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Thank you. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=0.0,3.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so I guess you could just start off by like name branch of the military and then your rank once you retire from the army.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=4.0,15.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Bob Steiger, Corps of Engineers, retired as an oh six. So I guess the first","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=16.0,24.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: question I want to ask is, way back when you decided to join the army, what was the reason behind wanting to join the army?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=25.0,34.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, really the biggest reason was I wanted a free education, so I applied for a West my my dad was a West Pointer, so I'm an Army brat, and I'm like, yeah, why not help the parents outside trying to pay for my own education? So I took the are a four year ROTC scholarship.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=35.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: There was no like influence behind your your your dad being the military, being a military Brad, that really convinced you to join the army.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=61.0,70.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, no. You know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=71.0,73.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it's funny how many kids follow their their dad's footsteps, whether they're a doctor, an attorney, an Army officer, Army non commissioned officer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=74.0,86.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So you went straight into ROTC, obviously, here at the University","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=87.0,90.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: of Arizona, and I started at another college back east, Lehigh University. They have a really good civil engineering program. Yeah, I've heard about them. And my thought process at the time, being 17 years old, 18 years old, was, wow, why didn't I go to the ROTC program that has the most expensive tuition in the best civil engineering program","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=91.0,119.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that was it still have really good issues.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=120.0,121.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, they do, but yeah, it didn't turn out that what really wasn't the college for me. So I transferred into my sophomore year. Sophomore","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=122.0,133.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: How was the program? Were you doing? ROTC at Lehigh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=134.0,139.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: yeah, four year scholarship. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=140.0,143.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: they had very heavy scholarship participants up there. And this is a solid program. U of A's at the time, it was a solid program. I just, I liked the college. I checked out ASU. I didn't like the ASU campus. I'm like, God, this is like Temple in Philadelphia, or something like, This is downtown. It's weird. So, good ROTC program, good civil engineering department, good enough for me. 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Yeah, I don't really want to wear that wasn't really the vibe here at U of A so it wasn't a big deal to be wearing what they call fatigues. That was back before they had be used AC use all that. And we had greens, and so the ROTC program, you know, U of A being, oh shit, I can't remember the name of the program that they used to call it, where the government gives them money. And our ROTC used to be mandatory at those schools for a while. So, yeah, in the 1900s","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=213.0,270.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: it was, it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=271.0,276.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was a good program when you looked at, you know, how do you evaluate yourself against other programs, summer camp, you know, advanced camp that you go to for, I guess it's now Fort Knox. It used to be in Fort Lewis, Washington, and the Western schools went up there. So we did. We did very well. In comparison to other Army ROTC programs, I think some of it may have had to do. We didn't have anything to do with DM the air base here, but we would go down to Fort Huachuca like you guys do for your, oh yeah, of course, your activities. There was no contact with the other programs, nothing at NAU, nothing with ASU, no joint ftxes or stxs or anything like that. So good program active back then it was really expected that you would go on active duty, and there were plenty of slots for for everybody to go on active duty. 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And it's just really good orientation. And I met some people that were lifelong friends from the program from that particular exercise. Yeah, my tent mate, for example, pup tent mate, that's awesome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=379.0,422.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And then you branched engineers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=423.0,425.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I had a little different path for real back then you could commission","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=426.0,433.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: before you graduated, before you had your degree.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=434.0,436.