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That was Charles G., his father fought in the Revolution, and his father was already here, farming in Connecticut.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=0.13,22.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I see.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=22.01,23.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And uh he must have been the son of this uh Wedell Finney that came over after the Pilgrims or something. I have a family tree around some place, but I think I gave it to one of the kids.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=23.1,47.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I know that you wrote in a letter some place that you envied Albert Finney because he was younger and better looking and made more money. 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I don't know how many uh Finneys there are in England or anything. There's quite a few here. There's a lot in Tucson.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=64.29,77.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Well, we've got a Finney drugstore in Cape Girardeau.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=77.11,79.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/9","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah? Uh you see this book here?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=79.27,90.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/10","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=90.28,91.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/11","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: The autobiography?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=91.11,93.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=93.0,93.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/13","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: There might be a family tree tucked in that some place.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=93.23,96.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/14","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: OK. I'm going to compile myself a bibliography to see if I can't run these things down at home in the library and read 'em. [Clock ticks. Chair rocks. A car drives by.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=96.28,119.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/15","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: [Draws on pipe.] That was on my father's side, and on my mother's side I'm very vague. 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I don't think there's any records of it, 'cause no house [?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=141.25,149.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/18","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: You mean just public records?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=149.18,151.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/19","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum. But I wouldn't know where to look. I think it was in St. Louis that they met. He was born in uh Pennsylvania somewhere. But my grandfather was a civil engineer, and then my grandfather moved to Milwaukee. That was in the heyday of railroading, when they were building it, because he, my grandfather built the uh MKT Railroad from St. Louis to Texas.   I heard plenty of railroading when I was a kid. The trouble is you remember something fleetingly, and it's gone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=151.11,225.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/20","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Um-hum. Well, there was something I wanted to ask you about Circus. Uh some people wrote and inquired where you got your Hound of the Hedges, and you told 'em that you made that one up yourself. Were there any other mu- . . . uh exhibits of the Circus that you just made up that were not mythological?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=225.04,249.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/21","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No, I think they're all the real McCoy. Yeah. It wasn't Grimm that wrote that uh mythology book. Who was it? Uh . . . [Metallic sounds.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=249.24,268.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/22","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Hmm! 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I never read that. I read The House of Seven Gables.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=311.21,318.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: There was Scarlet Letter next to that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=318.04,320.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah. Very daring book for its day.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=320.12,339.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: You said your mother read aloud. Did she read aloud to you even after you were able to read yourself?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=339.14,344.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, yeah, we'd all gather around the big chair and she'd read. [Smokes.] Do mothers do that any more?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=344.18,362.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah, I do once in awhile.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=362.27,364.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah? That's . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=364.14,366.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: That . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=366.12,366.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: . . . a good part . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=366.13,366.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . was a big part of my background. 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She'd read till her voice would completely crack, and I would just sit there and bug her till she got to reading again. I'm . . . I’m sure that that experience is the most important one in a child's background as far as his future education is concerned and his appreciation for literature, because you get the sound of it; you get the . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=374.27,413.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=413.01,414.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . nice . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=414.16,419.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, it meant a lot to me. 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Huh! Hah! You . . . you've saved several of my letters, and I went back through them and read them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=435.07,446.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=446.27,447.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: And I enjoyed the one where I wrote that Bruce had brought home a note from the first grade. He had written a description of his mother. And it said, \"My mother is hysterical and mad, but [laughingly] sometimes she's not. Other times she's nice.\" \"Hysterical\" is \"histerical,\" [spells it] and \"nice\" was \"nise\" [spells it].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=447.03,475.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: You ought to take that back and show it to him, and say, \"See.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=475.13,477.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah. [Laughs.] I'm sure he'd say it hadn't changed very much. 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[Sound of something ceramic or metal?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=504.0,524.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: How has motherhood been to you? A blessing, or a . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=524.02,528.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Mixed blessing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=528.13,530.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=530.0,531.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: There are times when I wish my life away, when I'll be glad when everybody clears out. And then there are times when I realize that I depend on them a great deal for my own identity, and I will probably be lost without them. But . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=531.14,553.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=553.05,554.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . I haven't gone about it right in many ways. 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I don't like you.\" And I say, \"That's fine,\" you know. \"Come back when you do,\" but um Charles harbors grudges. I never know quite how he feels. 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And they're . . . when I compare them with other children I see that they're extraordinary, but living with them day to day I tend to forget that, and I don't see how the rest of the world is. 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I think it would break my heart . . . like you, intelligence, I guess is the most important thing to me, and I wouldn't care who my . . . whom my kids married as long as she was bright. But if they bring home dum-dums, I don't know how I'll ever manage.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=648.19,678.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: What do you think about this new system? They just live together and don't marry.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=678.2,682.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I don't think much of it. I . . . Sandy tries to justify it. 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I guess . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4309.25,4312.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4312.24,4313.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . that can keep people on their toes, but at the same time it could be an awful anxiety. [Sighs.] It's getting easier and easier to get a divorce and easier and easier on men. It used to be a . . . an intoleraber . . . intolerable burden on a man to get divorced, financially. 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I wouldn't recognize them on the street. But the day they moved in, they came over--the girl did--and I think told Marie they weren't married. So . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4343.14,4361.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: John . . . uh Adam gave us a little green string that's . . . . Is the thing on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4361.19,4366.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah. It's OK, talk. I'll turn it off. [Recorder is turned off and on again.] . . . outdoorsman. Did you do mu- . . . camping?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4366.23,4371.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, yeah, yeah. We even built a cabin in the woods. And we used to go out there. And we had a little pup tent that we used. It had a bottom, so, you know, the usual sides, and then this bottom. One time rain, rain, rain, rain, rain, and the whole tent just filled up with water about that deep, wouldn’t run out of] the bottom. We discarded it, but . . . . We used to uh . . . the best of all was along the Missouri River. So my brother'd work for awhile on the surveying gang, and there's all kinds of caves along there, little shallow things, some about the size of this room, some even smaller. And you could camp in them, build a fire outdoors towards the front, so you didn't smoke yourself out, and there were bluffs, of course, like this, and the railroad along here, and then the caves was on the edge of the bluff. And the caves made a--what do they call it up there? I don't know, it was like an arroyo coming down from the fields up above. And they'd be full of trees and things with squirrels in 'em and rabbits. You could catch fish in the Missouri, shoot the squirrels and the rabbits, climb up on top and rob the cornfields and the orchards and things. You could just live off the land.