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Fennell, that's all right. So we'll start off with some basic questions. Real fast, real quick. Say your name, rank and branch. Okay.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=0.0,16.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: My name is Anthony G fannell. Tony Finnell, I retired a full colonel in the army. Actually, I retired out in civil affairs, but I spent much, or most of my career in engineers","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=17.0,34.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and also state any conflicts that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=35.0,39.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: you've been a part of. Well, the main one where I was directly involved was the Bosnian peacekeeping missions in the middle 1990s Okay, through I spent much of my time. I spent much of my time in reserve capacity. So I was in during Vietnam. I was in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=40.0,63.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I retired. Bosnia gave me qualifications, actually, here, okay, but I was involved in kind of a left handed way in Desert Storm in particular.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=64.0,80.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And why'd you go, Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=81.0,84.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: this was, I was a cadet in 64 quite a while ago. At that time, Vietnam was boiling up, and it became pretty apparent to all of us, able bodied males, one way or the other, we were going to see some military service. So I decided that rather than, rather than come in as enlisted, I prefer to come in as an officer throughout just like you're doing the same reason. So that's really what it was. Now at the school I didn't offer Navy ROTC, which is, which is what I wanted to do at the time, strictly army. So I said, Well, that's, that's the thing that they dealt with. I will play it again. I stayed in from 68 when I was commissioned to what","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=85.0,143.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: university?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=144.0,146.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I went to Commissioner Carnegie Mellon in Pittsburgh. It was long enough a building was called Carnegie Institute of Technology while I was there, or at least for about half of the time. And we have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=147.0,164.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: so you said you went through ROTC,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=165.0,167.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: right? I went through ROTC with Carnegie Mellon. Now that actually had a program where you picked your branch before you graduated, you could actually study either Signal Corps or Corps of Engineers in school during the advanced course your junior and senior years. So we knew our branch before we even got commissioned. Thank you. Yeah, but again, that was because of the status of maybe as an engineering school. Yeah, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=168.0,206.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: was there at any point? Did you think about enlisting at all before you went into ROTC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=207.0,211.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Anything? No, not really. I wanted to. I wanted to get an engineering degree. No question, that was number one on my list of priorities. Okay, so the real question was, what would happen after I graduated, and again, there was a very high probability that I would have either been drafted or, quite frankly, had I not gone through ROTC, I probably would have done some OCS thing with the Navy and got commissioned as an ensign with an engineering degree, I would have had a good chance. Now what you need to know is, back then, they were drafting kids out of graduate school, so you had privates with master's degrees in the army at that point. It's just the witness system work that was a little moving. So Gotcha.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=212.0,265.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And what was during your time in what would you say would be your most favorite job or project that you took part","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=266.0,273.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: in? No, no question the county commander, absolutely. Yeah, that is, it's, it's, it's, it was certainly a stepping stone to promotion, no question. But the ability to command and lead that member of people was, was really, I'll say it was a thrill, and it was, but it was really more of a responsibility than anything else, than. Team, and at that level, you're still close enough that you can have your hands on the troops, okay, brigade commander, that sort of thing. You're just pushing papers. And really, you don't, generally don't have that close of contact with actual boots on the ground. So I'd have to say that was my best, okay, that's gross. Yeah, that that was, that was its command is really the best job in the army, gives you, gives you a chance to use your skills to motivate and assist people and lead people. And again, the, in my opinion, at least the battalion level command is the best combination of really a level that you command, as well as being able to be hands on with the troops.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=274.0,368.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And was there a least favorite Java project?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=369.0,374.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh, I better think least favorite, I pretty well liked most everything I did. I ran afoul of a few senior officers that would make the least favorite that that probably was the negative experience really, every, every job that I had, I really, I really like to do somewhere a little dirtier and tougher than others, but I still won't say I dislike the job. So I'd have to say that any bad experiences I had would be directly related to a bad commander or senior, senior level supervisor, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=375.0,420.