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Who do you think you fucking with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=0.0,6.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: This is Trent Purdy. I'm sitting here with Neil Kite. It is february 11, 2026 and we're creating an oral history for the Downtown Performance Center collection to be housed in the University of Arizona Special Collections. Thanks for joining me tonight. Yeah, welcome. Thank you for welcoming into your house. So, can you tell me how you discovered and got involved in the Tucson underground music scene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=7.0,28.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: So,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=29.0,29.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I mean, I feel like, so, if I would be honest, I've always been in some element of the Tucson underground music scene, because Tucson always just had an underground music scene. It's not like it's not like bands here did particularly well, you know, like, like on my side of town, like I grew up, we were like mostly like Hessians and shit, so it was like it was like Hessians and skaters, so it was, you know, in both groups rode skateboards, you know, because it went from the 70s to the 80s into the 90s, so like we were just all like, for me, I was just like a long haired, mostly metal kid,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=30.0,64.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=65.0,65.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: and so like the bands there were just bands that were like playing in like this fucking like suburban desert neighborhood, which was all surrounded by desert, because all we did was hang out in the fucking desert, so the only museum anybody was playing live was in like somebody's bedroom or garage,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=66.0,80.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so what year do you consciously remember going out, going to shows, being involved?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=81.0,85.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: Like, I mean, I feel like we went to, like, maybe I went to, like, some big concerts first, and, like, some fairs and stuff, because you know, you just do music stuff back then, because I feel like it's music, like, music performance, is so much different now, because there's not as much of a draw for it anymore. Like, it's, I mean, people now don't realize it's like your attention is like always being drawn to something, like you always have something to do. But back in, like, the 70s and the 80s, you didn't fucking have a lot of shit to do, like, it's like you, and nobody really cared what you fucking did all day. Yeah, so like most of the time, like, yeah, no, if like music was just like, if you could go to like any show, no matter where it was, or any party you went, because it was just because it was just something, anything other than just not doing anything, or just standing around the desert, which is pretty much what we did. So we just had parties in the desert, and sometimes people would like plug in and play music and stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=86.0,147.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So that's what underage kids would do to go see live music, that wasn't,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=148.0,151.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: yeah, on my side of town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=152.0,152.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And what town? What side?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=153.0,153.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: North side? North","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=154.0,154.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 5: side. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=155.0,154.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: then, so, like, it wasn't till, like, maybe, like, I was 16 or so, maybe 1514 we started kind of coming downtown,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=155.0,162.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=163.0,162.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: because it started to come downtown meant like it like opened it up a bit because you had like the pink Cadillac and then you had like later on you had I was just talking about this place the other day the fine line that was ran by this guy Dick who was Dick but like, so you had like these like team, like sort of friendly punk clubs, kind of that you, that we kind of knew about, and then you would go to like Bentley's downtown, like she had like a little coffee house, and like people were standing around out there, you know, it was just like, and then there was the twin party houses, like, you know, there was just that documentary that was put out with like Chris Carlone and David, and those guys were like, there was like, there was a big, like, there was just like a big downtown music party scene,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=163.0,208.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=209.0,209.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: like people would play at people's houses and in people's backyards, and so about then was probably when I was down here almost all the time, I think, at that point.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=210.0,216.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So, were any of those clubs you mentioned, the Pink Cadillac, which I wasn't familiar with, was that like the only dedicated all ages club downtown?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=217.0,224.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: No, I don't think so. I mean, it was before Scrappies, yeah. So, but like, I don't think.. no, I think the fine line was that was all ages, and they would","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=225.0,231.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: have like punk punk shows and underground.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=232.0,233.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: No, I don't remember them. I mean, they might have had bands play there, but I don't really remember. I mostly stood around and sold drugs outside, I I didn't go inside too often, unless, like, I had a girlfriend that wanted to, like, go inside and, like, dance to something. Okay, and most of the time that was not very often, because I didn't have a girlfriend very often, so it just wasn't like a thing that happened. Most times, those girls weren't even into me, they just needed somebody to stand around with, and then eventually go inside and dance when like the cult came on the DJ or whatever, but around that time like Steve was like doing like Dodiac and stuff, and so like he was doing shows and started going there,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=234.0,270.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so you're going to Dodik, that was the all just club he started before the DJ, yeah, I mean","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=271.0,275.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: he had like the gallery, right, like so it's like he had the gallery and I mean I think like he just you'd have to ask Steve. I don't really remember. It's just like they started doing shows there, and people that I hung out with, because I used to hang out at this house called the Mad Japo House, that was like across from that Happiness Is Submission to God place, you know. And we were one of the people that spray painted the on it, yeah. Yeah, that's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=276.0,299.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Alice is on what Stone and Sixth, right? I think it's on like the North,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=300.0,302.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: yeah, yeah, it's like two","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=303.0,304.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: siders, Northwest corner,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=305.0,305.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: so right, Northwest, I think, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=306.0,312.