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Tape number two, I'm interviewing Elma Udall at her home in Albuquerque. It is about 830 in the evening on May 15 of 1996 Elma, I want to take this opportunity to thank you for participating in this oral history project. And I think what I'd like to do is just start off Elma by getting a little background material on yourself, what you did during your life, your career and and before we sort of start talking about other family","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=0.0,42.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: people. Well, I am the second child. Levi Emily. She all, I miss the first I'm second. Stuart Lee is third, Morris King is fourth, Elvis is fifth, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=43.0,50.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: David Burr is six.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=51.0,57.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And we all grew up in St John's. I was in the war in the Red Cross during the Middle East, and I developed red case father looks, I guess, and I eventually joined the State Farm working around the world. London is my first class debate. I had Helsinki, Moscow, Berlin, Stockholm, the antiques, and I wound up working as the secretary to the ambassador to the courtesy of James named King Brewster. And I told him, after that I'd have to go in touch. So I retired, and during all those years, I was very involved with genealogy. When I started, our great grandfather came from there. I had fun of going down to the villages, talking to the record cemetery,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=58.0,127.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: seeing all the original records. One of the friends","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=128.0,134.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: still carry on great experiences. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=135.0,139.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I love traveling around the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=140.0,142.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: world. I retired in 1979","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=143.0,145.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I looked the world over. I almost","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=146.0,153.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: came home years 15, I guess, and then I moved over","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=154.0,158.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: here. Elma, you as I know you. You traditionally have been referred to me as the Udall family historian, and I got the impression. And correct me if I'm wrong, is it sort of a man who you inherited from your mother?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=159.0,171.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I guess I inherited during the genealogy, I was very interested in Utah history as well. And my father wound up with all the papers that David came all had that he collected my head girl. They started it, the whole thing and all this hybrid. But it was my father and mother who finally edited together. I together. 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You just said a second ago, How far were you able to find much information on the U dollars learning? Oh, my goodness, I didn't. I didn't realize and some of that you were able to do during your foreign service days, when I was","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=226.0,241.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: in England, and then I always went back and I did a lot by correspondence. It's if you ever get bored by study history, you have to study geography.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=242.0,256.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Were you actually able to meet father still Udalls anyway, oh yes. In","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=257.0,261.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: 1977 when Mars attorneys were at the 76 I had a Utah ground up. I called him, and I had a tea party. I had 75 relatives that I had found by going through the phone books here and there and inviting them to my boss. There from that I've made many,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=262.0,288.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: many things that's delightful. I didn't realize you had been that successful at tracing back. I'm stuck","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=289.0,294.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: now you get beyond Henry and Harry. Registers get into that very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=295.0,306.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: working period, as we both know, David Udall left England in the early 1850s after converting to the Mormon faith in England. And amongst, amongst the papers that you had donated to the library were fragmentary diaries, as he had kept, you know, sort of talked about his this trip over and a little time in New Orleans, a little bit of time in St Louis before they began their Trent West, not too, too long after. I'm thinking you never knew David. He died in 1910 he passed away before any, any of you, your brothers or","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=307.0,343.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: sisters were, that's right, my father.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=344.0,346.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Are there any stories, memories, things that may have been told to you by your mom and dad or by David K about, about David the first David. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=347.0,361.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: never heard too much orally from him about it, but from the papers that I had. And you see, it was from what he wrote down and what my grandfather, his son, David King, then went on a mission in 1875 and 1876 he kept a journal. And it was from all that but I located the English relative, and I, you know, come on down from there. So I really learned more about what I read and being in his village. And I know the people over in public, where he did the milk walk, where he met Eliza k pop down on the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=362.0,401.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: streets. David. David lived his life out in southern Utah, in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=402.0,409.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Nephi. 