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: guess. And when you say following up with the senior officers, you say, what goes into that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=421.0,427.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What's that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=428.0,432.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Your least favorite? Yeah, was following up with Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=433.0,436.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It was just just having to work for bad commanders. And see. And there were, you know, there are plenty of good commanders. There were plenty of bad ones. Same holds true for today. There's a cross section. Given the amount of people that are in the army, you're going to get good ones and the bad ones really made a bad experience. That's all.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=437.0,460.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And how did you feel when you first got to your first","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=461.0,469.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: unit? I looked around and said, What in the hell is going on? Basically, fortunately, I had a very good platoon sergeant. My first assignment was platoon leader in a port construction company. I don't even know if they're still in lab. This is really a self contained port construction operation. We had divers. We have boats, mission, ways to go out and build gears and wars and ports. Okay, so something I had been prepared for or didn't know very much about. But like I say, had a good platoon sergeant. I had a great company first sergeant, and they really, really saw me through many of my duties. So I really have to lay credit to the senior enlisted for me as a junior lieutenant, getting to do things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=470.0,526.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And what was your mindset?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=527.0,533.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I guess at that age, I wanted to be the best US Army. So and I tried to put 110% effort into everything I did at the time, just to just to achieve that goal was to do, is to do my assignment to the best and even more than what was expected. So that's, that was what it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=534.0,562.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And did you take part in any extra training, such as, like schools or career courses or anything during your time here? Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=563.0,573.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: part of it is mandatory just to get promoted. There's, there's a very, I'm sure you're aware, there's a very structured program for your schooling, the basic course, the advanced course, commanded General Staff College. I did a little bit extra curricular. I did a chemical, chemical warfare course. When I was a battalion commander, I wanted to know. About that. And then as I got some more senior positions, I took some strategy courses. I did not take the War College, which for reservist was, was an absolute backbreaker, really, but I took part of it. I took some certain structured courses out of the war college. It was called, at the time, the pen strategy course, and essentially what it was is reading books on strategy for colonels and generals to prepare you for that sort of work.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=574.0,635.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And what were some of your thoughts and feelings during a deployment?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=636.0,645.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh, pretty, pretty, really, pretty standard. You're away from your family, so you missed that. You had a you had a job to do. So am I gonna am I gonna do it right? There was not a whole lot of danger involved. This was in the Balkans, and we were in there mostly as peacekeepers, rather than as war fighters. So again, there was still some residual, still some residual contact conflict going on. So I suppose there was some sort of a danger. But you really, you really feel that the main mission that we had was to try to reconstitute the government, the infrastructure the country, in some cases, the judicial system. Some of us even had some more mundane things. There was one, officer that reconstituted the Bosnian 4h that was her claim to fame. She's the mother of the Bosnian 4h so, so we had all sorts of tasks like that when we were over there, trying to keep the three sides apart and try to get the countries to work again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=646.0,722.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And for those who might not know, what is the Bosnian 4h","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=723.0,728.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: this is the country of Bosnia, okay? And four H's, I forget what the I forget what the H's stand for. But it's a group, essentially group for young kids that want to become farmers. Okay, you haven't heard of the 4h Okay. Again, it's a, it's an organization to teach young kids how to be, how to be farmers. So we had jobs as diverse as that over there. Another fellow was had to go into Sarajevo and reconstitute the natural gas distribution system because there were no no odorizers. Natural gas doesn't have a smell to it. The reason it smells is that they put something in there called mercantile that causes it to smell. If there's a leak, you can detect it. Well, that whole system had broken down, and something like 15 people were getting killed every month in explosions. And again, he went in there and repaired the machine there, we saw that it was repaired, and the number of deaths went to zero. So those are sort of things. Those are civil affair civil affairs functions more than, more than their functions. I was working with the mass civility army myself, trying to get them to trying to teach them how to work under a democracy. Remember, Bosnia and the Balkans were really part of a very authoritarian regime for many, many years, not quite a satellite of Russia, but but very similar dictatorship, basically, is what it was. Well, Yugoslavia was so when they become, when they became a democratic these, these military people, had to realize that they simply couldn't go and do anything they wanted with the publicly. They were responsible to the civilian leadership. A lot of them had a lot of trouble with that. Do quite a bit of work to sort of make that idea sinkhole.