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Could you please introduce yourself and tell me a little bit about yourself, so like, where you grew up, your family, things like that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=0.0,9.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: My name is Sue. Susan Woody, but you can call me Sue. I was born in Iowa. My dad was a Lutheran pastor, so I lived in Iowa, then seven years in upper upper Upper Michigan, right on Lake, Lake Superior Canada was right across the way. And then we moved to central Illinois, approximately two hours south of Chicago. I was there for four years, then we moved to Milwaukee, which was my father's hometown, and he had a parish there. I went to high school there for four years, then went to River Forest, Illinois, which is right outside Chicago, and I was there for five five quarters. They did not do the semester system. They were trying a new system. And I was in one of the first years where you went for three quarters, you actually got a little bit more classes in, and not any more extra time off, but, but you were able to get a couple more classes in. And my during Christmas of my second year in in college, I came home and had a little dissertation with my father, and he said to me, he said, Well, what are you going to do if you don't go back to school? And I said, Well, I'll join the army. It just came out. And in hindsight, when I went to, I went to Milwaukee, Lutheran High School, you had to pick, you had to do, once a year a difference. We had different people come in and give you different discussions, and you could pick which ones you want. I always the first year, I knew I wanted to be a teacher. No doubt about it, I was going to be a teacher like one of my aunts. And so I decided I would go to the army and the police force. This is 1960 so remember this was pretty much not going to happen anyway, because I was a female, but the next year, I went to the Air Force and the fire department, and the next year I went to the army. And for the four years that I was there, and dad had asked me when I got ready to go to college. He said, Aren't you going to apply to more than just one college? And I said, No. I said, if I can't go to River Forest, if my grades aren't good enough for me to go to River Forest, then I'm not going to go to college. He said, What are you going to do? And I said, Oh, I'll go in the army. I mean, it just was one of those things out of your mouth. Didn't think about it. So anyway, then when we got this discussion on Christmas my sophomore year of college, he I said, Well, you know what, I'm going in the army. So the next day, which was Monday, the day after Christmas, he took me down to the recruiting station, and I took all the testing and the Air Force came over and tried to talk me into going into the Air Force. The Army recruiter tried to talk me into going back to college, get my last quarter in, and then come in through OCS as an officer, but I didn't want to come in as an officer, because I had realized that when we had this discussion, I had no marketable skills, and I suddenly, I thought to myself, You know what, I need to get a marketable skill in case, for some reason, I could no longer teach, or, you know, there were some changes that were going on in the teaching profession at that time. You know, you could not discipline a child. You could not this, you could not demand that. You know, you and and I thought, you know, I may not make it through that, because I don't tolerate a lot. A nonsense I never have. I that's just one of those things. So I said, No, I want, I want to go in and I want to go train as a stenographer, which, for those of you who may hear this and don't know what a stenographer is, it's like a court reporter, only you use your hands on a pencil to take notes, and you have to learn the entire alphabet, which is completely different. It's all figures and squiggles and things. And so they she got me, she got that for me, and I went into basic training because I had the education I already had. I went in as an e2 I was supposed to graduate as an e3 somehow or other people got everything confused. I ended up graduating as an e2 I went to school, STEM school, I had completed the necessary requirements of steno school in three months, and my instructor had wanted me to be sent to a position in Washington, DC, because that's where they have used a lot of stenographers, and he wanted me to go there would have been a I was the first female that they'd had that had actually graduated in the top of the class because there were only in my particular class. There were only three. Most of them are males, because they were being trained to be out in the field with the general taking the minutes and doing everything you didn't have this time, you didn't have recorders and and all of the types of machines that you now have today that you can take your minutes with. So anyway, I had I had passed everything. I was taking shorthand at 120 words a minute, and I was typing without air at 97 words a minute, but they wouldn't let me go. They said, No, we will not let her leave until school is over with one of the gals in my class who is a good friend of mine. I mean, we've gotten to be good friends at the school. Decided she wanted to come and see her parents, so she took off and was AWOL for five days when she came back. I mean, she had her necessary requirements to graduate, so they she didn't, I don't think she never even got an article 15. She just came back and we finished the course. Now we come to graduation. I'm still an e2 and I'm informed that they will not be, I will not be getting the promotion to e3 now, for no reason that anyone could come up with, because I should have been in e3 before I ever got school. But my girlfriend, who on a wall came out as an e3 it was always rather depressing. So anyway, by then, I was stationed at Oakley, California. I came there as an e2 they did not have a position for me as a steno because I had asked, I had asked for assignments either in Wisconsin. So I arrived in Oakland, California. They had one steno slot, and that was a civilian slot. So here they had this steno they don't know what to do with. They had a position in personnel. It was an e5 slot. I was still only in e2 and they went ahead, and because