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So you started going to, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=313.0,314.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: we, yeah, we, it was walkable, like it's like, and like a lot of times, like if you didn't have money for going to shows like most of the kids that I know didn't like have a lot of money, like most of the, you know, like it's like they did or didn't have jobs or whatever, punk rockers and rockers don't really, you know, it's like you know, usually work like kitchens and shit, so it's like I don't know people had like bills or whatever, like a lot of times you would just hang out outside because you could just hang out, you know, and like, and there would be like lots of cool people hanging out, and you could still catch the bands from outside, you know, because the doors would be like open and stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=315.0,347.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: And he did fairly regular shows there, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=348.0,351.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I saw I saw Fugazi there. I see, I see Bikini Kill there. I saw, like, a bunch of bands there. Yeah, I mean, because you would go pretty much all the time, and then when the DPC opened, it was like, a, it was, you know, like it was a big better thing. It was like, all sudden, it was like, you know, it was a bigger space, and it seemed like it was like I felt like maybe, like, sometimes the diet got pretty crowded, and like, it got kind of risky for Steve's art and stuff that was up on the wall,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=352.0,385.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so that that that venue was open. I was too young to go to shows there, I wasn't even aware about until I even started doing research for this project. So, um, can you describe that space? It seemed like it went, your diet, yeah, seem like it's, I mean, it's pretty","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=386.0,398.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: much to say, have you been to it's called, is it called Sold Solar Solar Culture? 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I mean, he made that place, he made a great gallery place, he did a good job, and then when he started doing shows there, like I mean, he managed to fucking really pack that place with some pretty good stuff. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=405.0,427.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it seemed like from the interviews I've done, I've read when he was talking about the history of the DTC, he seemed to talk about how that first venue was more of an art gallery centric, and he kind of had more of an artist crowded. 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I was actually like one of the things I was just talking about this recently is one of the first, like the one of the things I always hook on to, memory wise, about the gallery was somebody had put up Kurt Vonne gets like, what's what's the mud prayer, or whatever, you know that you know that it's like a born mud or whatever, you'll have to look it up, it's been a while, it's like it's about like it's just a, it's a prayer for this group, but whatever, I'm not gonna describe the whole book to you, you don't need to hear it, but you need to read it to become a better rounded person, consider it, if you may. Sorry, I got off track. 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Oh yeah, so it's like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=490.0,492.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I just remember it was just they put this huge, like I feel like it was like maybe on paper, and it was painted on with like mud colors, and it was the whole.. it was all it was all illustrated that one thing, and I remember I think I had just reread the book recently, and I remember just being struck with like how I was surprised that I was just seeing this just like up here on a wall, it didn't really meet like what I kind of like had gone to like underground galleries before, but it didn't really like, I don't know. It just seemed like it was just so friendly, I guess, is a way to say, like, it was just like it was like something where it was clearly like it was like just people that were around that were creating things, and it wasn't like it was just like, hey, can I put this up? It was sort of a hey, can I put this up kind of thing, and it had an impact, you know. So it was good, and that's sort of what I liked about it was pretty natural,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=493.0,541.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so it seemed. It appears to me that the, the ethos he had at the Dyke carried over the, to the DPC, whereas in all ages venue shows were cheap.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=542.0,551.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=552.0,551.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: um, no alcohol was like the big thing, right? Yeah, okay, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=552.0,555.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: yeah. There was like all kinds of cultures that were built around it, like you know, because like different groups would go for like different shows, but they would all mix just the same, because most of the time still people would have no place else to go, so they would just go hang out outside, but it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=556.0,570.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: must have been, I mean, a relatively small scene,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=571.0,574.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I don't, yeah, I guess I mean it's weird to think about like the differences in the scene now, like because it's like like I always blame, like, the death of, like, the Tucson music scene on, like, the orange sticker law. Here, you know, that was the, you know, the rule that kept landlords, like, were, like, to be held liable for noise complaints, right? Tenants, you know. And then, of course, they kept changing, like, the time frames for what you could do for how. Loud, and how late you said there was a lot more laws that were kind of like restricting all that stuff, but the Oren Sticker law basically like killed the house party scene, so but it was pretty, it was a pretty big scene, you know, and I feel like a lot of those people just kind of coalesced, like get down into like the Downtown Performance Center, or like, and then at that point people started to kind of age out in some cases, and they were going to see shows and bars and the like, because you know they were getting to be in their 20s or whatever.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=575.0,628.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So then that, that sticker law you're talking about, do you think that caused the demise of the two, the two houses that you were talking about? I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=629.0,635.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: don't know if that, you know, I don't remember if that had any impact on them at all. I thought they just kind of didn't want to do it. I have to remember, I can't remember. Watch the documentary just recently, you know. But I feel like most of the people that I knew that used to have house parties, like they just stopped after the orange sticker law, just got to be too much of a hassle. It was just too expensive. So I don't, and I don't remember. I just remember, like, after that, like, I mean, you were around, I think, when the house parties sort of, sort of died out, right? Like, because there was a few places, but not many.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=636.0,665.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, so this is kind of jumping forward, but after the DPC closed, I think I was 15. I discovered its last year was open, and it was like, you know, everything it was to everybody else. Yeah, this is this amazing godsend. I was from the Eastside Tucson, so it was like a tre to get at another car. Yeah, yeah, you know, East Side's far bum rides, yeah, bum rides from my brother or whatever. But after that closed, I remember house parties up at Spice House, yeah, which is like not too far from that happiness is submission from the God house, if I remember correctly, right. And I just remember that was like the place to go to see any band at the house is like condemned her and the black scene replay opened every show great","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=666.0,710.