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=729.0,864.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I know you were still an engineer officer during this time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=865.0,866.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, no, I had switched when I was over there. I By the time I was over there, I had switched my branch to to civil affairs at that point, but I was serving in an engineering function at the time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=867.0,881.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And when did you switch your branch?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=882.0,888.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Maybe 9394","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=889.0,892.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I was over there in 95 I think something like that. And what was the reason for that? Again? Yeah, well, the again, I said much of my career was reserved, and in reserves, you really don't have your career managed for you. You have to manage it yourself. What I mean by that is that as you get promoted. You can be promoted out of the job. There only so many spots, particularly in the higher ranks within the system or within the proximity of where you live. So again, quite literally, you can get yourself promoted out of a job and out of active service if you if you're not careful. So that's what happened to that's what happened to me as I saw myself getting ready to be promoted to full colonel, I didn't see that many opportunities in the engineers, so I went over and just simply switched over to that branch that had a lot more opportunities for promotion. So so that that's that was, that was a big reason, but I found it very rewarding. We did. 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Quite a quite a few, actually, we going way, way back. We did some very early work in solar power for some of the quarters around Washington, DC, and this goes back to about 1980 we did some very early solar power work in 1980 but beyond that, Oh, we did a lot of work building schools, bridges, roads, air, not so much airfields, but schools, roads, bridges, clinics, that sort of thing in different areas. In Panama, in the South Pacific, over in Europe, a little bit again, in the Balkans helped build an aerial ventilary range with the Jordanian air force in Jordan. Two things I must have forgotten, but that's what, that's what comes to mind. And again, as reservists, we were stationed, of course, in the US. Our units were in cities in the US. So we do a lot of civic action projects in in cities, building ball fields for little league that kind of thing. 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It's simply revolved around what I said earlier, which is civic action projects. We built some housing, some homeless housing, kind of like Habitat for Humanities does today. Ball fields, cleared areas for parks, this kind of thing. But I can't think of any large project, large civic project that we did here in the States.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1099.0,1127.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And was there a time that you felt the most proud about something during your time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1128.0,1138.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I've got to say two things. First of all is I was involved in much of the engineer planning for Desert Storm, and we were actually planning it. Oh, I would say about 19. We started about 1982 you could see handwriting on the wall. The storm was in 91 so we were planning that, different iterations of it for eight years, maybe nine, and when it happened, it happened exactly the way we planned it. In other words, everything, everything we said we needed to do to make it work, we did, and it worked okay. So that that was, that was pretty important, really. I'm sure we saved a lot of lives, the others, really, at the end of my career, I went back and looked. At a lot of the younger offices that I had mentored. And basically, I think I counted about 10 full colonels, or, well, I guess you'd have to say it was after, after I retired, there were probably maybe 10 full colonels and two generals that I had mentored over the years. So, and I consider that quite an accomplishment. That's, that's, that's something to look for or look back for.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1139.0,1234.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And do you feel the things that you learned during your time of the service helped you on the civilian side? Oh, absolutely. If","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1235.0,1242.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so. How leadership? One word leadership, that's, that's what you learn, how to lead people, how to work people, how to motivate people. That's, that is probably the biggest thing. And people see that too. They see that. They'll see that in you as well. 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Yeah, matter of fact, many, many, many people. As recently as yesterday, I got a call from a sergeant that I worked with. We're we're very close. We've been to each other's weddings, children, birthdays, that sort of thing. He lives up in Phoenix, so we see each other quite a bit, but there are friendships that go back many years that I still for people that I still keep in touch with. So yeah, as a matter of fact, Jim, yeah, he was here a week ago Sunday. 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So I didn't, I didn't learn anything technically in the army that would help me with that, other than how to manage projects. And I should have mentioned that earlier too, project management was something that I brought from there as well, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1331.0,1372.