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This is tape number 38 of the Morris K Udall Oral History Project. Good afternoon. It's Monday, October 18, 1999 and we are in the home of Cambridge, Massachusetts, home of Professor John Kenneth. Galbraith. My name is Julie ferdon, and I would like to welcome you, Professor Galbraith, to and thank you for your participation in this project.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1.0,23.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I'm delighted. I for the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=24.0,26.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: most part, I'll ask questions in chronological order, surely, let me just begin with some very, very brief sketches of biographical background. You were born on, as I understand, on October 15, 1908 that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=27.0,42.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: is right, long time ago. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=43.0,43.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: let's see belated Happy birthday. I guess. Thank you very much. That makes you 91 now I've just turned 91 congratulations. Where you were born in Canada,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=44.0,58.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: weren't you? I was born in southern Ontario. Okay, and where were you educated? Well, I was educated in Canada. I had my first degree in agriculture. I am the, I think, only member, the long term member of the Harvard faculty with a preliminary education in animal husbandry, and then I did further work at Berkeley, took my PhD there, and in later time, studied at Cambridge, England, as well as the constant study and indoctrination here at Harvard,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=59.0,104.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you, you were in Berkeley in the 30s. Is that correct?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=105.0,109.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I was in Berkeley from 1931 to 1934","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=110.0,114.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Berkeley now, I just have to ask, Berkeley now is has the reputation of being a hotbed of liberalism. Was it in the 30s?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=115.0,122.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh, absolutely. Berkeley. The students and graduate students at Berkeley, not the undergraduates, but the graduate students in the social sciences, were either socialists or communists. Nobody was so erratic as to suppose that the present, the current system, in the depths of the Great Depression, had any future being from Canada, I stood slightly apart from the more doctrinaire students, which probably helped me in later McCarthy days, but I shared the general view that there was no hope for capitalism.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=123.0,178.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: And did you go directly into teaching. From there you went directly into teaching. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=179.0,183.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: taught for a year at Berkeley, or more precisely, at Davis, which was then part of Berkeley. It was, that was my third year there. I was handsomely paid, at $1,800 a year, and then one day, got a telegram from Harvard offering me an instructorship at 2600 and a wonderful pay in those times. And I took it into the Dean because I intended to stay at Berkeley, but I thought that might get me an even greater increase in pay. And he looked at the telegram, reflected for a moment, and said, You're not worth that to us. Galbraith, take it. So my time at Berkeley came to an end.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=184.0,238.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Well, since then, you, in addition to teaching, you have published, what is it? At least 33 books. You've published at least 33 books. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=239.0,249.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: do a little writing every afternoon. I feel nervously disoriented, unless I do good. You even written a novel. Mostly, I don't think of anything. 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York Time price control. I was Deputy Administrator of the Office of Price Administration, in charge of price control, and that it, I might say, parenthetically, was my most was my major job of my lifetime, my you could raise a price in the Great Republic. You could lower a price in the Great Republic without my permission, but you couldn't raise a price. I started with a staff of seven and ended with some 15,000 I don't know exactly how many. My life in terms of power, has been downhill ever since.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=293.0,343.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: I don't think a lot of people would agree with you on that, but excuse me, your most recent book, published just this year, 1999 and entitled name dropping a wonderful title. In that book, you recount your impressions of a number of influential and great people that you've had the pleasure of meeting and working first hand with. We're here today to record your memories of someone who was not included in that book, Congressman Morris K Udall, and to a lesser extent, his brother, Stuart Udall in 1954 while you were, I believe teaching at Harvard, Stuart Udall was elected to Congress from Arizona. Did you know Stuart at all when he was in Congress? Oh, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=344.0,393.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: knew them both. Did you there's a certain distance between Washington and Cambridge, but I was then associated with fairly active democratic politics, including ADA Americans for democratic action, and that brought me into touch with both of the Udalls and I remember them in more or less equal terms. Mo I suppose I knew better than Stuart, but my recollection is virtually the same of both of them, two men that I admired very much, and with whom I became, I think it's fair to say, a good friend.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=394.0,445.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Do you recall when you first met Stuart? Not in the least? Okay, how about in in 1960 when John Fitzgerald Kennedy ran for president, you were, you were very much involved in his campaign, and Stuart led the Arizona delegation. He worked on the campaign, but also led the Arizona delegation the convention. Do you remember ever running, Crossing Paths during always starting","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=446.0,470.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: to cross paths during that time? But this was an intense time for me, because I was not only active in the campaign, but was carrying on my teaching at Harvard. So I encountered at one time or another the whole election community, but I have no strong recollection of it in a particular meeting with Stuart. 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I was on the public payroll of the National Defense Advisory Commission. We did the speech writing in a suite of rooms in the Commerce Department, and it never occurred to us that there was anything improper about it, things","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=517.0,540.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: have changed, haven't they? They pardon say, things have changed.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=541.0,545.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: The moral tone has become better. Yes, in some few matters,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=546.0,551.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: in in 1961 John Kennedy moved into the White House, and you left for India to become ambassador. Stuart Udall became Secretary of Interior, and that same year, 1961 Moe was elected to take his brother's place in the US Congress. Do you recall what what the economic and political climate was in 1961 when Moe was elected.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=552.0,582.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, this is an important matter. They in 1960 as late as 1960 we were still in the aftermath of the Roosevelt era and the Great Depression. It and with a much stronger liberal commitment than in the pre Roosevelt times, of course, or since. And so there was a large community of liberals of which the two brothers were very much a part, all of whom were in constant communication. 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Yeah, of a good looking, articulate intelligent liberal from the west.