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A trip through history as we experienced it, and remember it a trip through Living History. Professor H Chen, who was a veteran of a half century of Arizona journalism will be your guide. You will visit with some of the state's most important personalities and your neighbors who are my witnesses to history. Today's guests are astronaut Colonel Frank Borman former Tucson high football star and his coach, rollin t gridway.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=41.0,138.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Welcome to eyewitness to history. Today we have a very unusual program, the astronaut and the coach. The astronaut Frank Borman, the coach, rollin T Gridley, who was one of the most outstanding coaches on a high school level that state of Arizona has ever had. Grid, I want to begin with you. I recall that you were virtually glued to this TV set. And Colonel Borman was on the moon mission, because he had been a quarterback for you shortly after World War Two in the closing years. Tell me about your your feelings when you were watching the moon mission at that time?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=139.0,181.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I was very apprehensive for one thing. We happen to be in California, visiting my younger daughter Doris, and her husband, Bob Anderson. And before the event actually took place, I sent a letter to Frank I don't know whether he ever received it or not. But wishing well and hoping all turned out all right, because it was very unknown and risky, a risky venture in those days. So I was very apprehensive.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=182.0,225.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Frank now you went on from your days and astronaut to heading Eastern Airlines. And now you've come back to a city that was like the city you first came to in size. You came to Sinai in 1935. And now you've settled in Las Cruces. And it's a city of what about 40,000 When you were in Tucson you were the boy next door living just a couple of blocks down from rollin Gridley and you played for Robin Gridley, on the football team. Tell me when you look back at the days, Tucson High School, were there some elements of playing football under grid that prepared you for your tremendous career as an astronaut?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=226.0,266.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I think so i There's not a day goes by that I don't thank God that that men like this influenced my career. He was a wonderful, wonderful mentor. He really was tough as nails but but excellent. And I think back that those of us that grew up in that era, and had men like grit as examples. We're very fortunate.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=267.0,290.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Alright, let's turn it around now grid. What kind of a quarterback was this friend for him before he","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=291.0,296.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: he was great, but he couldn't throw it out. or anything. He was a take charge person, let me tell you and I was lucky and happy to have him as our quarterback.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=297.0,312.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Frank, tell me, how did you decide to enter the astronaut mission has to be a difficult decision on your part.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=313.0,321.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: My dad and I started building model airplanes here in Tucson when I was a kid. And I learned to fly right over here at Gallup. And they're, I suppose that's not even here. And always now subdivision division well, and I've always wanted to fly in and the natural progression of aviation was was space. And so I was at Edwards Air Force Base, instructing in the Air Force Test Pilot School when this opportunity came, and I, I chose","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=322.0,346.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: what what kind of a feeling do you have when you say, Look, I'm going to go into something that is really the unknown. And you've got to think of family and so forth. What do you what goes through your mind in a situation like that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=347.0,359.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You think about all that, but you really make the commitment. And and then it becomes, once you've decided that everything else flows from that one decision that you decided to do it. So although there was a lot of anxiety, and when we were on the threshold, you nevertheless, I don't think anybody involved in it really, really, at the point of the mission, thought about the dangerous much.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=360.0,380.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I want to go back to the days of playing football for grid. Those were the years of what 4445 46","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=381.0,387.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yeah, 44 and 4544, and 45.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=388.0,390.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: All right. Now, grid was a tough demanding coach, as we all know, I had the pleasure as a young reporter covering grids to sign high football teams. But he also was a genius at coaching and a genius at really developing young man. And I know there's been a corny phrase that on the football field today, we develop the leaders of tomorrow, but I think in God's case, it probably is true.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=391.0,415.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I do too. I don't know of a person that played for him that doesn't think that their life was positively influenced by being a part of that team. I don't know. So,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=416.0,424.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/16","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: no, I remember grid two that you were an innovator. You had that Jackrabbit play they used to use all joba T Stein and you you did a lot of innovating and football. So you were a thinker as well. Is that giving you proper credit? Well, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=425.0,439.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/17","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: tried to thank you. Well, you know, I was fortunate to have some wonderful young men. And I think that's why I was successful in coaching.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=440.0,455.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: But grid, you had you had some definite thoughts about how young men should act on a football field. And off and off. No, no, no. Why do you live? Off? Was it just as important as","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=456.0,469.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that is? Right. Frank, you said it. And that's one of the faults of modern education, they, they think they can teach only subject matter. And forget all about the other aspects of, of training of young people. That's that's the important part. No.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=470.0,491.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So you think discipline is softer today?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=492.0,493.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I think it's very, very important.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=494.0,496.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And you think that this was what helped mold men like Frank Borman to go to such a fabulous career.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=497.0,502.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/23","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Let me say this. It was partly his parentage to his dad and mother were wonderful people. Frank lived right next door to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=503.0,513.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/24","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, we're gonna come back to that in just a moment to take a break now we'll return to those glory football days at Tucson high.