of my education and stuff, they put me in this e5 slot, which was morning reports. And morning reports was used to keep track of where everyone was at 24 hours a day. So every year, every day, we did a new morning report. I had seven sections that were underneath me. They had to fit and I went. One of them was run by an e6, two of them were e5, Is, three of them were e fours, and one was in a sub. In it, an e2 an e3 and here was me, the slowly, e2 now suddenly their boss and I went to the e6 and I said, Listen, I've never done this before, because they never, they gave you about a six second overview of morning reports during basic training, yeah, and that was it. You know, they didn't spend any time on it. So I said, I'm a quick learner. If you see me do anything wrong or that should be done a different way, please tell me. And he said, No problem. I'll we'll tell you. I said, Okay. So then, after I had been there about well, and then, of course, we went. We met with the seal of the wack detachment, and she said, I don't want to hear anybody ask for any promotions until you've been here six months, and we can identify whether we feel you're ready for promotion or not. I'm taking city coronavi, okay, by that time, I'll be ready to be an e4 and I'll first be getting to be an e3 and then so one of the fellows in personnel was going through my records and said, Why aren't you any three? I told him, and he said, so. He called the seal. She called me in. She said, Why didn't you tell me that? I said, because you made it very my father told me before I left home, you have got to learn to keep your mouth shut. He said, so for the first first year, just kind of go with the flow, and unless somebody does something to you that is harmful, you know? He said, otherwise, you just keep your mouth shut. Do what you're told. And so I told her that. I says that's what he told me. So like a good little preacher's kid, I said, Okay, I will keep my mouth shut. So then they I was promoted to ethree, and then four months later, I was promoted to e4 and then just before I left for Vietnam, I was promoted to e5 so that was kind of kind of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=10.0,748.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: interesting. So what can you tell me was a typical day, like while you were stationed at Oakland before your before you moved,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=749.0,757.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: there was nothing unusual about it. I mean, it was just like going into an office in the morning, doing your job, going home at night because of the position that I was. In general, I worked a little bit longer, but weekends were, you know, you went out, you had fun, whatever I I did, get a vehicle shortly after I got there, so that I would always be able to get where I wanted to go. I wouldn't have to rely on anybody else find myself stranded somewhere, you know? And I mean, these things happen. So I, that was my, my big investment while I was there. I got a I got a Ford, and I it was worth every penny of it","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=758.0,813.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: and from there. So what was that unit? Since that was your first unit coming out of boot camp, correct? So what was coming out of a it, coming out of a it, okay, so coming out of a it, which was, where did you do your ait again,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=814.0,829.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: stenography scenario, how to type. And I learned stenography. And where was that that was in Fort. Benjamin Harrison, Indiana.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=830.0,838.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Okay, so you did stenography, your ait in Indiana, and then from Indiana, you went to Oakland, yes. And what was your first unit that you were there with?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=839.0,846.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I was with the same unit we see at that time. The women were assigned to the WACC detachment, okay, you worked all over the base, but your your unit was always the wax attachment,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=847.0,860.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: okay? And what is, what did wax stand for? Anything? Yes,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=861.0,864.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Women's Army Corps stood for, we had our own officers. You had your Women's Army Corps officers. One of the things about being a an officer in the Women's Army Corps is, I think the highest rank that you could get at that time, and I could be wrong on this, because it's been many years since I did this, but I think the highest rank you could get was Colonel, and there was one of those. It. Okay, okay, so now in the nursing corps, that was different. The Nurse Corps was their own core. They were not part of the Women's Army Corps, even though they were basically female. Okay, okay, so and there were other female officers that were with other corps. They were not part of the Women's Army","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=865.0,931.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Corps, I see. So you were part of the Women's Army Corps, and you stayed with them throughout this time. Yes, so did you deploy anywhere with them as well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=932.0,940.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: No, your wax attachments never deployed. Well, I'm wrong on that, because when, when they sent women to Vietnam, they did establish a wax attachment in long been Vietnam and but it was not like you picked up a unit and everybody came individually. Okay, you might have, you might have known somebody, or maybe there were two or three you came from one unit or the other. You had to, you volunteered to go to Vietnam. You had to be over 21 and you had to have logistics or personnel, or some sort of medical corps, or, well, I said logistics in there, yeah. So those were the main positions that women held in","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=941.0,1009.