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: but think about how like that scene like it like I feel like a lot of things have played against the scene obviously like we were talking about the attention economy right like where it's like now, like you know, you have something to do all the time. Back when you didn't have something to do, so, but also, like, yeah, they just made it like literally impossible to have like a music scene unless it was like in a 21 and over club. Yeah, like there weren't that many all ages clubs, so the DPC, like, thank God, like Scrappies came around at around the same time to kind of like fill that hole. There are a few other places, but DPC did it for a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=711.0,746.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So, after Dodik, obviously the DPC, DPC came along, and that's where it seemed like the music scene shifted to. It's an outgrowth of vision, right? So you started going there from the very beginning.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=747.0,759.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I mean, I think, I mean, you sell to go, yeah, if you weren't going to a party and you couldn't afford to, like, go into a bar, weren't going to sneak into a bar, and you weren't, like, hang out at a friend's house, like, where else are you gonna go, you know, it's like, even if you didn't have money, you could at least stand outside, talk to people you haven't seen, because you know, you like finding people that were like you, that were like into, like, you know, like rock culture, or whatever. I mean, it's always weird talking about this stuff, because it's always like, remember, the community always tries to divide itself. It's like, it's like I'm an emo core, new core, something, something, whatever, somebody else wants to be like, I'm a no wave, whatever. They, you know, it's like always like some aficionado, but it's all basically just like basic rock and underground culture, you know, like it's like if you're into that kind of stuff, like if you want to talk to somebody about like William S. Burroughs or something like that, you're, you're probably not gonna fucking, you're not gonna get that, like, I don't know, at the fucking movie theater watching a Jim Carrey movie or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=760.0,821.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, yeah, she","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=822.0,822.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: couldn't afford that shit anymore.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=823.0,825.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So you're touching on this, and maybe we can expand upon this. So general impressions, thoughts about the scene that was gathering around the DPC, coalescing, perhaps.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=826.0,837.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I mean, I thought it was pretty good, like I mean, I felt like I'd seen some crazy shit happen there. There was, like, I mean, I'm sure other people gonna talk about, like, crash worship, who, like, would have, like, magnificent.. like, I wasn't even, like, I wasn't even into them. It was just the chaos that I like to go, but then, like, but then I even, after a while, like, just like, it would end up being, in some cases, too much for me, because you know they would have like giant flaming, like they would like cut like barrels in half and like roll them back and forth, there'd be flames shooting out of them, and they'd have like meat and like fruits and stuff hanging off of sticks, and they'd be banging big tribal drums and making huge noises, and like they would have like they had like a whole like retinue of people that like had like a culture that was built into them, like where they like were like performers with them, or like people would like rub up against you and shit while you were at the performance, like you would just like, and then like people would, you know, like teenagers on drugs or whatever, or you know, like me. It like early level adults, or would fucking just be overtaken and just do crazy shit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=838.0,905.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So, who would be the type of person I would attend a craft worship show? But it seems like it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=906.0,910.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: felt like it was like pretty much anybody, because if you didn't have anything else to do that night, and if it was the biggest event, like sort of for underground culture, of course, you would go there, like even the guys who like hated the DPC would go to a show if it was big enough for something like it was just sort of the way it was, because it was like one of the best places to go see a show, if not in many cases the best.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=911.0,935.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So it sounds like you would get like a mishmash of different subcultures, would that be like a typical show, would be like that, or it would just like a major big show, like Crash. I feel like I feel","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=936.0,946.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: like you'd have to ask Steve. I feel like a lot of times they would just, it would just be whoever was coming through on the same day, in some cases, because there were lots of little bands touring at the time, like that's the other big loss to Music culture, right? Like, it's like when you stop having like all of these like I don't know, like house parties or access for like young kids to like play music amongst other young kids, and perhaps like you know other peers or other musicians, you kind of lose like that kind of like constant growth and circulation of that, because that's what you saw back then, particularly in the underground scene, everybody was had bands and everybody wanted to fucking go on the road, you know, because that's what everybody wanted to do, because it was fucking fun, and so, like, yeah, I think they, I think Steve just fucking would just like throw like four bands together, sometimes it would just be like, like, I told you that fucking story about the racist band I was in, the accidentally racist band. Keep going, all right, man. Fucking, I fucking.. I was doing this stuff called.. I mean, I think back then we call it.. was like bedroom bands. It was like, if you didn't have like any real equipment whatsoever, like you just had like maybe like a little shitty guitar and like a little pig nose amp, and then like somebody would have like a keyboard, like a Casio keyboard, or whatever, and that's all you had, so you would just try to like make music with that, you'd record it to cassettes, you know, and you would sell it or share it to other people, that was, but like, fucking, we were into this, we were into the boredoms, like, really big, and I feel like my memory is wrong on this, because I'm trying to remember. I don't think it was actually the boredoms, but, um, so it's like, so we had formed, like, a pseudo-bedroom band that was called Roshima Dabisco, I think,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=947.0,1059.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: Hiroshima Nabisco, Hiroshima","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1060.0,1062.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Bisca, Hiroshima,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1063.0,1064.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: and it was like kind of like a fucking like, see, like for us it was like an homage because we fucking really loved it, because you know it was like this, like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1065.0,1073.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 6: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1074.0,1073.