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=437.0,437.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so because I transferred I needed and I understand you're in the four year program and Cam Delgado's in the five year program, but transfer, you lose credits. You gotta Yeah. So it took me four and a half years. So I commissioned armor Oh in the summertime, and was I graduated in December, and I was with an army reserve tank battalion here in Tucson for from May to January, Tank Battalion here in Tucson. Oh, the tanks were in Fort Huachuca. Yeah, most drills would go down to Fort Huachuca, but, yeah, our reserve center was, was up here. 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The day I got commissioned, that night, I was in the field in Fort Huachuca, because I wanted the money from that weekend's drill, you know, and I went to exercise with the tank battalion up in Yakima, Washington in August, called Brave shield, 20 active duty soldiers. We were one of the first few reserve units. There it was air it was a joint exercise with the Air Force. Really cool. And here I am, you know, commissioned three, three months earlier. Hadn't been to the to Bolick or anything like that, so I got a lot of good","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=495.0,550.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: experience in those so as a officer in a tank, telling you, generally like, what was your job? Were you riding in the tanks?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=551.0,560.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So there was a combat support company separate from the tank companies, and it had the logistics that were there, the maintenance efforts, and they had a red eye platoon, which was the anti aircraft missile before the stinger. And so I was in charge of a section. It would normally be a platoon. The red eye platoon was supposed to have 17 people, eight. We had five. So it wasn't too challenging of a job, but it was I spent a lot of time with the NCO that I worked with. I. Went over the doctrine of Air Defense Artillery. How do you what are the what are the different environments and and restrictions you have weapons. Hold weapons tight. Weapons free. If it flies, it dies. You know, people are weapons tight as you can't shoot at somebody until it shoots. It's you and you identify that it's hostile. So there was a lot of learning there, and it was interesting, just I got to be very familiar, more so than as a cadet with the Army field manual systems. That was educational. 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It's now Fort Leonard Wood, Missouri. I went to the equipment of Olive then from February to June ever 1980 How","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=654.0,679.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: did you enjoy that? Yes, some of it, you know","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=680.0,688.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: someone, it was like being in school, in college again. 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You have plumbers, you have electricians, you have earth movers, and then you have construction supervisors, and then you have combat engineers, you have bridge engineers. Those are pretty much three categories. There's a difference. So when you come out of Bullock, when I was 21 Alpha, just a general engineer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=783.0,825.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: As a civil engineer,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=826.0,828.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: you may get categorized as $21 which is related to construction and the people. If you met any engineer officers when you were at the district doing your internship, they were, they were probably green engineers. They weren't, and they were probably, if they still use the designation 21 delta. So I became a 21 Delta when I went to my first unit in Germany, which was a true construction unit. They don't have the guarantee anymore, combat heavy in cycle, and every company had an earth moving platoon and two vertical platoons. And then you had Alpha Company. It was the heavy equipment. It had what they call a third shop, which is. Higher level for heavy equipment, and then they had a lot of heavy equipment. Nowadays, it's kind of transitioned into different at the company level. Yeah, we'll have an earth moving company. I forget what they're called nowadays, but it was great being a degreed engineer coming out of college, knowing what critical path, knowing soils, knowing hydraulics and building stuff","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=829.0,936.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: over there, so your engineering degree is pretty applicable to engineering in the army","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=937.0,944.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: depends on your job. Yeah, you're a combat engineer. There's nothing that you really learned anyway in college that's going to translate maybe some strength of materials and some finite analysis. When it comes to having to classify a bridge, what you're classifying their military way, based on military web class, not which is, you know, is related to a lot more than just how much weight the bridge piece. So I was very happy that for my three and a half years in Germany with company level, battalion level and gate level engineering, I use Micah, correct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=945.0,1005.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So you said your first duty stations, Germany. How was, how was that First Station?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1006.0,1019.