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And it's I read a lot of diaries, and it's extraordinary for two reasons, one, in wonderful handwriting, which makes it delightful for people, generating family reviews and very rich and detailed entries on day by day, things that were going on, not only during his mission in England, but later on as time, as time went by. And I know what I wanted to talk a little bit about is some of your memories of David, David King, because David King passed away in 38 and you would have been a teenager then. So you probably have some memories of grandfather, of grandfather David King. And I was wondering if you might share some of your your thoughts and memories about David K I'm not as much interested in some of the we know about, some of the things he did, his involvement in the church and his his stint in the Arizona territorial legislature, and his work later in in in Mesa. And we know a lot of we know a lot of that, but one of the things I was sort of hoping to find out is it may be a little more any memories you might have had of your interactions. I realized some of these would have been when you were very young girl, but some of them maybe when you were as a young teenager, some of your thoughts and memories about David, personality wise, and what he was like with his grandchildren and any thoughts or memories in that regard? Well, he was very much of a patriarchal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=437.0,530.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: You almost knew where he stood, and he was not none of that generation, but very demonstrative. But I think we all knew that he loved and in the farm a church, you have patriarchs, and you give blessings to your rest of your family. 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And I until I went to England and began to get started, and if we were stuck, he brought with him, or David Udall brought with him the record of his father, Jesse, and his grandfather, John. But it took 100 years, and I finally make the break, find this job. 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There must be quite a story to it. So that his direction, while at the time, it didn't mean all that much to me what I did, and I think he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=622.0,641.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: was grandmother. 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Ida had six children, five boys and one girl, and Pauline lived to smoke like that is Maria Ellsworth, mother, and she's going to go to the book. Then there was Uncle John H who is Nick's father, and he moved to Phoenix and ran for governor, etc, etc. Was the mayor before Nick ever was. There was a governor who stayed in St John's and was a farmer. There was Uncle Jess who married my mother's sister, and they lived in Thatcher and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=804.0,846.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: he had very similar lives. The brothers married sisters. 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And so everybody called after i To die. All grandchildren called. She was their grandmother. Grandmother. And I think that they the families intermixed. Had children drive the mail while you lived down the mail, either was down there, but if you were going to school, you lived in St John's and you lived there and went to school. No matter who they were, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=944.0,986.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: don't think it was very divided up. Do you recall any did David King ever talk with you or any of your brothers and sisters about the early days in St John's when he first came down there? 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Uncle Grover, Cleveland, Udall was named for a special reason.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1048.0,1052.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yes, he was, and I have, or you have now, I guess the original part, David King, Udall in the early days in hatch County, Stewart says, and I think he's right, but St John's is one of the few places where the Marvins came to settle, where they were already aware the Mexicans were already there. 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I saw bars that brought them up in New Mexico to grow grain there, because they were used to haul it from New Mexico to grow from there. So they were already established there. And so while Arizona was a territory, they the Mexicans controlled the county. They were the officials and so on, and they resented the markets. 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And I remember his mother was here when his grandfather came to my father and said, I want to go out there. And and so once more they did. But anyway, because of this feeling and because of the pressure they were after these Mormons were practicing, and they really were trying to get David King off charge, but in order to have to be charged, you have to have a second wife in existence, and Ida Francis, and she went to snowflake, and then she went off to Utah. So there was no way they could prove me, because she was not there. And it was early on she had no children. I and so then they got him on perjury, which was a Trent up contract, and he had been a witness for miles Romney, on a homestead that he lived there so many years. And in the questions, it was kind of. To them the way they asked it. 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So he spent three months in the House of Correction in Detroit with several other students, and then he was part of that. So I does Utah, and she had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1210.0,1230.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: already given birth to Pauline, her oldest daughter.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1231.0,1238.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And then next child born, and first son, Lauren, and he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1239.0,1251.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: bar you mentioned in passing just a few minutes ago, in the early days of St John's Mexican families that were living there, and also the Barth. Mr. Barth was involved with a number of enterprises in St John's just sort of a side question when you were growing up, were there any bars still around? Had they all gone by that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1252.0,1268.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, no, they were all,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1269.0,1271.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I don't remember the old man, Solomon Barth. He's the one who came there, and he married a Mexican woman, and his daughters became Catholics, and then he had Isaac, Jacob and marks us, these three sons who I think they'll pass over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1272.0,1293.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: They had Bar Mitzvahs. They were Jewish. 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He used","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1298.0,1304.