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: Vietnam. I see, when did you get sent to Vietnam?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1010.0,1012.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I went in February of 1969","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1013.0,1017.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Okay, so shortly after your time in Oakland.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1018.0,1020.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Oh, yeah, I went. I was in Oakland for two and a half years. I was due to get out. Actually, I was at the end of my three year enlistment, and then I volunteered to go to Vietnam, and it was approved. And so instead of ETs in which getting out of the military. I went to, I extended for one year and went to Vietnam. Can you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1021.0,1046.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: tell me a little bit about that? What was that like","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1047.0,1051.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Vietnam? It was it was very interesting. What made you volunteer? It was different. Okay, I'd, I'd never been out of the country. I thought I would like to go out of the country. I had a skill, the sonography that was required over there. Oh, so and it's it, it was kind of like a challenge to me, you know, I wanted, I wanted to see, wanted to meet different people. And so it really didn't have a whole lot to do with being patriotic. I mean, you know as one, one says, you know, but and, and besides, I thought it I would be helpful in the in what I had. So I got there. Nobody knew where I was supposed to be going. We got we came in and, oh, I was going to say camera on me, but that was not it. We came in at Benoit, and seeing as I was the only female on the plane, and nobody knew where I was supposed to go except Saigon, that's all. It said on my records, they just immediately put me on this little bus that had wiring all around it, and shipped me off to Saigon. And a couple months later, one of the guys that was on the on the bus came into town, stopped in to see me, and we went and had a drink. And he was he told me that it couldn't have been 10 minutes after that bus left that they got strafed. And so everybody was down, and they could hear this. He could hear this little baby crying. And so he started to get up, and the guy next to him said no, and stay down. And he said, No. He said that you can't just leave that baby out there crying. He got up again, and Guy cold cocked him, and when he came to there. Is another fellow that had been on the plane with us was running across the field towards towards his child, and when he picked the child up, there was no more him and no more child. So, you know, they they talked a lot back here about us being baby killers. It said, Well, that wasn't exactly the way it was. I mean, you know, you had to be very careful, because they wired children, and they used them. They used them also. So one of the things when I came home from Vietnam, my dad was in a meeting, and my mother, when I came in, she said, You have to go over. Your dad wants to talk to you just as soon as you get here. So I went over to the Christian Center, and he finished his meeting, and he he said to me, you know, I've been counseling a couple of vets, and some of the things they tell me, I just can hardly understand. I want you to tell me if these are true. And he started rattling off a couple of stories and and all of them were true. I mean, they were all things that, if I hadn't, I wasn't a part of, but I knew from people who were parts of it, guys that were in those units, that these things were happening, and this is what happening. We never discussed my life, that that happened? You know, that one didn't really come into discussion,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1052.0,1304.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: right? So from the day of your arrival to then going to where you were supposed to be, what did that look like? What was your role during your time in Vietnam?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1305.0,1315.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: During my time in Vietnam, I was the secretary for general belts. And he was the j3 I was, I was assigned to Mac V headquarters, and this is what Mac V, his quarters look like. They called it the little Pentagon because it was basically set up the same way the Pentagon was set up. And the one of the things that a lot of people don't know is when you're in a j3 organization, that's that means it's a joint command. J stands for joint command. Three stands for operations. So general bounce was in charge of operations for the entire Vietnam command. Okay, we had 1212. 12 offices, all run by colonels that were that reported to him, anything that came to him. If it wasn't right, it went back to them. I sat there twiddling my thumbs. His major was very attentive, because he wanted to become Lieutenant Colonel, so he had coffee cups out and ready before I even knew him. I don't know how he knew they were coming, but, but anyway, so I did nothing. I mean, in general, bounce wrote his own letters to his own family. He did. I wrote, thank you, congratulations, letters to people who got various promotions. And there were some other things that that came out of his office directly. But it in November, I believe it was they just that. That was when the original, this is November, 69 the original drawdown of troops was going to start, and they needed someone to type everything. And I was the only person there that had the rank and the security clearance and the capability to type quickly. So I was sent to Hawaii to learn how to use mtst machine. This was state of the art at that time, and it stood about three feet high. It had seven inch reels on either side. It was connected to a Selectric typewriter. The selected typewriter had a little screen here that you could watch kind. Of but since I was a touch typist, I, you know, I really, I paid attention to what the paper came out on, and I would type, and it would record onto this reel, and then I came in at seven o'clock at night, and in the morning, at six o'clock, I would print out everything. I would give it to general bouts. I would go home. He would take it down the bunker. The generals from the entire country would come in, and they would all bits and pieces and stuff. I'd come back at seven o'clock and about to give it to me, I would go down into the bunker. I would then, I would then start this reel and let it type to this reel on the other side, until I came to a point where I had to stop and make a change. Then I would start this rail back up, take it to where I had made the change, stop it. Then connect the two reels again. This reel would go to this rail, and we go along until I got to the next spot. In some cases, I would type five or six pages because it was quicker than trying to go back and forth between and it was very nice. I use a lot of paper. I mean, it was because the only way I could see what was being typed for this reel was to watch the paper as it was coming out of the the typewriter, right?