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Kind of a tip of the spear, you know, as the Cold War Vietnam was over. We were going to get into war. It was going to be against the Warsaw Pact in Russia, there in Germany, right along the border. So COVID. There is a there is a good sense of mission, although our wartime mobilization position was not closer in the border, like combat engineers would have been on the border, close to it. Ours was behind where we were. Well, kind of behind where we were. Our wartime mission was doing two things, either supporting the Air Force and rapid runway","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1020.0,1072.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: repair, because all the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1073.0,1074.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: bombs the Soviets would have thrown at it, we had a secondary mission of putting up temporary bridging, preparing bridging for the German railroads, so that our equipment and supplies could go east towards The Mountain. So a lot of times your combat, your construction engineers, forget that they have a secondary mission of being infantry. And what that means is a lot of the skills either decay or they just they don't attach the importance to it, things like this, basic marksmanship and how to use your gas mask and how to decontaminate yourself, things like that, our basic soldier skills.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1075.0,1130.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So your time in Germany, because it was cold war, was mostly spending time training in case a war were to happen.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1131.0,1138.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, it was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1139.0,1145.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: eight to nine months out of the year doing construction","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1146.0,1150.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: totally. So I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1151.0,1153.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: think we need to put up some metal engineered buildings, pre engineered buildings, Butler buildings, souleil buildings, great. Let's, let's plan the project where we decided soil stresses, get the equipment to compact the ground for the concrete, make sure that the anchor bolts are properly there in the concrete, and then erect the structure of the building, the skin of the building, insulate it, add electricity, but that was the cool part. We were doing construction nine months out of the year. You know, the other three months out of the year we would we would train on. I have combat engineering a wartime or wartime tasks, the common soldier skills tasks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1154.0,1213.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So then you spent how much of your LT time was spent in Germany you came out of jail. Came out of Germany.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1214.0,1227.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: At that point. It was somewhere between 36 and 39 months time and service to make captain. And during Vietnam, 24 months or so,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1228.0,1251.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: when the army expands, they make captain in under three years. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1252.0,1258.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I was at the brigade level as the brigade civil engineer. That was September 1 of 1983 so I had basically been in, yeah, that's right, it was less than three years because my reserve got","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1259.0,1288.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: promoted to captain. Big pay raise.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1289.0,1298.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Could you guys call it now, but the captain the career course, yeah. So I did the engineer one of my course audits, and I went to the Armor Officer advanced course, because here's a here's a lesson for you and everybody else. If you're going on the reserves, you need to be he's still for you need to be Combat Arms qualified as an officer when you're in the reserves of God, because that's where an extraordinary amount of the forces so every state has National Guard tree, Italians, artillery, National Guard aviation. If you're an engineer, and that's the only branch you're qualified with, you are not going to help a unit. Mosq. Mosq, qualification percentage. You want to have over 90% of your people trained in what their job is, their MOS. And so if you're going to an infantry unit, you're an engineer officer, they're going to say, you know you're not really going to help us on our MOS Q, Lieutenant, and if you go to the infantry or armor or any combat arms advance court by correspondence, Then you check that block and your branch, qualified as an armor officer, field artillery officer, so I took the engineer course by by correspondence, which had to do it again. I wouldn't do this, but I talked to myself, I don't need a PE I don't want it to sign. Well, so I took the engineer course my correspondence while I was Lieutenant Senior Lieutenant at junior camp. And then I asked for the armor advance course so I could get a combat arms because I knew I was getting off active duty after five years obligations. That's it helped me get my first job out of off of active duty. I became a company commander in an infantry training unit. And because I was qualified as an armor officer, I was qualified combat arms I help their mosq. The message to you is, if nothing else, pick that take the correspondence course to get your career course in a military in a combined arms specialty. So I did that at Fort Knox. Now I went to high school at Fort Knox, so I'm back there amongst friends and people that I knew. And of course, I grew up there, and then I went to work for my final six months on active duty at a place that did troop testing. Of new equipment, every branch, all the major branches, chemical field artillery, not so much, MPs, armor, infantry engineers, Air Defense Artillery, they have an organization designed to field test the new equipment. So at Fort Knox was the armor and engineer board. So that tested new tanks, new versions of tanks, the M 88 Mercury year it tested new equipment for the Corps of Engineers, the troop side. And then we also did chemical equipment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1299.0,1550.