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: to ride back and this would have been Solomon's son, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1305.0,1307.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and Isaac was a lawyer. I think he got disparity in California, Arizona.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1308.0,1317.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And when my grandmother died, he wrote a very nice","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1318.0,1322.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: book about her growing up as a child, knowing her, and he came. He brought these next ones, Vera grants towards St John's. And they were growing rain there by Little Colorado. And he also is the one who sold the land to Mormons, paperwork, and they bought the land from him and came down. So I don't remember him, but I did know his sons. And it's, I mean, I'll be frank and say this, looking back on it, it seems to me like that with the Mexicans there, there were about 500 Mexicans","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1323.0,1375.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and about 900 Mormons,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1376.0,1378.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: next other. And to begin with, there was animosity. We were standing back and my father, by my father's generation, they, they learned a little Spanish, they kind of, they had a few friends, but not much. We had a Mexican grade school, white man's grade school. And then we had a high school and but not many of the Mexicans went to high school, and by my generation, there were quite a few that went to St John's the high school. The Garcia brothers were great basketball players. 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David King said, Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1940.0,1947.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: she had a nice little start, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1948.0,1952.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: my Warren, my brother in law, who helped, he said, we were rich, but, I mean, we had a car and we","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340#t=1953.0,1961.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270340/transcript/78717/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 5: had a we had a car. Most people were still bathing in number three cups, and we didn't. We had a pet stuff. You didn't have it ran out down in the spot. 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I mean grade school, eighth grade, he ran against his father, my best friend, and in little town, that was a good touch. My judge, Givens had been the judge for 13 years. My father has been the county Trent and so on. He decided to run the judge. 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And I remember going to Alpine with the judge one time, and there were 40 voters up there, and the judge got 39 because a lot of her mother's relatives and homes and leaves anyway. I remember going through there one time, and the judge pointed this house up on the hill, and he said, that's where the man lives. But he by running he knew everybody in the county. He was very interested in statistics. He said that he. The only time St John's group in population was depression. Now, Stuart says we didn't know there was depression because we were depressed anyway, but, and he did, says we grew up behind. We didn't have any railroad. 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Elma, when we left off on the first side of the tape, you were in the middle of telling me about Mars's accident with the eye. And I think we were sort of at the time your dad took Mars down to Phoenix. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=5.0,31.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, anyway, it was from January to May. I told you about he came","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=32.0,39.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: in class, so they went to Penny. Soon as I was somehow, I don't know why, but So mother was there, I think, for almost a month with him going to the dog chamber. And I think it was very hard on mother, but she he said to her once, well, I can still see everything there is. And I think maybe, in a way, that's not the software. I mean, I'm sure it left his mark on him, front and all, but he never quite were aware of it. He carried on his own. Everything happens, almost. 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It's just and so he had an artificial eye last eye, and in the morning, he'd take it out at night, and then before breakfast, Mother would hand him, hand him an eye come forecast with on for gas and every now and again, all that why it would hit the table or something and break so Mother would then send to the Denver optical company, and they would send her 20 hot blue eyes. You don't know how many shades there are a roof. Did you get this thing? And so he was very patient, and we stand there by the fireplace and try these odds you could tell to begin. And she finally got rich, and I guess that she got two at the time. So in case, one duck broke. I don't remember how many times they broke, and he'd go off the flight. He didn't care for them. And then when they went in the service live, actually, they had a plastic cup thing. I guess they proved the whole thing. So he had more of a permanent lesson. He didn't have to take it out every now, but I think that it never quite shows. 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When we play in, we kind of knock each other out, but there again with our then after we ate bonfires. Why that our Father and Mr. Gibbons, growing up there, they used to talk about their childhood. And I think my father, he was quite a very good man. Mr. Gibbons said that one of the worst things you could get into as a young man in st Young was a game of back out with Guy and his friend, Jake Patterson, because they pole ball off the church, swing off the bell tower, all sorts of things. As I've said before with my grandfather, you you learn more by listening to them talk to each other than you did by them telling you what happened. And we all learned to drive learned I wait. I would start driving 14th, and waited sure until I was 16, and then I went up on my license. But there weren't too many cars. It was a great lot. The judge would go and hold court in other places there was no transportation. Ride somewhere. Why they did his car was over the service station. 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I don't think the judge ever said, you know, why don't you lawyers? They like the idea. They both have their pre law before they went into service and then they came back and went to law school, and we were involved in County politics. I mean, with Dad running, we know, we knew he was running, and all this sort of thing, and even the state candidates that used to come up campaigning my dad, I remember he would always say, I want you to shake hands, not I want you to meet. I want you to shake hands with so if you were to look them in the eye and you shake hands, you knew who they were. And I don't think it was anything made a big thing of it, but it was part of his world, and we were part of it too. They liked newspaper, newspapering a bit, and Morris wrote a column. 