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4371.27,4471.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: That's a full meal, all right!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4471.2,4473.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, uh-huh, milk a cow and get, you know, a bucketful of milk, and [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4473.0,4478.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, then Sedalia is not far from the Missouri. [Sound of a motor.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4478.24,4481.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No. It's uh oh, I don't think it's even 40 miles. Get on the train and go up for a few cents. Get off at Rocheport, where we knew some people, and light out.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4481.12,4502.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah, that sounds like fun. That's the only reason I used to envy boys, because they could do things like that. When I was a girl, girls didn't do that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4502.17,4512.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No, wasn't proper for a girl. [Clock ticks.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4512.15,4531.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Did you get along well with your sister? You got along so well with your brothers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4531.16,4535.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, we did all right. She died last year of cancer.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4535.03,4560.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: That uh piece that you wrote with your brother about snakes in Arizona, do you know when that was printed?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4560.07,4569.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Wasn't . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4569.06,4569.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: It's like a pamphlet that . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4569.19,4572.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, no, I don't. It must have been uh . . . well, I guess it'd been after the war. No date on it or anything, is there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4572.08,4587.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Not a sign of a date.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4587.08,4589.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Was it printed at the Star?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4589.21,4591.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4591.1,4592.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Seems like there should have been a date printed on it. Oh, I guess it was in the '50s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4592.2,4607.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Was it an advantage or a disadvantage to having your brother work in there? Did he have . . . was he a superior or anything to you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4607.24,4616.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, yes.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4616.02,4616.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: In your . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4616.22,4618.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, but we uh . . . no, we never had any trouble. Um-hum. Matter of fact, people used to come around, young men, and asked me if I could intervene with my brother and get 'em a job on the Star. He did the hiring and firing then in the newsroom. And Matthews got him a commission in the uh Air Force. He was about to be drafted or something, and Matthews said, \"Nossir, you take him away from here you're going to have to give him [clock strikes one] a commission, so he went as a first lieutenant, came out as a major, went back on as managing editor. [Kitchen sounds.] That lasted oh, I don't know, 5 or 6 years, and then Matthews fired him. That Matthews was a funny individual. He'd . . . he'd adopted all these kids, or his wife had, and one of the girls they adopted was uh sort of wild, and married this good-for-nothing guy, and he got arrested for something and said, \"The only reason I married that girl was uh to get some of her old man's money.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4618.05,4715.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Hum!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4715.02,4718.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And so there was trouble there. And Fred kind of sided with the girl, and that's what made Matthews sore so he fired Fred.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4718.18,4726.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4726.14,4727.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: That was that. Then he went to work on the ra- . . .the  radio station. Things got worse and worse at home, so he finally shot himself. In the meantime, my other brother died of a brain tumor. So here I am.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4727.28,4752.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: How old was he when he shot himself? Do you know that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4752.27,4756.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, he was out of the Army. He was about 50, I think.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4756.25,4761.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: That's awfully young to die.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4761.14,4764.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, he had asthma and emphysema, and . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4764.18,4767.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Oh, that makes a . . . did he come out here for his lungs?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4767.12,4770.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4770.15,4771.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Oh, he didn't have it then.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4771.07,4772.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No, he . . . [a jet airplane flies over]. They gave him a military funeral, you know, had a firing squad and everything, and he'd been long divorced from Emma by then. She always claims she was his widow, but you're not a widow after you're divorced, are you?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4772.02,4802.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Grass widow, they call it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4802.09,4803.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  Well.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4803.24,4804.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: But that's not a genuine widow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4804.2,4806.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/122","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4806.21,4816.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/123","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I never . . . what is that significance of that, \"grass widow\"?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4816.2,4820.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/124","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4820.28,4822.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/125","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: [Laughingly] I don't know why it would be \"grass\" widow.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4822.0,4825.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/126","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: I don't know.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4825.1,4829.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/127","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Oh. [Clock ticks.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4829.12,4863.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/128","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: [Swishing sound as of clothing] well, there are good days and bad days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4863.09,4866.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/129","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4866.11,4872.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Is this thing on?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4872.03,4874.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: No, oh, yes. [Turns recorder off, then plays a little of the tape with Finney's voice.] He's trying to remember those other writers were . . . that were in that group called Opus 4.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4874.01,4891.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/132","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: There was Frakes and that long . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4891.0,4892.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/133","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Ted Knight or Escobar, what was his name? Knight, or Ted something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4892.16,4897.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/134","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Ted uh, wasn't Knight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4897.03,4900.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/135","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: D[?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4900.26,4904.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/136","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Dos Cabezas is where he . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4904.01,4905.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/137","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Where he lives.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4905.21,4906.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/138","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yes, or did. His name was . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4906.26,4912.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/139","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Ted something.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4912.07,4914.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/140","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: How did you guys happen to get together to form that . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4914.18,4917.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/141","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, that was one of Hammond's projects that uh . . . . Frakes taught drama at uh Rincon High School, and had the say over this lovely little theater [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4917.24,4938.