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: like it was just like the super spasmodic, like like aggressive, like fast, and then like quiet, and you know, just like that staccato kind of sound. Really loved it, and like, so, but we got like booked to play a show at the DPC with a Japanese band, who I believe was in that genre, may or may not have been the board of I kind of don't, I kind of don't remember, but like we got up on stage and we were playing, and the guys in the band were like wearing like kimonos and shit, we were doing it, and like, like I just looking at the Japanese guys against the wall, like looking at us watching us do this shit, like we just clearly like pretty fucking racist, like it's unintentionally so, but it's pretty fucking racist, like they're just like not like you could tell they don't get, they do not like what we're doing, and it dawns on me at that point that what we're doing is not really an homage, like it's not really, it's not, it's not good, I don't think so. I just like unplugged my shit and caught off the stage, like left. I think they like kept going for a while. Yeah, they kept going. That was the best practice like practice. It was over, like there was no more doing it anymore. Like, I just was just like I'm not doing, I quit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1074.0,1161.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1162.0,1162.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I feel like I quit two bands, the DPC. The second band I quit was I was in a band with Peter Catalina, back when he was still Splat, and Heath Heemsbergen and Jeff, and it was Los Rip Offs. It was like the Rip Offs first, and then it was Los Ripoffs, because I don't know, like the fucking Mummies guys formed a band called the Rip Offs about the same time, or some shit, and they were just like, we could have the name Little Buddy, because you know those guys are better than us, or whatever, I don't know, it just seemed weird, because I was, I never thought anybody would ever listen to. Us, anyways, I always think that shit's weird when somebody says that to you, and they're just like, well, you know, there's this really pit, there's this other band that's more famous than us, but you know, they might get mad, it's like, you really think anybody's gonna hear us, like, ever, like, yeah, other than, like, our girlfriends, so, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1163.0,1223.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: what was it like to play the DPC?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1224.0,1225.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: It was pretty great, like it's like I feel like you just like I don't feel like I mean Steve was pretty, Steve was pretty easy going, like it's like I mean it didn't always have sound, you know, like didn't always have like a PA that was always working that well, or you know, things, because I mean, he was just making do with what he got, but lots of, but I mean, feel like, yeah, I liked playing there, like it was a good place to play, like I think the only thing I didn't like about is the thing that I like about playing anywhere, because I don't like playing on a stage, like I like playing on the ground, so","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1226.0,1254.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: and Steve, Steve would book the shows, we see the main,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1255.0,1258.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I think, like sometimes it was him, and then sometimes it was like other people, like I don't know how like that works. I feel like I would talk to people who would like work the debt. I feel terrible. I can't remember anybody's names, but I'm sure I could if they were like right in front of me, and I'm sure I probably shouldn't anyways, because I don't want to tell any stories about anybody, just myself and my idiot band mates, it was easy to get a show, though. Yeah, I feel like Steve was pretty easy going, like I feel like there was, like, yeah, like I feel like he was pretty open to just about anybody. I mean, clearly, like we just told you about our weird racist Japanese fake band, like, of course, he was clearly open to, I saw, like, you'd see, like, all kinds of, like, types of bands could play there, you know? Like, it's weird, because it's like the skinheads always made such a fucking beef about that place, you know. But they could have bands play there too, if they wanted, like, it was just always one of those things where it was just like, I don't know, skinheads in this town were dumb sometimes. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1259.0,1319.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I'm assuming, did you guys get paid as a local band? 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I mean, we might have gotten paid if there was money at the door, but I think most of the time I feel like this has been a rule, the only rule that I've ever known is like, whoever the band that's on tour is, is the band that's gonna get the bulk of the money, because we need to make sure that, like, that they can get to the next place and eventually get home.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1324.0,1347.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, is it gonna run? Ruling though,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1348.0,1349.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: yeah, it's like, yeah, it's like, because, yeah, cuz it's like, I'm just gonna go home after this, you know, go to work tomorrow. It's like, but, like, if those guys, like, break down on the road or something, or they run out of gas, it's like, yeah, I gotta make sure that those guys take care of first, yeah. So, so I feel like maybe that was a thing back then too. I don't remember. I mean, I don't remember ever taking any money, so I feel like that's usually what it was.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1350.0,1369.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, how are the shows attended?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1370.0,1371.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: What's that,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1372.0,1372.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/78","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: your shows that you played? How were they attended?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1373.0,1374.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: Oh, I mean, I feel like, well, for us, like, I always felt like if I ever had a band that played, there was always who was ever else was playing there was always like dependent on like that was out with actually whether or not anybody was gonna go. I usually feel like that was the case. I don't remember. Yeah, I mean I feel like that's I'm trying to remember the fucking so the time that I that I quit the rip offs on stage, I feel like that was a pretty big set, but I'm trying to remember who we played with. I'd have to ask Sailor,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1375.0,1406.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1407.0,1407.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: But, uh, yeah, like I feel like I feel like it was usually like pretty good, like it's like even if there wasn't like a ton of people there wanting to see the band specifically, there were usually a pretty good number of people there anyways, so it didn't feel like soul crushing, you know, like you got to play even if there wasn't like a bunch of people in the room when you were playing, it didn't feel like, you know, it just felt like you were just hanging out with a bunch of friends,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1408.0,1434.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1435.0,1435.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: so it wasn't too bad,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1436.0,1436.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I'm trying to remember the layout","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1437.0,1439.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: of of the DTC, I remember you walk in as the big, the big stage, right, and there's like the big dance floor, quote unquote, but it changed over the years. He shifted the stage from wall to wall a few times. Okay, it shifted to like, let's see, so if you went in the door that was off of that stone right there, so if you went off the door that was off a stone at one point, the stage, yeah, it was the stage was at the left, the opposite, and then the right hand side, and then there was like a point in time where I think there was one in the middle, like I think he had one in the middle at some point as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1440.0,1475.