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: that was mostly you were dealing with, like engines and stuff like that. Well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1373.0,1377.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: big furnaces, foundry, steel mills, that sort of thing. Okay? So that's, that's what a thermal system is, essentially, it's, it's processing metal, either heat treating it or melting it or doing something, yeah. So, like I said, that really, technically, that really didn't have much to do with anything that he did in the army. But again, the project management skills that I learned working on army projects were a big help. The people leadership skills that I learned were a big help as well. Those are the two big things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1378.0,1416.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And how was the transition from military did a civilian life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1417.0,1421.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, there really wasn't a transition. Because, remember, as a reservist, you really got to be proficient in two areas simultaneously. You've got to keep your military skills up, and you've got to keep your Well, you've got a civilian job that you're using for the bulk of your support. Okay, so the real transition, the real transition was when I retired in May of 99 now I've got my weekends free. What do I do? Okay, so it's a question of, how do I utilize all the free time that I have? You know, I had my civilian job, and I was very comfortable in that and progressing along in it. So essentially, what happened in retirement was there was a void, not so much a transition, but a void. I don't know if you quite understand that, but you've been doing this thing for 30 some years, and part of your life is that, and then all of a sudden that's gone well, what do you do with that void that was a real that was a real question. 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I'd hate like hell to have to keep up with, you know, 21 year old second lieutenants that wouldn't that won't work at all. But yes, I do miss not being in it. And if it were possible, I would go back. But obviously that's way behind me. Now I've been retired. What 25 years?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1512.0,1538.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And did you have anyone that you would consider as a mentor during your time? And if so, do you remember their name or rank?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1539.0,1549.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I've had a lot over the years. First one has got to be sergeant, first class, John Reynolds, my first platoon sergeant. Okay, he again. He got me through the first assignment, as I mentioned earlier, and he was a good one. He's a very good one. I'm very thankful that I had him, or, you know, at least a man like him. It worked very well as I was going up through the ranks. I have to say that probably the most influential would be general Baratz, Major General Max Baratz, okay, he at the end of his career, he was Chief of Army and service, so he helped me quite a lot with getting over a few rough spots here and there. So it always helps. You always need somebody like that. And again, that's what I tried to do with the junior officers as well. And again, as I said earlier, I think I succeeded in having quite a few of them ultimately getting to fairly high ranks.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1550.0,1616.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And if you can give some advice to a young person who would be considering to enlist. 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Oh, okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1634.0,1638.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: well, I would say, really, do your do your best? That's, that's pretty trite, I know, but we've got to think that through. It's, it's a good question. I've talked to a lot of kids that wanted to enlist. I asked enlisted people, and generally what, what I tell them is particularly as young as coming in at young private, stay physically fit, stay out of trouble, okay and understand in basic that don't take anything personal if the drill sergeant starts writing just testing you to turn you into a soldier. So those, those are sort of the advice, or the pieces of advice I give if I get to talking with with younger kids, younger than yourself, of course, at least be high school graduates.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1639.0,1695.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Maybe, what might you tell them? Like, if they were like getting to their first unit, so, like they completed basic everything. Oh, into there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1696.0,1703.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh, that's an easy thing. Listen to your NCOs. Listen, follow their advice. Learn from your NCOs. That would be, that would be the first piece of advice. Learn from them. Absorb their knowledge. You'll do well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1704.0,1727.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now this might tie in with some of the other questions, but you could give some advice to a young cadet now who's about to commission as an officer. 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So again, as far as you personally goes, Do your job okay as a young officer, do your job as you see fit. And again, listen to the more senior people. At being NCOs, as well as the senior officers, and learn from them, rather than think that you know everything that you don't, by the way, see. So that would be what I'd say. Again, very, very general stuff, I know, but each person has to interpret that as he sees fit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1740.0,1821.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Gotcha. So you mentioned having your platoon sergeant there, yes, in the very beginning. Helped you out quite a bit. 