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1316.0,1610.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So was this supposed to kind of make your job more efficient? Is? Was the thought behind it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1611.0,1615.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Yeah, well, it did make, I mean, it was computers were just coming online, okay? I mean this, this was a state of the art computer, and nobody in country knew how to do anything if it jammed or anything like that, which is one of the reasons why they sent me to Hawaii for five days. I was there for nine because they, first they couldn't get me a flight in on time, then they couldn't get me a flight out. So unfortunately, I didn't have a whole lot of money with me, but there were a couple Air Force fellows that showed me around to the different areas. It it was, it was really interesting. That was, to me, the most exciting part, because I actually felt like I was doing something right. And they we went through all this work it took, I think it was about a week that until we had everything flush out the way it was supposed to be, and then they re escalated in January. So all that work just went right into","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1616.0,1701.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the garbage can. So when","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1702.0,1703.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: it re escalated, what efforts did you and the general have to take as since you were part of that team?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1704.0,1708.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: Well, to me, there was nothing. Because, I mean, the general, he knew who was coming in, and he would knew what areas needed. You know, they just shipped them to whatever areas they were supposed to go to. So I went back to sitting there and tapping my fingers and reading books and not really doing all that much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1709.0,1733.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: So did you find that the most challenging part while you were there? Yeah, boredom, yes. And how long were you there? How long was your time in Vietnam?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1734.0,1742.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I was actually there for a year, from February of 69 to February of 70 i i ETS at that time, and went to work for the GS 12, who was stationed in long been he was in charge of the groups that came into the country, and he his office was staffed by two individuals who who did that type of thing but could not write a sentence with a period, and so everything that came out of that office was typed just the way they wrote it, because the little Lebanese girls all knew how to type, but they didn't know English, right? So he wanted somebody in there, so it was a non appropriated fund flaw. Lot, not a GS slot, but a non appropriated fund. But I worked for him, and then in June, they decided to delete all the non appropriated fund slots, and he wanted me to come up to long then, because he had a position up there that he needed to fill. But I had had basically freedom in Saigon, and I didn't really want to go back to go somewhere that I was going to be surrounded by barbed wire all the time. And of course, the wax attachment was up there, so I'd have to behave really well. But and my grandparents had just celebrated their 50th wedding anniversary in February, and they were real, real disappointed when I couldn't come home for that. So I decided that maybe this was time to come back to the States. So that's what I did, was I came back to the States. I do have a couple of pictures here that from from Vietnam. This, this here shows individuals working on building a second floor onto Mac V headquarters.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1743.0,1888.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: And this was Mac V headquarters, that's correct headquarters. So this is Mac V,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1889.0,1897.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: yeah, and they, they would everything was done manually. I mean, there weren't any cranes to lift stuff up or that everything was dragged up by rope. And it was, it was amazing to watch them work. It was amazing to watch them work. I thought, Wow, just amazing. All the J units were in there.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1898.0,1928.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Oh, I see, okay. So all the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1929.0,1929.