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: See, I remember the stage, like I said, I went there the last year, the stage again, I think it was against a very north wall, yeah. 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So, obviously, you didn't sell alcohol there. No, and the shows were cheap and all ages and all that stuff.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1552.0,1559.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: Yeah, people would like drink and do drugs outside, yeah, like it would go around the corner or something, like, because you know, nobody wanted to get anybody in trouble, they, nobody wanted to get, like, Steve in trouble, especially","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1560.0,1569.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: caused a major rift with the neighborhood association, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1570.0,1572.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: probably, but they were gonna, they were gonna bitch anyways, they're gonna bitch anyways, like, it's like, you can never, it's like, you'll never be able to have that and not bother someone who will, it will worry them because of their, you know, their, their property rates, or whatever, who knows what, or just their, just their desire to control their neighbors. It's such a weird concept. Like, I live in this neighborhood, kids ride their dirt bikes down the road. Sometimes it's like, you know, it's like 12 midnight. Who gives a shit? Like, it's not my fucking business. Like, what's in the house is my business, I guess. What's in the yard is my business, but I guess, like, I don't know. Like, it's like my neighbor over there for a while, he borrowed my bass and an amplifier, and for like two years, he would just sit out there and play like two notes on that bass, you know? He would do it till like late at night, you know. What, that's fine. I don't care, like I don't understand, like why there always has to be somebody who's so interested in like what other people are doing that they can't sleep, or they can't get their shit together for it. Like, it's so weird to me. Like, it's like it's like you move in near the trains and you're bothered by the noise of trains. You move to the city and you're bothered by the noise of a city. It's like, what's wrong with your brain? It's like you knew it was gonna be that way. It's like you live downtown, like next to, like, you know, bars and nightclubs, and you know it's like, I don't know, you live in a city, like, just enjoy life, for crying out loud, let people have music, your freaks, fucking freaks, like it's like, it's like, imagine that, so weird, it's so weird now, like, imagine, like, if I was to complain about my neighbor two doors down having a party, but that's how everybody is now, that's so fucking weird, it's so much the opposite of how it was when I was a kid growing up in the 70s, like, even in my neighborhood that I grew up in, like, most of those guys were like ex-marines and shit. They had all come back from Vietnam. They all got those houses from their GI Bill, and that's Tucson back then. It's like it's like it's like the suburb built out in the fucking middle of nowhere, and it's like these guys are like mechanics, you know, and shit like that. But they got like enough money from the GI Bill to like buy a house, and that's where they live, and I forgot where I was going, so we kind of talked about this a little earlier, and you mentioned the skinheads specifically that would come down from Phoenix, or exist in the Tucson. What kind of divisions were you seeing amongst the different sub genres or sub groups, or whatever? I mean, I don't know, I feel like most people, because none of the scene was really that big. Mostly people, like, I mean, I feel you're gonna find that most people knew everybody back then to some capacity or another, or had like hung out or went to a show together at some, in some capacity with one another.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1573.0,1753.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So, you weren't seeing like the goss wouldn't hang out with the hardcore kids, or the hardcore kids wouldn't hang out with, like, the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1754.0,1758.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: no, like, no, like the big one. The big one would be like every so often, like some group of fucking tough boys, like it'll either.. it would either be jocks or it would be skinheads, which are basically the same fucking thing, really. Like, it's just, you know, skinheads are just guys who got bullied by Josh. They can't fucking get over","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1759.0,1780.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: it, I I would have put it able to play football too, if it wasn't from a fucking ankle. That's why Chris Stevens gets to beat me up after school. I'm gonna fucking take it out on the gay kid later if I shave my head.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1781.0,1799.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: Or whatever, I don't know, it's like I hung out the last game, okay?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1800.0,1802.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: So it's a small enough scene to where,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1803.0,1805.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: yeah, you knew everybody, you knew the skinheads, it's like it's not like when those guys rolled up, you didn't know who the fuck they were, it's like it was always so weird, because it was like it would come in like they were like some invading force sometimes, and you just be like, we already know who you are, dude. We just hung out with you yesterday. Like, there was that story I was telling you about those skinheads who, like, rolled up that one time at the DPC. You'll have to ask somebody, because I can't really try to tell the story very well without, like, giving anybody away. But the skinheads rolled up in, like, I think it was like a VW bug, you know, when they got up and they wanted to start shit, but it turned out the fucking whole like club was full and emptied out, and they like sort of beating the shit out of the skinheads. The skinheads like had to like scramble to get back in their car, and they had to like escape and drive away, like it's like, but then like sometimes it would be really bad stories too, like somebody pulled gun or something, but that wasn't like that shit wasn't Steve's fault, like that was just like a weird, just a weird culture thing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1806.0,1870.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: What show was that, that the skinhead rumble happened?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1871.0,1873.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I couldn't even tell.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1874.0,1874.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Okay, must have been a big one of his well attended.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1875.0,1877.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: Yeah, I mean, I feel like it was like it was, I feel like it was like maybe like I think they were thinking it was easy targets, so I think it was like probably like a rave or something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1878.0,1884.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 5: Okay,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1885.0,1885.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: because he would have like EDM stuff there, I think, as well, because I mean, you know, they didn't have a place to go either. So I think it was a pretty open place for people to play. Did he have art hanging inside? Yeah, I think so. Like, I think I remember people would put pieces up there because they, because you know, like, he would run out of space into dietary people, still wants to have their stuff posted, and I think he would put his masks up in there as well. 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Thank you very much for everything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1913.0,1919.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Any other memorable shows or experiences you have there,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1920.0,1923.