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/142","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4938.19,4940.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/143","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=4940.05,4942.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/144","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: This other guy, he'd written a play but I don't think it was [?] or not, so now [dishes going on a table; the speech is very low. 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He was kind of attached to the [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5018.2,5041.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/153","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Was it the sort of useless project that gives way to more useless [laughingly] projects?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5041.02,5045.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/154","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: [Laughingly] Yeah. 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I remember it [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5094.17,5105.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Dick Snyder had . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5105.2,5107.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: What was that wife of his doing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5107.06,5107.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/159","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Do you know Dick Snyder? 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They've good drama in places in Missouri, but in Cape [Girardeau], all they have is the college uh dramas, and they're just abysmally bad. I . . . the one area when . . . where I am an admitted snob as in theater. I cannot tolerate bad amateur theater, and oh, it must have been a couple years ago I took the boys over and they put on a play, and we walked out after the first act. I just could not take it. 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distant voice] what was what?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5280.24,5286.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/180","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: What was the name of that one called Wolf Track, or was it Wolf Trap?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5286.29,5291.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/181","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARINE DOYLE FINNEY: “Beverly Sue”?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5291.07,5292.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/182","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5292.19,5293.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/183","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5293.29,5294.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/184","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Didn't we see a play there?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5294.27,5298.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/185","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: They always do music things.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5298.2,5301.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/186","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: They do plays too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5301.22,5303.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/187","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Do they? 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That line when he tries to get up several times, and [?]  then he says, \"In the fullness of time.\" [They laugh.] I use that all the time. I will do it in the fullness of time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5321.28,5336.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/198","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: \"In the fullness of time.\" That's the best.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5336.09,5339.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/199","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Do you miss your little grandson's trips?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5339.24,5342.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/200","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, I liked them. 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Fo]r all day it’s [?]  [Laughingly] It's so I never get any sleep. They woke me up.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5355.0,5382.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/205","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, most of the [?] [Laughter.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5382.13,5385.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/206","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: [Laughs.] She . . . . But they generally are better acting . . . 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And it said, with much mispelling, \"My mother is mad and hysterical most of the time, but at other times she's nice.” [Laughter.] Ohhh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5403.17,5447.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/208","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: You just never know what your grandsons say about you ? 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Doesn't happen very often.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5653.16,5665.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/237","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I saved rejection slips for awhile, and then I started pitching them away. 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Alfred Knopf?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5693.2,5699.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/242","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yes, Knopf, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5699.1,5701.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/243","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Uh sort of outlining what I was going to do and asking if they'd be interested in looking at a manuscript eventually. 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I don't know whether any of those was when I was corresponding with we [?] [too far from microphone]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5727.22,5751.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/247","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Weren't they the ones that have their own bookstores?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5751.09,5754.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/248","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, [?] they just [?] . . . original store.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5754.03,5757.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/249","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5757.08,5758.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/250","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And some of my friends there wanted to get a copy of The Old China Hands, and they went out to the Doubleday bookstore, and the bookstore couldn't [?] and they're the ones that published it. [FREDMAN laughs.] [?] what goes on with the book publishers these days.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5758.24,5791.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/251","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Well, I called the Manuel Center the other day to get Sandy, and uh I asked for Sandy Fredman, and the girl said, \"Wait just a minute.\" Came back and said, \"She's not here.\" So I said to Sandy, \"Why don't you go introduce yourself around if you're gonna be there accepting calls.\" [FINNEY laughs, and so does FREDMAN.] Funny thing happened to me the other day at work. I . . . we have one telephone in the . . . and it's a big room, and there's lots of desks, little cubbyholes in there. So we just . . . whoever happens to be free and gets up and answers to the phone. And I said, \"This is 307, Miss Brannan?\" I haven't been \"Miss Brannan” since 1956, and hadn't even thought of the name. I don't know what causes those [?] reversions.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5791.04,5865.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/252","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, I had one call from a guy in uh [more dish sounds] I think it was in Utah. Collect call, and he admired my book. He wanted to borrow $25 from me, [FREDMAN laughs] so I said I won't pay for the call, and I won't send you $25 [?] [FREDMAN laughs]. 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Sandy and I were going to get a loan at the bank, and we walked in together, and I said to the loan man, \"I'm June Schulman, and this is my husband Sandy Fredman.\" So then I [laughs] said, \"Maybe we'd better go out and start over again.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5887.16,5918.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/254","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: I want to listen to the news.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5918.0,5919.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/255","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Oh, sure, I'm sorry. I'm just chattering away. [Tape recorder goes off and then on again.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5919.21,5922.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/256","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: [Noise is gone, and Finney is at microphone.] There's a lot of things I should have told you, but uh it's [clock ticks; he lights a match and puffs] . . . . Are any of those pictures usable, or . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5922.07,5942.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/257","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah, I'll copy ‘em and send them right back.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5942.17,5945.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/258","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Aw, that's all right. Keep them.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5945.16,5951.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/259","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Since I got Bruce right in the house, I don't have to send them out. He can photograph them and make copies, then develop them, and I won't have to risk uh getting lost.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5951.16,5960.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/260","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, that's good. Well, seems to me you've covered everything, or we have, from earliest childhood to dotage. That ought to do it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=5960.25,5996.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/261","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Do you still have any good feelings left about Missouri at all? 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Like Arizona north of the Canyon and south of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6083.25,6090.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/273","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6090.14,6092.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/274","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: North of the Canyon in the strip country, where they still have plural wives and things. Keep quiet about it. Who was that Frenchman that said, \"Only 3 things interest me: sex, art, and religion\"? 