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: j1 was in there. J2 was security. I remember that because he was right next door to our office. His offices were there. You j6 was special ops. And I mean that that's where all their headquarters were located, in that building got it so just like the Pentagon, you know, the millet, the Army's here, and the Navy's there and and all that. So all the all the J units were there, the difference, and there is a difference when you're talking about, say, one unit, let's say the an infantry unit, an infantry unit. If it's an s3 that means it's within that, that infantry battalion, and everything's right there. Your j3 means it's all the military services working together in the same building. The for instance, j2 general was Air Force, and each one of the generals generally had two other generals who were working as their aides. So there were a number of generals in that building. Some of the other things I just want to show. These are pictures that of Saigon itself. They had, they had a little Zoo. And they had, you know, elephants and koala bears and all sorts of little things. And it was a very nice little zoo that, you know, you could walk around when I went to Vietnam, my my mother, I just thought it was a little spot here in the road, you know. And I had no idea how big Saigon was until I actually got there. And every time there was an explosion anywhere in the country, my mother was I got a quick letter from my mother, and one time I didn't write back fast enough, she called the Red Cross, and the Red Cross called me and said, Are you okay? I said, Yes, would you please get in touch with your mother? Okay? I did, of course. But anyway, this was a typical Vietnamese family. Me on their motorcycle going from spot to spot. This is a picture of","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=1930.0,2115.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I used I went to a beauty parlor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2116.0,2120.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I mean, I know you guys are sitting there thinking, Oh, geez, how. How simple do we have that here? But for the women out there, it was real interesting one, whoever was the owner of the salon, would hire people. The first position in the lowest position was pedicures. I had never had a pedicure in my life, and it was really quite nice. Then, as as you became as you've been there longer than you move up to the shampoo girl, and you sat in a chair, they came and they shampooed you while you were in this chair. If you needed to be cut, your haircut is in that chair. But when they would get done with the shampoo, then you would go into the back, and they had one seat where you laid back down, and they rinsed off your hair. Then you went back to that same chair that you'd been in before, and they would curl the hair. And then they would bring a dryer over to that chair, and it would dry your hair, and when you when that was done. Then they went and they got the owner of the beauty parlor, and she came and actually did the styling. Wow, yeah. And that was kind of interesting the first time that I came in there, because my hair was natural color. I didn't have, I had a little highlighters, but I didn't have have color and it was soft and it was brown, and she just went nuts over my hair. I she she was she was really cute. I really did enjoy her. One of the other things that we, we gals, did while we were over there is when we would go to to we almost all at one time or other during our tour, went to Hong Kong, and we would buy different colored wigs. And","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2121.0,2262.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: we would,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2263.0,2268.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: everybody would take turns wearing the wigs, I mean, right around the area, and then whoever had bought it, I mean, it was their way, you know, less but, but it was really funny. So my hair was every color under the sun at one time or another during during my tour there. I do think a very funny memory of my tour there was, I had just been there for a short period of time, and general bounce had just come. And when he would go down for his meetings, we would sit together, the the rest of us upstairs, major champagne. And he was, he was very, very funny. But anyway, we'd all sit around and tell jokes. And he was telling a joke one day, and it was really funny. And I threw my head back, and I saw major champagne size get really big, and all the guys are sitting there. They're looking like this. And I realized that I've lost my wig. Oh no, and none of them knew I wore one, because you could not tell that that was a wig. It was the same color as my hair. And all of a sudden, I hear this, this harm from the back of me, and I turned around, and the wig had landed right on top of general bounces boots as he was coming up from the the bunker down below after his meeting. And he just, I mean, that's when I knew this is a great man to work for. He's got a sense of humor. It really helps, you know, when you've got a sense of humor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2269.0,2384.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 3: So anyway, this is, this is my office. I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2385.0,2395.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: mean, it looks like any other office anywhere else. So. Is nothing unusual about","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2396.0,2401.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: it. And what was your rank during this time","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2402.0,2404.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I went, I was a five when I got there and a six when I left. Okay, when I read, when I got out of the military. Wow. So, as I have mentioned that the wax attachment was stationed up in Long Binh. And every year we would have","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2405.0,2426.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: the WACC birthday party. We would celebrate","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2427.0,2433.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: the formation of the Women's Army Corps and have a little cake. They usually choppered us up. Those of us from Saigon that were army and wanted to go up, they would chopper us up for for the event, and then back down. So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2434.0,2452.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: what would you say your time as a woman here was like, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2453.0,2462.