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But this Columbus geology, who he'd been the First World War","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=803.0,834.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: II and anyway, so he wrote gerug. My reputation, and then hit their march.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=835.0,854.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But I remember when","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=855.0,875.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: when we were speaking earlier, as you kids grew up and began to sort of go your separate ways, terms of education and careers and so on. You had mentioned that your your your mother, had sort of a special way of keeping in contact with you. I wonder if you could tell tell me a little bit about that. We talked about it off the tape before, but I'd like to get some of that on our recording about your mom's letters to the kids as he began to go away and.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=876.0,900.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, mother taught herself to type, and she worked on the side, but as Zionist went away to college, she'd write her Sunday afternoon, she wrote her a letter, and during the war, this was in Purdy, she started the war came on. Younger Roseville used to have a column in the paper called my day. The mother called her to my week and harnessing that little saying, and she would tell us what was going on in now and all about each other, and then she would rise, but, and we all got one, and on your on your birthday, she'd write, going to not just events that were going on, but she talked about history. She talked about lovely and with the bar, she was very important that she conducted everybody, and she sometimes would do an extra match and send it off the war. Several of them wrote back and said, Can I get a subscription? But we all kept a lot of them. And she eventually, I think, after the scene, she started making the next property, and then she went back and kind of brought it up to date. But after she died, this is all why I got from our skip a lot of rooms, but I got them all together, and we now have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=901.0,1013.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: a nice size file for letters, which is","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1014.0,1017.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: really our family story, and Elma as again, as you grew older and all of you were off pursuing education and career, so were you all able to sort of keep in touch? Were you able to keep in touch with Mars? You know, once you were up going on your education and career, the kids able to keep in touch. Or, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1018.0,1032.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: think mostly We kept in touch with our parents and mother would relay. But I do have, I came across a letter the other day for Mars.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1033.0,1041.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Mars, start your career with State Department. Well, this is red I went to Red Cross first","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1042.0,1047.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: in 44 and I got but he wrote me a letter. Yes, I've got several letters. I think during the war, we did more radically. The other way through the years. I think when there's maybe there's exactly why you you don't write to everyone. My sisters and I wrote quite often, and on your birthday class like that, but not so much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1048.0,1081.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You're lovely. You","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1082.0,1083.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and I think it's kind of a family trait, but my grandmother, she","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1084.0,1091.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: kept her letters by the freshman 1872 her father and she was a teacher","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1092.0,1098.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: of letters, the judge letters, he'd get the file in each one of us. Finished school","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1099.0,1116.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: in the law practice. They opened their law practice open their law practice up in in Tucson. I assume by that time that you were either still in the Red Cross or moving into your State State Department.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1117.0,1129.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I I found Washington, but before my brothers, I just need to splash. I went with Washington, and then I went to Wonderland. And then I went to London. Stewart went to Congress, and so I was not around. I'd come home every two years, and I'd go, you know, I kept up with everything, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1130.0,1159.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I came home, but on the the came","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1160.0,1162.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: home, but on the day to day goings on it, but there again, mother kept us farmers about each other,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1163.0,1170.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: is that something your mom continued to the end of her life then that was something she got into doing and just kept, kept doing it. So you sort of maybe knew what Stuart or Morris were doing politically or in Tucson or the law practice through, through your mom's letters, then","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1171.0,1186.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and every now and again, the judge a telephone was not something","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1187.0,1193.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: very much St John's. It's hard to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1194.0,1197.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: hear, and we never got used to. It was a thing for giving messages or something like that, if you never just on the phone. And I remember, I kind of came from one time and getting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1198.0,1210.