1402.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I believe it will, particularly as long as the farmers continue to take this over my dead body type posture that they're usually have taken in these kinds of deliberations. If they're willing to be reasonable, and try to meet everybody halfway. It could be a different ballgame.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1403.0,1418.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: If these gentlemen get together and think about the state and think about the future and come up with something that's worth. There many examples. Again, we're surrounded by states with good laws. And all they have to do is follow the examples of the states that have been through it and established good luck. And hopefully, they will be up to be stone pessimists they can find on what I see. It's an economic","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1419.0,1444.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: war and the winners are the ones who have the most economic strength.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1445.0,1448.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Whoever wins, no one will agree to lose. Once the legislature reforms water law, those hurt will have recourse in the courts. Litigation will continue. We will have come full circle,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1449.0,1457.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: there's going to be so damn many lawsuits that they're going to lose. And the poor people in Tucson will have to pay for it. They'll just jack their water price up","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1458.0,1470.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: for them. What is equitable depends upon a person's point of view. And I'm sure that they will make every effort to do that. I would hate to think that our legislature would not come up with a solution that everyone can live with now. We've all got to be hurt, to find a problem to be solved. Everyone has to contribute to paying for the solution the problem","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1471.0,1496.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: this is hurting the people poor Are people in the city? They're entitled to the water is same as I am. And I'm not trying to pump their water out or shut them down. I'm just using my fair share out here on my property.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1497.0,1511.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: There's the problem, how much is anybody's fair share and in our desert should our definition of fair share change. All parties agree that first our groundwater table is falling, and as it falls, the cost of water will rise and the quality probably fall. Second, everyone else is using too much water. And third, the light of day is chaotic. A comprehensive plan is needed now. Tucson is growing, becoming a major urban center, but it's still the old west and the law of the land, your own land and its water will die hard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1512.0,1540.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: If the government would go back on me. They owe me 27 years of hard work a lot of damage, and they'll have to pay every penny of it before they can get me out. And if they if they can take it away from me they can take anything away from anybody in the whole United States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845#t=1541.0,1543.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1985/collection_resources/74849/file/160845/transcript/38464/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/038/464/original/azu_ms673-012_a.vtt?1654727513","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/038/464/original/azu_ms673-012_a.vtt?1654727513"}]}]}]}