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: It was really cool.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1551.0,1552.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I'm a project officer on a chemical shelter. There was an overpressure shelter, having people come in and out. We set up at a military base one summer when the National Guard was coming through for their two week annual training. And so built this woody building, and we could put the shelter in, and they statistically the soldiers that were working for me, they had to record every time somebody came in or went out, what time it was. And they'd record the air pressure inside, inside this and then, man, they had some really, really sharp statisticians that would take all this info and look at the failure, the meantime to repair. So what was the operational readiness rate on this? Just all kinds of stuff, just from all the data that we collected. You know, very interesting. One of my buddies had an even more interesting thing. They were testing a new intrusion detection system for arms rooms. So they would set up all the sensors, and it didn't matter that you had a locked door or not, but they would set up all the sensors perimeter and inside the arms room, and then check it out. Okay, are we? Can we come up with some ideas on how to defeat it? So they put people in fireman suits, and they had big sheets of Styrofoam, as long as they move slow enough, you could defeat it. We can't talk about that. That's classified, you know that, but there's a lot of cool stuff that we got together, and I worked with Edgar for a while. The guy in charge was in oh six had been the battalion commander of a sister Engineer Battalion in Europe where I was so I knew him. The funny thing was, it was the place my dad had his last job on active duty. And so they're like, Oh, you Colonel Steiger. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I was only there for six months, so the only thing I tested was, was that show okay, because they knew I was leaving active duty, so I didn't get any of the other stuff. 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All my experience while in Germany and construction was somewhat applicable to and it was just great being a company commander of a bunch of drill sergeant, yeah, and a half, 1415, people is company that's so big by those units. We had some fun. I had some how are we doing on time? You know? I ended up taking all my drill sergeants out and and we, I had a buddy at work that had a paintball company. So we did force on force with e5 through e8 two companies were at the same reserve center. They had a blast just doing standard. Oh, here's a common task manual. We are teaching these. Are these soldiers in basic training, or individual infantry training, everything from how to do foxhole to fill out a range for crew serve a weapon? So it was that was kind of neat, and I did that for the better part of two years, and then I went into the Individual Ready Reserve because I went to grad school on weekends, and got finished with that, and grad school and I moved","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1730.0,1834.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: to Georgia, and of course, we might swim. I gotta","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1835.0,1842.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: find another reserve truck so I haven't been on active duty for five","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1843.0,1854.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: years. I checked out the Georgia guard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=1855.0,1858.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: They had a very good engineering Yes, Lieutenant Colonel, I sat across from when I was captain, said to me, well, we can take you, but not as a captain. You'll have to come back in as a first lieutenant. And then there are people here who are first lieutenants like you, and they're going to make major before, you know, just the old thing of we protect our own that just doesn't sound right, not with all the experience that I have, you know, just because I don't have a Georgia accent, you know. So when I didn't go to Georgia Tech or Bucha like that, so I found a unit active that was a three star unit headquarters Third Army in Atlanta, downtown. There's a small military base there, and they had a reserve augmentation unit. And so the active unit was about 800 people. The augmentation unit was about 120 150 and when I showed him my military bio, with all the engineering experience, the construction experience, and having done it at a theater level, being the 18th Engineer Brigade where I was at, brigade engineer was at the theater level for the army in Europe. They were like, Yeah, we got a slot for you. 