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: I would say it was like being in the United States to me there, there was not a whole lot of difference. There were things that I did, did pay attention to if I was downtown and walking, and I noticed two or three Americans who were obviously inebriated or getting close to it, especially, or if there was just A large group, I would just quietly duck into the whatever store I was in front of. I would quietly duck into it and walk into the back. I did not want to have a problem. I did not want to cause problem. And I understand that. You know, when you're in a situation where you don't know what's happening tomorrow, a lot of things that you would never, ever in your life. Do you find yourself doing? And so I just avoided that situation. I never had any problems. Well, I did have one problem, but that was a friend of a friend, so I can't really count that, but, but, you know, it just was common sense. You had to keep your common sense about you. I did not drink for that purpose. Oh, I might have a drink or two, but, I mean, I never allowed myself to get drunk because I didn't want to be put into positions where I didn't want to get put into positions like that. Absolutely, I did my first out of general bounce. Had a meeting every four years. I mean, every quarter, every quarter was all the other generals, and they would go to different locations. This location happens to be Da Nang and the gently color guard behind me had never seen an American woman, and they're supposed to be paying attention. They're supposed to be at attention, but they're kind of if you look at their eyes, you can see all the eyes are looking this direction. Of course, I'm out of uniform because I don't have a hat on. But there were some things you get by in that type of situation that you wouldn't normally get by. And this one was when I was in the train, they have that beautiful and what they would do is they take the low Vietnamese photographers, they had a piece of cardboard, and they would take the top picture first, and then that would put the like the clouds there. Then they take the piece of cardboard, put it on top, then they take the bottom picture. And so these would blend, and it wouldn't over. You know, you wouldn't. What do you call it when you shoot the same,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2463.0,2673.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: it wouldn't. How beautiful.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2674.0,2678.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So, anyway, it then there. There are so many other stories I could tell you, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2679.0,2694.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: so now you said, After this, you then return back home. So what was life like coming back home?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2695.0,2703.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: It was interesting because I had been out for a year already, for six, six months. I came back as a civilian. I did not come back as a military, but they did let me because I was an unappropriated fund. They did let me get on the plane. I mean, they flew me back. It wasn't like I was a civilian. Had to pay my own way back. I was a government employee, and they they landed me in San Bernardino, instead of San Francisco, which is where all my clothes were at. So I spent about three days down there, until finally I was able to get reunited with my belongings. Then I came back to Milwaukee, to where my parents were living, and because of that, I missed all that mess that was going on in Oakland and San Francisco. So when I got home, I mean, I heard about it on the news, but","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2704.0,2777.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1: what was going on in that part of town. Oh, the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2778.0,2780.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2: spitting on you. You couldn't wear a uniform, you know, referring to you as baby killers and, and just nasty things, just nasty things, if you were in the military or and, and it didn't matter if you they had no idea whether you've been to Vietnam or not. You were all just you were all treated the same way. So when I got back to Milwaukee, I found out that a lot of individuals would wouldn't believe that I had been in the army. That was, that was the downside. Nobody can believe that I was in the army. Are you kidding me? You don't look like you were in the army. And I'd say, and what is a person in the army supposed to look like? Right? You know, I mean, it's, it's, it's like so many things you'll hear people say, Oh, well, you don't look like, well, you know, you're a criminal. What is a criminal supposed to look like, or you do, or you don't, or whatever, you know. So I just, I just got back into worked for Kelly girl and for six months, and got sick the end of the year and realized that I probably needed to have a permanent job, and was able to get a permanent job with a gentleman that had been was a JAG officer in Korea. He was a probate attorney, and it was a one go office, and I really enjoyed working for him, but he asked me his his first question was, are you going? Are you going to go back into the military? And I had to tell him, I didn't know. I said, you know, I'm not sure, because I've heard for four years that anyone who stayed in the military was a loser. They couldn't get a job on the outside this and that, you know, you ought to, how come you're not married? You ought to be married and have kids and have, you know, and and I said, But you know, I don't know. I said, I really enjoyed my military time. I enjoyed the traveling. And so I can't say one way or the other. And so he said, Well, will you promise two years? I said, Yes, and I did. I worked for him for two years. We got along marvelously. I did not have any problems, because nobody believed I'd been in the army, much less in Vietnam. So I didn't have any of those problems everybody else had. I attempted to get into one of the National Guard units, one of the reserve units in Milwaukee. Neither of them would have me because they didn't have any slots for females. So the day before I would have had to go back to basic training, I re enlisted, came back in as a four did recruiting in Milwaukee for what that would have been four years, four years, and then I got a request from Department of Defense, no