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=653.0,665.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Now, which one are you describing? Which one are you describing, Stuart or Morris, both of them. Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=666.0,673.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I think in those days probably I came. My recollection is that I came to know more better than Stewart, but on the other hand, Stewart and I were both In the Kennedy administration,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=674.0,691.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: what in 1963 after the assassination of President Kennedy, you returned to this country. And I believe returned. I was back before then. Oh, were you? 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Then, do you recall when he did that at all? Were you aware of it? Oh, very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=727.0,765.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: much. This was a very sad time. I regard Lyndon Johnson, and I'm as we talk about, to give a lecture at the LBJ Library on this as one of the great and perhaps underestimated presidents of the century. No man had a stronger no president had a stronger commitment to the American underclass, and along with that, did more about it. So as we look back on our consciousness of the poor and our consciousness of civil rights, it turns predominantly on Lyndon Johnson. It was these were his great initiatives, but his orientation was to domestic matters and not to foreign policy. He was subject to the to the advice of people who presumed to have a closer knowledge of foreign policy and military policy, and thus the Vietnam disaster, and eventually that became, for many of us, a dominant consideration. 1000s of young people were getting killed. It was an involvement that had no chance of success, an involvement that was irrelevant. The difference between a communist jungle and a communist village economy and a democratic or capitalist jungle and village economy is irrelevant, and along with others, I I made that a major issue and came into support of Gene McCarthy, who I might tell you, announced his candidacy. We here in the very room we're talking, oh, is that right? 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He was very he didn't leave me in any doubt that he was unhappy when I broke on the war he I was on a serving on a commission on poverty, and Johnson's reaction was to give me more time to teach at Harvard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=982.0,1012.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: The following year, in 1968 Mo, challenged the seniority system in Congress by running against Speaker of the House, John McCormick, and then the following year, he ran for majority leader against Hale Boggs. He lost, obviously, both times. Did you follow the leadership battles in the house at all? 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Scoop Jackson. In fact, I believe it was Jackson and then Mo and then Wallace after him, and then Carter. How did that happen in a traditionally liberal state, the in fact, the only state that McGovern won. 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I think there would somebody who was well established in the Senate had a greater visibility, but I think that, but I don't think that is the full explanation you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1533.0,1552.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: mentioned in your book that traditionally, the the leaders of our country have come from the East Coast or from New England, and it seems only in recent times that it's spread out more across the country. I wonder if that might have had something to do with but then, but then, the person who came on top was Jimmy Carter, governor of Georgia. 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What was your impression of Jimmy Carter, the man and the President?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1642.0,1651.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, Jimmy Carter was and is a very good citizen. And and a very good and a very committed figure in the presidency. He He suffered overwhelmingly from bad economic advice, which was orthodox in principle and disastrous and political effect. There was the deep notion that by high interest rates and a rigorous budget you could stop inflation, not realizing that that also meant unemployment and stagnant incomes, which was politically far worse. And Ronald Reagan came along with no knowledge of economics of any kind and improved on disastrous advice. 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I did have some discussion with Fritz Mondale and Stuart Eisenstadt, and may have made a speech or two, but I wasn't, in any sense, a major figure.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1759.0,1780.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: What kind of President do you think Mo Udall would have made? Oh,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1781.0,1783.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: he would have been excellent. 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But like many other people in Massachusetts, I leave the urgent issues of the interior to the Westerners.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1818.0,1840.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Do you remember staying in touch with Stuart at all? 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I shook hands warmly with him, and said, What a great thing it was to see you, mole.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1847.0,1877.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And he said,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1878.0,1879.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I quickly corrected myself.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1880.0,1885.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Moe was officially diagnosed with Parkinson's disease in 1979 but a number of people around him felt that he started to show the symptoms of the disease, maybe even as early as a campaign. Did you see anything of that sort? When did you become aware that he had","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1886.0,1902.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I'm not so sure, but I came, like everybody else, to be strongly and sadly aware that Moe was a sick man and that this very disabling disease was a poorly arranged end to his career. We I'm going to have to excuse myself very soon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1903.0,1931.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay, I have two two more questions. We talk a lot about most strengths. What were his greatest weaknesses?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1932.0,1943.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I never thought of any. I didn't he he had for me all the strengths of a first rate political leader, and that was why the on site of Parkinson's was so sad, because it was it afflicted somebody who otherwise had a great round of strengths.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1944.0,1973.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: What do you think? What do you think in the final analysis, will be Mo's legacy?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1974.0,1983.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, I wouldn't nail it down to any one. I would say that it was a that he was a first rate public figure who came up through the system with intelligence, integrity and a very strong reputation from the people who had who knew him best. I i Never, over all the years, heard a liberal make an adverse comment on more. I assume conservatives did, but I don't bother with them. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=1984.0,2025.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: imagine they did well. You've you've been quoted as saying, Nothing is as admirable in politics as a short memory. And I'd have to say your long memory has been extremely admirable. Thank you very much for your time today.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=2026.0,2038.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Thank you for coming. It's been wonderful to recall all these matters in the limited way a politician, a political figure, which I suppose I should call myself, in the limited way one recalls what one hopes not to remember","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292#t=2039.0,2062.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3179/collection_resources/146503/file/270292/transcript/78609/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: with that. Thank you very much. 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