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And then the Gulf War came around August, the second 1990 Saddam invaded Kuwait, and headquarters Third Army sent an advance party over within two weeks to Saudi Arabia. And I was activated in September, and I was over there for Desert Shield in October, and stayed until April, doing programming. But I saw buddies from Germany. They were still on active duty. My former company commander was battalion EXO of an engineer battalion. So that was, that was that was cool. It was what was really cool is being back with people on active duty and having that high level of standards and performance and teamwork. So, yeah, I ran into, I ran into a guy from U of A was one of my college roommates. Wow. He was ex Navy, but after I left and graduated, because he was a couple years behind, because he was, you know, he came in after enlistment. I'm walking back from a mess hall to where my billet was, and I hear this really unusual. Laugh. It's dark, and I'm going, shit. I know who that is. That's Jim. And sure enough, I walk over and I see he's sitting there hawing with some other people here. He is a captain in the Air Force, you know, captain in the army. I'm like, Wow. Just it's amazing. The kind of who you will see, things like that. So I stayed with that unit for a while, and then it was like finally time to make major, because I'd been in, you know, I got promoted in three years to captain, and that was seven and a half years later, seven years later, it came out. The Majors list. So I'm looking for a majors job in the reserves, and this is where your military resume in the reserves, in the guard who you know, or who knows you, is very important. So I found that there was an engineer battalion in South Carolina, even though I'm living in Atlanta, that said there was a major salon an XO position. When I went there to interview, there was already somebody at the desk, and they're like, people are like, what are you here for a while? And you're talking about the XO? We just got a new xo. 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It was a pretty good unit. One of the companies won the itchner award, I, T, S, C, H, N, E, R. 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So that just goes to show you the quality of people and quality All right,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=2210.0,2228.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: 10 minutes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=2229.0,2231.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So I want to talk Gulf War, kind of walk me through your experience being part of being activated, being part of that. 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Don't know when the orders are going to come down and you're going to have to leave your civilian job, and don't know how long we will our moon station will be here, where here at Fort, McPherson, Georgia, where we regularly are, but I don't know if you'll be here a week, two weeks, three weeks, probably not longer than three weeks, because what we're waiting On is airlift, and that's always a critical thing. So that was really an emotional time. I wasn't married, thank goodness at the time. So I just closed up my house, locked it up, gave a fraternity buddy from U of A who happened to live in Atlanta, the key to the house. Took my two duffel bags, and you know, it's gone for nine months. Yeah, so. But what that teaches you is, you know, you hear people cry after a tornado or a flood, I've lost everything. She hadn't lost anything important, yeah, lots of just stuff, you know. And that was really the big lesson that I learned from that aspect of it. The other thing that I learned is, regardless of what the laws are, oh, you've been activated. The soldiers and sailors Relief Act says that the mortgage on your credit card goes down, the mortgage on your house, excuse me, the interest on your credit card, the interest on your mortgage goes down and. A lot of people come. You don't follow the follow along. I had to call a radio, a TV station and and tell them what was going on. And then I I called the banks and said, Oh yeah, you're gonna be hearing from the TV station, because you guys aren't doing you're not following along. 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So one of the first things I did was figure out, you know, I was talking to you about, we're getting this many soldiers. What are the facilities we need to bed them down. What do they need for maintenance? What about dining facilities? And how are we? We need to find contractors to build those and to operate them. And so I was doing a lot of requirements development and looking at it, and then saying, you Hey, what's it going to cost? Because even though we're in a war, we still have to ask for money. And one of the things the government in Japan at that at that time said during the Desert Shield station, we'll we're not providing troops, but we'll support you. America will provide money. So they gave $600 million and one of my missions was figure out how we're going to spend, and prioritize how we spend $600 million Japanese money. So I was doing quick in a hasty road work design on equivalent 18,000 pound axle loads to determine what it was going to cost to make a two lane road to the oil fields a four lane road. And once I came up with the design, then I was contacting contractors and costing it in the country of Saudi Arabia, on the other end of the spectrum, after desert storm started and I volunteered to go with the Mobile Army command post, which is a bunch of these vans and 18 wheel trailers, two of the things I got involved in the army At that time didn't have any way to track minefields, especially minefields that were laid by artillery or aircraft or helicopters, and we had some real problems with those, because they were not what was called a persistent minefield. They weren't going to stay there forever. A lot of the mines that we were deploying at that time could set them for whether they were 48 hours or 72 hours, or whatever. The problem was that up to 12 15% of the mines would not explode once the time frame went off, so they were still a hazard. So I put together a minefield tracking spreadsheet. And when the corps were telling the army where they had in place minefield they were doing their sit reps, I would track all out info, and then, using