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I mean, I remember, so like I do sort of remember, like I do remember Minor Threat being like one of the first bands, or not Minor Threat, Fugazi being one of the first bands that I saw","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1924.0,1933.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: at DPC,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1934.0,1934.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: Dodiac, like taking like taking like a stance on crowd behavior, you know, because it's like I'd come from like mostly like a metal and hardcore background, so like just the idea of like like a band policing the crowd just seems so strange to me, so foreign, because the bands are always just trying to get you to beat the shit out of each other otherwise, so it was such a weird thing to see like like a musician, give a shit about the people in the crowd, right? And that was like, and that's sort of memorable as being like a something that, like, I just sort of like never.. it never occurred to me that, like, oh yeah, we are all really just a bunch of people hanging out, they're not like, there's no real division here,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1935.0,1980.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, it seems like a lot of Ian Makai Fugazi Minor Threat, a lot of his ethos, and I'm gonna, I'm gonna interview Steve for this project to see it's very much aligned with what Steve did,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1981.0,1993.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: was trying to do, so be very curious to see, because I know Steve went to a lot of rug punches in Philadelphia, and I'm pretty sure he's, I'm not sure if he saw Minor, but obviously I'd be interested in the exchange of ideas he had, specifically with Ian Makai to see, because I know that a good relationship throughout all of Ghazi is existence. I think it's going to be pretty much in line for the most part. I mean, he, like, I mean, I feel like, I mean, like any scene, there's some conflict, like I seem to remember, like some individuals, some of whom you know, who I won't name, who you are probably interviewing anyways, and will probably at some point fucking issue their fucking gripe, starting somehow with I don't know why, Steve, blah blah blah, I mean, fucking, there's gonna be more than one, but that's gonna be one for sure, that's probably gonna have some, well, you know, a bur, there's gonna be that dude,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=1994.0,2038.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: we're interviewing women for this project, too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2039.0,2041.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: Yeah, but that dude, there's gonna be more than a few of those dudes. There's gonna be so many of those fucking guys, like, but Steve, like, really tried, like, really hard to be pretty, like, equitable to everybody and make it, like, available to everybody. I think that's, like, a pretty valuable ethic, and it's one that he held on to pretty good. Like, I feel like he really tried to make sure that it was like a safe space for everyone, like it's like I mean he's not perfect, I mean he was like in his 20s when that was going on, was he in his 30s yet? I'm trying to remember, like I think he's just in his mid 20s around that time, right? Because I think he's done with college or whatever, he's here in Tucson about Dodiac, so it's like he's like he's still a pretty young dude, man. It's like he's pretty responsible for all these people all of a sudden, and he does a pretty good job. Like, most folks don't really get hurt, you know. I don't remember there being too many bad things that occurred. I mean, yeah, like I don't remember there being that many fights. I mean, there were fights, but I remember there being that many fights. There, Steve was usually. Pretty good about taking care of that stuff,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2042.0,2100.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 6: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2101.0,2101.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: yeah, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2102.0,2101.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It went the time I, the few shows I attended, I remember some were huge, and it was crazy for me, because I've lived this shelter life on the east side of Tucson, coming down to crazy punk rock downtown Tucson, and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2102.0,2115.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: like, how far east side,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2116.0,2116.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: really far east, like probably, like, what's your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2117.0,2118.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: parents address, I an hour bus ride suntran","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2119.0,2124.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: ride sweet, so so which","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2125.0,2126.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: bus would I take? I remember","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2127.0,2127.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: being very, I was very surprised by how I wasn't seeing that's gonna be permanent","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2128.0,2134.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: too, that's gonna make it seem like I fucking appeared to threaten you to drive out to your parents house to I don't know what I was gonna do, probably steal some ornament from the front yard.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2135.0,2149.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Any memorable audience members of scenes, there's you want to talk about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2150.0,2153.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I mean, like, there was like, I told you that fucking story about seeing the Melvins there, right? Like, because I went on the Melvins there a few times. I love the Melvins. I remember I saw the Melvins, the Melvins, like I remember the Melvins were the first band that I like, like a first, like, like a close, like garage band, the first like non-stadium band I ever saw that fucking made me dizzy just by volume, and just being like, just thinking that was the fucking most amazing thing ever. Me and my friend John, oh, we're like super into the Melvins, and so we would always go catch them whenever they came to town.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2154.0,2187.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Was this.. this must have been","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2188.0,2189.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: early 90s, I'm assuming. Yeah, I'm guessing before they're on Houdini. Yeah, I don't know. 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I don't know if that's actually..","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2205.0,2207.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I don't know if that's actually the right, yeah, for that one. But I remember it was pretty funny, like I.. so I have like these blurred memories of Melvin's show, so I'm just gonna compact it all and pretend it's just one show. So I'm just gonna be really clear to the record, I'm just lying to you. My name is Neil, and I'm just fucking lying to you about stuff. It probably, I guarantee, it's probably mostly true that I'm lying, but so I.. so this one fucking Melvin show, I'm just gonna compile all together. So I remember I go, and it's like they just like start up like the fucking amps and everything, and I think it's just like the first feedback, you know, how sometimes when like you turn your amp on and sometimes it just comes in just too hot for some reason, and you just like just come in at like a full feedback, and I really just came in and I remember just kind of going like to the side, like I thought I was gonna fucking faint, like it was so loud, and I was playing shows, but and I don't remember, but there was the first time I think I'd ever like heard anything that loud at that point. I just wanted to just fucking think it was the most amazing thing. And then here's the second part of this story, which is probably from a different Melvin show, which is I'm pretty sure this is, I'm pretty sure this is Lenny Mental doing this, but it could just as easily be Terry, but I'm pretty sure it's Lenny. I hope you're interviewing Lenny. I need to reach","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2208.0,2288.