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=514.0,558.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/25","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Great, I want to roll back to your great Tucson high football team of 1945. Quarterback Frank Borman in the backfield, as I recall, had a great running back leak Harry had Carl eller. Cray Morrison and your major rival was Phoenix union. And the game was supposed to be a very close game game because there was so much interest was scheduled to be played in Arizona stadium. But what happened is that Tucson quickly ran off a large lead. You began to run your substitutes in because you were never a man to run up a score on an opponent. But as I Recall you told me one time that when you pull Frank Borman, he begged you to stay in the game. What was it that frame women said to you that they do you recall?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=559.0,609.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/26","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: As I recall, he said to me, Mr. Gridley, he'd rather stay in the game, we'll run the score up to 100. And I think you'll agree that I did. And I remarked Frank, we're not going to run the score up to 100. We're sending in the B team. And when they make a touchdown, if they do, we'll send him the CTA, which we did, and I think the score ended 35 to 79th. I believe","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=610.0,642.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/27","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that's right. Break that youthful enthusiasm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=643.0,646.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/28","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: That was the way you remember,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=647.0,648.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you know, at that time, and I cannot recall the coach's name, but he was a wonderful man he had played","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=649.0,654.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that was our Robinson, wasn't it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=655.0,657.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, no, rr was a wonderful man too. But this man came from Pittsburgh. He had played at Pittsburgh, and I believe he was an All American. And Phoenix was trying to get the team that would be this. So they hired strong coaches. And but they couldn't quite crack it. We have to, to Good, fine. Players here in Tucson fine young man who represented Tucson and they they did very well. But this coach was a wonderful man after the game, he came to me and said, how, how well he thought of Tucson and the team and the fact that we didn't try to increase the score on it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=658.0,709.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Now grid, you'd be kind of laughed at. If you did that today. You're supposed to run up the score today. Well, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=710.0,715.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you know, I always had a feeling that that the fellas on the bench ought to play to they. They have to get the experience of playing him again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=716.0,727.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: You went to the University of Arizona when you came out here, Wisconsin, you got a big fat scholarship, right with","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=728.0,733.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: no, no, I didn't. Fortunately, when I was back in college in Wisconsin, I I had a scholarship but not here. And by the way, I worked for it. And those days you didn't get any money at all. You had they got you a job and you work. That's what I did and worked in the veterans hospitals right after the First World War. And so but here it was different. All right. I earned enough money in the summertime to carry me through the winter. And I was I was fortunate. I remember","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=734.0,770.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: that even when you were coaching at Tucson high you were at a store during the summertime here outside. Frank looking at Gridley as a man but also as a coach. I often thought that University of Arizona made a terrible mistake by not offering grid to head football coaching position at one time after World War Two. Had you had that feeling? Well, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=771.0,794.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: had a you know I when I went on to West Point, I wasn't good enough to play college football back there with Arnold Tucker's and Blanchard's and so on. But in the manager, the football team there and the coach was Earl Blake, and the similarities between the two are absolutely really incredible. I'm quite confident that grid would have been a superior college coach.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=795.0,816.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Red Lake was one of the all time great collegiate coaches and and I think the University of Arizona missed a terrible, terrible day when they didn't bring grid up as Head Football Coach grid. Do you regret that the university did not bring you up?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=817.0,832.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, I didn't. I had one opportunity to coach in college, which I wouldn't accept. I felt I could do a better job with young men in high school, high school age than I could in a university or college. One thing we, the alumni probably dominate and have too much to say and the athletic programs of of some schools. Witness Ohio State for example. And I had a feeling that my calling was in high school and that's where I was going to stay. 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Did you take any classes from American history? How did you fare i I did. I did pretty well. And was he good as a good student as he was a quarterback?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=893.0,903.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes, he was. As I said, he was he had wonderful parents. And of course, I knew his dad better than his mother but they live near us and 50 I used to meet with his dad in the alley. And his father was a wise person. He bought he bought Frank, an old Model T car. Perhaps you haven't heard of the No, no. Well, he did. And Frank was so busy trying to get that card on run, that he never got into any trouble.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=904.0,940.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: There's a great, great theory that we ought to make sure it's engraved on parents minds. Great deal. We'll take a break right now. We'll be back just in a bit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=941.0,988.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Break I want to have you reminisce a little bit and go back to the teammates you had at Tucson high. You had some magnificent players. Lee Kerry was just an outstanding football player Carl eller who was in the backfield has gone on to be one of the nation's most successful businessmen. I wonder if you would reminisce a little bit about your teammates of those days Well, I","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=989.0,1011.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: you know, I think the only really truly blue chip athlete on the whole team was probably lead carry grid with say that and but but the cohesiveness made it a team and the only reason I got to play very much was because in the first game and Phoenix Lee broke his wrist and and then I we got a chance to play. But the the genius of this man was his ability to take people of moderate athletic ability with few exceptions and mold them into a team I can tell you the the desire to win and the willingness to play together was enormously in inculcated in us,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1012.0,1047.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: because really didn't have a lot of big, young men.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1048.0,1051.