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One that I liked very much--an American painter--was Aiken.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6143.14,6150.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/278","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6150.03,6151.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/279","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I thought his . . . his portraits were some of the finest ever done. If I could paint like anybody else, I'd like to paint like him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6151.01,6167.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/280","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And in music I was practically waised . . . raised on Wagner, 'cause my father had been to Bayreuth 4 times and heard the Wagnerian cycles and things. So we had one of those old crank-up Victrolas, you know, with the big horn? He'd buy nothing but Wagner records. I don't know, after Wagner, why, acid rock seems kind of silly. [Fredman laughs.] He was an extraordinary genius: a poet, composer, and designer. Everybody hated him. He hated them. If he had a friend, why, he'd get the friend in trouble.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6167.24,6230.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/281","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Mmm! Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6230.07,6233.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/282","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And yet, there's the music.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6233.28,6235.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/283","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Did your father speak or understand German?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6235.23,6238.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/284","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, just a few words.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6238.13,6247.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/285","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Had he gone to college, your father?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6247.27,6249.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/286","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No, he had very poor eyesight and had to drop out of school when he was in the 7th or 8th grade, I think, [Fredman makes a sympathetic noise.] But he read prodigiously. After he got his glasses, that is. He used to go to the library every afternoon after he retired, which was at a fairly early age, and uh get 2 or 3 books and bring 'em home and read 'em that evening, take 'em back the next day. And we had 2 dogs then. They'd always follow him to the library, and so of course he got uh the name of being an eccentric, which I suppose he was. And then one time we had some squirrels and ducks. And the squirrels played in the trees, and the ducks of course were in the back yard. But he'd feed 'em. [Laughingly] one time he went to the library, his 2 dogs right at his heels, and then the ducks and then a couple of squirrels. And he [Fredman laughs.] . . . he couldn't take that. He said, \"Get off of it!\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6249.25,6360.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/287","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: What did he do with his time after he retired?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6360.26,6364.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/288","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Nothing.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6364.05,6364.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/289","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Nothing?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6364.25,6366.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/290","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Nothing. He didn't exactly retire. He got fired and couldn't get back on again. See, my grandfather was president of the railroad, and when he made all kinds of enemies, all over the country. And uh because he was president, why, my father, of course was a made superintendent of one of the divisions. And since my grandfather died and couldn't pay off more old scores, why, the new management of the railroad fired my father. Nobody else would hire him, so . . . . Then he had an income of $2,000 a year, which wasn't too bad then. It was good during the Depression, 'cause nobody else had any fixed incomes. His was all right. But my mother used to nag, nag, nag, nag, nag from early morning till late at night. He didn't pay any attention. He just sat in a chair and read his books.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6366.25,6458.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/291","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: You said they were proud of . . . of you for writing Circus but not too happy about the book itself. What about other work you did. Did they read it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6458.15,6469.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/292","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Uh, yeah, what the . . . what I had produced, bu . . . before they died. Uh I don't think they cared too much for The Unholy City. I had quite a bit of family history in that. [Bird sings.] I don't think they were too impressed other than the fact that uh . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6469.08,6504.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/293","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Were they surprised that you had this talent?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6504.01,6507.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/294","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No, they . . . see, I'd always gotten very good grades in school on essays and things. So they lived in their separate worlds, and I lived in mine. Come to think of it, we had almost nothing in common.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6507.11,6533.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/295","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah, my folks and I haven't had anything to talk about for a long time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6533.02,6538.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/296","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6538.21,6539.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/297","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: There's an awful lot of sen . . . silence.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6539.19,6542.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/298","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, you get that way. And they both lived in their . . . to their 80s. 'Course he was several years older than my mother.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6542.19,6563.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/299","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I don't guess they ever considered coming out here.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6563.22,6566.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/300","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No, no, I think they were so glad to get rid of us that . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6566.17,6575.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/301","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Did they always rent? Did they never buy the house where they lived?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6575.08,6578.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/302","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6578.11,6578.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/303","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Always rented it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6578.12,6578.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/304","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Never. Always rented it. Always in debt. Always talking about the day the oil'd come in on that 80 acres in Oklahoma.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6578.12,6591.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/305","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I think . . . think sometimes it's one of the worst things that can happen to people. They have something like that to hope for, but there's . . . it keeps them . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6591.23,6599.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/306","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6599.25,6600.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/307","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . from doing something practical.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6600.0,6602.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/308","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6602.15,6603.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/309","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: And they just cling to that uh [bird sings] . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6603.06,6610.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/310","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: It's always money, money, money. If I just had a little more money, why, everything'd be all right. It isn't, but . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6610.22,6623.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/311","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: As I wrote one time, getting more money is wide as the capacity for getting rid of it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6623.28,6628.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/312","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah. [Bird sings more.] \n\nD","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6628.06,6648.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/313","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Did (what was her name?) Flora stay there in uh Sedalia?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6648.24,6655.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/314","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: What's that?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6655.01,6655.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/315","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Did Florence stay in Sedalia after she married?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6655.24,6658.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/316","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Uh no, she married and unhappily, that's what it cost [striking match for pipe]. Tthey lived unhappily, got divorced and remarried, went to uh Ohio, I think, developed cancer. So she had a miserable life.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6658.12,6680.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/317","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: So she died fairly young.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6680.07,6682.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/318","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, she was in her 40s. [Attempts to strike match.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6682.27,6703.