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: out to him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2289.0,2288.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: Yeah, and you should be interviewing Terry as well. But I just, all I remember is the Melvins are playing in this dude in a jacket jumps up on stage, and there's not that many people there. It's like maybe like 15 people, so it's pretty spread out. And I think this is one of those times where Steve has the stage sort of in the middle of the big room, so it's sort of in the middle. So it's like we're on the side where, like, the library and entrance is watching the Melvins, and this guy fucking jumps up on stage and just stage dives arms flat out and just smacks like flat on his fucking face and arms and like it's like in the Melvin's like look at him then he'll stop playing there just like and then he gets up and he's like you know, devil, devil horns in the air, like sort of like after a bit of stumbling, and then he fucking did it again, like just fucking like flat face planted on the fucking pavement again, and I think he like started bleeding, like it's even where that being the case, so like, and then I'm going to like this mesh of the Melvin show, which is clearly three different memories, but I think this is like the first time like I see the Melvins down there, and I think it's Buzz O's talking to Steve, and I think maybe Bruce, I don't remember if Bruce is standing there really, but I'm pretty sure he might have been, and I walk up, and I'm just like, I just tell Buzz I was like, that's a great show, like, I really, you know, like, I really love what you're doing, like, it's like, it's just kind of, I think I still have long hair back then, so I'm just like, so I'm just like, I just like, you know, still trying to explain to him that, you know, it's like, I still love metal, and I love that you like are playing metal the way I love it to be played, and he like looks at me, and he's just like. Yeah, dude, you're totally the kind of guy we really want to love our music. Thanks, man. Thanks so much. And I just remember, like, just just to be like shattered, just like walk up to this guy and just told him how much like I fucking loved his music, and he just was just like, 'You fucking suck, dude. I don't fucking like you. And I just remember, I was just like, \"Wow, fuck that guy. You know, I still love them. I still fucking catch him all the time,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2289.0,2429.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: whenever I can. But fuck that dude, I'll fucking beat puzzle up. You put me fucking room with him, and nobody's around,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2430.0,2440.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so the DBC closed,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2441.0,2443.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: yeah, in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2444.0,2443.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: 95 I think the last day was august 1, 1995 What were your thoughts when it closed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2444.0,2450.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I mean, I was pretty disappointed, like it's like, I mean, so Bruce is doing La Luna Loku Cave or La Luna La Luna Loco","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2451.0,2461.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Cafe Cafe,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2462.0,2462.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: yeah. So it was calling,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2463.0,2463.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: so yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2464.0,2464.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: And he's doing that at the time, sort of like towards the tail end, so there is like sort of a place to play, and Bruce is trying to keep it alive over there, you know. This","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2465.0,2473.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: one concurrently,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2474.0,2475.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: yeah. I feel like it's like towards the end of the DPC, it's about the time that like Bruce is doing, you'll have to fucking ask Bruce, but I feel like that's sort of the same around the same time frame, because I think I'm in, I think I'm in the top set, then no, maybe in the Bob Fanting Trio, then, so yeah, I think it would have been, it would have been running about concurrently, I think about that, maybe the DPC wasn't doing shows really, maybe anymore, maybe every so often, but I feel like there was some time where they were still sort of like working in parallel, and then yeah, like, and I remember then you were just like, and then the then then Tim Sanborn opened that record store, remember, right across, yeah, sounded exactly, and that's so, yeah, so I guess, like, yeah, that's the last, so yeah, I got to, I got to beat somebody up in the DPC parking long after the DPC closed. I, I was the last one. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2476.0,2532.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: remember the Luna Loca Cafe being much, much smaller,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2533.0,2535.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: smaller, very small. Yeah, I think, and I think, I think Bruce, Bruce and his family lived there, they, Bruce. Oh, really? Yeah, I think Bruce's daughter.. maybe you have to ask Bruce this. I felt like somebody lived there. I know that what's his name from Hobart was living there for a while. Kind of feel terrible. I can't remember his name. If he ever hears this, it's","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2536.0,2554.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Brandon.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2555.0,2555.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: No, fuck Marty. Marty, yeah, Marty from Hobart was living there for a while. Sorry, Marty. Marty's still laughing. I don't know. I haven't talked to him like it's like it's like you're saying, like it's like if I'm apologizing to him, like I just want to be. It's like I just wanted to be clear, like it's like if he's hearing this as a living person, I'm apologizing to him as a living person, but but I'm definitely not apologizing to him as a dead person, like in that manner?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2556.0,2582.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: You get the spline in hands,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2583.0,2583.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: yeah. I don't know, whatever. I don't know, it's too much, too much effort. Marty lived there for a little while. How do you feel that","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2584.0,2589.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/155","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the DPC is closing affected the Tucson Musics scene?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2590.0,2592.