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You can see that I'm inexperienced, and we need to work together, and I'm going to lean on your experience for many situations, and I'll look to you to give me your honest and blunt opinion. If I'm screwing up, don't be afraid to tell me. Okay, now I may make a few decisions that you disagree with, but I will always listen to you, that's the thing. So don't, don't go in. Don't go in as the don't go in as the master. Go in as part of the team.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1843.0,1917.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And are there? Some things you wish you would have known beforehand, before you commissioned as a lieutenant?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1918.0,1930.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh, just again. It just goes back to experience. I I've got to think that first platoon had a lot of people coming back from Vietnam, so wish I would have known a little bit better about things like PTSD, this sort of thing really wasn't even called that back in the late 60s, so I guess I would've actually had a better handle on handling those sorts of problem, troops. That's probably what I did, worse, at least initially, until I until I saw what's going on.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1931.0,1974.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And how would you handle that if something like that came up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1975.0,1978.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, again, those with PTSD, you get them some some psychological counseling, which wasn't available. These guys were tended to run wild, so I had to handle them and deal with them and well myself and Sergeant Reynolds, we had to handle them. So there was really very little assistance back then today, there'd be much more available and more resources that we could do to resist them. And again, it's not that they were bad soldiers. They just sort of, how should I say it screwed out, I guess so. Yeah, I've got to think back. This is a long time now. This is what, 60 years now. 55 years. So yeah, that's what I'd say. Well, let me ask you, what are you looking for out of the out of the once you get commissioned, out of your career? You want to go to retirement. Do you want to go for your minimum obligation? Do you want to do hybrid like I did?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=1979.0,2047.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I thinking that I want to do active duty right now. I'm trying to compete for active duty. I'm thinking I'm just going to see how it goes. 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Just a regular Okay, regular","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2085.0,2092.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: commission. So you've got a minimum of four years then to. To do that, alright?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2093.0,2100.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And what branch Do you want to go into? 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So he actually did his basic at Benning, and spent two years again as an infantry officer, and then and was able to switch over.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2127.0,2139.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, so you can branch in detail for engineering, so you can choose, like, there's, like, a list of them that you can choose, and it just basically increases your chances of getting that branch. 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So like, if you're branch detailing, like infantry, you'd be doing that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2166.0,2171.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I believe, throughout your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2172.0,2173.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: like, Lieutenant time, yes, and once you get to captain, then you would go,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2174.0,2176.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: then you go to some of the branches. Okay, so it seems okay. So it's a little more, it's a little longer, because essentially, the branch detail is two years, and you're not going to be captain in two years, not, not these days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2177.0,2188.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Or it might, it might just be that two years then, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2189.0,2193.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: because that was, that was the time two years detailed to some combat branch, infantry, armor, of artillery, basically, I guess, with the three, and then you would go to another one of your choice. If that was your, that was your plan. So well, you'll, you'll have that, you'll have that choice, I guess, next year, to do. But again, I'm not, I'm certainly not unhappy that I stayed for longer than 20 years. Say I like, like what I was doing, and had few, again, had few unpleasantries, and again, it was mostly due to bad commanders. And now, of course, I look back at and all the benefits that I got are really allow me to lead a pretty comfortable life between the health benefits, the pensions gripes. Even, even going into say, Dairy Queen, I'd say, Do you have a military discount? Yeah, we do so, and you could probably get that too. You got an ID card, don't you? Yeah? Yeah. Do you take advantage of military discounts at all?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2194.0,2258.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I don't think I've done it yet,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2259.0,2263.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: but I probably should. Yeah, no, my experience is that in this town, because of the air base and that military presence, about a third of the places I go into will have something, but they don't always advertise it. You gotta ask. So that wouldn't be bashful to ask anywhere Ace Hardware, 10% for instance, that sort of thing. So and again, probably with your ID card, you get it now. So that's, again, there's a very tangible benefit for the service that well I put in and that you're going to put in so many, many good benefits. And that's that's essentially what I doubt when I said earlier, when I see these kids and they see that the head or something, and ask a few questions, that's what I'll tell them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2264.0,2314.