from Department of the Army. What I like to be a criminal investigator. I. And I did not have the MP training, but they said I would get that when I got to Fort McClelland. And so then I I, I said, Sure, I'd like to do that. I'd like to try because remember, I had gone to police work for two years that I was at high school, you know, now here I was having the opportunity to become a criminal investigator. So I was, I went into Cid, and again, none of the fellows in Cid, in that office, I was at Fort Sill, Oklahoma, had ever worked with a female vet. Wow. So it was very interesting, but once they realized that I wasn't there, you know, to take anybody's place, I was there to do a job. I expected to do that job. I did not expect them to do it. And we got we got along famously. I really got along well. But, and then about the second year, all of a sudden, things started going a little well. Actually, while I was still in school, there were a couple of things I couldn't fire up. I could fire expert with a 45 but I couldn't fire the side of a barn with a 38 and that's what I was supposed to carry, and I couldn't run a mile, so I ended up running a mile, and I did, then become an investigator, and then things started happening, and I began to think I maybe was having an emotional breakdown. Maybe I'm in something over my head that I maybe shouldn't have gone to because suddenly I was having, well, I couldn't jump, you know, I could run, but I I couldn't jump over a gully. You know, how am I going to have my partner's back if I can't jump over the Gully? Generally, a criminal investigator showed up at the scene after the fact the MPs were there first and well, just like you know, modern Police Department, then your detectives come in. So there. But still it was really concerning me. And I had a crime scene that I had to go into in one of the barracks that had no steps. So they had them. They had this desk, the big, you know, the big steel desks that they had in the army, and they had a chair on top of it, like you had in college, where you rode on and there were three privates holding the the chair. I had stand up on the chair, and I had to reach up and pull myself through the hole in the ceiling, and I got almost all the way through, and everything went black. Now, I did not pass out. I just suddenly had no vision. And I continued to pull myself and got my knees up so that I was on the floor. And as soon as that happened, my vision came back. And so this was when I started to get really scared. I thought, okay, I cannot continue. And at that point, the gentleman who was in charge of our the evidence custodian from our chapter, from our office, retired and and, of course, you've got to realize here again, We're talking about things that are kind of transitioning this I think was probably 7719 77 at this time, and my captain called, or the major called me in and said, Sue. He said, I'm going to ask you a question, and it's not because you're a female. And I thought, oh, no, what's coming up here? He said, I would like you to take over the evidence room, because, you know, our man's retiring, and I need somebody in there who can follow the. Shane, who's good with paperwork. And he said, You're You're a stenographer, you're great with paperwork. And he said, you're actually the best qualified person I've got. And in the back of my mind, I was thinking, Oh, thank you Lord, because I no longer have to worry about covering my partner's back. But then I had a little episode, for I fell on glare ice, and they sent me. They sent me into the VA, into the hospital there with with that problem, and this one that I've been having with my eyes, and that's the intern there spent about five minutes with me, sent me up to the neurologist upstairs, and he spent approximately 40 minutes with me probably, and said, We're sending you To port Sam Houston, because we think you have neuro that your that your nerves, you have a neurological disease, a degenerative nerve disease. And you know, I know what that means. I know what the word degenerative is. I had, I had five quarters of college. I do crush and puzzles all the time. But I went there thinking, Okay, we're going to get this taken care of, and I'm going to come back because I want to make, I wanted to make Warrant Officer, which is the real thing that pushed me after I had those two little incidents, I said, I've got to get this cleared up, because I want to make one officer, and I'm not going to be able to do that until I can get these, this problem cleared up. And of course, at that time, if you were diagnosed with MS, you were immediately discharged. So that's what happened. Now I actually, I was out for 10 years. I was in for nine and a half the same month that I would have actually retired from the military. I started having to use a cane, so I probably but when I asked them, I said, Well, can't I stay in in some other position? He said, Well, the only thing we can offer you is cook and I said, or airplane parts logistics? And I said, Well, why can't I go in to personnel? And he said, Because you're a female and you have too much rank. So I ended up on both sides of the thing to try and even out the military. And bit me in the butt. So, but anyway, so that's I said I was medically retired out and I came back to, well, I didn't come back to I came to Arizona. I had really wanted to go to California, but I had friends living up in Prescott, and my folks knew they came out every summer because the banker in dad's hometown had a cabin. They had a trailer out here, so he always offered it to them every year. And they come, and they were very familiar with one of the churches here in town. Dad had preached there once or twice for them, and so they I came here, and one of the realtors in their church found me a place to stay, and I've been here ever since, that was 1978 September of 1978 so I've been here ever since, and because I I had my Disability from the army was $400 a month. And I did, do get into real estate a little bit, but because I didn't have a lot of money, I got involved in a lot of volunteer stuff, which is how I've ended up in many, many programs with the veteran community, with my church. When I was able, I was playing the organ for I'd learned play the organ as a child, as a young adult, you know, I did that type of thing for, for church, and. In just ended up in a lot of volunteer stuff, and now I'm having to kind of back down from that, because I can't get around quite as well anymore. Things things have gotten worse,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=2781.