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/156","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I mean, it was just like another pretty much just another nail in the coffin, like it was just like I feel like this is like it's weird, right? So, it's like I have, like, this mixed feeling about now versus then. So, now music is more available to anybody at any time, right? So, you have all these people who are making music at home, they're using home studios. I mean, now there's people using AI to make music, but there's no, like, it's like they have online communities, but there's no actual interaction, like there's no, they very rarely do analog, and then when they do do analog, the items that they see are like super overproduced, because it's so easy to overproduce whatever you're doing, that right, you can have like your stage lighting and everything's all set up perfect from a, but it's, it feels like there's just this total detachment from like kids being able to just like go hang out with a bunch of other kids and play like rock and roll. I think that's why those kind of communities still kind of thrive in like countries where like, like they don't have quite the same level of wealth for the technology still, but I think even that's fading now, and I don't know if it's like a good thing or a bad thing, but I would say that, like, there's definitely something to be said about when venues that were all ages and the like started really shutting down, and people weren't really allowed to play at other people's houses anymore, and people weren't really allowed to have parties anymore, and things like that. I think that was pretty much, you'd say, that was probably the end of it, like, I mean, now you just kind of see, like, people are still touring, like, there's still people playing, but I don't know if it's got, like, the same draw as it used to. I don't know if people are still piling into shows like they were.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2593.0,2692.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2693.0,2693.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I mean, alcohol sales are down, I think, across the country,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2694.0,2696.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: right? Yeah, across the world. See, I'm trying to. I was 15, maybe 16.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2697.0,2702.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/160","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: Yeah, no,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2703.0,2703.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/161","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: it's about to turn 16, I think, when it closed. I don't know how you were, but that was only all I just placed 5054 It was only all really, and like you were talking about, there's shows at the Luna Loca, and then maybe some of the sound attic, and then there'd be the occasional one at the Spite Punk House, Spite's house, but there wasn't a centralized place for all ages kids to go see underground punk shows, whatever you want to call it. And so it was really, it was really hard, and I was like, what you were talking about, you had to really make your own fun, and there were often times where my dumb friends were just kind of sitting around on a Friday night, like I don't know what we're supposed to","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2704.0,2745.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/162","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: do. Well, so there's like a big thing, like it's like there's this gap, right, when you go from out of high school to college, or whatever, 18 to 21 there's that gap of time where you are an adult, but you're not allowed to drink or anything, and it's like, if you can't, like, that was a thing when they stole, like, house parties away, you kind of, like, lost that aspect of community. I mean, I guess maybe it's good, I don't know, like, it's like you would go to, like, people's houses and, like, drink, like, you know, you would have, like, your drinking experiences with your friends, you know, you're clearly underage, and you would be hanging out with people that were your age, and you know, and it's such a strange thing to think about, but it's like it was probably like, while it's probably not, I just think it's probably like it's the safest two years before you transition, because as you're 21 you're going into bars, like you're in a whole new world of like adulthood, and it's gonna come at you real fast. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2746.0,2803.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/163","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I just remember being really bummed because I would get flyers for like the makers playing, and like the weird love makers. Yeah, we would play a show at like Bear Port Lounge, which is the 21 and over, and it's like, okay, well, I'm 1617, this is the bands I would love to go see, and so you just totally shut out, and it was a total bummer. Yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2804.0,2819.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/164","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I mean, yeah, it's yeah, it's.. you don't get to do anything, but you're an adult, so it's like, even if, like, even if you're not drinking or whatever, you.. if you just want to go hang out with people and do something, you know, because you're in that time frame, you want to meet girls, you want to meet boys, you want to be whatever, you know, it's like, you want to just fucking. you want to go interact with somebody and not sit at home or do homework or do your shitty job or whatever, you want to go someplace, but you can't go to a bar, it's like that, like that's like a big part of like just being able to be to grow,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2820.0,2855.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/165","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2856.0,2856.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/166","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: like as a human being, yeah,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2857.0,2857.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/167","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: being exposed to different art and culture and opinions is, yeah, it was a real vacuum, and a boy left when it, at least for me, when it closed,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2858.0,2866.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/168","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: and it really is like it's like, regardless of what anybody may think, it's like so much safer than when kids hit Tony Wan and they hit the bars, because it's like you're dealing with people you know, I'm what, 55 you're dealing with people who are coming to those places that have been drinking their whole lives, that maybe not the best character.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2867.0,2883.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/169","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, I mean, I was really fortunate that Scrappy is opened up, I think, in 97 or nine. Yeah, so a teenager, so it was. And then Steve started in solo culture, and I think 99 or something. So there was life breathed into the Tucson bus scene again, but there was a couple years where it was,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2884.0,2899.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/170","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: I mean, they have hard, they have like groundworks, like up on the east side, but I feel like, I mean, I don't know, like, I feel like you're not, like, I feel like the city's so spread out, like, it's like, I don't know, I feel like maybe it's too spread out to sustain like separate cultures and scenes, but it's also too spread out to like be able to centralize one anymore. I could be wrong, though. Like, there could be like scenes that I'm just not aware of. It happens all the time, you know? You miss those things out. But yeah, DPC was fucking great. I drink outside a lot.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2900.0,2931.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/171","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Any closing","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2932.0,2933.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 4: thoughts? I think I said pretty much everything. Don't be accidentally racist, and you know, thanks, Buzzo.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2934.0,2942.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, thanks, Neil. Appreciate it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2943.0,2943.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Bye.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422#t=2944.0,2946.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/3707/collection_resources/170513/file/309422/transcript/95125/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/095/125/original/azu_ms858-001_a_transcript.vtt?1783370648","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/095/125/original/azu_ms858-001_a_transcript.vtt?1783370648"}]}]}]}