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/319","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: You mentioned a bishop in uh [Past] the End of the Pavement that used to come and visit.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6703.01,6708.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/320","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: [Strikes match.] Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=6708.09,10308.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/321","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: What church was he, Congregationalist?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10308.02,10311.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/322","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: [Blows out match.] Episcopal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10311.03,10313.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/323","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: That's probably in there. I didn't remember.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10313.22,10316.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/324","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: High church: Episcopal.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10316.01,10320.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/325","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Why did he always come and stay with you guys?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10320.17,10324.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/326","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, he could always chisel a meal, for one thing. 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I thought he would come and spend the night.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10333.15,10335.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/328","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And if nobody would answer the door--you could see out the window and see him coming--why, he'd come up to the window and peer in to make sure that [Fredman laughs.] [?] I was surprised so many of my classmates are still there. Several of them have visited me since then in the last few years, and they have this uh 50th class reunion summer before last, I think. '74, '74 yeah. And they sent me a lot of publicity about it [airplane flies over], wanted me to come but I couldn't get awa . . . couldn't do it and didn't want to anyway, but they sent a picture of the class, you know, of 1924, as of 1974. And gee, they're all old, and so many of them are still alive. That surprised me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10335.23,10438.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/329","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Were any of them recognizable? Did you just . . . [?] ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10438.02,10440.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/330","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No, I wouldn't have known a single one, no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10440.13,10444.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/331","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I had trouble even recognizing some people in my reunion, and that was only 25 years.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10444.15,10450.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/332","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10450.25,10451.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/333","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I had to stand and look at 'em a long time before the identity was clear to me.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10451.15,10459.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/334","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: [Puffing on pipe] well, I guess you all had plenty to talk about after all that time.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10459.08,10463.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/335","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Oh, yeah, we had a lot of catching up to do. Had a real good time. Some hangers-on stayed till about 1 o'clock that morning. They never left, couldn't get rid of them. And they were so pleased with the experience they wanted to have another one in 5 years. They're not going to wait that long again.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10463.12,10484.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/336","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: [Laughs.] Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10484.25,10486.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/337","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: It was more like a family reunion than a class reunion that was uh . . . I was surprised at the amount of camaraderie that was still left. And uh . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10486.29,10504.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/338","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, I was surprised that a lot of those that I graduated with stayed on in Sedalia and go into business and made a lot of money. Some of 'em even millionaires by then. 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Did you stay in pretty close contact that way?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10583.08,10587.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/342","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, yeah, yeah, long-distance calls and things. And they saved all the letters I wrote from China. I don't know where they are now.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10587.06,10615.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/343","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: That would be a find if a person could find those.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10615.09,10619.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/344","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: They were pretty worthless.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10619.03,10620.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/345","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Oh, were they?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10620.14,10621.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/346","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, they were . . . I didn't have anything to say. Why do you say it once and you can't just . . . and uh of course Army life was just over and over and over, day by day the same thing. Nothing ever happened. [Clock strikes 10.] Where did the time go? I don't think I can crawl out early enough tomorrow morning to see you off. Uh . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10621.18,10680.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/347","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: No, that's not necessary.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10680.1,10681.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/348","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: I'll say goodbye to you tonight.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10681.05,10684.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/349","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: No. Where did you get the . . . oh, you said from the house you lived in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10684.12,10695.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/350","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10695.02,10696.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/351","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I remember now what you said about the clock.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10696.09,10698.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/352","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: It's got a date on it someplace: 1880 or so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10698.29,10702.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/353","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Was it . . . has it had to be repaired very much?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10702.03,10706.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/354","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Couple of times, yeah. Once the key broke, had to get a new key, but doesn't use any electricity.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10706.05,10716.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/355","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: No, that's [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10716.04,10716.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/356","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And keeps . . . gains about 5 minutes a week, needs winding twice a week. It's a good old clock.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10716.14,10729.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/357","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: It must be a cherry case, looks like cherry wood.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10729.27,10733.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/358","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah? Once there was somebody over here, I forget whom, but he was interested in antiques and things. Well, he said, you could polish that up, you get as much as $25 for it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10733.02,10752.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/359","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Ho, ho, ho, I bet. You could get a lot more than that. [Laughs.] Is there anything you ever wanted? I mean besides money, that money could buy, that you never had?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10752.0,10777.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/360","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Umm no.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10777.05,10785.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/361","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Like my ambition is to own another baby grand piano.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10785.27,10789.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/362","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10789.21,10792.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/363","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Nothing like that that you ever craved that you didn't have, never got?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10792.09,10796.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/364","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: No, oh, guns and things I wanted them, but when I finally got 'em, why, I didn't care or think about it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954#t=10796.29,10818.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167954/transcript/40211/annotation/365","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: You [?] . . . [simultaneously with Finney starting to speak] . . . 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[Fredman laughs.] There was one kid that always wanted to go out and go fishing with us, and so we said he could go, and he came over with his button[?] overalls on and his outdoor shoes and things, and he said, \"There's one thing I got to ask you about. My mother wants to know if you use bad words.