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, no, nobody had many big people. And but we didn't really have any super athletes. People, you know, Kerry was without question,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1052.0,1058.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: but outside of the carry, if you look back, there weren't a lot who went on to great collegiate careers now. So there has to be something that really made that a great team, as you say, a lot","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1059.0,1068.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: of them, you know, had a lot of success in other fields after we've already mentioned Nellore. But there just been a lot of people that have gone on to, to success and that was a that was quite a team.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1069.0,1079.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I'm interested in having you give your views of how you look at athletics today. As you look back at the athletics of another time when when you competed in the and what it meant to you.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1080.0,1092.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, it meant everything to a young man and Tucson. And I think the qualities that you learn and that you become important you they're extremely important I have I'm ambivalent about modern day athletics at the collegiate level and and I don't have any solution. But you have the the situation where they they're very close to being semi pro, or Pro. And you wonder what if they haven't lost a lot of the value?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1093.0,1121.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Grid? You said that Frank was a very good student in class. He's now writing a book. Does this surprise you that he has the skill to sit down and compose as well?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1122.0,1134.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, no, it doesn't. He should write a book, I think is his intelligence and his understanding. merit is being an author.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1135.0,1148.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Tell us a little bit about the","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1149.0,1149.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: theme of your book was basically gonna be an autobiography. I've been fortunate enough to have three careers the Air Force NASA and Eastern and so although I'm writing it I have a helper I'm a it's a you know, your craft is not one to be practiced by amateurs. But I'm I'm enjoying it a great deal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1150.0,1168.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Will you be giving a lot of personal insight on your, your astronaut mission?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1169.0,1174.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Yes. And of course, you can believe that this man will have a place and","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1175.0,1180.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I should tell him I eat better.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1181.0,1185.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Now, listen, I understood that you also used to deliver newspapers for the newspaper that I worked for the Arizona Daily Star for many years citizen two and the citizen two and you, you put yourself in jeopardy one time by not delivering the pay But one morning to Bill Matthews the face the old editor, is that true?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1186.0,1202.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I did but only once.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1203.0,1206.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Never made a mistake again made the mistake. Now tell us about your your move to Las Cruces and what you're doing? Well, when","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1207.0,1214.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: we when Eastern Airlines was sold, I wanted to leave Miami because we had a game we couldn't win there really with the, with the unions. And I didn't want to second guess in new management. Our son had moved to Las Cruces. And so we picked up steaks after 17 years moved back. And I'm very glad we did Las Cruces today reminds me so much of Tucson in the 40s. So it's it's a very, very similar environment.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1215.0,1239.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: And are you doing anything more than right now?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1240.0,1242.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Today? I'm writing a book. I'm lecturing some and I'm involved still with on some border directorships. So I'm staying","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1243.0,1247.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: busy. And you also have become involved in the universities of New Mexico.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1248.0,1251.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: Well, I try. I'm the Board of Regents at the University of New Mexico, which I enjoy very","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1252.0,1257.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: much grid. You look back at a career of so many years of coaching, and so many young men that you have to You said you were approaching the middle 80s In the age of 84 of 84. For and you must have a flock of great memories, and also some great feelings about the young man who came through and constantly remember you Isn't that so? Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1258.0,1286.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: One of the fine compensations for having been a teacher is the fact of friendship. And I often walk into a store and either a gentleman or lady comes to me and says, Aren't you Mr. Gridley, indicate that I am and we have a conversation and she introduces me to her children or his children. And that's the way it goes. So I'm happy about the fact that I was a teacher, and especially that I coached you know, it was an unusual thing for a coach to be a classroom teacher. I'm proud of the fact that I was a classroom teacher. 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To me the the one factor that I would criticize. There's too much money involved in in sports programs nowadays, I believe.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1348.0,1370.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: So you look back then and you don't regret at all that you didn't move up the car?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1371.0,1375.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: No, I wore out several cars, transporting kids from","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1376.0,1383.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: rollin Gridley for your years of service to young people to son curdled Borman and I want to publicly thank you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1384.0,1391.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: well done. I thank you for people like you and, and Frank and Frank,","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1392.0,1396.999"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/76","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"UNKNOWN SPEAKER: I want to thank you very much for flying in from Las Cruces to make this most interesting program the astronaut and the coach. And we hope that you will be with us again next week when I witnessed the history returns. Thank you","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229#t=1397.0,1399.0"}]},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330","type":"AnnotationPage","label":{"en":["English [Transcript]"]},"items":[{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/1978/collection_resources/74369/file/160229/transcript/38330/annotation/77","type":"Annotation","motivation":"subtitling","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/038/330/original/azu_ms685-022_a.vtt?1654117058","format":"text/vtt","language":"en"},"target":"https://d9jk7wjtjpu5g.cloudfront.net/file_transcripts/associated_files/000/038/330/original/azu_ms685-022_a.vtt?1654117058"}]}]}]}