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And how did you come about here to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2315.0,2318.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the BMW post? Oh, here. Yeah. Oh, it just, well, my brother in law was a member, and, you know, I started coming here with him. And, you know, after a few times, it was pretty obvious that I was among, I was among people like mine to my own, and I joined up. I'm a life member. I'm pretty active. I do. I serve on quite a few committees and do quite a bit of work for the post that's that's the the essence of why I came in. But he's the one that really introduced me to this particular post.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2319.0,2358.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: What kind of things you guys do here for lying veterans?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2359.0,2363.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, we have cadets interview us to start with, okay, but really the VFW sits on three legs. Number one is, it's a bar. And that may seem not important, but it is because, again, getting back to PTSD that I mentioned soldiers, men and women now that have that really are reluctant to go into a strange place or place where they won't know who the people are, people you see or you. Saw when you came in, just about every girl was some sort of veteran, and they're coming in to sit with veterans and be with veterans. So the bar is a bar, yeah, the beer is cheap, yeah. But it's also therapy, because you can come in and be amongst people that won't count on you for the way you are, the things you do. Okay? So that's number one. Number two is, it's, it's a social club. We we have parties. We have Halloween parties and Fourth of July cookouts and Cinco de Mayo last night. Okay, there were about 80 people here, I guess, from my from my account, so, so we do that as a social club. But maybe more importantly, we're a service organization. We were helping building a garden, for instance, over at a veterans complex, by the by the Air Base, we get people coming in, veterans coming in off the street, that are in need of some assistance. So we'll give them maybe a $50 gas card if somebody's running through town and they're flat on their luck and they need some money. The post that's a charity that buys food for several veterans complexes around here. So it gives many 10s of 1000s of dollars in food, mostly to certain veterans organizations around Tucson and around Pima COVID. And we just gave $500 to high school JROTC program down in Vail so that they could go to the National Shooting championships. So that's the sort of things that we that we do, pretty much veteran centric in some way or another. It relates to veterans, both from individual needs, such as, again, those people that came in off the street, that that needs some money, or there's a there's a widow. This is very common, a widow that needs this once, when there's something, we'll do that for to again, providing food to some of the larger organizations. So, so that's really what it's all about. Again, I try to focus on the sort of service end of it. I'm very, very active there. We, matter of fact, we have a poppy sale this Memorial Day. It's not a sale, but we're going to stand out in front of several grocery stores, several fry stores, and hand out poppies. We'll get some donations, and that helps, of course, our relief efforts. But we're trying to make the community aware that, yes, there are veterans here. We're visible. So that's one.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2364.0,2573.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: Yeah, this time real quick. Make sure don't let you run out of gas. Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2574.0,2578.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So yeah, we'll go ahead","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2579.0,2580.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: and wrap it up. It","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2581.0,2582.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: was a pleasure. I hope I answered all your questions.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2583.0,2587.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, again, I appreciate you coming out and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2588.0,2590.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: doing this right. Well, this is part of the service. Thing that I said earlier that we do. So this is, this is very important to us, that we can provide assistance like you need. So, okay, now again, your mechanical engineering, and then you're going to be commissioned and go directly to, probably directly to Fort Leonard Wood was basic, if, in fact, you're not detailed to another branch, okay? And then you get your first assignment. So I let it be exciting.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2591.0,2628.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Yeah, I'm excited for it. Yeah, it's got one more year, though. Yeah, well,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2629.0,2633.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it's what I said earlier. Don't put on air to be yourself. And everybody knows it anyway, young second present. They say, just be, be honest with you, man, and say, Hey, I'm here for you and you're here for me. That's, that's about the best advice I can offer. Let your let your skills and your, should I say it your ethics be your guide for the rest of it. That's, that's kind of all I can think of at the moment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2634.0,2670.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think we gotta","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725#t=2671.0,2671.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153663/file/282725/transcript/81682/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: have this. 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