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=0.14,24.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/2","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: [Laughs] bad words [?] [coughing]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=24.03,29.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/3","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: But Charles never does. [?] because I got really afraid [laughingly], and their mother put up with a lot, but [?] she put up with [?] comedy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=29.07,45.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/4","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Charles, when he jumped up on the stage, you know, and he hit his knee and hurt it. I was with him, taking him to [?] It may have been to the x-ray. I don't remember, but he said to me, \"Do you think that I should have gotten into trouble for saying a bad word when I hurt my knee?\" And I said, \"No.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=45.22,66.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/5","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: [Laughs] No, I don't think so.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=66.08,67.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/6","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Sometimes that's the greatest comfort on Earth . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=67.05,69.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/7","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Well, last time . . .  .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=69.18,70.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/8","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . is to be able to let it out, and I said, \"What's the matter? 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Yes, he's had enough trouble that he should not be in trouble for saying a bad word.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=3676.06,3689.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/12","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: [Coughs] I always thought that was so beautiful. 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I heard tell that he did all right when he was working on the railroad. [Laughingly] I guess he let it all out then. But he really must have had a lot of self control, because he never used them at home. [Coughs.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7382.15,7396.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/29","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Tell Charles that story about the lady, when she finally . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7396.24,7402.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/30","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Oh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7402.02,7403.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/31","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Did you tell Charles . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7403.03,7404.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/32","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: No, I didn't tell him that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7404.0,7405.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/33","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: He would like it.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7405.0,7406.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/34","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I was in a workshop for uh counseling for sexual dysfunction and the woman who was directing it said that, why she was da- . . . discussing the fact that we could not be uncomfortable with any of the related vocabulary if we intended to counsel, and that part of the training process was to get people accustomed to hearing and using [?] words. And one workshop she conducted was to older people--nurses, and so forth--who had already been working. And anyway, one came up to her afterwards and said that she was so pleased that now she could say [spells it] \"f-u-c-k.\" So the woman who was directing it said, \"Oh! [spells it] g-o-o-d.\" [Laughs.] But uh there are different schools of thought. Some of 'em think you should keep it pretty clinical and not use the common vernacular.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7406.09,7471.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/35","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: It's funny the way that works. There used to be a little kid in the neighborhood named Amy. I forget her last name, but she came over here one morning and  was playing around in that room you're in now, was on the bed bouncing around, and Marie was there ironing. And just out of a clear sky this Amy said, \"Mrs. Finney, what does 'fuck' mean?\" [Fredman laughs.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7471.24,7496.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/36","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: That Amy! She was a pain to everyone.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7496.25,7499.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/37","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Who was she? Amy __?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7499.0,7500.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/38","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Uh Bernie and Eileen's kid.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7500.22,7506.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/39","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, Donley, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7506.01,7507.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/40","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Donley, yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7507.29,7508.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/41","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7508.28,7510.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/42","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: She had a little brother and uh talk about torture! The kid'd  run home from school all the time and just race him and jump and get . . . and she had told them that he was not doing well in school, something was wrong, and uh . . . and they finally found out she had told him that one day they were all going to move and not tell him. He'd be at school and [Fredman groans.] . . . and . . . but she would write to him if he didn't tell on that she had told . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7510.17,7550.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/43","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: That was Amy who told him?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7550.05,7551.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/44","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Yeah, this is Amy, oh . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7551.05,7551.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/45","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7551.25,7552.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/46","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Oh, my lord!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7552.24,7553.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/47","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Beast in human form, [FREDMAN coughs] and the poor little kid got so nervous, and he couldn't eat. And he wouldn't go out to play with them 'cause see, they might move while at school, and he was so sad. He was only in 1st grade.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7553.16,7568.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/48","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Aww!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=7568.06,11168.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/49","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: He couldn't learn to read. He couldn't do it. He'd be kept at home sick, and he ugh!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11168.04,11174.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/50","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: How did they find out about it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11174.13,11176.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/51","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: He said, \"If I tell you, she will . . . I will never know where you are, 'cause she said . . . .\" He couldn't read anyway. But he said \"I couldn't read . . . I can't read what she said. She said she'd write to me and tell me where you had gone. But she wouldn't if I told, 'cause you didn't . . . you people didn't want me around.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11176.12,11196.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/52","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Aww!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11196.03,11198.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/53","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Who didn't want him around the baby. That was sad. I really got mad at Amy that time, because she . . . and uh . . . but she was a different little girl, wasn't she?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11198.07,11213.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/54","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah. Those Donleys were probably our best friends ever that lived along this block, and they were from New England. They were both schoolteachers and had degrees and everything, and real hoity-toity, you know, with New England accents, but they liked vodka. After they got well on with vodka, why, gave up the New England airs and spoke just like shanty Irish. The change was just w . . . wonderful. [Laughter.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11213.11,11245.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/55","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: But they were fun.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11245.04,11246.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/56","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11246.14,11247.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/57","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: One whole summer I would . . . we had those two little dogs.  Well, the dog uh Mack, you know, he would sit up and they said that when they had first moved in, and Eileen, was uh . . . the oldest daughter, was back in Alabama, and she was uh . . . they said they'd heard sort of like a knock on the door, but as they knew no one was in it came out, so they went . . . Mack was there, and he sat up like that. So they opened the door, and they let him in, and then he went . . . . Mack was terribly curious. He had never heard . . . find out what [?] and uh [?] [Fredman coughs.] Then he went to the door [?] \"Oh, let's keep him!\" ‘Cause nobody [?] said, \"He's somebody's dog, because . . . .\" But that's what it was, and then they uh . . . then they heard a knock on the door and [?] he had Snorkel with him like a [?] [Mrs. Finney and Fredman laugh]. So that's one end, and [?] Eileen play. And uh [Fredman coughs.] What's so weird, they said that every once in awhile they'd show up there, and they would come in and [?] leave and [?]. They didn't even know where those little dogs lived. So they said they'd the kids found out. And so we really got acquainted. That was uh . . . but we really got acquainted.