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: into New York, not very excited to call mother, and she well, we'll be here in a few days. You know? I'll tell you everything that she was not to she just kind of wanted to get whatever the message was. I told her when I was done, and then she'd hang up. So that letter says what","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1211.0,1232.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: several things that Morris came very involved with once he got into Congress, was a great deal of legislation that he authored, working with his staff on bills relating to Native Americans, the wide range of things, relating from schools to hospitals to leasing, a wide range of issues you know, bills that facilitated or provided benefits of one kind or another for Native Americans. And your mother also wrote a book me and me and mine, life story of Helen sukawa. I'm really most Moe's long standing interest in Native American Affairs. Is that something that that came because of your mom's interest in that you think, or I'm really, really really interested in that, because I've read your mother's book a number of years ago, and you know, it's a delightful book, story of a person who the Hopi woman was a very close friend. Is that something you think came from your mom, Mars is interested in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1233.0,1293.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: that? Yes, I think it came from mother. And it's interesting that growing up in St John's, you didn't have cars and travel while the whole piece of ad hose were out here, but we really didn't see much difference St John's. And so I remember when his dad had if the Indians got off the reservation the town, but then it was county jurisdiction. Otherwise it was needed, and it was put a railroad track on the train on the track, and they sat up on the hill to see whether or not the train the track would what I mean by track, the lumber that some people wouldn't call the trestle anyway, whether the train would break the stick piece with the head on there, whether the that piece would stop the train. And they set up a yellow watch. And I remember they came in the st John, but I think dad used to go out to the reservation, but he never did. And so personally, we as growing up, we didn't see too much of them, but mother was very involved. She got very involved through the church with Maricopa, and that's where she met Helen come down with her children, with her education and but Jacob Hamlin and John Dee Lee in the early pioneer days of West they were, that was, they were very involved. I think my mother came by rightfully. The barmans felt that they're going to colonize through here, that they had to make friends with the Indian. You know, if a white man killed an Indian, and Indian killed the next white man that came through, and that's what Jacob happened? He spent most of his life their language and all of them to make friends with him, to say that the monies want to be friends and put settle into peaceful together. So I think it was more the background. Mother had that background, and she had a great affinity. She was almost one of them. I mean, she when she was helping them, she she knew what they needed, and she was very good about the way she handled them and her friendship and talent. Hope. And I don't think, I think Morris met calling in some of her children through mother at our place, but I don't think as a child, that's what I'm trying to say, that we had too much to do. 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Going to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1479.0,1485.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the school we were very much aware","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1486.0,1489.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: another area that most part of most legislative legacy, in addition to Native Americans, which a lot of our researchers who. Comes through his papers for are his long, long emphasis on environmental issues. And this is something that started very early on in his career in Congress, and it persisted all the way to the time that he retired from Congress. And I want to sort of almost ask you the same the same question again, I am we know Moe's record on the environment and all the different things that he did. And where is this coming from? This tremendous interest that he had in the protection of the environment, and Stuart had it also the record that Stuart established, both in commerce and a Secretary of the Interior, both of them were very oriented toward environmental issues. Is that? Where is that coming from? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1490.0,1539.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I think it comes from the very beginning. We live very close to nature. I mean, here these kids, they had to go out and turn the water coming down out of the dam, and if it was a dry year, why you didn't get very much. And all this agriculture, everything across time, was very marginal. But that's where they come. We went. They went up. They they wandered all over. I mean, they nature was part of and, and I think we used to have history like sit there and look at the stars out on the lie outside on the grass, look at all the stars. And I don't think they ever thought, shall I or SHAN I think? And I think that mom and dad weren't very I mean, you have to work with major duty system. We were that close to it. And it's interesting I remember anything, but the whatever you had, if you grew the corn and all this, it got paid to the chickens or what have you. And at the end, we had big gun sacks on the back of the garage. And what went into those guns sacks were tin cans, and that's what we took away from the house. The ashes went outside into the file. I mean, we were","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1540.0,1628.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: living, you were recycling early on,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1629.0,1630.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: without even thinking about it. I mean, everything was used. And I think I remember with mother visiting Pella, and they had a, oh, I have to tell you this Helen. Helen's husband, Emory. They live 12 miles out of a ride. And I there was a long road out there, and you drove out, and then you went to a wash where they had the garden. And as we were getting close to it, I heard a radio, and as we got up to the house, I said to Emory, what's that radio said? Elmo, every morning, before the sun comes up, I go down to the garden with my trans sister, the Rock and Roll station in Flagstaff. Every night I go down and turn it off. Haven't seen a crow all summer. And so we were there with them, and we went out and picked the corn, and they planted some big bunches. And he would take the outside stock, take the whole stock, and we went up and he would, chuck it and all and take the fat off the towel, and he would sit there by the fire and turn them the ears. And then they were doing muffin. And then the next morning, I thought I went out there, kind of digging the ashes, and I said, Look, what's she doing? She was getting the lie makes so. And you see, not just our generation, but the pioneers, our parents, pioneers, as well as their grandparents, they had to do all that my mother made, so they had to work with all the stuff. And that's why, in some ways, why, I don't think the closeness to the land. I think we were in the 19th","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1631.0,1743.