the spreadsheet, be able to pass out to the follow on units that these are no go areas, because you cannot count on the lines haven't been exploded. So I did that, and then I got involved in the transfer of armored vehicle launching bridges. Those are the scissor type bridges that come down off of the tank so that, so that armored vehicles can go over 20 some feet gap. And the coalition forces needed Him, and the Americans had them, so we had to give some up, and I was coordinating with people to do that. And it's funny, I'm on the I'm on the military phone system that's all wireless, and I'm talking to a guy who went to the career course with me at Fort Knox in the armor school, like, oh yeah. Mark Myers, how are you? It's just like, wow. So really interesting. But those were the things that I got involved in then, because I was there so early. You know, in October, I was very early coming back to. It before the main body of the headquarters came back. So, you know, that was the other things. We were under indirect fire, not artillery, but we got scutted A lot. We had some within a kilometer of us, which was quite concerning, because at that point we thought Saddam was going to use chemical weapons. So any time the satellites detected a Scud, which is a ballistic missile launch, everybody had to go to Mach four. You had to put on your mask, your chemical protective gear, your gloves, your over boots, and it would take hours, and you're trying to work in that environment, you know, you really appreciate it. Thank God this is in the wintertime and not in the summertime. Here, you know, here's my gulf war experience.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=2426.0,2763.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Last two questions. First one being, you had to give your one biggest takeaway from your time in the army, either for yourself, for others, what would you say? Please? Two things,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=2764.0,2782.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: integrity. The army was known for integrity and had this one of the highest institutional approval ratings by the public. I don't know where that stands now, but integrity is something that you learn in the military. You practice it. It's a great life habit. Nobody can take that away from you. The second thing is people skills, even though we're in the military and we have positional power. It's on my Well, nowadays it's right here. It's my rank. I do it because I tell you to that the I don't care where in life you are, including the military, that good people skills and by that good communication and listening skills are so important. So those are the two things that I tell you. I pick takeaways from my career.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=2783.0,2849.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And lastly, if you had any advice to younger men and women planning to enter into the army, what","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=2850.0,2856.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: would you say? So where did these questions come from? Are these the same ones everyone's getting asked, or these are the questions I've made up. You developed. I developed. Good for you. Those are some good questions. So are these? Is this advice to people who've chosen to join the military or people who are considering it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=2857.0,2876.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Why not both the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=2877.0,2880.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: easier question is probably for people considering it, it's a life changing experience. It will just whether you're in it for two years or five years, it will give you so much more life experience you're responsible for people as a lieutenant, but as a or in the military, you have so much more responsibility, and that's why, subject To being okay mentally PTSD, that's why veterans are relished as candidates by an awful lot of employers. I was so and I'll tell you that even five years ago, I was thinking of taking my military off the off my resume, because I really wanted to keep it to two pages","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=2881.0,2940.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and your resume is two pages? Well, yeah, they tell us 130","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=2941.0,2945.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: plus. Well, for you, yeah, tell us one page nowadays, yeah, well, I don't know, but you know, what would they tell your PMS when he retires and goes looking for a job? I don't know. They tell him one page, you know. But no for you guys, yeah, I would agree one page. So five years ago, I had this one guy say, the reason I'm I'm talking to you, and I'm very interested, I want you to leave San Antonio, is I value your military experience. You guys always get the job done. So that's my advice, that if you're not sure what you want to do, give the military a couple years. And for people that are that are in the military, you know what? We didn't talk about the mistakes I made, like, 27 years I made a couple. Yeah. But look where I ended up. You know, it's a forgiving people will forgive you. If you're sincere and you absolutely make sure you don't make the same mistake twice, you can forgive me. Those are the lessons.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=2946.0,3019.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I appreciate you talking to me today. Yeah, it was awesome.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818#t=3020.0,3023.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153723/file/282818/transcript/81693/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, it was worth buying your lunch for that. 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