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11247.1,11351.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/58","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: You had a very cultured dog. [Mrs. Finney laughs.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11351.02,11352.15"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/59","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11352.15,11354.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/60","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: With good taste.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11354.16,11355.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/61","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, we used to sit out in front, you know, every evening.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11355.13,11358.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/62","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: And then the dog would run off to their house to get them and bring them back. [?] and they'd come with glasses in hand. And uh we'd sit and [?]. So it was through the dogs we got acquainted. They were going to be very haughty about making friends and all of that. But then got a bit too lonely. And she wa- . . . she had . . . very grateful to them, but she wanted to get a Sheila a scholarship with [?]. Well, even with a scholarship we couldn't afford [?] 'cause she said it would be a full scholarship, but uh it was just the year Sheila graduated from high school, so it wasn't the year before, because she held up the year 'cause arrangements had not started. But uh, no, they turned out to be very nice friends.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11358.05,11410.0"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/63","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: They were. They were nice people.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11410.0,11410.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/64","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: And it was all through the dogs. They said themselves in, and they said that uh they would uh . . . that uh . . . he would say, \"They can't be anybody's dogs, because they come up here.\" But they . . . 'cause they'd only come up 2-3 nights a week. Otherwise they'd not seen them. And they . . . you know, kids they were [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11410.22,11436.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/65","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, have you seen that black cat this morning?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11436.1,11438.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/66","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Yeah, I saw it. Thought it . . . heard a catfight in the middle of the night, which I don't pay attention to, . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11438.19,11443.16"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/67","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11443.16,11443.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/68","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: But I told June, that I thought, \"[?] laying in a fur bloody mess someplace.\" And [?] You know that old people that's their problem. Like that lady that [Fredman coughs.] . . . she never heard of anybody. They couldn’t . . . they just moved in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11443.29,11465.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/69","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: [Laughs] well, geez, you know, they should just uh . . . you know, I guess she's in her early 50s.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11465.01,11471.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/70","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Oh, that's [laughingly] young!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11471.25,11473.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/71","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: She may not be much older than us. She's really a character. Oh, you know what she did! She [laughs] . . . she's . . . she should have been a man. I can see why she was divorced very shortly, but she has her motorcycle sitting in the house, and she gets on it. She goes \"RRRR\" \"RRRR\" real loud. [Finney laughs.] And [laughs] she . . . she leads these Boy Scouts. She has a Boy Scout troop. And I have never, never seen the woman in a dress! I don't think she owns one. But uh and she teaches them uh to shoot baby guns and that kind of thing. She has regular classes. They are called the Daisy Club or something. Why is it called the Daisy Club I . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11473.2,11512.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/72","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: [?] Daisy [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11512.05,11513.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/73","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: OK, all right, but anyway, she likes trains too, and we had [laughs] high feelings and danced so far in the kitch- . . . in the breakfast room, sort of off the kitchen there was a molding went around about so far down.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11513.21,11532.04"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/74","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Oh, yeah, I think [?] that molding.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11532.04,11533.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/75","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: You know what she did. She ran a little [?] railroad track around this molding around the wall. [Laughs.] And she sits at her table here, and the plug is here, see? And she's got a light that looks like a little railroad lantern. So she sits there, and so she switches on her railroad lantern, and she turns on the train, and she wears her railroad cap, and she sits there and eats. So she even rigged up a mirror on that side so she can see the train when it comes around on this side. 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Will you take off your [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11568.06,11571.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/79","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I don't think so, Marie, thank you. [Coughs.] She won't . . . she won't stop talking. [Laughs.] Last Halloween I took Danny by there to trick or treat, and I just let him out and let him go in, and I was waiting out in the truck, and the time went on and on, and on, and I was . . . I was supposed to meet Charles somewhere, so I get very concerned, and I started in the h- . . . well, I had to go up to the door. That's right. I went up to the door . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11571.12,11603.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/80","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Huh.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11603.05,11603.18"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/81","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . to call for him. [Laughingly] he got out to the truck, and he said, \"I tried several times to tell her I had to go, but I couldn't get her to shut up long enough to say anything.\"","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11603.18,11616.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/82","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: [Still distant] well, and he's just a little guy.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11616.2,11619.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/83","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah, and she took him all over the house and showed him all the changes she'd made, and . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11619.12,11625.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/84","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: If they're anything like the train, I can imagine!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11625.1,11629.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/85","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Well, she stuck a . . . a lavatory in the front bedroom, just sort of built it in the . . . on the side of the room inside, and uh oh, she's just done all kinds of things. But she's very petite and wiry, and her metabolism must burn up everything as she swallows it. She teaches P[hysical] E[ducation] at the high school.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11629.01,11655.12"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/86","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: [In another room] oh, PE teachers are [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11655.12,11655.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/87","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um-hum.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11655.29,11661.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/88","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Somebody could do a fine story on her if they could stand it long enough to be around her to find out anything.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11661.27,11668.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/89","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Yeah, [?] like that it's no wonder.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11668.23,11675.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/90","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Boy, talk about tact! She uh is an extremely amateur artist. She does things that are not very good, but she entered something in our festival--it was very Women in the Arts--and when she brought it in I was there collecting the things, and there was an artist sitting there who had entered a painting of this old mill, uh the covered bridge I was telling you about [?], and uh Mrs. Johnson looked at it, \"Ugh!\" she said, \"Anybody can do that. [Laughs.] I wouldn't do anything that stupid,\" she said, and the woman was sitting right there. [Laughs.] She's something else.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11675.03,11719.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/91","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Well, um we . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11719.26,11721.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/92","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: There were some people living behind us. He was an Air Force sergeant, had 3 boys, and uh . . . . Were they the ones that had Coony and Isabel?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11721.01,11734.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/93","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Well now, Coony and Isabel lived down the street, next to Laura.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11734.1,11739.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/94","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Oh, yeah. Coony was a little black dog, and Isabel was a wild duck that just flew into the yard one day and stayed there. And the dog would follow this duck around, and it'd come down at night in summer and Isabel the duck would bang on the door and holler, you know, like ducks do, you know, \"Quack!\" We'd have to go out and give him crackers. [Fredman laughs.] Isa- . . . Coony would sit up like this and beg at Isabel, \"Rar rar, rar, rar.\" They were the darndest pair. One time we were sitting up . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11739.13,11774.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/95","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Oh, I know it was they belonged to: the McElroys.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11774.1,11777.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/96","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY:  McElroys, yeah, and we had some friends over. And uh here came Coony and Isabel down to get their week- . . . their evening crackers. This one said, \"Gee, I thought I'd seen everything. What the hell's going on here?\" [Laughs, then Fredman laughs.]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11777.09,11798.22"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/97","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11798.22,11801.24"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/98","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, they'd go wandering around over in Broadmoor.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11801.24,11805.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/99","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: When did your dad get Snorkle and Mack?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11805.13,11808.11"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/100","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Well, we got Snorkle right after we moved in.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11808.11,11811.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/101","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: [?] Emma gave him.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11811.08,11813.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/102","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, that's right, Emma, and Mack belonged to the people next door, the uh . . . well, it doesn't matter their names, but they were dog fanciers.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11813.03,11823.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/103","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Yeah, correct.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11823.19,11824.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/104","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: And they'd always wanted a Cairn terrier, so they got [sound of dishes] little Mack. He was a real cute little thing, about that big, and he'd sit up, you know, and everything. But he took a fancy to Felice, and wouldn't go any place or anything unless Felice was along. So they said, \"Well, he's that fond of her, we'll just give him to you.\" So we got another dog. But he was the nicest dog we ever had. Snorkel would . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11824.25,11854.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/105","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: [interrupts] Keogh[?] bit Snorkel, didn't he?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11854.29,11857.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/106","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Huh?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11857.1,11857.17"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/107","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11857.17,11858.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/108","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Keogh[?] bit Snorkel.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11858.09,11859.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/109","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11859.19,11863.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/110","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: When I knew Snorkel he had uh cataracts and . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11863.1,11866.25"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/111","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, he was on the goofy side anyway. Poor ol' Snork, he was . . . . All he wanted to do was jump up on the bed . . . on the bed and sleep with you, where it was warm. They shiver all the time, you know, the dachsies, and . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11866.25,11888.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/112","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Well, Snorkel [?] dog, [?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11888.19,11891.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/113","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Um. And the people next door at that time had a cat, and there was a . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11891.27,11905.14"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/114","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"[?]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11905.14,11905.21"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/115","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: . . . perpetual feud between Snork, Mack, and that cat. And one time uh caught the cat and got Mack out there in the uh patio in the overhang and jumped on his back and was digging in that long fur that he had, you know. Snork came along and got hold of the cat's tail. So you have the Cairn with the cat on top clawing and riding and the dachshund pulling at the . . . ! [Laughter.] Of all the racket, geez! It was so senseless! Dust and . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11905.21,11968.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/116","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: What's the most research you've done on a book? Was it Old China Hands that you most had to kind of . . . ?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11968.07,11974.19"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/117","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, I think it was. I . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11974.19,11985.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/118","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I guess the story about the bishop required some too.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11985.07,11988.27"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/119","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, well the Carrillos lived next door to the uh cathedral at that time, and Art Carrillo's father used to drive Bishop Granjon around. Is this the bishop you're talking about?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=11988.27,12004.29"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/120","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12004.29,12005.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/121","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah. He had a car and the bishop didn't have one then, and so . . . never did, I don't think. 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Did you read it?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12050.25,12056.07"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/130","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: I just saw it. I haven't read it yet. I'm going to [?].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12056.07,12060.06"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/131","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: I got a letter blasting me for it and wishing me ill. Huh. 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Was it Vie . . . Wieghorst or something like that. What's his name?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12136.01,12145.23"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/145","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Could be.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12145.23,12147.05"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/146","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: Not my favorite, . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12147.05,12147.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/147","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: But uh . . . .","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12147.2,12147.2"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/148","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: . . . but he's in the Cowboy Artist Hall of Fame [National Cowboy Hall of Fame and Western Heritage Center].","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12147.2,12151.01"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/149","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Mmm.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12151.01,12151.09"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/150","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY:  Who else does that? De Grazia. He did that.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12151.09,12154.13"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/151","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah, he burned up all his paintings so he wouldn't have to pay income tax.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12154.13,12158.1"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/152","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: It may not, yeah, it may be a common practice among a lot of artists. 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I had never seen so formidable a face in my life. Oh, it was terrible. They told me that I had captured something in myself, and I wasn't too happy about that, but [coughs] I was sitting there, [laughs] and then mulling over whether I would try painting over it, or throw it away, or what. 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It looks to me like a pilgrim.\" [Laughs.] So I gave the thing to her, and it's hung very proudly uh in her house, but oh, my!","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12209.01,12222.28"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/157","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: Did you ever tell her who it actually was?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12222.28,12224.26"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/158","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: [Coughs.] Yeah, I told her, but, she, as I say, she saw it no resemblance, so it was all right that she should take it. 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I guess . . . I don't know when shops will be open tomorrow at the airport. 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Are you ready to take a break?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12309.02,12311.02"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/172","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FINNEY: Yeah.","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12311.02,12313.03"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/173","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"FREDMAN: How long would we be gone?","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12313.03,12315.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/174","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"MARIE DOYLE FINNEY: I don't . . . .\n\n[TAPE RECORDER IS SWITCHED OFF AT","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12315.08,12316.08"},{"id":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953/transcript/40212/annotation/175","type":"Annotation","motivation":"transcribing","body":{"type":"TextualBody","value":"]","format":"text/plain"},"target":"https://arizona.aviaryplatform.com/collections/2103/collection_resources/80165/file/167953#t=12316.08,1516.344"}]}]}]}