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: there was a quote, and I don't remember the exact context, maybe a letter, maybe a speech, maybe a sermon David King made, but there was a quote attributed to him. I'll see if I can remember it. I think it's interesting and pertaining to what we've been talking about. But your grandfather said one time, be good to the land. It is holy, it is sustenance. And in conjunction with that, I'll introduce a personal thing, because I think it bears some bearing on this. When I was living in Butte, Montana, a few years back, my wife and I were renting an old ranch house on a large ranch that was owned by the stake president for the Mormon Church in and around Butte, Montana. He was a delightful gentleman. He was in his early 80s. And, you know, we rented an old 1890s cabin from him for $50 a month while we were working there. Kids were real little and everything. And he and I used to walk the land together, you know, I had free time and stuff, you know. And it was. In the foothills of the Continental Divide outside Butte. He ran, not a big he had maybe 1000 acres. He ran some cattle, and he was going to quasi retired. Went on a mission when he was in his 80s. But he we were walking one day, you know. And we were sort of commenting, you know, we saw a deer run by. And, you know, I was commenting how beautiful the land was, you know, and what a wonderful ranch this was you had. And he turned to me and he said, This isn't mine. I sort of was taken back for just for a second, you know, yeah. And they said, you know, Peter, it's my ranch. I'm here for a while, but I'm just a steward. And that comment that he made to me, this would have been, oh, in late 70s, struck me because it was very similar to what your grandfather said, many, many, many, many years, years before. And I think some of it may stem, as you said, from pioneers with Mormon or non Mormon, but there was a much more close. There was a closeness to the land and a dependence on the land, dependence. And very interesting in 1967 you were still working in the State Department. I'm not sure where you were stationed at 67 but it's an important year in Mo's life, because it's the year that mo made a speech at the Sunday evening forum in Tucson. I was on home, believe I was there, in which he broke with President Johnson on support of the Vietnam War at the same time, Stewart's in the cabinet, that's right. And being an aficionado political cartoons over the years, I have most of the cartoons that came out of the star and the Republic at the time, which were very amusing. I think mo laughed at him too. And I don't know if, I don't know how Stewart did there was one cartoon that showed mo on the telephone that had Stewart sitting a little desk called the White House. Was there. With Lyndon Johnson, you know, keep your brother under control or something. Did mo talk with you about that you were at the speech? I didn't realize that Elmo I was,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1744.0,1908.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I was on homeland, and yes, he called mother and said, I'm making a speech. I think he kind of Vietnam, and he's breaking the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1909.0,1927.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: interesting reaction it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1928.0,1928.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: is to this day, and it's one of the speeches we have on our worldwide website, and one of the things in most papers are all the letters He received in response to that speech, and his staff categorized those letters. And first of all, it was the ones from Arizona, the ones from other states and the ones from overseas. And then within each of those categories, they had the pro letters and the con letters in reaction to most speech.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1929.0,1957.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Addison stack up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1958.0,1958.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: It's fairly even. But what's interesting about it is it's a group of it's really, it's categorized what we call constituent correspondence. But it was really response to this speech he made, and attitudes were beginning to change the country. It's a very important part of the collection, in my way of mine, because it,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1959.0,1975.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well, it was early, it was early to break, and the letters give you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1976.0,1977.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: a real interesting cross section of what people in the country were thinking about. And was about in response, Mo made the speech, and this was in response to that some of the interesting he got letters from servicemen were in Vietnam. Oh, yeah, and he got letters from parents who had the kids over there. And there was an extraordinary response to that speech. And Mo was really one of the first major democratic congressmen to break with President Johnson. Others followed suit afterwards, but I didn't realize that you were, you were at the speech. How was the speech received when it was made?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=1978.0,2007.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I do remember, I I think that overall, people were kind of surprised, you know, that you would say that and and it was, I think it was not immediate response or anything, but I think it's a little bit to sort of settle into what he'd actually said. But I think at the University of Arizona forum, I think he was smart to pick that because I think basically in Tucson, if they were friendly to him, whether they were friendly to the idea or not, and Stewart will speak for himself, but I think Stuart was probably leaning that way too, that being a member of the cabinet and Johnson and all he he was kind of put on the spot. But I don't think it caused any rift between and one of I don't know what is in that speech here, that when they were you Peters, and when the Nixon and visitor were bombing Cambodia, all that Mara said, he said it reminds him of his old law school who used to hand your papers back and say you're where you're now you're whereas is don't square with your now. 