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: right? Well, thank you for all that you do, and it truly means a lot, and that your community has seen it. Can you tell me a little bit about this award that you have around your neck?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=60.0,59.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: It's, it's, we do a Hall of Fame program, and the requirements on it are what you did after you got out of the military. You need to be a veteran. I mean, you need to be a military veteran. And they submit your name, and you have new paperwork and that that you fill out, and if you're selected, then you're awarded dismantled, which is, I hope I've got, yeah, I've got it on the right way, and then on the back of it, it's numbered, so there's no one else has this number except for the person who it was given to. So it was, it was very much an honor. It was very much an honor. Well, your","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=60.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: acts don't go unnoticed. So thank you. What would be your biggest takeaway from your time, that you served, that you would say you still lean on today?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=61.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: Sorry, I have my Vietnamese necklace on here, but there we go, you know,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=61.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:0: I don't think,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=61.0,60.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: I think a lot, I had a very strong upbringing as a child, okay, And I think that that upbringing and my faith had a lot to do with how I perceived the military and how things occurred, and how I perceived the diagnosis of Multiple Sclerosis, which was going to impact me for the rest of my life and how I've dealt with that, I think the the camaraderie of veterans that I run into is probably, for me, the strongest thing that that's done because I didn't really need it for discipline. I really didn't need it for economic purposes. Um, I'm doing a lot of humming here, aren't I?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=61.0,62.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER  1:0: That's alright,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=63.0,62.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: but it's, yeah, I just think that's that's really the biggest thing that that I have from the military is the camaraderie that that we have to this day with with veterans. Yeah. I mean, you may run into somebody that has totally different, field, totally different years, totally different concepts, and yet, it's like you've known him forever, right, you know? And that's that would be my biggest takeaway from from everything","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=63.0,62.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: that's awesome, yeah, what a big, what a big sense of accomplishment to be part of something so big. Yeah, yeah. It really is. Looking back on your time and your experience thus far, would you change anything about what you what you were able to accomplish?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=63.0,63.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: I might I probably would have stayed in Vietnam longer than I did, because I did enjoy my time over there, both in the military and with the Vietnamese people themselves in Saigon. I think I probably might have stayed there a little bit longer. And I, even though I gave you the reason as to why I got out to see I think I probably still would have done that, because I would have wanted it to me, it would have been a challenge. You know, is this going to is this something I can accomplish? So","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=64.0,63.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: that would be, yeah, yeah. Well, I feel like you've spent time well spent there, and you made a lot of great connections, and you have beautiful pictures to show for it, yeah. Okay, I'd like to end. With what advice would you give someone today who's looking at potentially entering the military, or, like for myself in the audience, who will be commissioning?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=64.0,64.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: I think the thing, and I'd have to say, if I'm talking to a female, I would have to say, life isn't so much different than it was in the 60s. You have to use your common sense if it doesn't feel right, see if you can't just kind of walk in the nearest store. I do know that. I think, I think it was a big mistake to drop the Women's Army Corps because it did not give women somewhere to go when they were having problems with the superior. Okay. And because women still don't have the same upbringing before they leave home for the military as guys do, and so it there, and that you just you have to use common sense. You have to keep your eyes open, you have to keep your ears alert. And if there's a problem, you have to find somebody to go to. And if it's not somebody in the military that you feel you can trust, they have set up now things to to to help you so but so much is common sense. So much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=65.0,65.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 1  1:0: Thank you. Yeah, that's definitely a big piece of advice to take away. You know, don't overthink things. Just do what is right in front of you. That's usually the right answer, yeah, is there anything that you would like to add or for our viewers to know about you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817#t=66.0,66.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2980/collection_resources/153722/file/282817/transcript/81696/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"SPEAKER 2  1:0: Oh, I could probably go on for a couple hours. 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