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When, when, as after the presidential race, you know, Mo continued his career shortly after, the chairman of the interior committee, um, Committee. He made, you know, an announcement that he had, you know, he'd been diagnosed with with Parkinson's. How'd the family handle this? Was it? Was it something that just you knew of it now, and you just sort of hoped for the best, and,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=2224.0,2257.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: well, it was pretty, pretty rough. You rough. I mean, to have it active again. 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And one of the theories was that if you had a high fever when you were young later on, it could come out. And they were both in that 19 819, 19 19 epidemic fatalities and Mars, they begin with a kind of zeroed in his spinal giant that that might but I don't know he put up such a good vibe that it was so terrible, that it came so hard. He had a terrible pain. And now my sister had it times the dime, and then Addison, our cousin, and he is the son of my other sister, so it's more scary for the risk I was, in a way, now than we had thought at the time. But I think maybe it was part of his determination that he was going to carry on, and it wasn't any difference. Unfortunately, he put me on the list to get all the information about it. So you can start to follow along with it. 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The, you know, those of us who followed his, his his career today, when I was in 1976 When Mo was running for president, I was in graduate school at University of Georgia, and I was, I was a campaign worker for both, you know, they didn't have a big effort in Georgia, because, obviously, with Jimmy Carter's on the date, but we had a few rallies, and we didn't nearly get as many big as big a crowd as Jimmy Carter did, because Jimmy was a very popular governor in Georgia. He was a good governor, but it was I little thought then that, you know, a decade and a half later, it would be the very, very touched with the fact of how strong","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=2375.0,2435.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and how loyal his supporters were before and after. You know, even now, I think there's quite a camaraderie. 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And they're all going to Washington this summer for varying from one to three months, varying times. And two of them are interning at the White House. Are you all interns at the White House? I believe two of them are going to be in John McCain's office, and I think one in Congressman pastors office, and I think one is in John Kyle's office. And it was a very exciting get together this first group. And there are these scholarships, and there's going to be fellowships along them. This is the first the bill that Congress passed set up with you all scholarship funds was the first thing. 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And I think you're correct, amongst many of the staff, his former staffers, who had mattered, people who even the people who worked on them, maybe on the presidential campaign, you know, there's a there's a camaraderie ship and a closeness, and as sort of as an observer, when I sit down and I listen to Terry Bracy, or a number of it, Mr. Burton, or a number of the other people in long associations, you know, it's, it's, there's a real camaraderie ship there, you know? And there's, there's also a sadness too, because of Moe's health situation, as it is now. And, well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=2517.0,2554.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: that's what gets me, is that he's not old. If it weren't for this, he'd be going strong. But he he said, he said, I'll never","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=2555.0,2573.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: and I guess strong heart, strong money, plus, it's love,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=2574.0,2582.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: have you had a chance to visit him hard?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=2583.0,2587.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, I like to think he knows they say that very much. I know everything. 25","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=2588.0,2606.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I had an uncle, and it was a time, for 15 years with it, and you weren't sure when you went to visit him. You'd like to think you know when you would talk to him, but in terms of that, but I think the legacy will live on for a long time. I think it was on him in many ways. And I think maybe we're sort of getting near an end and well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=2607.0,2627.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I want, I want to say one more thing, and his daughter yard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=2628.0,2641.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And she said, Well, she said, not every","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=2642.0,2650.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: week. And then there's no question about that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=2651.0,2652.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: You can be sad for what that. It can't go on. But if you look and I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=2653.0,2658.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: got that indication when I was last week, when I was speaking with Senator Goldwater, you know, as a comment, I told you, Defender Goldwater said, Mo is the best damn conversation we ever had, you know. And I think you know that is a legacy that that will, will live on just I know, in closing, Imma, get any other, any other thoughts you wanted to share, or anything we may have not touched on that perhaps","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=2659.0,2685.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: one thing that I mean there, but I was always very impressed, compared to what's on now, but with the Arizona delegation, like Marlin, Goldwater road. They were all great friends. They fired each other, and they worked very closely together on what was Arizona, what was best for Arizona. It was not a political thing. They all worked together. 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We've moved away a little bit from some of that, I think,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341#t=2719.0,2723.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146520/file/270341/transcript/78718/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: you know, and when Arizona was small, I mean, my father knew everyone, and I used to think, well, when he gets mad, I'll get mad. But he never got mad, because he knew he was saying, what, why? 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